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September 11

Quoting

What are the guidelines for quoting a book within a Wikipedia article and what is the correct Wiki formatting to use when doing so?

Icosahedron 00:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Icosahedron

Guidelines can be found at citing sources. There are different formats set forth there from which you might choose. :) Linked from within that page is a list of citation templates that might be helpful, and there is a page of examples. Hope that helps. --Moonriddengirl 00:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

TO Icosahedron: You should quote as little from the book as possible, only what is needed to illustrate your point. Most of the information in an article should be in your own words. To add the reference, use the {{cite book}} template enclosed in <ref></ref> tags. See WP:CITE and WP:FOOT for more details. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both to Moonriddengirl and Hersfold - very useful Icosahedron 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Icosahedron

Sending pictures

can i send picture thru this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngmary (talk • contribs) 00:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

TO Ngmary: I'm not quite sure what you mean. Can you rephrase your question in a new section? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Garlows deletion

My article about the Garlows was deleted for copyright infringement. I also had a external link. I removed the link but the page is still deleted. I am the originator of the story, the pictures and the website of which the referance is made. How do I get my story about the Garlows replaced. Too much work to try to do over from scratch If its gone for good, I won't try to rebuild it. The garlow story is about americana that has been largely overlooked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemetianmotif (talk • contribs) 00:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials#Granting us permission to copy material already on line. If you give the required permission to use your website, you can request undeletion of Garlows. For example at User talk:ST47, the administrator who deleted it. I haven't seen the article and don't know whether the content is otherwise appropriate for Wikipedia, for example with repsect to Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Verifiability. PrimeHunter 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Attempted Retention Process/Policy

Greetings, I have not looked into this before, so here goes. Currently our deletion policy makes it far to easy to nominate an article for deletion[1] when all it actually needs is some love. All articles should first go through an "attempted retention" process. Here is my idea but I don't know how to start a new piece of policy.

All articles that do not qualify for speedy delete would need to go through the following process before they are allowed to go for a AfD.

Fix it - Can you fix it? Does it needs sources? Have you tagged it as such?

Yes? Then Fix it!

No? Merge - Can this article be merged with its parent topic? Can a group of articles be merged into one?

Yes? Commence the merge process!

No? - TransWiki Can we move this to another wiki with a compatable licence?

Yes? Move it then!

No? Delete - Commence the Deletion process.

Comments? Suggestions? Help? - Fosnez 00:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Italic text

There are at least two initiatives to try and improve articles rather than delete them. Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron and Wikipedia:Intensive Care Unit. You might like to join them, and discuss with them about changing policy as you'll find other like minded people there. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 02:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

New policies can be suggested at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). PrimeHunter 02:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. I am a member of Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron and have placed this item at the village pump Fosnez 02:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I wrote some random gibberings at: User:Teratornis/Outplacement about possibly organizing an effort to "outplace" some of our deleted articles with other wikis that would want them. I use "outplacement" because "transwiki" seems to refer to moving articles to other Wikimedia Foundation wikis, and that barely scratches the surface of available wikis. From what I gather, outplacement seems to be an underused option, judging from the many people who find their way to the Help desk to ask Why was my article deleted? In many cases the victims aren't aware of other wikis suitable for their articles, and the people who deleted their articles did not inform them of this possibility. It seems there is a gap in the information flow between deletionists and those they "serve." I would like to help invent a way to close this gap. --Teratornis 02:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, let me ask you this. Just perusing the list of today's AfD nominations (not counting the redlinks of articles which were speedy deleted already), tell me how your proposal would apply to:

• Boony doll
• Film on Thursday
• Neighborhood Planning Unit W
• Suburban Reptiles Corvus cornix 16:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak for Fosnez, but the Film on Thursday article, for example, is a possible candidate for outplacement to a hospitable wiki. Someone should tell the creator of the article to try another wiki if Wikipedia deletes the article. But what seems to happen normally is that nobody tells the article's creator about that option. --Teratornis 17:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Gailer School article

Dear Wikipedia folks,--Chauc 00:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I happened upon an article today that is about a school that I founded and have kept an eye on over the last six years during which I have been working as a professor of education (and no longer associated with the school). There seems to be a troubled person with an axe to grind attempting to bring down the school's reputation via the Wikipedia. Some specifics:

"Harry Chaucer, a disaffected former high school teacher". I am Harry Chaucer. I was not disaffected. This is someone else's value judgment and does not belong in an encyclopedic article.

"an emphasis that contrasts with the more multi-cultural approaches found in most progressive schools". My son remained at Gailer until this fall. His study was multi-cultural included trips to the Dominican Republic, the entire school learning Spanish for six years, books from other cultures etc.

"all of which may have constituted "progressive" pedagogy at one time but are now mainstream even in public schools. The school has notably not achieved accreditation by any national, state, or regional agency." Two problems here. I work in public schools each week. Sadly, few of these progressive ideas mainstream today. Regarding accreditation, this is the most egregious error. Gailer was fully approved by the State of Vermont in 1989 and remains approved today (see Department of Education website listing of approved Vermont Independent Schools). See http://education.vermont.gov/new/pdfdoc/pgm_independent/directory_020807.pdf for the DOE listing.

"however in the wake of continuing financial troubles and mismanagement, it relocated to rented quarters at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Middlebury, Vermont, a move which brought about a significant loss of both faculty members and students and also engendered much opposition from parents. The school has faced many problems, including bullying amongst the student body, charges of discrimination against minorities, board interference with the day-to-day running of the school, and financial mismanagement. Late in 2006 the head of school suddenly resigned and left in the middle of the school year. Gailer's loss of talented teachers and students has been rapid, and the school's enrollment is now roughly half what it was only two years ago." This paragraph is full of personal judgments that do not belong in a fair-minded and objective reference.

