Talk:Penis

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Images

I removed some pictures. I replces one picture too, but for some reason it is not displayed. Provide normal images, the like one can find in scholary books. Tamokk 11:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

About the herpes photo

Please remove that photo! It made me puke twice already! Please! Wikipedia is for getting information, not for you to lose your appetite. That photo is grossing everyone out.

This comment isn't signed, nor is it academic or appropriate in nature. It should be removed. WiiAlbanyGirl 07:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like someone removed the photo anyway. --Art8641 21:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why wasn't it in the Herpes article anyway? FiringRange 21:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Image size

Clawed, I respect your work. We disagree on the image size issue. Use preferences are most important. It is true that a person may not be able to see the detail in the image, depending on their chosen image size. Most users know they can click on an image to see the fulll image and detail. No information is lost by allowing user preferences to work. Let's talk about it please. Atom 13:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

This comment reads too much like a personals ad. I suggest you alter it to sound more professional. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Plunge (talk • contribs) 19:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia is lily white

I protest the fact that there are no pictures of black/asian/anything else penises here. Black guys have dicks too.

No shit? I've been limiting my dick sucking to only a tiny percentage of the population? I've wasted my life! Seriously though, what do you think of a montage of penises of all races/sizes etc.? I think that would probably be the best approach for any wikipedia article about a human physical feature. We should always strive to be representative of all the different variations of a given thing so that readers are aware of all the different looks of a thing that fall under a given name. I volunteer you to go out and start asking men on the street of all different races if you can photograph their penises. 69.171.60.23 19:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, it ought to be mentioned that there are size variations between races, with people living in colder areas sporting slightly smaller penises(that's you, wiki-nerd reading this).

Also, I would expect this article to be about the fact that most mammals have a penis and what is it used for, not some bs. about piercing. It's too long for chrissakes(pun not intented). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.181.74.22 (talk) 15:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

Unless you have scientific data to back up the claim that humans in northerly regions of the world have proportionately smaller penises, there's no way that will be included in the article. It's as reliable as a wive's tale. As for your problem with races not being represented equally--why don't you go to the beard article, sunburn article, and acne articles and complain of the same thing? It does no good to make a stir over something that you know is not making a political statement and that you know is a ridiculous thing to work around. We will not clutter the Penis article with more pictures of penises for the sake of representing all skin colors. We have too many issues with the images in the article as it is. --Berserk798 22:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

can a penus be removed when you have cancer in it and still urneate

Yes. It's easy to remove your penis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.171.60.23 (talk) 19:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

I agree that there are superflueous penii on the page that are specific to one species only. I feel that all species should be represented equally in a massive montage of all the penis in the world. [nods] 211.30.71.59 01:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I second the above comment! Maybe someone could make a mosaic of a penis using pictures of the many different colors of penii from every race.Carlanna 20:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think anyone who looks at this page and sees the penis pictures can tell you what a black penis looks like. It's like the penis in the picture..... only black. I could personally care less who's color penis is in the article because it doesn't matter. It's a silly thing to argue about really.XXLegendXx 04:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

If anyone wants to replace any of the images with an equivalent free content image of any race, I can see no problem with that. Just upload it to Wikimedia Commons (like those at Commons:Penis) and switch it on the page --h2g2bob 02:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This may sound dumb, but is there any reason that the picture of penises have to be in color? Quite honestly, I realy don't understand the hubub over the color. This is a non-issue. From a pratical standpoint, there is no way(or encyclopedic reason) to have a page that shows every penis of size, shape or color. There are other sites for that. --Art8641 21:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's funny that all the penis photographs are "oriented" from left to right. How Western| of us! 129.137.160.100 16:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Mass

I have removed a section from the article about the mass of the human penis. It seems trivial and adds nothing to this article or to the reader's comprehension of the penis. The removed section read:

Main article: Human penis size

An approximate method (assuming the penis is mainly blood and is an approximate cylinder) is through the use of the following equation where the mesurements are in centimeters and the result is in gramms.

$((\pi *(Radius/2\pi )^{2})^{2})*Length)*1.060$

This results in a result of 727.93861 grams for the worlds largest recorded penis and 199.394928 grams for the world average sized penis.

Do other editors feel this content is important and should be restored? WjBscribe 20:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

no 125.238.65.47 09:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed warning

The warning message added here seemed a little over the top, so I removed it. I would think that people looking up this page would probably expect it. Other pages - such as Vagina - don't have any warning. --h2g2bob 02:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Its even worse that the look-a-like template wasn't even spelt correctly.. - Boochan 07:06, 5 March 2007

growthof the penis

does the penis stop growing as man gets older our does the size of the penis can enlarge our get shorter throw a mans life i know the penis stop growing at the age of 18 but does it. Can it enlarge by losing weight our with age get shorter our any other reson... 70.161.67.204 18:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)bob.

