Talk:Survivor: China

Note

As a note, this article went through an AFD a few months ago. I was the nominator. It was nominated because it was created before it was announced. Now, five months after, the application is up on CBS's website (see the reference in the article), which is why I have recreated the article. TeckWiz^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 20:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Season Name

The Variety article only says that filming will be in China. No mention of the name for the 15th season in the article. While Survivor: China, is a reasonable guess at the name, it's only a guess. The name of the article should only be changed when the title of the season is confirmed. -- Gogo Dodo 06:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that sometime the correct name is not used and it's the common name that is the article title Cingular Wireless comes to mind first. most people are already refering to this season as Survivor: China. I don't see any problem in doing it too. EnsRedShirt 08:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

True, but Cingular Wireless is the company's former established and official name set by the company itself. This season of Survivor has yet to have it's official name released, so it should not be changed until then. While I understand people calling it Survivor: China since "the next season of Survivor" is rather clunky, "Survivor: China" is not it's official name. We don't know what it is. It could be "Survivor: Orient" or "Survivor: Outer Mongolia". Well, okay, the last one isn't likely =), but still the point is we don't know the name. -- Gogo Dodo 03:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Gogo Dodo. Amazon was filmed in Brazil, but called Amazon. Anything could happen, though not likely. Still, it shouldn't call it Survivor:China. --TeckWiz is now R ^ParlateContribs_@(Lets go Yankees!) 03:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

oh please. "Survivor: China" is a suitable name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.109.184.105 (talk • contribs)

The point is not what is "suitable", but what is correct. If you just wait 5 more days, you won't need to continue this discussion. -- Gogo Dodo 06:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Announcement

Jeff Probst has announced after the reunion show of Survivor: Fiji that the 15th season will be called Survivor: China. It will tape over the summer and air this fall. BuickCenturydriver (Honk, contribs) 03:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's also noteworthy that this is another inland season, the first since Guatemala, and one of only five in the show's history - Outback, Africa, Amazon (Brazil), and Guatemala. In addition, Probst directly contradicted himself by claiming at first that the game would be island setting again -- Host Jeff Probst revealed on Live with Regis and Kelly today that there are a “little group of islands we’re going to,” he said, according to Reality TV World. Of the island’s name, he said, “I can’t even pronounce it.” (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_china/2007_Apr_19_probst_island) , when in the formal announcement, it was said, “Survivor leaves the tropical island setting for something completely different. The adventure will play out in the shadows of a sacred mountain, on the shores of a remote lake in a land known for tigers, giant pandas, snow leopards, and ancient traditions.” http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_china/

Just thought I'd like to clear it up. Sisco, 14.21, 14 May 2007

Kinda wonder if they'll have a place to exile castaways as they had for the past three seasons. Stay Tuned. BuickCenturydriver (Honk, contribs) 00:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Simple. They'll just throw them in the lake. Seriously though, I doubt they'll get rid of Exile after how much use they got out of the idols last season. The lake probably has some island in it or something. To mention a lake, it must be pretty big. Still, I guess you are right. We should just stay tuned. --LuigiManiac 00:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if they would use "Exile Pagoda". And by the way, you wouldn't want Survivor: The Australian Outback to be the only season lasting a different ammount of days than 39, would ya? I wouldn't. The ammount of days are unknown at this time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.109.184.105 (talk • contribs)

Official Logo

Hey VG just posted the official logo. I stink at editing pics in so if anyone could do it that would be great! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.245.166.195 (talk) 00:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Here's the logo, but I can't seem to make the jpeg work in the actual article. http://www.survivorfever.net/images15/s15_cbs_logo.jpg Can someone else figure it out? Sisco, 10.06, 15 May 2007. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.8.1.2 (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

The official logo has been edited in! We should all give VolcanicGlass a big thank you for finding it. I have now added it to the infobox. UWAFanatic05 20:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys! Yay VG!!! This is my fave logo! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.166.195 (talk • contribs)

For the part on: "Unlike the previous seasons, the “Outwit, Outplay, Outlast” slogan in the show's logo has been replaced by Chinese characters. According to the blog Shanghaiist.com, the characters translate to: Compete in intelligence (比智慧, bĭ zhìhuì), compete in skill (比技巧, bĭ jìqiǎo), compete in endurance (比耐力, bĭ nàilì)." Do we really need the fact that Shanghaiist.com translated the text? It's a translation so do we really need a citation for that? Anybody out there versatile in Mandarin Chinese and English can do the same. I'm simplifying the paragraph and removing the need for a citation.리지강.wa.au 14:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