This person seems to have a personal grudge. Gailer is no longer my school - I chose to work in a college setting many years ago. However, my sense of fair play demands that I write to you and ask you to somehow block this person's efforts.

Thanks very much.

Harry Chaucer Professor of Education Director, the Woodruff Institute for School Leaders Director, ACT II post-baccalaureate Program Castleton State College

I have restored an earlier version of the article, from before Leonardodv started editing, and I have asked him to cite sources for any information he adds. If he continues to add unsourced information, he may be blocked.--Werdan7^{T @} 01:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

New user wants to add pages edited anonymously to "my contributions"

I edited an article several times before signing up as a user. How can I add those anonymously edited pages to "my contributions"

Scotwriter 04:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You can't. They belong to the IP address that made them. -- kainaw™ 04:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

But you can link to the IP address on your userpage and say that all edits before X date were yours. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 05:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Relating to my contribution list. There is a M inserted to it. What's that means? Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 04:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The bold m means a minor edit. --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 04:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

tagging

I wrote an article for The Mary Baker Eddy Library, and I don't know how to tag it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simplywater (talk • contribs) 05:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Tag, meaning to make a tag like

{{cleanup}} (not likely), {{expand}}, or on talk pages like {{WikiProject Japan}} --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 05:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You can find the templates at [[Category:Template categories]]. The second kind, you can find at the project page of the projects, which care for the subject. For example, if you have an article about a Catholic church in Japan, you look at Wikipedia:WikiProject JapanWikipedia:WikiProject Architecture and Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism.--Thw1309 09:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Can I use Wikipedia Commons images that are in the public domain in a commercial item to sell?

I've looked everywhere and can't find exactly what I am looking for.

If I know that an image in Wikipedia Commons is in the US public domain for certain, and it is also marked as such, may I copy that image and use it in an item to sell? For example a T-shirt? Or a CD? Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.241.132 (talk) 05:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. --tjstrf talk 05:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You may want to verify whether that image is indeed "in the US public domain for certain" ... and make absolutely sure before you begin your entrepreneurial endeavors. Many users mistakenly assume an image is "public domain" when it is in fact distributed under a creative commons attribution sharealike license. That is not the same thing as "public domain".

If you are absolutely certain about the "public domain" status, and you go ahead with your business venture, you might also want to consider adopting a business plan that makes appropriate recognition of the source of your business assets, and allocate a percentage of your revenue accordingly. dr.ef.tymac 07:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all very much. Great info and great ideas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.241.132 (talk) 15:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Didn't anyone remember that we aren't supposed to offer legal advice? It depends on the picture and the use. All we can say is that free images can be reused. The specific reuse and specific caveats for a pictures (eg. personality rights or moral rights) may need an intellectual property lawyer to answer the question. Carcharoth 16:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're selling things there are all kinds of issues to think about that Wikipedia doesn't get involved in. If the image involves a person there are rights of privacy and publicity. If there is copyrighted content anywhere in the image (not just the image itself) there could be a lurking copyright issue that's more important for a commercial use. If the image involves a recognizable word, thing, product, etc., you have to consider trademark issues -- using a picture of an apple (the fruit or the computer) in order to sell computers could be a problem. There are laws relating to advertising practices, can't show a picture of a nice steak to sell fake meat. Those are a few obvious ones. Being on the commons doesn't mean it's possible to use for any purpose without considering legal implications, just that whoever put it on the commons thinks it has no copyright. Wikidemo 22:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Heidi Montag

her webpage has some really nasty language in it, but the code is hidden so people can't remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.57.205 (talk) 09:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, and thank you for reporting that vandalism. I have removed the last 2 edits that were indeed very nasty. I'm a little confused about where "the code is hidden"? There seems to be nothing nasty buried in the mark-up. Can you clarify that so I can help further? Pedro |  Chat  10:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

HELP

What is the defination of susceptible host —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.25.59 (talk) 13:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions related to using Wikipedia. You may have more luck asking at one of the reference desks. Leebo ^T/C 14:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

And be sure to specify what the susceptible host is susceptible to, because your question as you worded it is ambiguous. For example, you might be talking about biological parasites, diseases, or computer viruses. See: Host (biology), Host (network), Host (psychology), and the Host disambiguation page. --Teratornis 17:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox

1. How do I create and use the sandbox?

2. How can I create a named subpage for my user page (e.g., userpage/subtopic). Someone created one for me a while back but I can't find it and can't make another.

Timothy Perper 14:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Timothy. Please don't use the {{helpme}} tag on this page, it's for requesting help at your talk page. You can create a sandbox or other user page by creating a link like User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox. Leebo ^T/C 14:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Timothy, and thanks for your questions. To create a personal sand box go to your User page (or talk page). Edit it and type (for the User Page) [[User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox]]. Save the page and you will see it's redlinked. By then clicking the red link you can edit it as you wish. When you save it the link will turn blue from your user page. Is that okay, or would you like me to do if for you for the first time?Pedro |  Chat  14:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Further is User:Timothy Perper/Baku (spirit) the previous sub page you were after ? Pedro |  Chat  14:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You have a user subpage at User:Timothy Perper/Baku (spirit). "the sandbox" usually refers to the common sandbox at Wikipedia:Sandbox. You can either use this (which will quickly be overwritten) or create your own sandbox. PrimeHunter 14:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How to add a company to a category?

