User talk:Realkyhick

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Stick Online Deletion

Why was my Stick Online article deleted? The message you left me was worded extremely poorly, but I got the general message that the only way it wouldnt have been deleted is if I checked it every half minute,

SFKK revert

An apologist for SF? Gosh no. For consistency, I just try to be as unbiased and unemotional as possible when posting all the park accident information, as an encyclopedia article should be. I reverted because (a) a mention of the ongoing investigation of the cable is not encyclopedic -- the result of the investigation will be once it is complete and that info will be posted on the Incident page; (b) a mention of the ongoing investigation is not relevent to an article on SFKK. The incident itself, yes. The minute-by-minute update? Not so much. SpikeJones 17:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Brewing Time for Tea

Again I request that you remove the copyright infringement tag from Brewing Time for Tea. If the content was deleted because it was too promotional, then that should be the reason listed. The article was not a copyright infringement. I feel that it would be beneficial to everyone if the tags were accurate. Thank you. (MandyBarberio 18:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

It is not a copyright infringement. I wrote the article in it's original placement: http://www.englishteastore.com/flavonoids-tea.html, and I placed a blatant GNU Free Documentation License on the article. The copyright has in no way been violated. I do not plan on reposting the article as it was because I agree that it was perhaps too promotional in nature. All I'm asking is that the copyright violation tag be removed, since that was not the issue at hand. (MandyBarberio 19:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

Yes I understand that the article is gone, and that's fine. But it makes me look bad that someone has tagged me with a copyright violation, when no copyright violation occurred. The GNU Free Documentation License is blatantly listed on the original article. Perhaps this something you should check before you accuse writers of such violations! I'm new to Wikipedia, but I would think that you could do something to make it known that the violation tag was in error. (MandyBarberio 19:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

LOL. I'll take your word for it. I just get very upset by those types of things because I work in the English/Journalism field, but as long as that information will not be accessible to the public, I'm sure I'll be fine. Thanks! (MandyBarberio 20:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

I hear you. I am a copywriter. One thing I was wondering about is are the Administrators on Wikipedia paid, or is it on a volunteer basis? (MandyBarberio 20:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

mathis records continued

more people may know more about the cheeses than the actuall label because the label is new. However the people associated with it probubly have a bigger following...Whatever, i'll remake the article when its "notable" enough for wiki. (20:54 july 31, 2007)Hydrorunner 00:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Crimson Room.

I read the item seven of the Criteria for the speedy deletion of articles. I'm not sure how you're supposed to prove that something is "remarkable". Many people have played Crimson Room. When I first went searching for the article today, I was surprised not to find it. So, I decided to create the article and hope that someone will expand it. (I'd be a horrible encyclopedia writer at this point in my life, and I need to take the time to learn Wiki's markup language so I can edit/publish effectively)

Any suggestion as far as what I can do? I mean, how do you go around proving that things aren't remarkable/significant, and beyond that, who determines what is significant? --Slashedzero 05:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Copy & paste

A note for you on Campisi's Egyptian Restaurant. KMS 19:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Constantine Adraktas - ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE

How can I find the original article ( write up + associated Images ) I posted
before you removed the Photo Gallery ?

Constantine Adraktas 07:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused

You wrote "speedy delete" in your edit summary here, but you actually put cleanup tags instead. Most likely you were thinking to speedy delete but then changed your mind, but I was just curious what was your thought process. Best regards, Shalom ^Hello 01:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I've already worked on the tone. The two sources that are there now should save it from immediate deletion, but more would be better. Thanks for the quick and thorough response. Shalom ^Hello 02:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Ormand cup

Ormand Cup i have removed your speedy deletion tag. since you did not read the full article. Look under the links. This cup is one of the most important boating events in the San Francisco area. The cup has a long history in the boating world. What do you know about boating? I can also put that tag up myself. I have been on here a lot longer then you. You have a record of removing articles you do not agree with. Futher i have read the rules for deletion, just because an article is short is not a reason to delete it. As a matter of fact, this article is the only one about boat racing in the San Francisco Bay area. Plenty of articles on WiKi, have few if any sources to back them up. You need to stay out of fields you do not know about. You also need a lesson in good manners, if you have heard of those.

