Talk:Barbaro family

Spelling variations include: Barbaro, Barbara, Barabari, Barbarino, Barbarella, Barbarelli, Barbarotti and many more.

"Golden Books of Venetian Nobility"

There are no such books, according to Google. I would like to see some ISBNs for a lot of the other references. The "Golden Books of Venetian Nobility" is also being used to source another, hoaxish article with no reliable sources, and therefore I have my doubts about this, as well. This article needs to be reverted a long ways back to its earliest beginnings and verifiable sources re-added. Corvus cornix 22:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, Vitus Sebastian Barbaro and Vitus Barbaro have both been deleted for failure to provide references. Corvus cornix 22:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and I've just been WP:BOLD and reverted the article to a point before User:Tiki-two and his 65.54.xxx.xxx alter-egos started messing with it. If I've removed anyone's good edits, I apologize profusely, but I think this article needs to be reconsidered in its entirety before it can move forward. Verifiable sources are needed for any further additions or emendations. Deor 00:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

• Stop at once! You do not know what you are talking about. I suggest you go to Libro d'Oro as well as Libro d'Oro della Nobilta Italiana For those that don't speak Italian, that is The Golden Book, and The Golden Book of Italian Nobility, and there is also a Golden Book of Venetian Nobiility, and There is also a Golden Book of Venetian Nobility just for the Barbaro family because it is so big and old, abd there is even a newer addition for 2007 too. Stop what you are doing at once. You do not know what you are talking about. The whole article of Barbaro family is coming from the golden book of Nobility often called the Encyclopedia of nobility for that family with all references listed. And I have even personally fact checked what is written in the book to validate it's authenticity, Corvix is wrong and unjustidied.

• Vitus Barbaro was deleted because relevant infoewas included into the Barbaro family. There was no need for a seperate article.

• The whole article is sourced as it appears in the Golden Book. vandalism by Corvix must be reverted. He is deleting without being informed.

Prove it. BTW, I didn't delete anything in this page. Corvus cornix 02:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, now I have, since I reverted the hoaxer's revandalism of this page. Corvus cornix 02:07, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The same user that is meddling with the Barbaro Family page is also relatedly creating a page on something he's calling the Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent. I have found numerous inconsistencies with that article which he attempted to explain away citing unnamed sources, or sources only he claims to have access to. He has edited my personal comments on the discussion page of that article in what appears to me to be an attempt to cover his mistakes. In the discussion page of that article he has referenced pugilism, Amelia Earhart, the Wright Brothers, and a letter by Daniel Russell to a Bro. Chase, a letter which is also cited in his article on the alleged Skull and Crescent Order as being one of their prized artifacts. The citing of this letter was the final straw for me. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when I found that letter quite amazingly and coincidentally while researching Theta Nu Epsilon on ebay, it became clear that the article on the Sacred Order of the Skull and Crescent was founded mainly, if not wholly, on this individual's fantasies. That letter can still be found on ebay by putting 200101453405, the item number into the ebay search. When I casually conronted the author of the Sacred Order of the Skull and Crescent wikipedia article with this, he initially presented a fantastic notion that perhaps the SOSC members were engaging in the ruse of selling their sacred artifacts to themselves in order to make them look worthless. When I gave the ebay item number, then he quite suddenly and conveniently recalled that oh yes, he just remembered that in his unavailable source it says they reprinted copies of this letter for their members and that this must be one of those ultra rare reprints. The buyer (obviously the author of the Skull and Crescent article) left positive feedback for it. Any dullard can tell an original hand written letter from a copy, if it were a copy negative feedback would have been left. Then upon looking into the publicly available links to items this same person purchased on the online auction site, I found many other fraternity related items as well as Amelia Erhart, Wright Brothers, and pugilism posters! Now I find the author's wikipedia alias is Tiki-Two. Well, that name is almost exactly what the ebay user who purchased this masonic letter uses!