Hi,

I would like to add a company to the category /Transportation/Car Rental

How to do so?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emaurer (talk • contribs) 14:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Emaurer. Does the company already have an article? The article needs to exist before it can be added to the category. If so, could you advise which company it is? Thanks! Pedro |  Chat  14:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)Hi, Emaurer. Category pages are not static pages that you can edit directly. They are created automatically by the database by collecting the list of all articles containing the category tag. For instance, if a company contains the tag Category:Transportation, it will appear in that category. You can add an article to that category by placing the category near the bottom of the article. Leebo ^T/C 14:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is not a web directory. If you want to add the URL for a company without an article then find another site, for example http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Portugal/Transportation/Car_Rentals/ PrimeHunter 14:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks Pedro. How to add an article? Or how to add an article to the category?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emaurer (talk • contribs) 15:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Emaurer. See Wikipedia:Your first article for help on starting an article. As above, to categorise the article add the category at the bottom of the page - see this page for a bit more and some useful links. Also - please remember that you should sign your name on talk pages if you can. Just type four tildes ( ~~~~) at the end of your question or comment. Pedro |  Chat  15:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

font type

my font has been chane to some wierd fancy type font while everything still appears normal only the text in wiki is weird looking and hard to read any fix for this172.163.177.17 14:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you have an account and the problem is only there when you are logged in then try going to Special:Preferences and change skin. PrimeHunter 15:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If the problem appears when logged out, see if bypassing your cache sorts it. --ais523 16:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Listing the names of September 11 attacks victims

Can someone list all the names of September 11 victims so we can see who was killed that day. That day will never be forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.27.179 (talk) 15:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a memorial site, but we link to memorial sites at 9/11#Memorials_2. PrimeHunter 16:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Creating content/conflict of interest

To whom it may concern. I uploaded a page explaining who I am as an artist with a short biography. In it I directed interested parties to visit my website to hear music. I've been to many pages on musicians & they all have way more informationi & full hot links to their specific websites. Why has my page been deleted when literally hundreds if not thousands of like pages already exist? Austin Donohue callofisis@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by AustinDonohue (talk • contribs) 15:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Austin. Sorry to hear you are frustrated by the deletion of your page. The difference you may not be recognizing with your page is that you created it for the purpose of promoting yourself. This violates our neutral point of view policy. If you are notable, someone else may create an article about you. Other musicians did not create their own articles, or they'd be violating the same policies.Leebo ^T/C 15:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Inserting an Image

I'd like to suggest adding an image to the definition of photogrammetric parallax. The image I have in mind can be found on Google Earth. If you enter "Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, NV" in the search cell, then zoom in on the hotel you will be close to the image I have in mind. If you move to the west, across the street from the Hilton you will see the Turnberry Towers under construction. What's unique and exemplary about this image is the appearance of four towers, all appearing to lean in different directions, yet if you look at their shadows you can clearly see that the buildings are parallel and vertical on the z plane, though at angles to one another on the xy plane.

I don't know if Google would allow you to use their imagery for this example, but I think it would be a real eye-catcher for this definition.

Thanks for considering my suggestion.

Cheers, 67.77.148.135 16:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that suggestion; it is quite insightful and would probably be a great encyclopedic addition. I have a suggestion, since I also don't know if a Google Earth version is feasible. Perhaps you or someone else could draw a version of it with simplified buildings, either on paper or with a computer program. That should solve the copyright problem. Leebo ^T/C 16:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What is going on here

A long time ago, I created an account, and for a while, I haven't used it. But now when I put in my username and password, it gives me an error message. Have I been kicked out, or has my account been deleted? And if so, why? I just wish to get things cleared up. Also, I ended up creating a new acount with the same name, but then it gets me the same error message when I try to log back in. But now that I think about it, the e-mail address for my account has changed.

Signed formerly known as Neo Guyver September 11, 2007 at 11:43 AM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.50.68 (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you were User:Neo Guyver, you asked a question about getting a new email address. Did you ever do that? Did you ever change your password? Can you have a password sent to your current email? Leebo ^T/C 16:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How to add to an existing biography

There is now avery short paragraph on a prominent person. Editing does not seem practical since what I have in mind will take many pages (life history, accomplishment, etc). I assume my offer is not considered a NEW article since the name is alrady in your data base. How do I approch this? Hummelswi 17:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome to edit the article. If what you're planning is a very large edit, you may want to draft up your revisions on a user subpage first, then copy the text into the article. Just make sure that any information you add is in accordance with all of our policies. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding footnotes to Wolf's Head Society article

I've attempted to add footnotes to the article with the additions editing completely the remainder of the article. I've added two footnotes to the section preceding History, but when attempting other footnotes, that section of the article displays a "preview" minus the original text. What keystrokes are necessary to add easily the footnotes.64.61.144.67 17:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Sly111

I think you're looking for this help page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Citing a DVD commentary

Are there any Wikipedia guidelines for citing a DVD commentary? A Streetcar Named Marge uses the {{cite video}} template, but the results don't look right. We have to put too much information into the "title" field. Zagalejo^ 19:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one of these can help you. --Thw1309 20:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't think any of those are really designed for audio commentaries. Does the MLA have any guidelines for situations like this? Zagalejo^ 21:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a name to the "Fantasy Artists" catagory.

I can't figure out how to edit the catagories to add a name to the list of fantasy artists located there. When I clicked the edit button, there wasn't anything to edit. How do I add an artist name there?

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frivilousity (talk • contribs) 20:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Frivilousity. Category pages aren't static pages that can be edited manually. That page is compiled by the database from all articles that contain the text [[Category:Fantasy artists]]. To add a name to the list, the category must be added to an existing article. If no article exists, the name can't be added. Leebo ^T/C 20:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You have to add the category to the article. This means, you look for an article about the artist, you want to be included of if this article does not exist, you have to write it. At the end of the article, you write [[Category:Fantasy artists]]. This shows, that the article is part of this category. The category will appear at the end of the article and the article´s name in the list of this category. --Thw1309 20:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Also see: Help:Category. --Teratornis 20:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Point of interest

Hi, we have serious problem. Somebody keeps deleting our link, almost every day! Please can you block them or can you give us some advice, what can we do?

It is happening here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_interest#External_links Our link is: GPS-Support, Thousands Points of Interest (POI) and Speed Camera Alerts/Speed Traps records FOR FREE. STOP DELETE THIS LINK!!!

