User talk:Android Mouse

Please note: If you create a message on my talk page, I will respond on my talkpage. If I create a message on your talk page I'd like for you to respond on your talk page as well. This doesn't apply to my bot however, I can't possibly monitor if people respond on their talk page to all the edits it makes. Thanks --Android Mouse 20:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Also note, since wikipedia has such a nice history feature, I do not keep an archive. After the page becomes over a certain size I will delete the oldest messages. --Android Mouse 16:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Speed Deletion

Hi, I created a page on the international artist Antoine Gaber. I had created the article by gathering information about him and getting the artist's permission before I published the article. I hope this article can be reinstated. ++++++++++

Hi, I had a speed deletion page for someone who is a author, publisher and has won a major literary prize and is in the running for the prime ministers prize. I had references to show this - so why the speedy deletion?

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Please note neither I or my bot deleted your article. If the article you are refering to had references and a clear claim to notability, then I have no idea why your article was deleted. Since I'm not an admin, there isn't much I can do to help you on this issue. You could try and ask about this at WP:AN or try and recreate the article again, making sure that the notability of the subject of the article is clearly stated. --Android Mouse 07:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, how can I prevent my page I have made on a band. all photo's are copyrigth of me and it still says speedy deletion?. what can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregoryjamesplews (talk • contribs)

First, please sign your messages on talk pages with four tildes. Second, please see the guidelines on spam to prevent your article from being deleted again. Your images are being deleted because you are probably not specifying the license you are releasing them under, or that you have permission to place them here. I although can't tell for sure because they are already deleted. Please note that neither I nor my bot nominiated your images or article for deletion, so there isn't much else I can do to help you. --Android Mouse 18:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I can't seem to find how to reply to the "speedy deletion" tag that has been placed on Rich Dickerson. It asks why is this person of any notability? Well, he won an Emmy Award, which not too many people have done. He wrote the music and theme song for the Warner Bros show What's New Scooby Doo? There hadn't been a new Scooby Doo series in thirty years and he was asked to score the show and did so for the entire three seasons the show ran. He was also the VP of Music for Icebox.com. He was resposible for bringing film and TV composer's to the web. Until Icebox, most web content was scored by whoever created the content on their casio or guitar. If that is not enough then that is fine.

What it is what it do niggas and bitches? yea someone went thru and deleted ma photo of an album cover.. whoever reported it can go get fucked in the ass and guess what... ima put tha fuckin picture up again... hahah guess what bitches... ima keep puttin it up too regardless if u delete my account ill make a new one. SUE ME BITCHES!!!

Healthways (scuba gear company)

• Healthways (scuba gear company) was one of the 5 original USA diving gear makers. As such, it is notable within the scuba diving community. And lots and lots of people scuba dive. Anthony Appleyard 12:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Interesting. Although please be aware that neither I or my bot nominiated your aritcle. --Android Mouse 18:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Minor bot related suggestion

Not a major issue, but seeing as people people sometimes complain about "automated messages" adding a little test in Android Mouse Bot 2 to avoid situations like this might be a good idea. Prople probably do not need a bot to tell them that they just tagged one of theyr own images for deletion after all ;) --Sherool (talk) 16:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I figured out the problem. The bot has, for the most part, not been issuing notifications when the creator is the same as the nominiator. This specific instance it did because of an encoding problem. When the bot found the creator the image it encoded it for use in a URL (such as replacing spaces with %20). It then preceded to find the nominator. When comparing to see if the nominator is the same as the creator it did not encode the nominator string. It was comparing "Ernst Starvo Blofeld" with "Ernst%20Starvo%20Blofeld" so thought it was two different users. This worked for the most part because many don't have spaces in their username so the encoded string was the same as the unencoded one. This is now fixed. --Android Mouse 18:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the bot should probably subst it's messages. Leaving unsubsted boilplate messages on talkpages are usualy a bad idea, talk page content should not be subject to change without notice to the user, and someone could vandalise the message to deface hundreds of talk pages at once. --Sherool (talk) 16:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Only the introduction and the ending are unsubstituted. I did this, not intentionally but because it is the only way I could have figured out how to do it. I'd like to keep the introduction and ending as a template so that if I choose to change them I don't have to change each of the 50 or so customized templates I have, changing the template automatically updates them all. Is it possible to keep it like this but have the entire message be subst'd when placed on a talk page? --Android Mouse 18:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I belive your outer tempaltes can have soewmthign like <includeonly>subst:</includeonly>{{inner tempalte}}. Look at the coding of {{prod}} which does soemthing of the sort. DES ^(talk) 21:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The templates have now been updated with that. --Android Mouse 21:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Image

