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Welcome to my talk page.

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Dirk Beetstra


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I am the main operator of User:COIBot. If you feel that your name is wrongly on the COI reports list because of an unfortunate overlap between your username and a certain link or text, please ask for whitelisting by starting a new subject on my talkpage. For a better answer please include some specific 'diffs' of your edits (you can copy the link from the report page). If you want a quicker response, make your case at WT:WPSPAM or WP:COIN.
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Responding

I will respond to talk messages where they started, trying to keep discussions in one place (you may want to watch this page for some time after adding a question). Otherwise I will clearly state where the discussion will be moved/copied to. Though, with the large number of pages I am watching, it may be wise to contact me here as well if you need a swift response. If I forget to answer, poke me.

I preserve the right not to answer to non-civil remarks, or subjects which are covered in this talk-header.

ON EXTERNAL LINK REMOVAL

There are several discussions about my link removal here, and in my archives. If you want to contact me about my view of this policy, please read and understand WP:NOT, WP:EL, WP:SPAM and WP:A, and read the discussions on my talkpage or in my archives first.

My view in a nutshell:
External links are not meant to tunnel people away from the wikipedia.

Hence, I will remove external links on pages where I think they do not add to the page (per WP:NOT#REPOSITORY and WP:EL), or when they are added in a way that wikipedia defines as spam (understand that wikipedia defines spam as: '... wide-scale external link spamming ...', even if the link is appropriate; also read this). This may mean that I remove links, while similar links are already there or which are there already for a long time. Still, the question is not whether your link should be there, the question may be whether those other links should be there (again, see the wording of the policies and guidelines).

Please consider the alternatives before re-adding the link:

If the link contains information, use the information to add content to the article, and use the link as a reference (content is not 'see here for more information').
Add an appropriate linkfarm (you can consider to remove other links covered there).
Incorporate the information into one of the sister projects.
Add the link to other mediawiki projects aimed at advertiseing (see e.g. this)

If the linkspam of a certain link perseveres, I will not hesitate to report it to the wikiproject spam for blacklisting (even if the link would be appropriate for wikipedia). It may be wise to consider the alternatives before things get to that point.

The answer in a nutshell
Please consider if the link you want to add complies with the policies and guidelines.

If you have other questions, or still have questions on my view of the external link policy, disagree with me, or think I made a mistake in removing a link you added, please poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page. If you absolutely want an answer, you can try to poke the people at WT:EL or WT:WPSPAM on your specific case. Also, regarding link, I can be contacted on IRC, channel [1].

Reliable sources

I convert inline URL's into references and convert referencing styles to a consistent format. My preferred style is the style provided by cite.php (<ref> and <references/>). When other mechanisms are mainly (but not consistently) used (e.g. {{ref}}/{{note}}/{{cite}}-templates) I will assess whether referencing would benefit from the cite.php-style. Feel free to revert these edits when I am wrong.

Converting inline URLs in references may result in data being retrieved from unreliable sources. In these cases, the link may have been removed, and replaced by a {{cn}}. If you feel that the page should be used as a reference (complying with wp:rs!!), please discuss that on the talkpage of the page, or poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page

Note: I am working with some other developers on mediawiki to expand the possibilities of cite.php, our attempts can be followed here and here. If you like these features and want them enabled, please vote for these bugs.

Stub/Importance/Notability/Expand/Expert

I am in general against deletion, except when the page really gives misinformation, is clear spam or copyvio. Otherwise, these pages may need to be expanded or rewritten. For very short articles there are the different {{stub}} marks, which clearly state that the article is to be expanded. For articles that do not state why they are notable, I will add either {{importance}} or {{notability}}. In my view there is a distinct difference between these two templates, while articles carrying one of these templates may not be notable, the first template does say the article is probably notable enough, but the contents does not state that (yet). The latter provides a clear concern that the article is not notable, and should probably be {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}ed. Removing importance-tags does not take away the backlog, it only hides from attention, deleting pages does not make the database smaller. If you contest the notability/importance of an article, please consider adding an {{expert-subject}} tag, or raise the subject on an appropriate wikiproject. Remember, there are many, many pages on the wikipedia, many need attention, so maybe we have to live with a backlog.

Having said this, I generally delete the {{expand}}-template on sight. The template is in most cases superfluous, expansion is intrinsic to the wikipedia (for stubs, expansion is already mentioned in that template).

