Talk:Francesco Totti

I think i new picture is needed. That picture barely captures what he even looks like. And contains a second person.

Lack of NPOV ?

• "when he received his second yellow card for un-existent penalty area diving"
• "Unhappily, in the 2001/02 campaign Roma finished runners-up to Juventus"

un-existent? who are you to say? penalty is...when referee blow the whistle. isn't it? a little lack of NPOV I think. Unhappily for who? for him? for you? I don't think it's so important if it's been happily or unhappily...maybe specify for who. --necronudist 16:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Personal Info

I am going to delete the section about Totti's personal life because he is not married to elton john. --smokie81 Dec. 10/05

Sorry

I added some information about his chaildhood, personal life and additioanl information. As well as some deep information about his last season.

If i had some wrong words in spielling, please correct it for me.

It's okay, I've corrected some mistakes and you added a lot of useful info.Burning phoneix 10:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

new image

I hope you'll like the new image...

Disciplinary actions

any reason this doesn't touch on his various bans for serious foul play? i.e. stomping on chests after being tackled? FordTuffinIt 14:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)…

I would guess that it has to do with the lack of articles in English that could be used as a refrence. I've looked around but haven't found much. Perhaps someone who could read Italian could find something.....Highly Calculated 05:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales would be spinning in his grave if he read this article

Serious POV/style issues - as it is, the article reads more like fanboy writing than an encyclopedia entry. It would behoove editors who wrote this article to read: WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:PEACOCK. I don't want to be uncivil, but this article is a joke. Totti is a creative attacker or midfielder that shows perfect vision and not only is he a fantastic athlete but he is renowned for his superb technique and knowledge of the game. - seriously?

So where do we start salvaging this article? Ytny 12:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

If somebody can define, as you did, Takayuki Morimoto a young Ronaldo, then everything is possible!!! Totti is generally considered one of the best players in the world. If you don't agree, this doesn't allow you to put labels of infamity on this page. Are you an administrator or what? By the way Jimmy Wales is safe and sound... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.52.97.206 (talk • contribs)

Apples and oranges. I didn't compare Morimoto to Ronaldo; I quoted an independent and respected observer who did (and he said, as I noted, that Morimoto's size and speed made him comparable to Ronaldo, not the quality or results). Big difference. So yeah, my criticism of this article still stands.

If he is "generally considered one of the best players in the world" (which I agrew with - when did i ever say I didn't?), then how hard would it be to find a neutral, reputable observer say so? Or find some objective criteria that makes the point? Ytny 06:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

POV tags

Okay, what's it going to take to get these tags off of the top of this page? I would like for Ytny to please provide us with specific areas of the text that should be fixed or you find objectionable. It just seems that nothing is being done and if you can give me specific areas to make more neutral then I can try my best, I just want those tags to be taken off of the page at some point. -KingPenguin 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have been clearer - I tried to start the discussion above at Talk:Francesco Totti#Jimmy Wales would be spinning in his grave if he read this article. It's been a while since I went through the entire article, but the introduction definitely comes off like a fanzine, i.e. "Totti is celebrated for his powerful finish" (WP:Peacock).

Basically, any opinion or subjective claim that is unsourced, like "beautiful" and "considered to be" need to go, and the footnote "In defense of Totti, Poulsen has developed a reputation for a dirty player." is blatantly POV. Ytny 21:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've tried to make it more neutral, I'll let you judge the article now and remove the tags if you think it's fixed. -KingPenguin 00:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

What if we report that Poulsen had been recognized as a provoker? And if this line is POV, what about "Snotti"?--Kwame Nkrumah 08:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

In general, please mark exactly what you do not like. And, furthermore, do not revert blindly, you removed other uncontroversial edits. --Kwame Nkrumah 08:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Now what did I remove that was uncontroversial? All I changed was the opening paragraph, the defense of Poulsen, and changed one line that said "an impressive number [of goals] for a midfielder", nothing else. A long time ago I also removed some of the additional information because it was redundant in the article. Totti's my favorite player, I'm just trying to end this dispute. -KingPenguin 10:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I was talking to Ytny, and indented my edit accordingly (increase the indent level of one when you answer to someone, it will be clearer to whom you are answering).--Kwame Nkrumah 13:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The entire topic is buggered if you ask me. There's no a single cite or reference for any of the tidbits of information. Meanwhile the whole "in Totti's defence" regarding spitting at someone. That is not a defence, nor an excuse and is blatantly POV and should be struck from the record. A few Italians whining about how he played in a certain game does not a 'dirty' player make. Not when the same accusation could be thrown back at the notorious, whining crybaby, diving, flailing armed, mucus spitting Totti.--80.194.166.68 00:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

New Image?

Why was the Image changed? We had a recent one with him winning the Worldcup, this new pic isnt recent at all and I dont want to ever accidently look at a males crotch while there legs are open. So new image or no? Can we have a pic of him actually on the pitch? I wanted to ask before I changed it.