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.160.47.153 (talk) 20:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Such links are not acceptable on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor a venue for advertisements. When such links are inserted, vigilant editors remove them, and will continue to do so. That is not a problem, it is a feature of the project. --Orange Mike 20:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

help on everything

I wanted to add a person to the Oakland Chinatown notable persons category and wrote up what I thought was an article. It was tagged for deletion. Why? I don't know. This author and writer is a noted journalist and writer who is already noted several times in the Oakland, Chinatown pages and so I added him to the notable persons list. What's the problem with that. Go to his other sites yellowjournalist.com or oaklandchinatownhistory.org or CCH pages where he is mentioned as a grant recipient.

Also, I wasn't able to figure out how to make my entry look like the other ones. This was not an easy process. I was trying to add to the vital information of the area, but there was no real help along the way, and now I'm both frustrated and upset. Joyce Mende Wong 20:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you'll have to check if the person satisfies the conditions listed in WP:BIO. If it satisfies it, start writing an article. If you don't know how to start, take a look here. Note that as a rule of thumb you don't have to re-create most of the good looking stuff ;), for istance, I think you were referring to the "infobox" many people have. To create it, we have what we call "templates". Learning how to use those is easy, just pick the code from the article of a person who already has that and fill properly the right fields (a template name is included in parenthesis like this -> {{ <template name> }}). Don't forget that biographies of living people have to be strongly supported by references, or are likely to be deleted. --Outspan [talk · contribs] 21:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

But the most intelligent way to learn how to use templates is, after you've identified the name of one, go to en.wikipedia.org/Template:<temp name>, edit the page. This way you see all the parameters you can put in there. Occasionally (why just occasionally and not always??) templates are documented directly in that page so you don't have to look at the code. -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 21:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Why just occasionally (do some templates have documentation)? Because Wikipedians are diverse. Some editors who create templates think documenting them is important, and some do not. However, anybody can document a template that isn't currently documented, so we would expect that over time, if the number of new templates does not increase to fast, eventually the people who like to document things will get around to most of the undocumented templates. (You could be one of them, of course.) --Teratornis 01:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was actually thinking about it. It's not hard at all, you just have to look at the code and kind of list in the template page all possible parameters in a nice way, possibly providing a preview. Yet I have to figure out whether I can do it the way I want to and whether the results will be satisfying and make templates significantly more usable; if so I'll spend some time doing that ;) -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 11:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Note to Joyce Mende Wong: Wikipedia can be an upsetting place at first. It looks so easy to create new articles, but then you run into all these perplexing policies and guidelines you didn't know about. That's why it's usually better to spend a few months editing the existing articles that need work, before trying to create your own new articles. But of course Wikipedia makes it easy to create new articles, without making sure you know about all the pitfalls first. Anyway, you mentioned: "I wasn't able to figure out how to make my entry look like the other ones." Can you give us the titles of some of those "other ones"? Then we can advise you on how to make your article look like them. If those "other ones" are part of a WikiProject, that WikiProject might have a style guide you can follow. Also see: WP:LAYOUT and WP:INFOBOX. --Teratornis 01:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you gone through the tutorial? That's a good place to start.--Orange Mike 21:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

talk pages

Hi, I was trying to start a new article so I added a few lines but I was immediately warned and my content was deleted. However, someone asked to verify that I really did want to start an article to which I checked yes. How do I talk to that person, or any of you people for that matter? Vancinator17 20:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you go to a user's user page and click the "Discussion" tab, it will take you to their talk page. Is that what you wanted to know or were you looking for a specific person? Leebo ^T/C 20:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The article Berens River School needs some expansion and reasons why it is notable. User:FisherQueen has replied on the talkpage and has changed the tag. Try and provide some reliable sources. Ask here again or on my talk page if you have problems adding information. Woodym555 22:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

request for poker editor

Hello,

I work with site that has a lot of poker content and I think some of the content on the site could be a valuable contribution to poker articles that appear on Wikipedia. As I am new to the process, I would like to contact the editor who manages the poker content to make sure our contribution is within the Wikipedia guidelines.

Thank you Kossflavour Kossflavour 21:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I would leave a note on the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker. This is a collection of editors who have shown in interest in editing poker related articles. Hope this helps. Woodym555 22:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, Kossflavour, and welcome to Wikipedia. I invite you to read the introduction to Wikipedia to gain a greater understanding of how the collaborative editing community works. There isn't a single individual in charge of a topic, but rather many editors working together on small parts of the articles. That said, WikiProject Poker might be a good place to start. Leebo ^T/C 22:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a content box template

We are new to wikipedia, have read some of the issues about template, fustrating.

Is there some place we can find about inserting content box to a page.

Thank you Grandlarousse 22:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

To include a template to a page, type the name of the template in curly braces, {{like this}}. Most infoboxes, which I think is what you're referring to as a "content box", have additional instructions on how to use them on their pages, such as Template:Infobox Person. For more information, see Help:Template. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking at Seychelles community in EU, which needs a great deal of formatting, I think you're referring to tables when you say "content box". Does the info on tables help you? Leebo ^T/C 22:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo you both, Thank you for the advice. Leebo we did not mean table, still thank you we meant infobox content(hide) or content(hide) infobox. we are using british english. Can any of you guide us to ready made wikipedia template. Thank you !! (The wife is getting angry 5 hrs wasted already) 90.240.21.48 10:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This is what we have been trying as basic example.

Contents:	hide	1 History 2 Seychelles 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Even though you say you mean Infobox, it doesn't seem like that's what you mean. That thing you posted above is a table. Wait a minute... do you mean you want to create a custom Table of Contents? I'm not sure why you'd need to link to other pages in your table of contents though. Leebo ^T/C 13:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The table of contents (TOC) automatically appears if a page has more than three section headings. No template or other code is required. You can force a TOC to appear with fewer headings by placing __TOC__ (two underscores on each side). See more at Help:Section. PrimeHunter 13:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Seychelles community in EU has no TOC because there are no section headings in Wikipedia format. Just replace

----

European Origins

with

== European Origins ==

and so on (use more = for subsections). The TOC will appear automatically. PrimeHunter 14:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you it is working.