Sports teams

Teams which are under the Wikiproject Korea banner can be determined whether or not to be appropriate for inclusion therein. Also, discuss any such issues in the discussion pages as appropriate. Do not vandalise. And would you also delete Manchester United? No? Why not? The same reason applies here.JPBarrass 15:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You tell me to "mind" my words when accusing you of vandalism? Well how about minding your manners about putting stuff up for speedy deletion instead of discussing it first?!!! You accuse me of being laughable, but I've just had quite a chuckle myself. And as for putting the entire league up for deletion because of me accusing you of vandalism, well that's simply childish. Grow up.

In your opinion they do not belong. In many others' they do. Now wouldn't it have been nice of you to discuss the issue on the discussion page so kindly provided by Wikipedia rather than just plonking a speedy delete tag in there and then threatening me with removal from Wikipedia, albeit indirectly? There are things called manners in this world and I feel that you would benefit from a crash course. Honestly, it's this kind of behaviour which leads to people like myself, who do decent writing for Wikipedia, to feel like jacking it all in. You and your ilk are killing this site.

Hurting cause

Surely you aren't suggesting that experienced Wikipedia editors are swayed by anything other than the available facts! ;)JPBarrass 17:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Well I'm glad we can have a little humour, anyway! It's 3 in the morning here, anyway, so I really have to go to bed - and then I've got work tomorrow, so please don't delete anything while I'm gone! JPBarrass 18:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Do you know who deleted it? It's gone within 1 day. That's just ludicrous. They didn't even give me chance to copy the coding to use on another wiki. I'd like that coding very much. Any idea how I can get it? JPBarrass 09:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the info. I'll have a word with him about the coding. Cheers. JPBarrass 15:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Haven't passed 140 yet. Bit naff, really! Thanks again. JPBarrass 16:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
        • Yes, I just let those messsages go, but thankfully I'd only put two images up. Thanks again for your help and sorry for getting off on the wrong foot. JPBarrass 07:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
          • You're very good at these instant replies. Do you actually live online?! :) JPBarrass 07:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
            • Maybe Wikipedia should have some lists of leagues to help you find one! lol ;) JPBarrass 07:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi! :)

Hi! :) I was really amused by that quote and your comment, and it'd be a great addition to Wikiquote, if we can get a source to properly attribute it. I happen to be somewhat active there. I'd like to invite you to open an account at Wikiquote, and add that interesting line, and any others you find noteworthy. Let me know if you wish to drop by at my talk page there, adn I'd love to lend you a hand with the ropes, if you need me. Have a beautiful day! Love, Phaedriel - 23:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

S. David Freeman

Take another look; you'll probably want to remove your speedy tag now. Dicklyon 06:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

MoreEnglishThanYou

Never mind, i just thought this was a REAL encyclopedia, like the books you know?

I thought experts on subject matter would have higher status with regards to the hierarchy, i suppose i was wrong was i?

Thanks for your comment saying you like england it was very nice :)

Any other cool stuff you like, other than Man-united, i am not into footie personally.

Brotherhood 2.0

My God! I make one page about a topic that I do consider relevant, and in the midst of attempting to discuss that relevance with you, you threaten to remove me from Wikipedia permanently. If this is the type of behavior I should expect from this site, maybe you should remove me. I wouldn't want to come here anymore. I can't believe that I've actually donated money to this site if you're a typical admin. Mangler 21:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced message

But none of the people I'm adding or who've already been added to Violence against LGBT people and Hate crimes against LGBT people were famous or notable before their murder. So, does that mean that none of them should be added? Or does that mean that more supporting articles are needed? Given that the murder happened in March of this year, does that mean I should wait until it's had time to generate more headlines? How much publicity is a lot?

The summaries in the article are usually a few sentences long. How uchof what I added to the Keel article would be appropriate in a summary? It's about three orfour paragraphs long. Can I add that much to the bullet in the article? k

I guess I just don't want to spend time adding these cases to Wikipedia if they're going to end up being deleted because the the victims aren't famous enough or the crimes haven't generated enough headlines; especially if I spend a lot of times, sometimes several days, gathering information and writing it up.

I am expanding some articles as I go, like the one about Paul Broussard, which was only a stub before I added the information I'd researched.