Is this where I leave a message to say I accidentally put a picture of RJClutterbuck and Truncheon up - I thought I was in the Sandbox

Sorry

Cclutterbuck

No problem. You although didn't place the db-author tag correctly. You forgot to put the brackets {{}} around the tag. I fixed this for you. If you still want the image deleted there is nothing more you need to do. --Android Mouse 18:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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I am sorry for the "Commercial use of Image:Mha barton 005.jpg". I will be carefull for the next time. Regards wlv303

No need to be sorry, especially since no one has been hurt or become angered at you. --Android Mouse 20:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Bot: Redundant message at User talk:Binstig‎

User:Binstig created article Northampton soundhaus, which I promptly speedy-tagged. I duly informed the user, but soon after another editor moved the article to Northampton Soundhaus, the bot sent a redundant warning to the user. Dunno if this is a bug per se, but I thought it deserved a mention. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 00:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I think those are two seperate articles, since 'Soundhaus' is capitalized in one link but not the other. --Android Mouse 00:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes. The user got an unnecessary second warning from the bot for the same article, simply because it was moved to a (slightly) different name. Maybe it can't be helped, but I hope you get my point. --Finngall ^talk 01:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

But aren't they two seperate articles? For example Antigua and Barbuda is a seperate article than Antigua and barbuda. --Android Mouse 01:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you are saying. The second page is a redirect and not a seperate article. I was assuming the user created two articles with different captililizations with the same copy-pasted text. I can perhaps have it check for redirect articles and not issue notificiations for those, or make the search case insensitive when scanning user talk pages for the accurance of article names. --Android Mouse 01:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Muller and Caulfield Architects

I am the editor who put on the "speedy delete" tag for Muller and Caulfield Architects. I did notify the creator. However, the automatic notice, which I didn't know happened, came to my talk page User Talk:Bielle. What am I doing wrong? Bielle 03:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I see the problem. You put the speedy deletion tag on the talk page of the article, the tag is supposed to go on the article itself. Since you nominated the Talk page for deletion the bot got tripped up and notified you (as the creator the talk page) of its nomination. Normally it wouldn't notify the creator if they also nominated the article for speedy deletion themself, but I didn't think about this rare occurance of a page being created and nominated for speedy deletion all in one edit when I wrote the bot. --Android Mouse 03:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Perhaps no one else will be so silly. I may have made this mistake more than once this evening. Will the articles still be automatically transferred to the appropriate page for consideration, or must I now re-do them? Sorry about the mess. I am new to this and obviously didn't read the directions carefully enough. Bielle 04:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. In order for the Muller and Caulfield Architects article to be reviewed for speedy deletion by an admin, you need to move the tag you placed on the talk page over to the main article. As for the talk page itself, you could replace the current speedy deletion template with {{db-authora}} which also flags it for speedy deletion but tells the admins that you are the creator (and only editor) and the page and it created in mistake. --Android Mouse 04:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, on second thought you probably shouldn't put the db-authora tag on the talk page, whenever an admin comes around to look at it (and possibly delete the main article) they will figure out what is best to do. --Android Mouse 04:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

As I am not the author, it seems especially important that I do not use that tag. I wonder what else I did wrong to have you think I wrote the article? Bielle 04:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I was refering to the talk page when I suggested the db-authora tag. --Android Mouse 04:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

suggestion

Your bot seems marvelously effective, but perhaps you could avoid some hard feeling by giving it a name different from your own username that might include the word "bot", though I admit that "android" is reasonably close. (smile)DGG 05:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Do you have any ideas on a new name? I'm horrible at thinking of them. --Android Mouse 05:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re Image:Altar Selene Louvre Ma508.jpg