PNG Version of Official Logo

A PNG version of the official logo replaced the original JPG one today. The PNG version is almost 3x larger in size than the JPG version. Just a note to my fellow JPG-to-PNG converters out there, there is no use converting the image to lossless PNG if the source is JPG, and the resultant file is larger than the original. For this reason, I've reuploaded the JPG version. JeffyP 18:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, i think you should read this first: Wikipedia:Logos, before changing it. It prefer user upload the PNG version rather than JPG version. Also, in Wikipedia:Image use policy, file can exceed 20MB, this 355KB still consider small. Sorry, that is guideline. I have to change it back. --Aleenf1 02:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I have read those policies and guidelines before, and I have converted or re-uploaded many images to PNG before, as it is a much more efficient format. Here's some of the important parts that apply to this discussion;

"Where possible, logos should be uploaded in PNG format. JPEG format should not be used as it is lossy and results in a less professional appearance." (from Wikipedia:Logos)

Note that it says JPEG should not be used because it is lossy. However, converting to PNG will not undo the compression artifacts created from the original saving as JPEG. The only logo we have access to today is one saved as JPG, so the compression artifacts are already there, with no way to remove them.

"Just automatically converting to PNG will almost never produce a good image. It is likely that the resulting file will be even larger than the original JPEG, and will maintain its poor quality[…]when you save an image as a true color PNG, you tend to get overly large files." (from WP:HRCS)

I've tinked with converting this logo to PNG a few times before, but each time the resultant file is either too large (about 3x larger than the original or the lower color depth makes the logo look even poorer than the original jpg.

There are two good reasons for converting to PNG. The first is to have lossless compression and the second is to have a smaller file size (User:PNG_crusade_bot automatically converts JPG-to-PNG only if the conversion results in a smaller file size). As for the lossless compression, this logo already has compression artifacts, so directly converting this file to a lossless format is useless. For the file size, as I said, either the file size becomes 3 times larger or can be made smaller by sacrificing quality and color depth. Because of these points, there is no justification to convert this file to PNG. Remember that guidelines are just that, guidelines. Official Wikipedia policy is WP:IAR, and keeping the JPG logo which is of higher quality to the converted PNG version (see my next comment) and is three times smaller is considered an improvement to me.

If you can provide more justification for the conversion, I'm more than happy to continue the debate. JeffyP 00:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

One more quick point, look closely at the PNG and the JPG versions currently uploaded. You'll notice further compression artifacts on your PNG version, specifically around the lettering for CHINA, and there is more compression artifacts all over the logo when zoomed in. I'm not sure what PNG compression algorithm or program you are using, but you have added compression artificats when you converted the logo. I suggest you use PNGOUT to save your PNG files, with 0 for compression and No Limit on "Max Passes" to achieve lossless compression at the lowest file size. JeffyP 00:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, your recommended tool is only take out even 5% of the PNG files that I'm produce, not exactly it work if want to meet your requirement of lower than JPG files, so just ignore it and I will propose my image for deletion. --Aleenf1 08:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

And one thing, even have PNGOUT, it is impossible to trim the file size from 3x to 1x, i have experience this in every JPG file, so it is somewhat natural. --Aleenf1 10:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a small warning

Some Wrestling news sources are reporting that Ashley Massaro will be on Survivor [1] although it is pretty much just complete speculation at this point. Either way, watch out for vandals on this page (I see some have already added this "breaking news") -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been reverted three times already as you noticed, but all were in good faith. Haven't seen any vandalism about it. At least not yet. I notice that an editor has put a warning on her page. Might be something to consider if things get out of hand, though I do notice that warnings still don't stop people. -- Gogo Dodo 00:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe an HTML note about it? --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@(Let's Go Yankees!) 00:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrestling fans are usually like this - give it a week and they will all forget about it and then this page will for the most part be left alone. Although on a side notw, I hope it's false (and it probably is, but you never know) because she is REALLY annoying. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I added in the warning [2] that Nikki311 added to the Ashley Massaro article. Hopefully we can remove it in a couple of weeks. -- Gogo Dodo 04:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/13/ashley-massaro-bye-bye-wrestling-hello-reality/ -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.42.180 (talk • contribs)