As for Keel, I added hers because of the connection between it and what happened to Nizah Morris, which generated considerable coverage in the Philadelphia area, and which is part of the reason Keel's death has generated controversy in the area.

The preceding text, written by TerranceDC, was left on the userpage rather than on the talk page. I have just now moved it. Nyttend 22:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Brotherhood 2.0 and LateToTheGame (AKA Mangler)

Hi realkyhick, please know that LateToTheGame aka Mangler has agreed to informal Dispute Resolution. I'm acting as an unbiased third party in this dispute. Mangler has taken offense to your edits, comments, and mentioning of possible deletion on the article Brotherhood 2.0. After which he then asked for help on the Help Desk (Threatened With Account Closure). If you agree to end this dispute, I would ask that you Disengage for a while (Level 2 of informal dispute resolution) until we can cool our collective heads, or proceed through Wikipedia:Mediation. I would also add that Mangler is admittedly a new user to Wikipedia, and unfamilar with some Wikipedia policy, guidelines, and essays. As such, please explain in detail what you do in the future, so he can better understand the entire process. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please respond either here or on my Talk Page, or at the Brotherhood 2.0 Talk Page. Thanks! Zidel333 23:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Sunland Park Mall

Removing a speedy? Are you unwell?  ;-) Take care... --Finngall ^talk 03:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick pointer

I'm not a big fan of anons turning up from all over the place and commenting in AfDs either - particularly when they totally miss the point - but "What are you smoking?" isn't quite in tune with civility and so on. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Procedural nomination

I would not recommend nominating for AFD, if the author removes a PROD and attempts to improve the article, and you have no position on the AFD. It appears you are nominating, just for nominations sake. It would perhaps be a good idea to allow the articles contributers to improve the article or provide a deletion rationale instead of no position. I'm not sure where in the deletions process or deletions policy, procedural nominations in response to contested PRODs are covered.

Cheers! Navou ^banter 22:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania 13th and 28th Senatorial Districts

I strongly oppose you nomination of AFD for the two articles I created. The purpose of creating articles about political districts is to inform people what areas are actually included in the districts in the articles and thats what I did in the two articles. for both I give what cities, townships and boroughs are included in the two articles about the 13th and 28th Pennsylvania Senatorial Districts and backed them up with two links: one link giving infomation about the districts so it can prove i'm not making infomation up and one link that gives the website of the State Senator that represents the district i'm writing about. Out of the few articles that are written about Pennsylvania State Senate Districts there all written the same and I don't think you should nominate them for AFD because they are accurate, well written and have them backed up with atleast one source that concurs with the infomation i'm writing about. 66.82.9.45 03:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Paul Broun

TfD nomination of Template:Db-shoutout

Template:Db-shoutout has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Black Falcon ^(Talk) 05:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Starr Dance Academy

I don't quite understand why you changed the speedy-delete tag on this article to a prod. Explain, please. Realkyhick 05:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Because while the article was made by what is likely a single-purpose account, User talk:StarrDance, a discussion with them has not really happened, they just got a talk-page template slap. This page doesn't appear to be pure-spam, as it does not contain EL's, but it doesn't really assert its notability either, though hints at it through wiki-links. My main reasoning was that if this was created by a good faith contributor, as I like to assume, it may become a better article, but if they are single purpose, they will likely never come back, the prod will expire, and the result will be the same. I have no other interest in this artlce, and from my history have no problem deleting things! Thanks, — xaosflux ^Talk 16:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Your history is why I asked. :-) Well, let's see how it goes. The reason may need a little expanding, as few non-Wikipedians might now what "db-inc" means. If they remove the prod, an we then put the speedy back up or do we have to go to AfD? Not sure on the procedure here. Realkyhick 17:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to expand the definition on the {{prod}} marker. If the prod is removed then it will require an afd, although the ebst resolution would be for notability to get cited and not have to delete anything! — xaosflux ^Talk 18:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

TheFurniture.com

Hi, I am wondering why TheFurniture.com was deleted. It contains only encyclopedic information, and I have asked repeatedly for help on adding sources so that it can be even more useful, but was ignored. I am not trying to advertise the website but simply to tell people about it. PLEASE get back to me as soon as possible with answers to my questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmcnabb5 (talk • contribs)