Grandlarousse 15:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Code

Is there somewhere I can get help with code? Im having some trouble with <div> divesions.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 22:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What about them is causing you trouble? Arky ^¡Hablar! 23:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Click Here. The problem is the third box in the first row, where its "leaking" out over the division, and I cant for the life of my figure out why.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 02:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Any thoughts?
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 01:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Still blocked to upload a new article

This is what I get when trying to resolve this frustrating block:

"This IP address is that of an AOL web proxy which now sends X-Forwarded-For headers to the Wikimedia Foundation. No further edits should originate from this IP address. For more information, please see Wikipedia:AOL.

If you are an AOL user editing from this IP address, please email an administrator to have the problem corrected. Note that this IP address has been indefinitely blocked, so you will not be able to edit from this address."

A second message, from Orange Mike advises me that the UK Liberal Democrat Freinds of Palesine may not meet notability rules in other words it is not ;famous' enough.

Please be assured that as an offical Affiliated Organsiation of the UK Liberal Democrat Party (which is in Wikipedia) it is at the forefront of UK Middle East policy making.

And when i try to e-mail someone who has left me a message I try to e-mail them but am told i can;t because I'm not logged in - even though i am! I am going round in circles and can't find a resolution will someone please help.

Thank you

'patriote' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriote (talk • contribs) 22:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You say "in other words it is not ;famous' enough". That's not accurate. Please review the notability criteria. You have to assert that a subject has been the focus of reliable sources. It says nothing about fame. Sorry I can't help with your other issues. Leebo ^T/C 23:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== Editing Problem - Lalla Ward ==

Folks, weird one. I am trying to edit the Lalla Ward article, but none of my edits are saved. There are no edit conflicts or anything like that. I only see this problem with this one article -- I can edit others with no problem. Any ideas? Thanks! --ukexpat 16:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Moved to 9/12 - --ukexpat 17:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

September 12

Can't view images

When I use Wikipedia the pictures no longer appear. This is not the case for other Web sites. It just seemed to start happening when I go to Wikipedia. Am I the only one with this problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inklebarger (talk • contribs) 00:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You may not be the only one with this problem, but images are working fine for me (and probably for most people viewing Wikipedia just now). This problem comes up on the Help desk from time to time. It may be because you accidentally did something to tell your Web browser to stop loading images from Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Problems FAQ and Wikipedia:Browser notes. --Teratornis 01:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

For example, in Firefox you can select Tools | Options | Content, and manually block images from any Web site you specify. There may be some way to accidentally set that option for a site you are viewing (for example, Wikipedia) by bumping keys on your keyboard (or letting your cat walk across the keyboard, etc.). Check your browser settings to make sure you don't have images blocked for Wikipedia. --Teratornis 01:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

On some occasions, people have had problems because the way images are stored has resulted in some of them having URLs containing /ad/, which as you might guess can be interpreted by a content filter as being an image for an advertisement, which it then blocks. If there is an image that doesn't appear for you, can you right click on it, click on "Properties" and see if that is the case? Confusing Manifestation 02:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You can also try purging your cache. to fix it. --Hdt83 ^Chat 04:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

THANKS! I CHECKED THE OPTIONS ON FIREFOX AND THE IMAGES WERE BLOCKED. WEIRD. THANKS AGAIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inklebarger (talk • contribs) 00:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

= Discussion Page Link Faulty (I think)

(This question is complex enough that I don't know how to search for an answer to it.)

I was on a page and I wanted to go to the Discussion Page for it, I clicked Discussion, and got the Talk page for a related page instead of the Talk Page for the page I was on in the first place.

Specifically, I was on the Spontaneous Combustion page, clicked Discussion, and got the "Talk:Spontaneous Combustion disambiguation page.

I realize the Spontaneous Combustion page and the Spontaneous Combustion disambiguation page are related, but aren't they supposed to have separate Talk pages? I'm not sure if there is a wrong link or if I'm doing something wrong. Help please.

Second question, since Talk page and Discussion page seem to be the same thing, why use two different names? Just curious. Thank you.

Wanderer57 00:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The Talk:Spontaneous combustion page is a redirect to Talk:Spontaneous combustion (disambiguation). To see the redirect page itself, click here. See Help:Redirect to learn how redirects work. As to why Talk:Spontaneous combustion is a redirect, check the page history. I can't make sense of the edit summary, so you would probably have to ask the user who did that (User:Clicketyclack). In my opinion, redirecting the talk page of an article that is itself not a redirect is, shall we say, undesirable because of the obvious potential for confusing people. It's pretty confusing just to write what's going on with that page.

As to your second question, as far as I have been able to tell, "talk page" and "discussion page" are the same thing (see: Help:Talk page), and if so, this would be an instance of what I call "synonym disease." Synonym disease is an ergonomic shortcoming, because it burdens the new user's short term memory with a meaningless detail: the new user must waste scarce mental resources determining that two different words mean exactly the same thing, rather than two different things as one would tend to expect. In a well-designed system, there is a one-to-one correspondence between terms and features (or functions). That is, for each "thing" in a well-designed system, there is one and only one unique term for it. I used to think that "page" and "article" constituted another instance of synonym disease, but then I learned that "page" and "article" are not the same: every article is a page, but not every page is an article. See WP:WIAA to learn about the difference. --Teratornis 01:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I should add that once a new user has become an experienced user, instances of synonym disease have moved into long term memory and therefore no longer seem to be a problem. This is one reason why experienced users of any technology (or language, social convention, etc.) don't generally get too upset about the various inconsistencies, exceptions, and other bits of complexity-inflating untidiness that make their knowledge harder for the novice to learn (look at the horrendously non-phonemic spelling in the English language not to mention all the irregular verbs, but do experienced English speakers want to clean up their inherited mess? No way). Since long term memory appears to be effectively unlimited, in contrast to short term memory which is exceedingly scarce, the functional difference between an experienced user and a novice is fundamental and vast. Experienced users typically exert the most influence on the further evolution of a system, and thus the system tends to evolve in directions that favor the experienced users (giving them more power and flexibility based on ever-increasing complexity) rather than the novices (making the system easier to comprehend using only short term memory). Check out the Editor's index for an interesting (or somewhat appalling, depending on your point of view) overview of the current state of Wikipedia's internal complexity. --Teratornis 15:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

How to tag\mark a page suspected as containing commercial substance

Hello...