Recently I added information on the collection history of this Roman Antiquity photographed by User:Jastrow. I can't tell what could be wrong, that this image is about to be deleted. Perhaps the bot-owner would look into it. User:Jastrow has loaded many extremely useful photos she has taken herself to Wikipedia. --Wetman 12:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You might want to take it up with User:Strangerer, the nominator [1] --Android Mouse 15:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

CSD I2

Hello! I noticed your bot warning people about CSD I2. It is cool that it is warning editors of impending deletions. Most of my markings for CSD I2 are for empty image description pages for Commons-hosted images and don't usually need a warning. Now people are starting to worry that I want their images deleted and that's not the case at all! What do you think I should do about this? I am also in the #wikipedia IRC channel. Thanks! --Strangerer (Talk) 13:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• Oh, heh, I just noticed Wetman's comment above about my speedy deletion request. In that case, I copied the information to the Commons so that it could be used on other projects because the information was not specific to this project. Then I deleted the information here and requested CSD I2. The information still shows up on the page, but it is on the Commons instead of on Wikipedia. I worry that I will spend increasing amounts of time explaining that the actual image isn't about to be deleted. On the other hand, users may want to be notified if it is the other CSD I2 case where the image is missing or corrupt. Therefore, I'm checking to see what you think. --Strangerer (Talk) 13:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't know, what do you think would be best to do? Would it be better to not issue notifications at all for the db-i2 tag? Or do you think modifying the template to be more descriptive would be better? If so do you have any idea how I could best modify it to avoid further confusion? --Android Mouse 16:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I have been thinking about creating a new template because users worry about this anyway if they notice it on their watchlist whether or not they have been warned about it. I suppose the best solution for now is to not warn users about it, at least until a new template is put into effect (unless the bot is smart enough to notice if an image is a Commons page or not). Thanks. :) --Strangerer (Talk) 22:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
      • It will no longer warn for the CSD I2 template, for the time being. --Android Mouse 23:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

LGBT animals

LGBT animals is not nonsense. Deleting it is a form of homophobia. Please reconsider putting it back. Thank you. I appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tawniz (talk • contribs)

According to the message my bot left you, it was nominated for speedy deletion by User:Jaksmata. I didn't delete it either. --Android Mouse 16:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense of Sin bin

Your bot left me a message, I believe erroneously. I've elaborated at User talk:Jnestorius#Nonsense of Sin bin rather than here, because I've also notified another user who may be interested. Regards, jnestorius^(talk) 00:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

From the looks of the discussion on your talk page, it appears the issue has been resolved with the one who nominated the article for speedy deletion. --Android Mouse 06:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

You have a bot setup to delete double redirects?

I can find wikipolicy against double redirects, but not any in favor of deleting them. Can you switch the bot the ittiest bit so it, I don't know, CORRECTS double redirects rather then deletes them? It's not that hard to avoid an infinite loop. Mathiastck 07:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

My bot doesn't delete anything, it only notifies users when the articles they created have become nominated for speedy deletion. --Android Mouse 16:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletionist

On a side note, do you consider yourself a deletionist? Mathiastck 07:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

No, neither I or my bot even have the technical capability of deleting articles. --Android Mouse 16:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Speed deleteion of User:Spanish2

Hi there, I just received notification of the planned deletion for this item. I apologise for not getting the coding and templates right, I'm a newbie and I suppose I shouldn't have been doing that kind of thing yet, because I've clearly gotten it wrong.

If you could let me know how I can go about fixing this problem and how to prevent this new userbox being deleted I would be very grateful.

As you can see, I have added this userbox to the following list: [[2]] with the intent that it be added along with the other content there.

Sorry again for any inconvenience.--TeDejoMadrid 17:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, it looks like you have created the infobox in the wrong namespace. You've created User Spanish2 in the main namespace (only encyclopedia articles go here) and one in the user space User:Spanish2 (only userpages go here). What you are looking for is to create the userbox in the template namespace, such as Template:Spanish2. Also, welcome to wikipedia! --Android Mouse 17:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying so quick. Okay, I understand now I've went wrong by not creating a template, but how should I go about fixing this problem now? I'm not entirely sure how to fix the entry, so would I be better leaving it to be deleted and creating a new template? Thanks for the welcome, too, by the way!--TeDejoMadrid 17:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Since User:Spanish2 isn't yet marked for speedy deletion, I would suggest you add the {{db-authora}} tag to it, for it to be deleted. Then recreate the userbox whever you'd like in the template namespace, such as at Template:Spanish2. --Android Mouse 17:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I've done as you said and everything seems to be okay now. You've been a great help!--TeDejoMadrid 17:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Your bot

Your bot informed me of the speedy deletion nomination for the now-non-existent page Top 400 Restaurant Chains. This is a clear malfunction, I've never edited that page. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)|HISTORY} 19:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that. But since the page is now non-existant there isn't much I can do to debug the problem. --Android Mouse 20:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Per the history, Patricknoddy did create the article on 23 July 2006. The bot was correct. -- JLaTondre 20:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

{{db-copyvio}} vs {{db-g12}}

The first template is included in the selection of your bot, but the second (a redirect to the first) is not. Errabee 23:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it will now scan for that tag also. --Android Mouse 23:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

a bit TOO speedy deletion

I added a refrence to a computer program which is an example of a related topic on code generation.

Your instructions claim to let me put a hangon tag in the page to either edit it or justify it. I felt is was relavent as other related software such as Zendcart are cited in Wiki. The idea is not to promote the product, but to put it in context of the technology set in which it exists in the world of webmastering.

nevertheless this is not my issue. My issue is that the page is GONE, DELETED, I cannot fix, or challenge the "Speedy deletion" allegations. It is less than 24 hours since this entry was made. Your speed needs to provide sufficient time to respond.

details of the acusation are below.

DbQwikSite

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on DbQwikSite, by Peterl, another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because DbQwikSite is blatant advertising for a company, product, group, service or person that would require a substantial rewrite in order to become an encyclopedia article.

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting DbQwikSite, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. This bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate DbQwikSite itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. Thanks. --Android Mouse Bot 2 04:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

That message wasn't left by me, it was left by my bot. According to the message it left you, Peterl is the one who nominated your article for speedy deletion. To quote my bot's message, "This bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion". Also, neither I or my bot have the technical capability to delete articles. All deletions are reviewed and confirmed by an admin, which wouldn't be me. --Android Mouse 07:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Curtiss P-40

User:Android Mouse Bot 3 absolutetely detstroye all the reference tags and templates on the Curtiss P-40 page (see [this diff]. While adding "trivia" tags, it removed all the < symbols from the article and replaced them with < code. It did the same thing on Northrop F-5. It is 3:30am, so I am not going to check all the edits it has done tonight. Please stop the bot until you can fix this. Thanks. - BillCJ 07:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, the bot has been stopped until I can sort the problem. I'll go ahead and look over all the edits its made so far and correct any similar problems. --Android Mouse 07:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It doesn't appear it did it to all the articles it edited for trivia tags, as F-15 Eagle, and some non-aircraft articles I glanced at, are OK. - BillCJ 07:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I think I have the issue sorted now, but I'm leaving the bot offline until I can run a few more tests tomorrow. I also went through and corrected the few remaining bot errors that you didn't get to first. Thanks again for pointing this out before it became more severe. --Android Mouse 08:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Bot problem

I was looking on the contested pages for speedy deletion - and I noticed that on one userpage your bot had put an actual tag - something was really off with the coding. Try using {{t1}} or <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> (right now your using a malformed nowiki tag).danielfolsom 15:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Now I see the problem - in the coding your using <nowiki> to write the nowiki tag - which obviously doesn't work.danielfolsom 15:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me. Can you point me to the userpage you are refering to so I can track down the specific template that has the problem? --Android Mouse 16:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