U.B. Funkeys

Hello. Could you give me some advice on how to rewrite this page so it will not be deleted? My intent is not to advertise, but to inform about a new toy released this year and intented for young kids today. I tried to give a description of the toy and its characters while being encyclopedic and informative. Please give me some advice on this page. Thank you. David M. Sharp 17:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

ROMO Analysis

Thanks for your eager review and categorization for speedy deletion of my entry on ROMO Analysis. I'd remind you that "Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if there is enough context for the article to qualify as a valid stub." Bdegroodt 21:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Flash Your Email deleted because it does not have encyclopedic value: it is an instruction manual. `'Míkka 03:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

TheFurniture.com

Hi! You said the article was fine, with a few minor corrections necessary, but another admin is trying to delete it again. It has sources that prove the site's notability, and I can add/delete what you tell me. Please help me to keep this article on Wikipedia and PLEASE get back to me as soon as possible. Thank you in advance. Dmcnabb5 16:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. sorry if i was a bit quick of the mark, Jimfbleak 18:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

You asked me to let you know when I was finished adding the sources. I have, and now every sentence that presents data or facts is proven by a source with a link. Please tell me if they are satisfactory. Thank you! Dmcnabb5 21:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

AFDs

Hi. I liked how you also use the sentiment that "even though I love ..." as an argument to delete. I use WP:ILIKEIT likewise. Bearian 19:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of Jody Weiner

I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Jody Weiner. I do not think that Jody Weiner fits any of the speedy deletion criteria because publication of multiple books, apparently by legitimate publishers, is enough to take this out of the speedy deletion realm. Sources supporting notability would be needed at an AfD, but the claim alone is enough to avoid a speedy delete. I request that you consider not re-tagging Jody Weiner for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. DES ^(talk) 21:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

That's quite reasonable. I plan to do some cleanup and a google search tomorrow, and add any valid sources I find. If I can't find any I'll second your prod. DES ^(talk) 21:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Anna Svidersky AfD

Howdy, on the Anna Svidersky AfD you expressed sentiments to keep the content regarding the notability of the aftermath following her death. I recently created the Mourning sickness article with a section ascribed to Svidersky and the reaction to her death. My intent is to respect the content that you and other "Keep advocates" have wished to retain but still maintain the encyclopedic focus on what is actually notable about Anna Svidersky. If you have an opportunity, feel free to review the article and give me any feedback about what I can do to improve it. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 08:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

An important letter

Dear roads editor,

You may have noticed some changes at WP:USRD lately. Some of them, like the cleanup templates and the stub templates, have been astounding and great. Unfortunately, others have been disturbing.

This has become evidenced by the departure of a few prominent editors at USRD, a few RFC's, and much fighting among USRD editors.

After the second RFC, many of us found the opportunity to take a step away from Wikipedia for a while--as a self-imposed wikibreak, or possibly on vacation.

The result of such introspection was that many of us were placing ourselves in a "walled garden" and on a self-imposed pedestal of authority over the roads department. Also, we were being hostile to a few users who were not agreeing with us.

In fact, IRC has been the main incarnation of this "walled garden." Decisions have been made there to conduct grudges and prejudices against a few valued USRD users with poor justification.

For this, we have come to apologize. We have come to ask your forgiveness.

In addition to this, we hope to work as one USRD team from now on and to encourage cooperation instead of the promotion of interests.

All users are welcome to collaborate on IRC, the newsletter, or anywhere else at USRD.

In the future, please feel free to approach us about any issues you may have.

Regards,

• Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)
• TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats}
• master son^{T - C}
• Son^Talk
• (→O - RLY?)

Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 17:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

It looks like I lost the battle and the article is on its way to being deleted. However, I still wanted to thank you for the time you devoted to helping me and for sticking up for me in the discussion page. You were genuinely trying to help me write the article rather than just try to delete it right away, something I cannot say about any of the other users I came in contact with. Thanks for all your help, and hopefully we will collaborate on a more successful project in the future. Sincerely, Dmcnabb5 20:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Noticed you marked Silent Movie Records for deletion and said I was using a javascript bot of some kind. I don't even know what that is. Hahah. I did write everything in word and then paste it into the browser.