The penis finishes growing by about age 16, give or take a couple years. Size doesn't really change after that, unless puberty was delayed (rare). There can be a slight decrease in size by old age due to a decrease in circulation, but as long as you stay in shape this should be neglible. Losing or gaining weight can change how much of the penis is visible, but it doesn't actually change the size.

Wits 13:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Size

I am sexual health advisor from the UK. I tried to add the following text to the chapter on size, but it has been removed, can someone please explain why?

"and this is often refered to as a 'grower' as opposed to a 'shower'. The penis and scrotum are part of retractable muscle of which the owner has no control over. In some men they often contract due to a variety of different eniromental issues, such as cold weather, being nervous and doing sports and is called a 'peanut'. This contraction can lead to issue around changing in open planned changing rooms especially for men during puberty. "

sailor iain 16:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The text was removed by Nandesuka (talk · contribs), citing no original research. I think there would be no problem with it, but it would be helpful to provide a source for the information. --h2g2bob 16:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem with it...!?! The mind boggles... Duke of Whitstable 22:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Most men do not have a huge Penis. When women find out that most men have penis sizes a little bigger that 5 inches they laugh. The truth is that most men have penis sizes fluctuating around 5 to 6 inches.

:Why would they laugh?CerealBabyMilk 22:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Wayyy Too Many Images

I liked the previous circumcised pictures- (erect and not) they showed a nice-looking penis that was not especially big- it was more representative of a lot of us!

I think the erection pic,the 2nd Illustration of the anatomy pic,the pierced one,and the comparison pics should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Willie512 (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia is not censored. Please do not remove longstanding photos in the article without establishing a broader consensus for doing so. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually to a certain extent I think he is right. Do we need Image:Penis corrected.jpg and Image:Uncircumcised Penis.jpg ? Likewise do we need Image:Circumsized penis w notations.jpg and Image:Circumsised penis - Flacid and Erect - High Res2.jpg Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Theresa. It's not a question of censorship -- I absolutely believe that we need good images on this article. We just don't need quite so many. They make the article appear too cluttered. Nandesuka 22:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been bold and removed some of the "duplicates". I left in the piercing picture because that's illustrative of something the other pictures don't really capture. Nandesuka 22:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I know it's not censored.My problem is that there are just 2 pics on the vagina page but on this page it's about fifty-leven pics.And instead of putting all these pics on this page you could put some of those pics on it's main articles.Willie512 22:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

My initial objection was that nearly all of the pictures had been removed at one point (all but one poor black-and-white one had been removed). I'd removed a few when I restored it. I don't have a problem with the other removals, though I suppose it could be argued that it might make sense to show a circumcised one in addition to uncircumcised. I also realize that this article frequently seems to be a target for "put-my-penis-on-Wikipedia" vanity, so 2-3 good-quality photos should be sufficient. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not porn. I think having so many images is vulgar and unneccesary. Wouldn't drawings or diagrams serve the same purpose in a more plesant way?

I'm sorry, you must have the wrong website. Wikipedia is run by a pornographer and is most definitely not a serious encyclopedia. The stated purpose of wikipedia is disseminating pornographic materials to minors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.136.204.61 (talk) 01:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Okay, the idea that nudity is vulgar is absurd. Not even the Bible agrees with this fact. The thing is NO a drawing or diagram does not suffice. Consider if you will the automotive or architectural articles on wikipedia. Do you feel that drawings or blueprints of the Sears Tower would suffice? How about a nice diagram of the automobile?? The fact is a picture shows greater detail and adds the concept of reallity. --MJHankel 18:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't always do so, and wikipedia is full of hardcore pornography, just not in this article.

Okay, seriously if you think that anything on wikipedia is Hardcore pornography, you seriously are closed minded. I have seen nothing on all of wikipedia that would legally quallify as hardcore. --MJHankel 23:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Autofellatio_2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fellatio1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Masturbation1a.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Orgasm.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Auto-fellatio.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ejaculation_Educational_Demonstration.OGG

The list goes on and on.

Why cant we just have cartoon illustrations or some strong warnings at the beginning.

I have added a pic of an example of a natural variation showing a curvature of an erect penis. The article lacked an example of this state BigBoris 18:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you just want to show us all your big penis, BigBoris? 24.62.25.90 03:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

24.62.25.90, please check the source, this is not a pic of BigBoris' penis BigBoris 08:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

In the article's history at 11:26, 12 July 2007 Nandesuka has stated "(Please get consensus for new images FIRST. Thanks.)" Does anybody have any objection to the re-insertion of the penis image edited out of the article by Nandesuka?

