Talk:Relapse (Eminem album)

Kanye West

Who said Kanye was gonna be on the album? please confirm it. volumesoxxs 11:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No way Kanyes on it he could produce but no way is he rappin on eminems albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

Name

Ca$his confirmed the album on skee.tv.http://youtube.com/watch?v=T6B0_ESdL9A

Already this hasnt even be confirmed. 64.53.200.216 08:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ca$his confirmed it and it already has it's own promo site. TahoeLTz71 20:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

So... the album is actually going to be called "King Mathers"? -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 15:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

What an awful choice of name lol...! Football 7 16:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

aint the greatest of names i would have prefered something like Standing Ovation, that would have been wicked :P

I was actually expecting something show-related, like his other albums, but, hey, King Mathers is cool too. -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 01:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Its just a rumor hope this aint the name for real it sucks he needs to go back to his old flow fuck that southern shit hes doin with t.i.

The name of the album is currently King Mathers. The website for the album is www.kingmathers.com/ There are some talented people with Photoshop, but none that would register the KingMathers.com domain and one that would mimic Eminem's trademark look. If you doubt the authenticity of the site, then bookmark it and check it around October and November.

Impala63 22:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Eminem's publicist just confirmed that the kingmathers.com website is fake.[1]

Cover

i don't think that image is the album cover, but probabily it's just an ad image. it should be removed.

I saw it on a forum, it's not a cover the user who made this alsocreated a fake track list and stuff, bad image lol.

Targets on the Album

someone should remove the kyle spratt and the mariah carey thing because I couldn't find anything confirmed by anyone so I don't think it belongs in the article.

In a recent issue of OK! Magazine, (the one with Jen Anniston on the cover) there is a (gay-ass anti-Em) article that confirms he disses Mariah. And he should. She's such a fucking whore.- Blade

Cool, thanks for adding the sources. volumesoxxs 10:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Why the hell would he wast time dissin spratt? Hope he doesnt waste too much on Mariah either except a few lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.226.58 (talk • contribs)

Album Theme

Any idea whether the album will be Marshall Mathers angry, or Slim Shady funny? Slim Shady has been in rest for far too long. -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 02:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking we'll see Shady quite a bit here. I hope. Shady's one evil bastard, but 99.9% of what he says is true. I like the Marshall raps, too, though. I'm hoping for an album overall more like The Marshall Mathers LP and less like Encore. NO Puke, My First Single, or Ass Like That. And for gods sakes, does anyone else feel that the skits need to just die a horrible death already. That Em calls Paul skit is the worst thing I've ever heard.

P.S. I'm the guy who reported the source for the Mariah Carey thing.- Blade

I would like to see another The Eminem Show. didnt like his first releases though... Encore was pretty shit..I hope there's no songs like what you referred... ^^^ these annoying skits needs to go and die down somewhere... No one listens to them when they listen to the album, they just skip it. we want it like Hip Hop Is Dead no intro no outro no skits. just normal music... Football97 15:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a good thing that you know what everyone listens to and what they dont listen to on an album then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.142.7.6 (talk • contribs)

The album will be sick if Jay-Z is on it. Most likely D12 will be on the album. I hope EM does a track with Nate Dogg and a track with Dre. I also hope that Dre produces most of the album.

TahoeLTZ71 00:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Album will be sick anyways if he goes back to his old days i heard he was gonna have mc juice on it. i actually thinks the skits werent bad apart from encore. album will be great hope most of it is solo shit just please no akon!

"Tentative Tracklist"

01. Public Service Announcement 3001
02. So Sorry (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Dawaun Parker)
03. Still Shady (Produced by: Dr. Dre)
04. Take My Spot feat. Jay-Z & Dr. Dre (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Dawaun Parker)
05. That’s Life feat. Akon (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Akon)
06. Jimmy Iovine (Skit)
07. Let Me Go (Produced by: Dr. Dre)
08. Things Ain’t The Same (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Hi-Tek)
09. Broken Promises (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
10. King Mathers feat. Ca$his (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
11. Follow Me feat. 50 Cent (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker)
12. Can’t Trust Nobody feat. Nate Dogg (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: Focus)
13. Paul (Skit)
14. Withdrawl Syndrome (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
15. Staring At The Wall (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Jeff Bass)
16. As A Man feat. T.I. (Produced by: Eminem, Co-Produced by: Luis Resto)
17. When It Rains feat. Mary J. Blige (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Dawaun Parker)
18. I Love It feat. Obie Trice & Ca$his (Produced by: Dr. Dre)
19. What You Came For (Produced by: Dr. Dre & Focus)
20. Never Gave A Fuck (Produced by: Dr. Dre, Co-Produced by: J.R. Rotem)