The label is pretty significant, they've launched the careers of two bands who are now on major indie labels. The one band, Hit The Lights, toured with groups like New Found Glory, The Early November, and have gone overseas with bands like MXPX. They're definitely a significant band, and the label is too! :)

Re: "CUBS WIN!"

I was hoping someone would enjoy that bit of humor. I'm a Red Sox fan, but my family has connections to the north side of Chicago, so I also root for the Cubs when it doesn't affect the Red Sox. I haven't laughed so hard in evaluating an AFD in my whole time on Wikipedia. (Most of them are just boring.) Shalom ^Hello 19:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Silent Movie Records

I have declined your speedy request in favor of WP:AFD, in which of course you may participate. Carlossuarez46 00:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Copy-n-Paste Moves

You left me your message as I was composing one to you. :-) Copy-n-paste moves shouldn't be done as they disassociate the edit history which causes GFDL compliance issues. If you cannot move the page yourself because the target exists, you can request admin assistance at WP:RM. If you have further questions, let me know. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 18:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

At a minimum, it could use a cleanup tag. I'm half tempted to prod it. It is probably a worthwhile subject, but I'm not sure a complete rewrite wouldn't be better. It doesn't really seem to say anything about the supposed subject. It's talking about various gases and not actually detecting. Maybe reduce it to a stub? -- JLaTondre 18:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry! I missed that you had edited it after the move. I've done a history merge and restored your edits. I did wonder about the original author's intent, but the link to his site was removed and that's probably sufficient to address any spam issues. I also don't have a lot of knowledge on this subject. I'll see if I can dig something up and clean up the article a bit. -- JLaTondre 19:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I stubified it. If you think there was anything I should have left, please put it back in. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 19:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Does it really concern you? FYI its here [1] --Vonones 19:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Because its obvious its notable again he is known for his works around ancient Armenians, he has a dozen publications I will dig out more info you can add the reference tag. --Vonones 21:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Camping World

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Camping World, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. Moonriddengirl 00:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You've quite satisfied my concerns about notability on the article. :) It asserts notability and supports it. --Moonriddengirl 12:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CampingWorldLogo.jpg

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Deletion on polymer engineering article

Hi there, well i truly appreciate of being given a chance to learn this editing experience, but after doing some info-searching and studying, i realize that the article's content that i intended to make can actually be included in the other article which has already been made, polymer physics. Moreover, finding exclusive information of the article is somehow extremely difficult because its information usually overlaps with the other article, polymer science. Hence, i think...well, my article cannot fulfil the wikipedia requirement and it should be deleted. Anyway, i ain't an educator as what you guessed, i'm just a university student currently enrolling polymer engineering course. Well the article was intended to tell the people around what it is. Doesn't seem like it is gonna work now. Thanks anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orientalknight (talk • contribs)

Deletion: "Robin Good, Master New Media" Why?

Realkyhick,

I'm struggling to understand specifically why the article I posted, "Robin Good, Master New Media," fell into the "criteria for speedy deletion" category. As for reasons given, you (I presume it was you who tagged the article) cited "the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11" ("Blatant advertising"), and "the guidelines on spam" which cites "Advertisements masquerading as articles."

As a former community newspaper editor/publisher, I have some sense of the difference between ad copy and genuine editorial. As a sort of "Web 2.0 consultant" to my employer, as well as a volunteer consultant on this topic to various non-profit organizations in my community, I can also claim at least some knowledge of the "new media" space.

Many of the people I've referred to Robin Good's blog are NOT tech enthusiasts. Yet a number of them later thanked me by mentioning how much they enjoyed using Master New Media as their "new media" resource. These are folks who would rarely (if ever) spend time reading Techcrunch, Lifehacker, Ars Technica, Engadget, etc., yet each of these blogs sports a Wikipedia entry. A number of factors sets Master New Media apart from other tech blogs. One of the most obvious is Good's tone, enthusiasm and writing style, which seems to invite "non-geeks"--particularly grassroots media enthusiasts--into understanding how these tools might work for them. As for me personally, Master New Media has become my "bible" in this regard.