My bad

Whoops, thanks for catching this. Peace, delldot talk 02:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 09:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

wrong removal of external link

Dear Beetstra, thank you very much for watching the actions going on Wikipedia following your note on my "my talk" about the article khanqah, i would like to mention that i don't think the link i had provided was a non-related link, due to the fact that the link directs to a gallery which shows Haruniyeh an example of Khanqah's in Iran

and another issue i would like to discuss is if it is wrong to add the photo gallery links in to articles which are related to each other? if it is wrong, can i instead upload some of my related photos with my own watermark, due to the fact that i don't want to lose my photos copyrights? thanks Aryobarzan 16:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think my linkremovals were wrong. You were adding links only to a site you are affiliated with. As we are writing an encyclopedia, not a linkfarm, these links seemed not necessary, especially with your COI. I would suggest you discuss the matter on the talkpages, and, when consensus is reached, an independent editor can add the links for you.

I don't know if you can upload pictures and keep the copyright, I think you will have to see what is asked behind wikipedias upload facility, and use the correct notifiers. Hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 17:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry if i made any trouble for you, though i would like to mention that it was all unintentionally, another question which remains about adding the photos, is, if it is ok to add the photos with a watermark(which contains my name or website) on it? i am asking this question because i couldn't find any related rule on this matter. :) Aryobarzan 18:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I don't know. I would expect some people would have a problem with that, as it is a form of promotional linking. Hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 12:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to COIBot...

My name was on the "Myspace profile spam" thingy. Any idea why? I'll leave the same message on COIbot's talk page. jj137^Talk 23:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, nevermind, I know why now. When I reverted an edit, I didn't pay close attention and it went back to a Myspace page. jj137 23:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jj137 (talk • contribs).

Things on COIBots' monitor list are links that we monitor for adding, but which are not 'bad' enough for automatic reversal (user:AntiSpamBot) or blacklisting. I have removed myspace again, the additions are mainly good additions, it may get on the list again when it gets actively spammed. Hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 13:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:VAwebteam/COIN archive

Hello, Beetstra ... just wondering if you've check on VAwebteam (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) lately ... I think that they have become a Responsible Contributor. :-)

Happy Editing! —72.75.96.83 (talk · contribs) 00:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 72.75.96.83, indeed. S/He is doing remarkable work now. I guess a good example for other librarians/archive-owners! --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 09:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

August 2007

Welcome to Wikipedia. An article you recently created, Sujan Singh Meena, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new articles, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do and please read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. Mendors 10:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I salted that page. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've just worked out what happened. I'm using TW and I'd used it to add a CSD tat to the Sujan Singh Meena. It then opened this page for the warning, possibly as it had been updated / first created (via the salting) by yourself. I apologise for the confusion / warning on the wrong page.--Mendors 10:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was indeed in the process of deleting it (for the second time ..) .. No worries, all is OK now, I was just on my way to check upon the user. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disulfiram

Hi Dirk

Thanks for the feedback. I have read the COI page and I agree that offering a link to Zenics Medical could represent a COI. The research has been published in the journal Addiction in December 2006 - what is your advice? The reason for removing the link to the manufacturers website is that it's a bad link. I tried to find an update but they don't seem to have one.

--Rmf150 13:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks. Hmm .. I will comment out the original link (did not check whether it was working). Since you do seem knowledgeable about the subject, may I ask you tohelp us improve the content of the article? Cheers. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 15:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding ImgSTAR

Regarding ImgSTAR. There were many spelling and description errors. Now everything is corrected. I did not intend to span. Thank You for you help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ImgSTAR (talk • contribs) 18:08, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Still, your page is blatantly advertising, and you have a COI. The page is now salted. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 18:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MSG

Why did you remove my info about commercial dry cleaning in 'Commercialization' section of MSG? It was used for dry cleaning long before anyone thought of using it as a food enhancer/preservative.

(email address archived to page history to prevent indexing --Versageek 20:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krzxbleach (talk • contribs) 20:15, August 29, 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I did not, it was Rifleman 82. But I think what he did was correct, as, as you also stated yourself, the statement was far from complete, and did not contain any references or similar information. Hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 20:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the message, I was unaware I was unable to post them links on the Nick's reference page. I have suggested them in the talk page.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by PWMAndy (talk • contribs) 16:05, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 16:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Beetstra,

I have posted an link to the Quentin Tarantino Gemzies on The Quentin Tarantino Wiki. In my opinion is this a great addition to this Wiki, because it provides a great archive of video's, books, pictures, blogs and websites.

Could you please reconsider your removal on the The Quentin Tarantino Wiki.

Thanks!

Kind Regards,

Marcel van Brienen marcelvanbrienen@gmail.com