I'm just commenting on the "Tentative Tracklist" that someone else posted.

Hmm interesting, I could do without the lame comments on each one. I think whole section in the King Mathers talk page should be removed. volumesoxxs 11:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

^^^ You forgot to remove some of the lame comments.

Tracklist

Where are all these "rumored" tracklists coming from? Can someone tell me? I'm going to delete it for now, but if you can provide a source, it can get added back.

JpGrB 01:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Gah

He’s back! After being away for three years Eminem is planning to make a comeback with King Mathers, his fifth solo effort in eight years. The album is currently slated for an October release, with it’s first single “Still Shady” hitting the air waves as early as mid-August. Two clips are scheduled to be shot in Los Angeles starting July 23rd, the first being “Still Shady” a track featuring a menacing guitar riff while Eminem attempts to reclaim the title he once was so modest of. The second clip to be shot, “Follow Me” features 50 Cent and has the duo flowing to a beat reminiscent of 50 Cent’s smash single “Out of Control” a track that will undoubtedly garner plenty of rump shaking in the club these up coming months. Long time friend and collaborator Jeff Bass claims, “Expect an album like you have never heard from Marshall. He’s been through a lot since Encore and has a lot to say. This album is very different from his previous work.” Bass also promised that fans won’t be disappointed by Slim Shady inspired tracks like “Still Shady” and “Never Gave A fuck.” King Mathers also features a long overdue tribute to Mather’s fallen friend Deshaun Holton (Things Ain’t The Same), famous for his role in the film 8 Mile and a member of Mather’s Detroit rap collective D-12. You can expect King Mathers to hit stores October 16th. A special edition “King Mathers” will be released simultaneously featuring four tracks from the recently scrapped upcoming D-12 project that includes a surprising appearance by Three 6 Mafia as well as Stat Quo. “King Mathers” boasts possibly ten tracks produced by Dr. Dre as well as production from Hi-Tek, Dawaun Parker, Akon, & Eminem himself. The highly anticipated comeback album also features guest appearances by label mates Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, Ca$his & Obie Trice as well as Jay-Z, T.I. & Mary J. Blige.

Sounds like a promotion. -HeckXX (G,W,U,V) 01:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I would delete it, sounds more like an add then an encyclopedia and probably isn't true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.197.28 (talk • contribs)

i pray to god this is true Darius20 14:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

You need a source... "i pray to god this is true" does not work. --Ayoleftyz 15:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

and y would u pray they scrapped that D12 album anyway - NJ Rock

Ok, I want a source first of all to see where you find this because as far as I know there has been no announced first single and second of all, they are not scrapping the D12 album. I recommend that this also be removed from the King Mathers talk page. volumesoxxs 11:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Jay-Z featured?

It said that Ca$his confirmed an appearance by Jay-Z, but when I checked the source there was no sign of it ((source #4!!)) So I deleted the part that said Jay-Z was featured and replaced it with something else Ca$his had said about the album. Don't trust? Check the source. Peace... Darius20 14:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources and hearsay

First off, you guys need to start giving a lot more sources for all of this information or the page needs to be deleted/cut down until sources/information are given. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and we are not serving anyone by citing rumors or fake information for articles. I have cleaned the page up, format wise and have put "Never Gave a Fuck" up for deletion as it has no reason to even be created. Half of the information in the article should be removed until sources are given. --Ayoleftyz 15:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Finally someone steps up to the plate and does this, thank you Ayoleftyz volumesoxxs 12:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Comeback album?

Why is this being described as a comeback album? Eminem hasn't exactly fallen off the map or lost popularity, has he? 68.13.245.143 22:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's more of the fact that he supposedly was going to stop making solo albums I think. 70.245.13.252 06:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this is not a comeback album. --Ayoleftyz 00:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It is because of the fan dissapointment of Encore, I also agree that this is not a comeback album but I don't think the talk page should be discussing forum type topics. We are here to make help validate wikis articles, not turn it into a forum. volumesoxxs 12:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

What are you even talking about? He asked a valid question which helps improve the article with feedback. How do you think Graduation and Curtis stay so organized and formatted correctly? It takes discussion and experience to make "help validate wikis articles." By the way, how was Encore a fan disappointment? It only sold 5 million in the U.S. ALONE and another 11 million around the world. I don't think people were too disappointed otherwise you would have saw a substantial decrease in sales after the first week or two, albums that go 5x platinum with solid reviews across the board usually aren't categorized as a "fan disappointment." That kind of reception is incredible. Also, in no way am I an Eminem groupie, I respect his music and enjoy it yes, but it's just remarks like that which get under my skin. --Ayoleftyz 02:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

volumesoxxs was referring to it as a fan dissapointment, not a financial dissapointment 74.211.5.92 06:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the article (at the time I brought up the question) described King Mathers as a "long-awaited comeback album", which I disagree with. Although he hasn't had a studio album in three years, his Encore was far from a disappointment (it sold millions of copies, received generally positive reviews, and spawned several radio hits, as did all his Aftermath albums). Plus, he released a greatest hits album that sold well--carried by a strong new single ("When I'm Gone") and touring, plus he produced other artists and appeared as a guest rapper for multiple acts. No, Eminem hasn't been out of the spotlight in any sense that would require a 2007 comeback. But it's moot, since the article since has been altered. Peace. 192.234.13.40 18:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It is called a comeback album because many fans were disappointed with the recent trcks, such as the Touchdown, Eminem Presents: The Re-Up, and two of three tracks that were newly added to Curtain Call: The Hits, namely, "FACK" and "Shake That". These songs for some reason gave his hardcore fans some reason to lose faith in him, and now he is considered a "fall-off" by many of his so-called fans. So that is why it's called a comeback, because he lost at least half of his fanbase. If you look at forums, you'll see what I mean. - NJ Rock 15:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Shake That was awesome. So were Em's tracks on The Re-Up. I don't care for Touchdown and I HATE FACK, but Em hasn't fallen off the wagon. He's still the best rapper alive, and probably ever. (Yes, that includes 2Pac.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.227.24.185 (talk • contribs)

"It is called a comeback album because many fans were disappointed with the recent trcks. . . These songs for some reason gave his hardcore fans some reason to lose faith in him, and now he is considered a "fall-off" by many of his so-called fans. So that is why it's called a comeback, because he lost at least half of his fanbase." The album hasn't been released nor has anything from it been leaked; Eminem himself hasn't even confirmed the album's title. Nothing from this album has been made public so how can we just assume it is a comeback album? And Eminem isn't the best rapper alive. His older work is impressive and is definitely in the top ranks, but there are other artists with work much comparable to his own. The Psycho+Logical-Records artists are really underlooked... R-Tiztik 16:21, 1 August 2007 (UT

No Album

There is no Eminem album on any release schedule. http://www.defsounds.com/news/view/2201-eminem-not-releasing-album-this-year.html--Shadyaftrmathgunit 11:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

This whole "no album scheduled" thing is kind of annoying. I think Eminem's own labelmates, and personal friends at that, would know more about what he's up to or planning than an industry nut. Then again publicists and Interscope executives would probably have to be informed on his plans; hmm... This whole thing is frustrating. If he really does have any plans on retiring he should redeem himself with a studio album, instead of retiring as a solo artist with Encore being his final studio album. Eesh. R-Tiztik 17:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that I think that there is an album too. More than one labelmate has confirmed it and that is more reliable than just one interscope official. --The-G-Unit-Boss 17:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