Robin Good does his thing from Rome, Italy. I live in Portland, Oregon (USA); the last time I was in Rome was in early 1981. Indeed, I have never met the man (other than a couple of brief email exchanges cited below). I'm not sure what my motivation would be to "advertise" (or otherwise shill) for Robin Good, other than the motivation I actually have, which is: relevance to a particular audience (of which I attempted to articulate above). Although I've followed Good's work for the past 3 or 4 years, the only contact I can recall having with this article's subject was a brief email exchange several years ago that I had initiated to ask for more clarification on a news feed service he had brought to his readers' attention, and another brief exchange a couple of months ago to inquire into his overall objectives for the Robin Good TV initiative he was just launching at the time.

I recall, as a journalism student in college, that one of my professors gave me an exceptionally bad grade at the end of the term (a "D" if I remember correctly). At issue wasn't any personality conflict; she actually demonstrated more fondness for me than had many of the other professors, all of whom awarded me with "A's" that term. I forgot all about it and went off to launch my community newspaper. A year or so later, my former professor appeared in my office with a video camera to tape me, and I became a subject in a video she produced to highlight "successful" community media pioneers.

While taping the segment, she made a comment along the lines of "I guess you showed me" (meaning that I'd somehow "proved her wrong" in her decision to give me such a low grade in her class). Of course, I hadn't intended to "show her" anything of the sort. Instead, while a student in her class, I attempted to show that--while I demonstrably understood the basics of "correct" news writing and editing--I also knew that standard journalism's "officially-sanctioned" approach would fail to communicate effectively if used in the type of newspaper I intended to begin publishing (geared towards our local grunge and punk music scene). My goal was to show that another approach might be warranted to successfully reach a particular audience.

For a number of years now, it has been my observation that Good's approach to technology reporting is effective for an audience more interested in grassroots media than geeky technology. I feel that pointing Wikipedia readers to such a resource, far from being "blatant advertising," would actually benefit the community. If qualified Wikipedia editors can find holes in this argument, please point them out. Otherwise please come up with a rationale more relevant than "blatant advertising" as to why the article should be strengthened, and then cite specific measures I can take to improve the article.

With kind regards,

Davydog 19:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC) davydog

Realkyhick's Response

The article had all the appearance of a news release written by the subject's PR firm, if not outright advertising. As a newspaper reporter and editor myself (currently with The Birmingham News), I've seen my share of news releases, most of which end up in the trash. The article also qualified for speedy deletion because the subject did not meet Wikipedia notability standards. I must point out that I simply tagged the article as meting speedy-deletion criteria; an administrator must agree with my assessment and actually delete the article, or may decide that the article does not meet the criteria and remove the message. Realkyhick 19:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Davydog's Follow-Up To Realkyhick's Response

Realkyhick,

Thank you for your quick response. I'm actually comforted that you're a working news editor, which means that I now think I have a pretty good idea of how to proceed. (Naturally I've read through all the Wikipedia guidelines, rules, etc. a number of times, but possible interpretations of those resources can vary widely.)

I agree that my initial draft of the article has a somewhat PR-ish read to it. And, like you, my section editors and I quickly disposed of most press releases my paper received back in the day ;-) Because this was my first full Wikipedia article I thought I'd have time last night to just get a few initial paragraphs up on the site, go get some sleep, then work on citations, etc. the next morning (today). I also wanted to see if I could entice other folks who follow Good's blog to edit in their insights and info. I didn't realize how quickly you "Wiki-watchers" worked!

To clarify: If I were to pull together more information to support "notability standards," such as 3rd-party news articles like this one: Adding an RSS Feed to Your Blog or Web Site, while working to tone down some of the "PR-ish" feel to the article, do you think it might then meet Wikipedia standards?

With kind regards,

-davydog

Notification of discussion: Guideline/policy governing lists

Given your extensive Wikipedia experience, I'd appreciate your input on the following:

User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic. Sidatio 01:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Dale

I have a feeling it might be better to dispose of Erik J. Dale by a more definitive consensus at AfD--perhaps you'll want to send it.DGG (talk) 07:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 11

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Volume 1, Issue 11	18 August 2007	About the Newsletter
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Article on Occupational Asthma

Thanks for the insights regarding the article. I had written it first in word and pasted it from there. I'm still working on improving the other aspects of the article according to the Wikipedia guidelines. But being a new user, its slow going. (Occupational Asthma 16:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC));