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Selected reverts

by Benimerin/Joanot/84.120.254.73

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]

by Casaforra

[8], [9]

by Dúnadan

[10], [11]

Nature of the Valencian language

• Physchim62 replaces one-sentence paragraph with "Languages" section in which the issues are explained at greater length [12]
• Casaforra reinserts one-sentence paragraph in lead section, and removes the information that Valencian and Catalan are mutually comprehensible [13]

Selected reverts

by Benimerin/Joanot/84.120.254.73

[14]

by Dúnadan

[15]

Legal status of Catalonia

Selected reverts by Dúnadan

[16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21]

Abuse of power

All times are UTC (unless I've screwed up somewhere, which is always possible, in which case some of them may be UTC+1).

• 20:49 27 June last of a series of messages at User talk:Physchim62 by Onofre Bouvila (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• 16:02 28 June Physchim62 blocks Onofre Bouvila indefinitely for serious and repeated personal attacks
• 09:10 29 June 84.120.254.73 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) begins editing
• 05:03 30 June unblock request from Onofre Bouvila rejected by Mr.Z-Man
• 13:38 01 July second unblock request from Onofre Bouvila rejected by Tariqabjotu
• autoblock #553625 lifted on IP of Onofre Bouvila
• 17:05 05 July Maurice27 complains at User talk:Physchim62 about edit-warring by 84.120.254.73
  • 10:57 06 July Maurice27 provides further details
  • 14:45 06 July reply by Physchim62
• 10:12 06 July 84.120.254.73 (signing as Benimerin) responds to a comment by Mountolive at User talk:Physchim62 to complaints: how would a new user know where to find me?
• 10:26 06 July Benimerin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) begins editing
• 12:10 06 July Benimerin responds at User talk:Physchim62, accusing Maurice27 of lying
• 16:02 06 July Physchim62 blocks Benimerin as a suspected sock-puppet of Onofre Bouvila. No additional block issued to 84.120.254.73, as it is assumed that this IP is autoblocked.
• 22:31 06 July Dúnadan queries block of Benimerin at User talk:Physchim62
  • 17:37 07 July reply by Physchim62
• 17:50 07 July second query by Dúnadan at User talk:Physchim62
  • 17:54 07 July reply by Physchim62 with quote from WP:SOCK
• 18:11 07 July third query by Dúnadan at User talk:Physchim62
  • 15:38 08 July reply by Physchim62 with detailed rationale behind belief that Benimerin was a sock of Onofre Bouvila
• 22:10 07 July Benimerin posts comment at User talk:Benimerin
  • 15:53 08 July Physchim62 adds {{unblock}} to Benimerin's comment at User talk:Benimerin
• 17:36 08 July Physchim62 reports unblock request to Dúnadan, pointing out that the matter is under review
  • 20:39 08 July Dúnadan posts again at User talk:Physchim62, dispite the fact that Physchim62 is no longer directly involved in the block review
• 18:07 08 July Physchim62 requests CheckUser to clarify the lifting of the autoblocks
• autoblock #560465 lifted on IP of Benimerin
• 23:20 08 July 84.120.254.73 posts at User talk:Physchim62 to say that he didn't wish to be unblocked: request for non-unblocking ignored by Physchim62 (!)
• 12:58 09 July Physchim62 blocks 84.120.254.73 as suspected sock-puppet of Onofre Bouvila
• 13:13 09 July Dúnadan posts yet again at User talk:Physchim62
  • 13:29 09 July a somewhat exasperated Physchim62 replies
• 17:28 09 July Physchim62 requests this arbitration
• 00:10 10 July last post by Dúnadan at User talk:Physchim62 concerning block of Benimerin
  • 06:44 10 July CheckUser is returned as "unlikely"
  • 11:26 10 July: Physchim62 lifts blocks on Benimerin and 84.120.254.73 in response to CheckUser result
• 21:44 10 July Benimerin edits User:Joanot to indicate that they are one and the same person

A number of questions remain from all this:

1. Why did Benimerin not identify himself earlier as Joanot? (which would have saved a lot of hassle for all concerned)
2. Why were the autoblocks on Onofre Bouvila and Benimerin lifted? (both appear to edit from fixed IPs)
3. Why was Dúnadan so concerned about the blocking of Benimerin?

Looking a little more closely at the last of these questions, I noticed a number of coincidences in the contributions histories of Onofre Bouvila (talk · contribs) and Dúnadan (talk · contribs): nothing conclusive, but enough to merit a request for CheckUser (with a suitably cautious request motive). The CheckUser came back negative, but my mere request is seen by some as evidence that I am part of an evil plot. This after having been criticised for not requesting a CheckUser earlier for Benimerin (impossible at the time under CheckUser policy).