What exactly is it that you think that picture contributes that the other five pictures in the article don't? Nandesuka 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The article lacks pictorial examples under the "Normal variations" heading. If there are no objections I will reinsert the deleted image BigBoris 21:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you think that image contributes that the other five images don't. What, specifically, is it illustrating that isn't in the other pictures? If you can't answer this question effectively, then I object. Nandesuka 23:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The picture demonstrates an example of a natural variation as per the sub heading. The image of the variation shows a remarkable curvature to the left. BigBoris 14:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It really doesn't seem like a particularly interesting example to me, frankly. Given that the article is already quite well illustrated, and given the problems that this article has with people trying to exhibit their own pictures for prurient reasons, I do not think that adding this picture would improve the article in any way. Nandesuka 12:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Are there any other comments or concerns regarding the reinsertion of the image removed by Nandesuka ? BigBoris 21:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Nandesuka that it's unnecessary. We certainly don't need to illustrate every conceivable variation. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

How many variations should be depicted? BigBoris 05:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Modification Image

Hey, I contributed a picture to the Prince Albert piercing section (the second one down). I know it's a picture I contributed so it might seem biased to say I think it's an improvement over the one currently posted, so I would like anyone's opinion, if you disagree strongly I won't even consider editing.

Orbiterdictum 00:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what yours looks like, but I feel that it's a poor quality photo of an ampallang, which also isn't a very common genital piercing. I feel that a higher quality photo of a PA would be both more appropriate. Theygoboom13 01:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey again, I edited the picture under the genital modification area that formerly had the ampallag. I gave some warning so I hope it isn't too much of a shock, be glad to take it down and replace it if you find it still isn't in the right. thanks for the imput!

(Orbiterdictum 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

Circumcision/Genital Mutilation

These topics are of course approached on this page since they effect this organ. There are of course differing opinions on these issues. that the clitoris page clearly states that female circumcision is genital mutilation., Many types of this are equivalent, no more severe than, male circumcision, and are recognised as genital mutilation. Ethical standards can be applied regardless of gender, and if cutting off apart of a females genitals without her consent is mutilation, than so should be cutting off a part of a males without his consent. The fact the victim is male does not effect whether or not it is a ethical violation. It is not okay to say it is okay to remove a foreskin from a boy, and then say it is not okay to do this to a girl, by removing her clitoral foreskin. Mutilation is mutilation and what makes it mutilation is cutting up a part of a persons body that has no medical abnormality, to cut off a body part from a child or any other non-consenting person you ought to have a medical essentiality to treat a current and present clinically verifiable medical abnormality (disease), where there is no lesser invasive alternative and the disease condition is not minor and is life threatening or threatening of essential health, and where the amputation is necessary to treat this, and the current and present disease actually involves the body part to be amputated, is the only way an amputation of an organ or a part of an organ can be ethically justified. Thus cutting off a healthy girls clitoral hood is wrong, as is cutting off the entire clitoris, and cutting off a boys foreskin is wrong, as is cutting off his entire glans. They all destroy body parts, regardless of lesser or greater degree, regardless of whether it is boy or girl, its still unethical when it is done without the consent, to an unconsenting person including children, of the person who lives in the body. Ethics is not something which you selectively disregard based on what is convenient for your cultural views. The fact that africans see cutting off the clitoral hood as being normal does not mean that this is acceptable or ethical, and the same also applies to male circumcision. It is interesting, and a bit of an insanity, that we could not refer to it as genital mutilation on this page without some people getting upset, but it is perfectly acceptable to do the equivalent on the clitoris page. It is not conveniently not mutilation because it is done to boys, or because it is a different body part. Keep in mind, that for these african cultures, that removing part of the female genitals, such as clitoris, or only the clitoral hood (equivalent to male circumcision), is seen as normal and is not considered mutilation, it however from outside perspectives from societies where these practices are not a part of the culture, they are seen as violation of human rights, since they violate the physical integrity and self determination of a person regarding their own body. The same tends to be true of male circumcision. about this issue, on the male circumcision page and other pages dealing with the penis, since there are different sides to this issue, it would be best to have a section for for and against sides of the issue. Wikipedia documents facts but also the differing views and perceptions people have about them since this is very much a part of the subject. There is ample documentation that many men do perceive circumcision as a mutilation that was inflicted on them and as a child that violated their human right to physical integrity by permenantly destroying a body part that had no pathological or medical abnormaliities and whatsoever. [1] It is not unreasonable that these perspectives should be mentioned in a section set aside for them as they are quite relavant.