That article seems to have the exact same source as all of the other reports, so it really isn't comfirmation. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

From reading this article it looks like Ashley WILL BE ON SURVIVOR http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184203456 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.42.180 (talk • contribs)

This article does not read to me as "will be on Survivor" - it's very highly speculative rumor and not yet appropriate to post on WP. --Masem 13:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

you losers are just mad that we were right about ashley being on survivor

Source - PWInsider

Here are some more details about Ashley Massaro and Survivor:

Massaro left for the show last weekend and will be taping for 40 days in China. Even when she's eliminated, she has to remain in an undisclosed location. Apparently, Survivor officials do not want Massaro to return to WWE television until the Survivor season has concluded when it runs this fall/winter.

Don't expect Massaro back until January of 2008. Massaro was also telling people that she was going to be doing a WWE film to cover up London's error of leaking the Survivor info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.42.180 (talk • contribs)

Um, no one said that "you guys" were wrong, or that Ashley would not be appearing on Survivor. Wikipedia's threshold for information is verifiability, not truth. The concerns raised here about the information have not been related to whether or not Ashley will be on Survivor, but whether or not there is a credible source that says that she will. As for the information you've listed, I'm having difficulty finding that story at PWInsider, even though a number of wrestling news sites have credited them with the story. Can you provide a link to the source of the information, so that we can determine how credible it is? If the source is similar to the previous one, a site reporting a fan's reporting on his encounter with a wrestler who gave information about another wrestler's non-wrestling career, it will likely not merit inclusion in the article. --Maxamegalon2000 19:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's an article from prowrestling.com. I know next to nothing about wrestling, but our article on Dave Meltzer seems to indicate that his Wrestling Observer Newsletter is a fairly reputable source. I definitely think it's possible for the identity of a contestant to be leaked beforehand to a point that it's verifiable for our purposes; is this enough? --Maxamegalon2000 01:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Online pro wrestling sites basically just shoot in the dark and speculate a LOT. They never cite sources and many of their articles are based on hearsay and "secret sources" and most of their "reporting" is just copying what other sites are saying. Meltzer usually isn't considered a good enough source for wrestling related articles, so I see no reason why that should be any different now. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Several reliable spoiler sites have now confirmed Ashley as a contestant, so I'm adding it. After all, the note at the top of the page says "This article or section contains information about a scheduled upcoming television series. It may contain non-definitive information based on commercials, a website or interviews." Forweg 23:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

That's fine - as long as it's from a reliable "survivor" spoiler site and cited, I'm cool with it. Those that had kept posted it always used the wrestling fanboards or left it uncited, which is why it kept getting removed. --Masem 23:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm unsurprised to see that the edit has already been reverted without much consideration. I strongly disagree with the reason given.

First, they are not "boards". Second, those spoiler sites have a long history of reliability. In fact, Survivor Fever and True Dork Times are probably the two most notable Survivor news sites around. Third, the info is not presented as (nor is required to be) definitive.

Please explain this away, reverter. Forweg 08:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Article's Protection

Why is there a protection template on the page? Someone should get it removed so it can be edited for the results of each episode? User:ScottAHudson

First, we're nowhere close to the premiere of this show, so it's not that we need to be able to edit it yet. However, the current edit protection is due to anonymous IP people that keep wanting to add in this piece about this wrestler that may be on the show based on highly speculative information. To avoid people posting wild speculation, the edit protection has been enabled; once we're close to the show's start date and when the cast will be revealed, the protection will be gone. --Masem 13:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, it is only a semiprot - established registered WP users can edit the page freely. It's protection against anonymous IP, basically. --Masem 13:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The semi-protect is set to expire at Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:06:18 GMT. -- Gogo Dodo 16:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Entertainment Tonight...

I was told by someone that last night it was said on ET that Survivor 15 would be an allstar season. However, I didn't see it myself so I don't know how accurate this info is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.166.76 (talk • contribs)

I still haven't found any reliable sources that the season is an All-Stars 2 season. It's all rumor or third-hand information. -- Gogo Dodo 16:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The person that I heard this from could have seen this: http://www.tvrobot.com/tv/survivorchina/survivor-inland-and-all-star-to-boot/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.166.76 (talk • contribs)

Still too speculative and unreliable. --Masem 20:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Definitely agreed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.166.76 (talk • contribs)

Tribe Names

Are the tribe names listed for the China article true? User:ScottAHudson

It's uncited, so I removed it. -- Gogo Dodo 18:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Its True!