Because this image is copyright-verifiable and the last one was deleted because it infringed on copyright. If you're going to change the image then make sure either you took the photo or you have permission from someone who did or else it will be quickly deleted due to the high traffic that goes across this page. -KingPenguin 13:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

At least find one that has him with short-hair, he's been gone with the long hair for a while now and it isn't an accurate representation of the current-day him. -Xatticus 0:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Source for "regarded as one of the best players" statement

Providing two references (both featuring interviews with the same person, no less) doesn't negate the point-of-view. It's still point-of-view whether the words come from Pelé's mouth or someone else's. - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Ellipsis incorrect undid

Dear Ellipsis, i can't understand why you undid the edit about AS Roma's eleven consecutive matches record. AC Milan didn't win 11 timely consecutive matches: despite of precompiled timeline, one of the match was played some months later, because of World Championship for football teams. That's why nobody in Italy thinks about Milan as previous record owner: every books of records talks about 10 consecutive matches (referring to three teams, Bologna, Juventus and who knows...). I think that the right policy about this is joining to Italian point of view. In the same way, in 2006-2007 Inter beated Roma's record, growing up to 17 consecutive matches: if you look at precompiled timeline, you can note that these 17 matches are broken by Inter-Roma match. Actually, that match was played some time later then 17th match. In Italy, everyone refers to Inter as the team who won 17 consecutive match. Please, re-edit the page in accurate way.

Apart from the fact that we are talking about an alleged record which lasted only a few months before being broken by Inter, Milan's series of victories in 1989-1990 is as follows, so I do not see where you are coming from. Here we have eleven victories in a row, which Roma matched and did not beat two seasons ago.

17a GIORNATA 30 dic 1989 MARCATORI

Bari - Milan 0-1 Van Basten

18a GIORNATA 07 gen 1990 MARCATORI

Milan - Cesena 3-0 Donadoni, Tassotti, Van Basten rig.

19a GIORNATA 14 gen 1990 MARCATORI

Lazio - Milan 1-3 Amarildo (LA), Massaro, Fuser, Colombo (MI)

20a GIORNATA 17 gen 1990 MARCATORI

Milan - Atalanta 3-1 Caniggia (AT), Van Basten 3 (MI)

21a GIORNATA 21 gen 1990 MARCATORI

Udinese - Milan 0-2 Van Basten 2

22a GIORNATA 28 gen 1990 MARCATORI

Milan - Genoa 1-0 Massaro

23a GIORNATA 04 feb 1990 MARCATORI

Fiorentina - Milan 2-3 Baggio rig., Kubik (FI), Massaro, Van Basten 2 rig. (MI)

24a GIORNATA 11 feb 1990 MARCATORI

Milan - Napoli 3-0 Massaro, Maldini, Van Basten

25a GIORNATA 18 feb 1990 MARCATORI

Milan - Cremonese 2-1 Massaro, Van Basten (MI)

26a GIORNATA 25 feb 1990 MARCATORI

Roma - Milan 0-4 Tempestilli aut., Van Basten 2, Massaro

27a GIORNATA 04 mar 1990 MARCATORI

Milan - Ascoli 2-1 Stroppa, Tassotti (MI)

Ellipsis4677 09:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

You are both wrong, in the sense that in the middle of this series Milan played against Verona (final score 0-0). That match had to be played in december 1989, but Milan was in Japan for Intercontinental Cpu. So, it is wrong to say that Milan won 11 consecutive matches, because consecutive means "one after the other" (in time, and not in match index); in the same way, it is wrong to say that one of 11 matches was post-played, because Milan-Verona was out of these eleven.
Italian Football League, following the idea that consecutive means 'consecutive in time', has never said Milan won 11 matches, neither someone else in Italy did (or maybe only some Milan supporter.... :-) ). For the correctness of this encyclopedia, it is better to follow what Italian Football League tells about the record: in this case, only AS Roma arrived to 11 consecutive matches. It is true that the record lasted only few months, but this doesn't allow us to be wrong.

In 1989-1990 Milan won 7 consecutive matches. Milan-Verona (which was planned for dicember 17th 1989) was actually played after Fiorentina-Milan and before Milan-Napoli. Until 2006, the record of 10 consecutive won matches was owned by Juventus (1931-'32, trainer Carlo Carcano), Milan (1950-'51 trainer Lajos Czeizler) and Bologna (1963-'64, trainer Fulvio Bernardini). If Ellipsis can read italian, can easily see that AS Roma is the first team to win 11 consecutive matches, ad ex. searching on Google the string "record 11 vittorie consecutive". For love of correctness, this is a sentence in the article of "Repubblica" (one of the principal italian newspaper) talking about Roma - Lazio 2-0 : "La squadra di Spalletti ha quindi stabilito il nuovo record di vittorie consecutive: undici." (which means: Spalletti's team has reached the new consecutive won matches record:eleven). So, Ellipsis, you should re-edit the article in the right way. For the future, it is important that you read the facts in a objective way, accepting that if someone change the text, that is for improve it and not for vandalism. Why didn't you analize the history of the championship in depht before undoing?