I do not know what his motives are, but it seems he (perhaps in conjunction with associates) are building a hoax on wikipedia, possibly as members of a fraternity. It is possible that he is building a collection of items that he intends to present and cite in articles as important artifacts of secret societies. As a relative outsider to wikipedia, I don't know what course to take, and really don't have the time to find out. I mainly enjoy reading wikipedia articles, not engaging in what to me is vain online argumentation. I fully expect this individual to delite this post, but hopefully it will get through to someone at wikipedia who knows what to do. Wikipedia should not be used to further some publicity stunt or fraternity hoax.

There is no record anywhere else online of a Vitus Sebastian Barbaro that I can find. There is no record anywhere else online of The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent either.

This won't be the only place I send the above information. Hyper_individualist@yahoo.com July 5, 19:51 PST

Eveyone just stop! I am Tiki-two, and I am a Barbaro historian and have been buildingup a body of knowledge pertaining to the Barbaro family. Before everyone destroys all vaiid knowledge, please stop removing stuff untill people fully understand. That means both Corvix and Wikipedia. Everyone just chill. let me explaine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.142.114.3 (talk • contribs)

• So now both 4.142.114.3 and 65.54.98.111[1] have claimed to be User:Tiki-two. Exactly how many identities do you have, Tiki, and why don't you log on and sign your edits. Time for WP:ANI and a checkuser, methinks. Deor 03:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I would not be surprised if a great many of the IP addresses that have been editing this article are controlled by Tiki-two. But in the absence of any evidence to show this, I will WP:AGF and assume otherwise. Terraxos 03:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Why does everyone panic so easily- and it is so hard to explain with all of these edit conflicts. first, off I made it very clear that I am a Barbaro historian. And it is very clear that the source you questioned about Golden Book is just a misunderstanding Golen Book is the same thing as Libro d'Oro. Please stop destroying that article. How can you refute what even has a page on Wikipedia?

If you feel you need to flag the page untill matters are resolved than do so but don't destro it. this is a misunderstanding- there is nothing bogus going on here. I will ccontue to explain after this post

Semi-protected

Semi-protected to prevent further revert warring. Tiki-two (and related anons), the ball's in your court to produce reliable sources, but given the state of things at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pugalist Club the additional information looks like a blatant hoax. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Is not Libro d'Oro a reliable source- would you also like me to find out the ISBN numbers for all the sources on the Barbaro page- you tell me, what will make all of you guys happy. You said Golden book was bogus, then I clarified that it is the same thing as Libro d'Oro. what will make you happy to fell cinfident that the Barbaro artcle is legit- you tell me.

You go and wipe out the whole thing because of some so called bogus source, I prove that the source is not bogus and you still question it. That make sense to you. you don't even give the the chance to explane that "Tiki-one" and "Tiki-two" are society names relevant to the group like "magog" for bones. This collectoron ebay knows that One for Jr. high Priest and two was for senior high priest. big woop. you can go on ebay right now andfine people with id's as bones and magog ans all sort of S&B stuff.

This guy is into the group like I am, and I'm into it solely because the head is a Barbaro. What is so strange about that?

The guy above said the ball is in my court to provide justification. I can give you every ISBN number to the soutces on that page. but you have to give me th echance to post. I have it in my research records right now, and can do it right now if you give me the chance. This is all a misunderstanding that went wrong.

Listen, every corcern that has been listed above- I can answer and explain, but every time I start there is an edit conflict, or someone else that jumps in, now we have the guy who is supicious from the SOSC article in there too, and some other person from PC jumped in and it's all over the place. And i lost my cool initially becuase of all of this, and maybee it is simply this crappy edit conflict sysrtem that Wikipedia has that is getting everyone testi. I don't even know where to start, but first to say that there is nothing bogus going on with anything that I have done, and lets begin by restoring the great body of knowlege of Barbaro family first, becuse to me, that is more important than any stupid college society anyway. Let me big there first