Heck yeah its true

I have the proof:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/6/1244678/survivor.jpg

what ???????? told you i wasn't lying. Please leave me a messege user: polarbear12345

That photo, of course, is from SurvivorFever.net, and I do wonder if it is in fact verifiable enough to include in the article, even if prefaced by "According to an image provided to SurvivorFever.net" and not included in the infobox. --Maxamegalon2000 19:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Uploaded The tribe flag

Hey guys i uploaded the Zhan Hu tribe flag!!!!

User: polarbear12345

Unless you are or have permission from "BlindFreddy", you should not have done so. The image has already been tagged at Wikimedia Commons, and will be deleted in seven days if the license is not corrected. If you are not or do not have permission from "BlindFreddy" to upload the photo, you should probably tag it for speedy deletion before then. --Maxamegalon2000 20:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

CAn you keep the tribe names and colors on this article. It haven't been updated for a while. Please check http://www.unofficialsurvivorguide.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47395. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.131.29 (talk • contribs)

More facts about this season

I want to see more of the article please.

There's not much more we know. It seems to be filming now, but I've seen no spoilers that can be added to Wikipedia. If you really want to know more, you can try a site like Survivor Sucks that does post a lot of spoilers. --Masem 02:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Zahn Hu Flag

What color is the tribe flag? ScottAHudson 14:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Zhan Hu goldish yellowish and I think it has a tiger on it. The other tribe, Fei Long, is red with a dragon on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.166.76 (talk • contribs)

Regarding new information

We know there's information that is being found out through spoilers about this season (like the possibility of that wrestler being in the case, and the color and names of the tribes), but by WP:V, forum boards are not verifiable, even if those of us editing know that in the past these boards have always been correct. Thus, we cannot add information about the tribe colors or flags, or identity of the contestants, until a more reputable source, most likely CBS as they have done in the past about a month before the show airs, reports this information. --Masem 19:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Having the article the same way, as in August 2, 2007, can be BORING!!! Do you like boring? I don't. I hate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.131.29 (talk • contribs)

Well, you are going to have to live with it. Just because it is boring to you does not mean that content should be added, especially if the content is unverifiable or not reliable. I recommend that you just wait for the season to start or when the official CBS Survivor: China website is released. There will be plenty edits by then and I'm sure that you won't be bored. -- Gogo Dodo 03:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Rumoured contestant...

I know it can't go in until a reliable source is found, but one of the rumoured contestants is Amanda Kimmel, Miss Montana USA 2005 and Miss Earth USA 2006. If this is legit, she will be the fourth Miss USA/Miss Teen USA contestant to appear on Survivor (Danni, Janu, Kim Mullen, Misty) PageantUpdater talk • contribs 07:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

If you check TDT, he has the entire cast spoiled, and pictures for 13 of the 16 contestants. However, since nothing is official until the cast announcement, none of them can be used in the article. We can't and shouldn't post speculation and spoilers, only verifiable fact that has been released by CBS, Mark Burnett, or Jeff Probst. StrandedKSig 21:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that makes three rumoured contestants who already have pages, and a fourth who will likely get one as soon as the series airs... I know this isn't a forum, but I hate that more than half of the contestants these days either live in California, are models, or are somehow involved in the entertainment industry. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm with you on that, Scorpion. It's the real people that build the ratings, not the super-pretty or famous ones. ~~ THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 08:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Contestants Announcement

Where on the website does it say that they will be revealed on August 20? ScottAHudson 19:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I was just wondering the same thing, can anyone veryify? Survivorfan101 07:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I looked, it doesn't say a word about any announcement. So I removed it. -- Gogo Dodo 07:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Note to those removing the contestants. Yes, it's not CBS, usually they get there first (historically, it's always the month before the premiere but the official site still lacks this stuff), but TV Guide is the source for these. They are reputable and verifiable and (at least to me) are as good as CBS for this purpose. Please do not remove the table. --Masem 15:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No pictures of the Survivors

What about the pictures of Survivor contestants? It would be boring without those pictures. You know, like putting them on the contestant charts. We used to have them on the charts, but you removed. You like boring? I don't.