Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Ryulong

Outside view

Regarding the comment that Ryulong just needs to be remided to avoid the heavy trigger, I think that most of the diff's provided in the introductory discussion are exactly that - reminders to be civil, and thoughtful. When bored I read the various admin notice boards and Ryulong is up there with someone complaining that he jumped the gun, was uncivil, full of personal attacks, high handed, and rude that I recognize the name without any sort of involvement with this user. Now, undoubtedly the bulk of this is whinning by those who needed to be blocked, but enough of it seems to be simple arrogant rudeness that a simple reminder is not enough. --Rocksanddirt 21:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment to Ryulong re. Xterra1's block history

Have to say, Xterra1's block log speaks volumes. He was blocked, as you say, mistakenly. Fair enough, I guess. But you were decidedly grudging about an apology afterwards (and in fairness, he must have been pissed at what happened) and when he was unblocked by someone else, you re-blocked him less than a day later for 'harassment'. Now, it may not have been the case, but the perception this projects is that you indef'd him first, he was unblock and then hours later, you were to re-indef him in what looks a whole lot like a fit of pique. Like you wanted to get him anyway. I'm sure this wasn't the case, but .... this may be how it has been perceived. He was unblocked minutes later by another admin as a "ridiculous block" which, in honesty, it was. I was ready to unblock, too, only someone else got in before me. - Alison ☺ 03:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

His second block was because he was actively harassing me for an apology (I would have just preferred that I never come in contact with Xterra1, again). After I initially blocked him, I realized that he was not who I thought he was, and simply said to myself "If he requests an unblock, I would not fight it" and the simple parting of ways. I agree that my second block was out of line, and I should not have done it, and I apologized to him for having blocked him.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Had you apologised in the first place for your mistaken block, this wouldn't have happened. The guy felt hurt, as if an injustice had been done to him (because it had). That's the cue to apologise unreservedly for blocking him, and then moving on. We all make mistakes & none of us are perfect. I've had to apologise, too; it's part of the job. Instead, you kept turning your back on him, and this made him more annoyed. It also made you look seriously arrogant and above the law. Once again, this is just the perception but can you see my point here? - Alison ☺ 04:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

"I realized that he was not who I thought he was" - around about there, you should have immediately unblocked him rather than waiting for him to either request it or leave in disgust. It's that simple. If you make an error like that, and realise it, the thing to do is not to walk away from it but to correct the wrong - Alison ☺ 07:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I was still not very sure at the time, but yes, I should have immediately unblocked in that case.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Ryan Postlewaite's comment

A note, Ryan Postlewaite made a point of emphasizing that 4 warnings are required before blocking. This is most certainly incorrect, is there an alternative interpretation of what he wrote that I'm missing? - CHAIRBOY (☎) 23:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chairboy, that's exactly what I meant. A problem here is that some users believe disruptive users must be given the four warnings before an admin can block them - this is completely untrue, and Ryulong often blocks without the 4 warnings being given when a user is clearly up to no good. I was being a little sarcastic. Ryan Postlethwaite 23:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Limitations of the medium mean sarcasm is often poorly communicated. You may want to re-read your statement on the RfC with this in mind. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 01:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

General question

I notice a few users have endorsed multiple summaries on this page. Is that okay to do? Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Yes. Mackensen (talk) 00:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Okay, thanks for the reply. There are certain aspects of Wikipedia that I'm still learning. :) Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 01:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)