There is an album, unless all of his label mates are lying to see if they can piss us all off but yeah...anyways, the guy said no album on a release schedual I believe or something like that. That just means that theres no planned release date, not that he isn't making one.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.196.114 (talk • contribs)

Even KingMathers.com looks very official. Eminem's publicist specifically dismissed it as a hoax, but regardless of there being authenticity to the site in one form or another, it is very professionally done. It's layout is very reminiscent of the enhanced portion of the 8 Mile soundtrack. R-Tiztik 22:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Kingmathers.com

Actually kingmathers.com site was bought by member from hiphopsummit.com so it is a hoax site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.54.13.72 (talk • contribs)

Yeah lol, it was registered at GoDaddy haha. --Ayoleftyz 05:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I wasn't saying it was authentic anyways, just that it was very officially handled. R-Tiztik 05:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Recorded/Release

Hi after looking at this I assumed that it was recorded in 2007. What do you lot think? --The-G-Unit-Boss 16:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That is old, it was in May. A few days ago, an Interscope rep said there is no album scheduled to be released in 2007. So, he might also be recording it in 2008, that's why I removed it. --- Realest4Life 17:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The first songs recorded for the purpose of King Mathers (or its final title) were recorded in 2007 during T.I.'s T.I.P. recording sessions. There were also magazine reports of songs recorded targeting Mariah Carey which she was looking into filing a suit over, but this was a few months ago so I don't know how that went. He's probably working at something, demoing or something. Eminem's own friends would probably know more about what Em, personally, is up to or planning, rather than an Interscope official that would only be informed on his ultimate decisions, commercially. (Unless Eminem and Dennehy are hanging out now? Lol). Recording took, and is taking place in 2007 anyways, and if there truly is no album by the end of the year, recording will clearly take place in 2008 as well. R-Tiztik 18:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, but what I meant when I mentioned the Interscope rep was that his statements were only a few days ago, compared to 50 Cent's and Ca$his' statements, which were a few months ago. I agree that 2007 should definitely be there, but if the album is not going to be released this year, we should add 2008, and I don't think we should do that yet, especially since no one really knows what is going on right now. Also, what if the album isn't going to be released in 2008 either? What if Eminem decides to release it in 2009?! The reason I removed "2007" was because it might give the reader the impression that that is when all the recording took place, and I can't say for sure that he will record in 2008. --- Realest4Life 18:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that is true as well. Commonly in the case of an article for an album of ongoing recording, the year placeholder in the Infobox will appear as "Year – ???", but the question marks have always seemed to not do justice, to me anyways. I guess another way would be "Year – Present" like artist pages use; you don't see their Years active placeholder reading "Year – ???" haha. I'm not sure how to best reflect this on the article, it's definitely worth mentioning though. R-Tiztik 19:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with both of your commments. My solution would be to put, as R-Tiztik said, "Recorded - " and then wait untill more information is revealed. If the album is going to be released this year it shouldnt be too long before the promotion begins, and if it doesnt we can put 2008. :--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, so, the only solution I can think of, as R-Tiztik said, is to put "2007 – present". Does everyone else agree with this? --- Realest4Life 19:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

That would be the best thing to do. --The-G-Unit-Boss 21:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a question that is off-topic here. Did the Interscope rep also deny that the album's name is "King Mathers", or did he only deny that it will be released in 2007? --- Realest4Life 21:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

It was actually Eminem's "Interscope Records publicist" who said that "There is no Eminem album on any release schedule. The promotional site for King Mathers(www.kingmathers.com) is completely bogus." Heres the link if you want to read it for yourself — Preceding unsigned comment added by The-G-Unit-Boss (talk • contribs)

Thank you for the link. --- Realest4Life 23:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

No Problem --The-G-Unit-Boss 20:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, 2007-Present sounds good on the recording and I think the release date should be 2008 because I doubt the album will be coming out in 2007 especially if a publicist said that there was no release date for a new album. volumesoxxs 07:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

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First off it doesn't just say it's an internet rumor, although it does mention his publicist discrediting the album. But it also sources mentions of his close fellow artists that have alluded to its existence. It's existence is as credible by two of his personal friends as it isn't by an incessant publicist. See above. R-Tiztik 00:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)