The page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quench , at the "External links" section contains a link referring to a commercial company, how if at all, should I mark the page as "suspected as containing commercial substance" ???

yar

Yar2 00:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Normally, you'd add {{cleanup-spam}} to the top of the article, but I'd just remove it, since the user who added it has already created an article about the company in the link that was deleted because it was promotional. I say be bold and take it out of the article. Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 00:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

pre-empting an edit war

There are two (possibly three) users who are getting into an edit war in domesticated hedgehog over the external links. All three are new, so this is a matter of ignorance, not a true edit war. I've explained on their talk pages nicely and sternly that they must use Talk:Domesticated hedgehog to discuss the issue and come to consensus instead of repeatedly reverting each other. Because I feel that they are ignoring their talk pages, I do not think that this will help. What is the next step? I don't like the idea of blocking users because they simply don't know what to do. One was already blocked because I couldn't find any other way to get her to stop and read her talk page. Should the article be temporarily protected? -- kainaw™ 00:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You should probably go ahead and report this at the administrators' incident noticeboard. If you think the page ought to be protected, list it at requests for page protection. GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 08:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

See: WP:EIW#Conten for links to pages that describe everything an editor could want to know about content disputes (other than how to win them, I suppose). --Teratornis 15:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Mumbai Suburban Rail Network

Hi,

I was wondering if you can send me a copy of the Mumbai Suburban Rail Network which you have in your pages titled Mumbai Suburban Railway as an image.

I tried to look at the same elsewhere but its not available and neither can I either copy or extract the image. You can alternatively send me the address/url of the image that can be downloadable or further delved into. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgang (talk • contribs) 01:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It is an image. It is a Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) format image. Chances are, you are using a web browser that is not capable of viewing SVG images and/or you don't have a program that can open and view an SVG image. See the SVG article for a list of web browsers that support SVG and a list of applications that work with SVG images. -- kainaw™ 01:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It sounds to me like Pgang can view the image at Mumbai Suburban Railway but cannot save it to the harddisk. What is your browser? Try right clicking on the image and select a point called save image or something like that. Here is a direct link to the image in SVG format: http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg. Here are direct links to the image in PNG format with different sizes: http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg/180px-Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg.png (small), http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg/588px-Mumbai_suburban_rail_map.svg.png (large). Do you still have problems? PrimeHunter 02:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Images deleted

Several images along with the article Garlows have been deleted. I am the author and originator of all images and the article, Garlows. After learning that an external link in Garlow was inappropriate. I immediatly removed it. I don't understand why the images were deleted. All of the work is mine. Nothing copied from any where that is not mine. Can you fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemetianmotif (talk • contribs) 01:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Glancing at your talk page, it appears you didn't copyright tags to your pictures without that its impossible to know if you own the rights to the picture or took it from someone else. Wikipedia can not legally take pictures from other websites. According to your talk page you took photos from [2], without written permission, Wikipedia is not allowed to post such pictures. Hopefully that helps explain it better. Tell me if you're still confused. Thanks --Mr.crabby (Talk) 02:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Template that automatically adds to category

How do I make a template automatically add an article on whose talk page it has been transcluded to a category? A.Z. 03:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, I'm assuming you're saying how to make a template that will add a category to a talk page when the template is transcluded? --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 04:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, this is not possible. You can have the template add the talk page to a category (lots and lots of templates do this), but having a template on a talk page affect the categorization of the article is entirely different. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

If you put the below coding into a template any pages with that template transcluded into it will automatically be added to the category.

<includeonly>[[Category:???????]]</includeonly>

There is currently no way to add a page to a category by adding something to the talk page. -Icewedge 04:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. That's what I was looking for, but I thought it would add the article to the category, not the talk page. A.Z. 04:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

ARC

ARC - Airport Regions Conference - is an association of European cities and regions that host major international airports. The common concern of ARC and its members is to balance the economic benefits generated by the airports against their environmental impact. The ARC brings together a wide range of expertise at the interface of air transport and local and regional policies. ARC represents more than 30 European regions and cities with about 100 million citizens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunnel R (talk • contribs) 08:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Gunnel. The article you are talking about is Airport Regions Conference - what exactly do you need help with? Pedro |  Chat  08:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I accidently ruined a page

Hi guys, i was trying to add a list of #1 contenders to the smackdown page (as in whos challenging the champion for the title) and the whole pages layout has gone crazy. I dont know how to fix it. The champion bit is empty and they are in the commentator section. Please help me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naylehj (talk • contribs) 10:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Sorry forgot to sign it. My user is naylehj. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naylehj (talk • contribs) 10:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You did not close the wikitable with |}. I've fixed it. See Help:Table for more information about how to properly format Wikitables. Hope that helps! (And P.S. You should sign using four tildes, ( ~ ) so it directs to your page) ^Ariel♥Gold 10:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I might have beat you to the punch, Ariel. :) GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 10:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC) *sticks foot into mouth* GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 10:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Heaps! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naylehj (talk • contribs) 10:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Removed leading space, indenting here doesn't work, to indent, type a colon ( : ), and please remember to sign using the signature picture on the edit toolbar, or four tildes ( ~ ) or see your talk page, Sinebot has probably been to visit by now, lol. Hope that helps! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

net exam form

How to download NET Entrance Form —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.93.101 (talk) 11:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. --Pekaje 11:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding Army Officers