If a fully informed and consenting adult wants to circumcise themselves, as long as it is their own choice, they are may go ahead and do it. But it is wrong to force this on unconsenting persons or children. It all comes down to choice and self determination, the right of the person whose body it is to make choices on amputations of normal body parts as a fully informed and consenting adult.

Millueradfa 03:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Flaccid and Erect Comparison Image

In my opinion the flaccid and erect image could be better: 1. The flaccid stage is much closer than the erect, angle and distance of the camera are different. At a first glance it looks like only the shape changes, not the size. 2. The image quality is poor. The erect stage is even a bit distorted. Therefore, I propose another picture: Image:Human_penis_flaccid_and_erect.jpg. It is not perfect, but I think it is better than the previous image and better than other candidates: Image:Penis_flaccid_penis_erected.jpg would be another option, but it is shaved. Image:Uncircumcised_Penis.jpg also looks like there is only a minor difference in size. Image:Flaccid-erect.jpg is good but circumcised. Habbo42 22:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

tried to change it to the 2nd option you gave, but its not showing up...

I just wanted to echo my support for this poster's suggestion to use the following image: Image:Human_penis_flaccid_and_erect.jpg The pictures are of higher quality, and show the penis in its unaltered state. I think showing a penis w/out the foreskin isn't a wise thing to do. Either show flaccid & erect for penisis both with and without the foreskin, or only show the penis in its natural state. Showing only a cirucumcised penis in the flacid/erect comparison does not reflect that most of the world's (and english speaking world's) men have foreskin Thestoryofmikeb 23:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)thestoryofmikeb

Human bias

There are a lot of archives for this page and maybe this has been suggested before, but what do we think about splitting this article into "Human Penis" and a generic "Penis" article? — The Storm Surfer 05:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Image Problem

There is an error with the image in the "erection" section (Image:Penis flaccid penis erected.jpg) - the image linked to is not being rendered/shown. I don't get it - any other image shows up fine, but this one for some reason is shown only as a link. Help? Goldfritter 13:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The erection image was replaced with a new one that was listed at MediaWiki:Bad image list without exceptions. I added an exception for this article, so this should be fixed now. Prolog 14:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

What if the erectile penis points stiffly verticaly upwards from which direction it can be moved by just a small angle, so that it can have a horizontal direction or even one near it? How can it be corrected?

Porn

Is the pictures in the article Porn ? --Rebeccarulz123 15:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 20:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes they are — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.204.61 (talk • contribs) 16:55, June 11, 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, no. -- Satori Son 03:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, no. FiringRange 21:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, sort of. You don't see that stuff in wikipedia's arch nemesis Encyclopaedia Britannica. What's wrong with an anatomical chart? I don't want to see that stuff.

Normal Variations

I would like someone to provide a citation for the statement "penis of average size can withdraw almost completely within the body". I find that statement completely unbelievable. 207.69.137.23 04:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Editing

{{editprotected}} I wanted to ad a little more information to the penis page.

{{editprotected}} I want to add a picture to the artic

This page is semiprotected; any username more than a few days old can edit it. There is no need for administrator assistance to edit this page. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Obscene photo

In the United States a turgid penis is considered obscene and should be removed to comply with the law. Morthanley 01:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Source please? The following 1973 case, Miller v. California defines an obscene work as:

1. That the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest; AND
2. That the work depicts or describes in a patently offensive way, as measured by contemporary community standards, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable law; AND
3. That a reasonable person would find that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political and scientific value.

Under this definition, a turgid penis is not obscene in the context of an encyclopedia article, since the article as a whole clearly does not appeal to prurient interest, nor does it lack any scientific value. Perhaps you have another judicial ruling? Silly rabbit 16:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yet another image suggestion

File:Male genitalia reworked.jpg

We could put the image in an infobox with a list of the various anatomical parts. (These are listed on the image page.) This seems a bit more informative than some of the other photos here. Silly rabbit 22:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Developmental disorders of the penis -- Does not belong in this page

Not only is the small section on developmental disorders very incomplete, it does not relate strongly enough to the main article which is not about developmental disorders but the penis. This section if expanded would be much better suited in a new article. Also, the very unattractive picture associated with the micropenis is inappropriate to show in this article for reasons above.

Penis image

I think we should replace image of circumcised penis as most men have uncirmucised penis. Circumcised penis is not natural. That is very weird as we don't have any images of natural penis here. You can show circumcised penis here. --Zzzzzzzzzz 18:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)