After looking through the bot's revisions, I have found the problem. This is actually the same problem as pointed out above with my other bot, it is not encoding '<' characters correctly. This problem arrises because I rewrote the replacement code for my bots last night. The problem was the replacement function I wrote returns prematurely if the replacement string is the first in the text to be replaced. For example if the text is '<abcd <' it would only replace the first less than sign and leave all the others untouched, which caused the issue you see. If you look at the problematic revisions you will find that the less than sign is always the first character of the page. This should now be fixed, unless there was more than one issue causing this problem. Sorry to anyone who my bot wrecked their talk pages. I'm going to scan through and fix any of the ones that haven't already been fixed. --Android Mouse 17:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Apligraf(R)

Hi, thanks for intimating me about the artilce. I created the article in good faith and would have no qualms if someone were to edit, modify or manipulate the article as I feel it would be of general interest for students pursuing medicine and biotechnology. However to label it as 'blatant advertising' is nothing short of ridiculous and I strongly object to the insinuation. Please do the needful to get the article back on Wikipedia. Thanks. Sriram sh 16:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Please re-read the message my bot left you. Thanks. --Android Mouse 16:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Bot 3

You might want to have it exclude Featured Articles. I think we can assume they've had a good inspection to see whether the "Trivia" section is of appropriate length or if not they should go to review. Whacking an automated tag on the article isn't helpful (I'm not convinced it is worthwhile on any article, but certainly not on an FA). Yomangani^talk 18:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted the Trivia tag from Minnesota, an FA article which survived ~240 edits while on the main page 11 May. Its Popular culture section is textual in nature, rather than a list, and it seems to smack of elitism to permit sections on highbrow culture while restricting discussions of to popular culture. Regards, Kablammo 18:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no need to be insulting. I have modified the bot to not tag pop culture sections and have also changed it to not modify featured articles. --Android Mouse 18:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I was not insulting; I'm sorry if you took it that way. (I surely was not speaking of your intent, and please accept my statement that my intent was not to insult you.) After looking at some other articles, I see the reason for the tag on popular culture sections. A section which is devoted to a list of appearances of the subject of the article "in popular culture" is an invitation to a list of trivial references. But a discussion of the popular culture of the subject of an article is a different matter entirely. I suspect it might be difficult to program a bot to recognize the distinction. In any event, thanks for the change. Kablammo 18:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, I took your message the wrong way. Maybe eventually I could have it distinguish between the two, but that will probably serve to be more difficult than expected as you pointed out. --Android Mouse 18:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, Android Mouse. Your bot tagged Lexus with a "trivia" tag. The popular culture section is separate from a trivia section (of which there is none in this GA) and notable for this article about a vehicle manufacturer, as it mentions 3 specific points relevant to an automotive make: 1) a unique concept vehicle that was produced, in partnership with a film, and shown at auto shows; 2) usage of the automotive name in specific commentary, marketing, and titles; and 3) early adopter examples cited in media. Each of these three items, discussed in 3 medium-short paragraphs, is supported by primary source materials. I have looked through WP:IPC and trivia guidelines, and this section has been judged notable by reviewers and other editors. If the bot is simply tagging this section because of its "Popular culture" title, I would question the tagging is warranted. Please advise. Enigma3542002 18:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. It will no longer tag pop culture sections. It is now restricted to the sections, "Facts", "Trivia", "Cultural References", "Miscellanea" and "Other information". It will only tag the sections if they are over 512 bytes in size. This limit can be upped if felt necessary. --Android Mouse 18:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Addition of "Trivia" template - which guideline?

Please reference which guideline you are referring to as to the placement of this so-called "trivia" information in Maine. Thanks very much.--Chrisbak 18:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:TRIVIA. Since the bot isn't good at distinguishing between relevant pop culture sections from unneeded trivia sections I have restricted to only tag articles with the headings "Facts", "Trivia", "Cultural References", "Miscellanea" and "Other information" --Android Mouse 18:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Soon after I posted here I also posted this question on the Administrators' notice board. Replies included some relevant guidelines and "essays" on trivia, but others replies seem to question the use of a bot for this purpose.--Chrisbak 21:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles), please remove "cultural references" from the list of headers you are tagging. --Arcadian 22:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