I am interested in adding several Army officers to wikipedia. I have a user name and password and understand how to edit but not how to create a new page. Also, the officers I intend to add are JAG's who worked on high profile cases. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markjohnson434 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome, Markjohnson434!! Please review Wikipedia's core policies, and see the following for help on how to create articles: Cite your sources, Manual of style, Layout guide, Wikipedia's copyright policy, First article, Article development and How to edit, and remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes ( ~ ) so others know who you are! Happy editing! ^Ariel♥Gold 13:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Starting a new page. PrimeHunter 13:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Jason Feinberg

Talk:Jason Feinberg is simply not a discussion; it is a copy of the article itself. I could blank it or archive it and then blank it. I'm just not sure what is the right thing to do. For future reference, is the Help Desk the right place to ask this question? If I see something like this should I report it here or just go ahead and make a change? Sbowers3 12:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Be bold! - just delete the superfluous text, explaining what you are doing in your summary. --Orange Mike 12:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#Tal for links to (what should be) all the help pages, guidelines, and essays about talk pages. --Teratornis 15:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Texas Holdem

I was recently involved in a hand that is being disputed. A flush was on the table ace high. In the showdown the other perrson did not have nay cards to that flush and I had a queen in my hand to that flush. The other individual claims the pot should be split. I claim as with any poker it is the best five cards and my flush was therfore higher because my second card in that very flush was higher that his. Am I correct? Please help!!! Marty P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.156.164 (talk) 15:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This board is for Wikipedia-related problems. I suggest you take this to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, where Wikipedians try to help people with real-life problems, such as, well, poker. x42bn6 Talk Mess 15:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned, this is not the right place to ask. However, take a look at this. Your flush was clearly higher, so you're the pot winner. Texas Hold'em (which I'm assuming is what you were playing) uses the same definition of a flush as other Poker variants. --Pekaje 17:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Editing Problem - Lalla Ward

Folks, weird one. I am trying to edit the Lalla Ward article, but none of my edits are saved. There are no edit conflicts or anything like that. I only see this problem with this one article -- I can edit others with no problem. Any ideas? Thanks! --ukexpat 16:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you have been vandalising too much? --Already Daatstict 17:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Already Daatstict, that's not appropriate, please don't make comments like that. Ukexpat, there seems to have been an error, since you have no edits to Lalla Ward in your contribution history. Does the "show preview" button work with that article? 17:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

No, the "show preview" does not work for me on that article. Thanks. --ukexpat 21:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Permanent softblock possible by IP-owner's request?

I had a message from a teacher interested in preventing vandalism from his school's (single) IP, but who wants to preserve access for teachers and non-vandalizing students. Is it possible to have the IP softblocked indefinitely at the IP-owner's request, so that only logged-in users can edit from this IP? If so, what would be the process? --Rrburke^(talk) 17:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

They would probably have to send an email to OTRS. I don't think a talk page message is official enough. Probably the email address at the bottom of this page. Also, one teacher may not be enough. They may need an email from a school administrator. Mr.Z-man 17:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks... passed the info along. --Rrburke^(talk) 19:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I have been insulted

User:Leebo and User:AngelOfSadness have been teaming up to leave insulting messeges on my talk page. Me, who has only made an innocent test, has to pay the price. Please destroy their accounts. Thank You. --Already Daatstict 18:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The messages they left on your talk page are hardly attacks. They are civil pointers to direct you to take note of our policy on "no personal attacks", which I again point out to you. Please remember to assume good faith on the part of other editors and be civil and polite in your discussions with others. Nobody here is out to insult you, we're really quite a friendly bunch once you get to know us. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

They have not insulted you. They have warned you against posting further inappropriate messages, and having reviewed your contributions, you should have received more warnings. Thus far your account has been used only for disruptiive edits. Consider yourself further warned now. --Fuhghettaboutit 18:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

For those playing along at home, the "one innocent test" was this. Raymond Arritt 18:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Are plagiaristic entries and/or users who have been found to have plagiarized to be reported? If so, to whom do I report such things? Thanks, wingman358 18:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If an article is a copyright violation (plagiarism nearly always is), place {{db-copyvio}} at the top of the article, to let administrators know about it; it will add the article to a list of articles to be deleted by administrators. If the article is a copy of a web page, it helps if you use the template as {{db-copyvio|url=the URL of the web page}}, so it's easier for admins to check.

If (in exceptional cases) the article is plagiarised but not a copyright violation (for instance, it was copied from a public-domain source), you can fix the problem by simply adding the source to the article.

It helps to notify users who upload copyright violations (instructions for this are on the {{db-copyvio}} template itself); if a user persists in uploading copyright violations, you can give them a further warning ({{subst:uw-copyright}}), and if that fails use WP:AIV to report them to administrators.

Hope that helps! --ais523 18:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I just found the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Plagiarism Thanks for your speedy assistance as well! wingman358 18:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

That's interesting; the link Wikipedia:Plagiarism redirects to Wikipedia:Copyright problems, but that page doesn't actually address the case where there has been plagiarism without copyright infringement.

If you do detect plagiarism, it may be unintentional (particularly if the editor has a prior history of good, original, properly-cited contributions). A polite reminder to always cite one's sources may be all that's necessary. If an editor appears to have a history of plagiarism and hasn't responded (or has responded poorly) to a polite request, then you might have to ask an admin to step in. WP:AN/I is a good place for this.