I conclude that Benimerin/Joanot, Casaforra and Dúnadan (as well as some "uninvolved" commentators to this case) can only be satisfied with my admin actions if these are used to further their point of view. Not only are they uninterested in disinterested administration, but they will actively try to hinder it. I consider this to be a case of extremely bad faith on their part. Physchim62 (talk) 13:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppetry

As is to be expected by their nature, Valencian Community and Catalonia attract a relatively large number of anonymous editors. Some of these editors appear to be particularly well acquainted with the various disputes and with Wikipedia editing in general. Of course, it is only human to forget to log in in the rush to get to one's favorite article... but when such users also contribute to edit-warring or appear to add "independent" support in a dispute, the situation becomes less glorious. Four IPs on which I keep an eye are:

• 84.120.252.39 (talk · contribs) [22], [23], [24]
• 81.45.243.248 (talk · contribs) [25]
• 62.14.150.205 (talk · contribs) [26]

Physchim62 (talk) 13:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Translations and sources

As the habitual contributors on Talk:Valencian Community all speak (or at least understand) Catalan-Valencian, I didn't bother to translate these citations at the time. For the benefit of those who are less proficient in Valencian, I provide the English translations here.

The citation from Pompeu Fabra: [27]

"We, Catalans, wish for nothing more than that you undertake a purification of your language, and we are in no way concerned that you tie yourselves to our Catalan; you should work to decastilianise Valencian, and to stand it up straight and to enrich it by tying it to the Valencian of your great medieval writers."

The citation from Antoni Casals: [28] (as best as I can do: it dates from 1395 and my medieval Valencian isn't wonderful!)

"[...] taken from the Latin into our vulgar maternal Valencian as well as I could seeing that others have taken it into the Catalan language but in a way that seems pretty ugly and almost meaningless [...]"

The two citations from the Dictamen of the AVL: [29]

From paragraph 1 [of the Dictamen]:

"Within this set of dialects, Valencian has the same hierarchy and dignity as any other local form of the language system, and shows certain of its own characteristics which the AVL will preserve and develop..."

From paragraph 6 [of the Dictamen]:

"It is a fact that in Spain there are two equally legitimate names to designate this language, that of Valencian [...] and that of Catalan [...] accepted by Spanish Law and jurisprudence. The existence of these two names can create confusion as to the coherence of the language in certain contexts, especially outside the shared linguistic area. For this reason, the AVL considers it necessary that the involved autonomous governments, in collaboration with the Spanish govenment, adopt the pertinent measures (approval of of sincretic or similar formulae, for example) in order that [...] the dual nomenclature of our language is harmonized with its projection as a cohesive and unfragmented entity. These formulae will have to be introduced in academic circles as well as in other types of situation. In this way, the legitimate presence of the term "Valencian" will be able to be guaranteed outside of our Community, and the linguistic reality can be reconciled with the realities of the Law and of Valencian society."

Of course, the role of the arbitration is not to determine an illusary "Truth"—we have WikiTruth for that ;)—but I hope that arbitrators will consider the parties' attitudes to verifiable sources. The Dictamen of the AVL has been cited by both myself and Dúnadan, so it may be considered that we agree that it is valid and verifiable. The citations from Fabra and Casals may be found in Annex 3 to the Dictamen, although I verified the citation from Fabra against a copy in the Capellades Municipal Library.

The Dictamen, a formal position statement issued on 9 February 2005 by the Acadèmia Valenciana de la Llengua, the body legally responsible for linguistic matters in the Valencian Community, also offers a source for the fact that the nature of the Valencian language is socially contentious "in this territory".

From the third paragraph of the preamble:

"Com és sabut, un sector de la societat valenciana considera que l’idioma propi dels valencians coincidix amb la llengua que es parla en altres territoris de l’antiga Corona d’Aragó, mentres que un altre sector considera que és una llengua different."

"As is known, a sector of Valencian society considers that the language of the Valencians coincides with the language which is spoken in other territories of the former Crown of Aragon, whereas another sector considers that it [Valencian] is a different language."

From the closing paragraph of the Dictamen: (emphasis in original)

"Així mateix, l’AVL fa una crida a tots els parlants del nostre idioma perquè, amb la màxima generositat i flexibilitat, cooperen en la solució del denominat conflicte lingüístic valencià amb sentit comú i visió de futur."

"And so, the AVL calls on all speakers of our language to cooperate, and with the greatest generosity and flexibility, in the solution of the so-called Valencian linguistic conflict with common sense and a vision of the future."

Physchim62 (talk) 13:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)