It has been removed for several hours now. "Trivia", "Facts", "Miscellanea", and "Other information" is all that it is scanning for now. --Android Mouse 22:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Please do not use illegitimate criteria to delete categories

It seems that Category:National symbols of Palestine was speedy deleted on the grounds that "is very short providing little or no context to the reader" This simply was not a legitimate reason to delete this standard category type (see Category:National symbols by nation). LukeHoC 20:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Please read the message the bot left you. Thanks. --Android Mouse 20:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia tag bot

Can you have the bot date when it dropped the tag on each article? --myselfalso 22:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand, all its edits are automatically dated in the page histories. --Android Mouse 22:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm referring to having the bot place {{|trivia|date=May 2007}} rather than just {{trivia}}, like placing a date on the {{unsourced}} tag. i.e.: --myselfalso 00:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok. All new bot edits will also contain the month and year as you suggested. The problem is, is that the trivia template doesn't print the date it was tagged. I would change it to act in the manner similar to the unsourced template but it is protected. --Android Mouse 00:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Finding trivia

I notice that some people are complaining about how the bot finds "Trivia." While I don't know exactly how your bot works, it might help to only tag such sections (except for the obvious "Trivia" and the like) that are formatted with a bulleted list and have the heading, as most legitimate sections are written in paragraph form. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 22:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The Way We Were (disambiguation)

This is a link to a museum which is run by a local authority/council and therefore is non-profit making and the only connection to myself is that I was born nearby. The Way We Were building was in existence in circa 1777 and therefore pre-dates the film of the same name from 1973. The Way We Were museum serves local and regional schools in an educational role by depicting life in 19th century Britain. The museum also holds a conservation role for the built and industrial environment in the local area. I have yet to add further information to the section on the Wigan Pier entry about the actual museum...I hope you understand. Mark.

Please be aware I didn't nominate the article, according to the bot's message User:Whstchy did. If I were you, I would make a note on the article's talk page about this and also possibly notify User:Whstchy too. --Android Mouse 00:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia tag

Do you plan on actually improving any articles yourself, or only on tagging them and expecting others to do the work? Baseball Bugs 00:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

A little of both. --Android Mouse 00:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Good. I don't want to have to do them all myself. :) Baseball Bugs 01:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

On a related topic, if you're going to tag articles containing trivia sections, could you put the tag on the top of the page, instead of in the trivia section? For one thing, it's likely to be noticed more there, and for another, it looks kind of stupid seeing a tag saying "this article contains a trivia section"—in the trivia section itself. D'oh! +ILike2BeAnonymous 05:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Some articles already have many cleanup-type tags on the top of the article. Adding another tag at the top could cause too much distraction. --Android Mouse

Trivia - Ontario

User:Android Mouse Bot 3 placed a trivia tag in Ontario, and it's in a section that doesn't look large or trivial. --Sigma 7 01:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right. This was added when the bot tagged pop culture sections, which it no longer does. --Android Mouse 01:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see any trivia in Hill v. Church of Scientology of Toronto either. AndroidCat 04:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

You're right. But I've renamed the section to 'Overview' instead of simply 'Facts'. Nice username, btw. --Android Mouse 04:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Edits to User talk:Willirennen

Hi. Nothing to do with me but I noticed four strange edits to User talk:Willirennen made by Android Mouse Bot 2 that you might want to take a look at. -- Nick 18:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. The problem was that the bot doesn't yet recognize the nowiki tags. Since the nominator used the nowiki tags and placed two brackets inside the reason given, the bot thought that this was the end of the tag and direclty placed the nowiki tags in screwing up the template it was placing. I'll add in recognizition for these tags soon. --Android Mouse 18:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

image speedy tag

I got a notice from your bot about a speedy image tag... and I wasn't sure why. Then I looked at the history and realized that I'd edited the Image: page. The problem is, the "reason" that the bot was messaging ME was not clear. If the bot messages someone because they edited a page, it should say something like "An image you edited has been..." or the like. Thanks. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

That's interesting. I'm not even sure where the bot got your username . It checks this page [3] yet there aren't no revisions appear, especially not your username. Sorry about the confusion --Android Mouse 18:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia bot

I am not sure whether is is really good idea to run an automat on what is quite problematic part of Wikipedia, at least without prior wider discussion what to do (if it happened I didn't notice).

Dealing with trivia is an unsolved problem, one way of dealing with them was to offload this information into leaf articles (see Category:In popular culture so the maintainers won't be bothered anymore). Suggesting (what the bot demands actually feels almost as a new and very strict policy) to disperse the trivia inside the main body of text could become nightmare for regular maintainers - not only they involuntarily get involved (via watchlist) in trivia edits but they won't be able to quickly recognize and ignore them (as they could if these factoids are in separate page or section).

I suggest stopping the bot, possibly reverting his actions and to start a discussion about new policy to deal with trivia. If any such policy will get institutionalized it would allow in more consistent handling of trivias and would reduce the current chaotic situation. Pavel Vozenilek 19:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The bot is only automating what would have been done manually (and what has been done manually and semi-manually for a long time without issue). It also only tags articles witha trivia section larger than 512 bytes, so it won't be tagging a two to three sentence section. If one finds the tag is unwarrented in the article, it can be removed and the bot won't ever add it back to that same article. --Android Mouse 19:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I seem to find this trivia tag redundant and excessive to WP. 'EVERY' page has 'trivia' on it, there's no reason to tag every page. --Shuki 19:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

A large trivia section denotes sloppiness. Well developed articles should have all information organized into relevant categories, not just a large 'other' (aka trivia) category. In some instances trivia sections are warranted, but only if they remain relativly small. In those extremely rare occurances the tag should obviously be removed. --Android Mouse 19:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

There is some info - call it "trivia" or "significa" or "notable notes" or whatever - that is useful and interesting, and does not fit into the "flow" of an article. That's not to say that the trivia section is always right, as some of it amounts to laziness, sometimes it can be redundant by restating stuff that's already in the article, and some of it can be split into separate smaller themed groupings, which is what I usually try to do. When pushed. :) Baseball Bugs 19:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, in some cases it is relevant and warranted. Perhaps the trivia template could be reworded slightly in order to make it seem more like a suggestion instead of sounding like 'this must be done'. --Android Mouse 19:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The concern is that someone is going to follow up with a meataxe and just chop it out without even looking at its merits. Baseball Bugs 19:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The bot is IMHO automating the counterproductive way to deal with trivia. As long as people see that trivia (and/or popular culture references) are allowed in Wikipedia they will put them in. And the worst what can happen is to sprinkle trivia inside the text. Separating them helps both readers and maintainers.

The reason why I write this is that I spotted the tag just added in Cabaret (movie) article. Yesterday I did some research for a new page related to this text and IMHO the current trivia is more less on topic and not in contradition with other sources. The article originally contained something very incorrect (and ridiculed outside) which was later rather carefuly reworded and put among trivia. Now what can happen: someone will obey the tag's comandement and will move the facoids around the text. And if he makes just a small and easy to overlook change to keep the narrative consistent he may reintroduce that mistake again and people can wonder what kind of strange modification of "Wacht on Rhein" made the song. Pavel Vozenilek 20:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Good point. As Red Green says, "If it ain't broke... you're not trying hard enough!" Baseball Bugs 20:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Your concerns could really be applied to all cleanup-type tags in some form or another. Yes, someone could mistakenly move the trivia around incorrectly, but that is all part of the process. --Android Mouse 20:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tags are usually inserted into articles which should be rewritten anyway, so there's usually not much harm done.

Some trivia may be lousy, some may not and the automated sweep could make good articles worse - what the tag suggests is seemingly simple, almost mechanical task and that's what I fear. Somehow similar situation I met: tags {{wikify}} on new articles are often handled just by adding few hyperlinks, w/o actual change of the text. Pavel Vozenilek 20:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia tagging in Wikipedia namespace

I just noticed this where it added the trivia tag to an old WP:BJAODN (diff), I don't know if it's by design or not (thought probably not) and just wanted to check if it's ok 84.67.152.236 23:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)