Try to keep in mind that sometimes our plagiarists are young people who just haven't ever received proper instruction in source attribution. Polite but firm correction is often all that's necessary. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've added a section – at Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Plagiarism that doesn't infringe copyright – that addresses plagiarism as distinct from copyright infringement. I encourage any policy wonks in the audience to have at it. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Cannot Remain Signed/Logged In

Please help. I am a new member of this community and I am unable to remain signed in. Every time I clink a link/move to another section of the site, I am no longer signed in. Also, I am unable to create a user page, access the preferences for my account, or post comments as a member. Please advise me on how to correct this problem.

Thank you, 67.142.130.14 18:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Nelley McGhie

There are two common reasons why this might be happening:

1. You might not have cookies enabled in your browser; you need to enable them for Wikipedia, or the servers can't keep track of your logged-in status.
2. Some ISPs (particularly satellite ISPs) have problems keeping users logged-in; to solve this and other login problems, try using the following alternative login link: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin. (Unfortunately, it's slower than the normal one.)

Hope that helps! --ais523 18:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

dialogue with editors

recently, i made a minor change to a wikipedia article. the change was well-intentioned and was in the interests of accuracy, as i perceived it. an editor immediately sent me a note stating that: the change had been reversed and i should present firm evidence before introducing such a change. i have no argument to present against this but, alternatively, i have not found a means of establishing a dialogue with an editor so as to negotiate such matters. how do i do this? scylla. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruce Condell (talk • contribs) 18:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You can contact an editor by adding a new section to their User talk: page; for instance, if you wanted to send a message to me, you could do so by editing User talk:ais523. You can use the '+' tab at the top of such pages to more easily add a new section. As for why the change was reverted, asking the user who reverted you will give the best information, but at a guess it may have been because you edited a biography of a living person, but did not give a source for statements made in the edit; sourcing is particularly important for such articles, although it should also be used in others. (That last sentence is just a guess, I don't know about the details of the situation and so might be completely wrong.) --ais523 19:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

External Linking

One of my users posted relevant links to certain topics regarding basketball in particular the Detroit Pistons only to receive warnings about being blacklisted.

I respect your decision of removing the links if they were a violation of your policy but they do not appear to be violations after reading your policy. This is from your What To Link Section:

What should be linked

1. Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any.

2. An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a copy of the work if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply.

3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.

4. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.

I do not see how links to very accurate and insightful Detroit Pistons statistics is considered. We have been on the Detroit Pistons page since 2006 without any issues until now. We do not consider our statistics spam, but very insightful and informal.

If anything the need4sheed.com link on the Detroit Pistons entry ie "the #1 Pistons Website on the Internet" that is spam.

Thank you for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.181.102.85 (talk) 19:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

That link was removed because it was a redirection. I restored it but with the destination url. To see an explanation of any edit you can click the History tab at the top of the page, e.g. the Detroit Pistons page, then read the edit summary. In the case above, the editor who removed your link eplained that it violated the WP:EL policy regarding redirections. So the problem wasn't the content of the link; it was the format of the link. I don't think anyone will object to that external link now that it is in the proper format. Sbowers3 03:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Clearing past search topics

Hello! I love WP! I donated $ last year and will donate again. Thanks! Here is my question: How do you clear old searches? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.67.169 (talk) 19:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not keep searches you have made. You may be referring to your browser's autocomplete or suggestion fuctions. Leebo ^T/C 19:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If you use Firefox, then go to Tools -> Options... -> Privacy. In "Private Data", choose settings and check next to "Saved Form Information". Click OK, then Clear Now. If you use IE, then best of luck to you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

name of restaurant

dear mr./mrs.,

Is it allowed to add the name of a specific restaurant to the wikipedia site?

I would like to add the Erawan Thai restaurant to the description of Erawan with a small description of the restaurant like I see with for instance Mcdonalds or the Hard Rock café.

friendly regards,

R. Loos 200.61.9.66 19:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.61.9.66 (talk) 19:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This could be considered a form of advertising. Is there anything which makes the restaurant notable within Erawan? Our rules are pretty stringent about that sort of thing. --Orange Mike 19:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Further: I am sorry, I thought Erawan was the name of a town. Our rules about companies require that a business be notable, and I doubt that the restaurant you mention would qualify. The companies you named are multibillion-dollar corporations with worldwide presence and fame. --Orange Mike 19:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

NEW TO THE SITE

THIS IS MY FIRST VISIT TO WIKIPEDIA. I WAS GIVEN THE FOLLOWING INFO TO LOOK UP: "451 SO 2D 480" THE SOUTHERN REPORTER SECOND CAME UP ON THIS SITE. I DONT KNOW HOW TO FIND THE PARTICULAR ARTICLE WITHIN THE SEARCH. CAN YOU HELP? THANK YOU. PIPER PALMER <email removed for your security> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.95.245 (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

We don't have an article by that name, and never have. I'm not sure what you're looking for based on that information, either. I'd recommend you turn off your caps lock and ask at the Reference Desk. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a legal ruling as a Google search shows: [3]. A college library or a law library in Florida where your IP address indicates you are, might have the Southern Reporter, to which this info refers. It includes published appellate court decisions. Lawyers often have online access to such cases. Wikipedia and its editors are absolutely not allowed to give any legal advice, but there may be general discussion of legal subjects at the Reference Desk and many important legal cases or the subjects they dealt with are covered by various articles. Edison 20:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

July 30 archive says August 5

I clicked on the July 30 archive (I had no time to read Help Desk answers during the whole month of July, so I'm working my way back now), and it said August 5. Could someone fix this so it won't be confusing? Vchimpanzee 20:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Someone went behind the bot and copy-pasted from another archive. WODUP 21:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

my signature

my signature is not coming up linked?--LAZY 1L 20:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

In your preferences, uncheck raw signature. WODUP 21:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks!--LAZY 1L 21:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

How can I tag an article with no references/sources?

There are several articles which do not have any reference sites/sources. How can I tag that article so that the creator/other wikipedians can help out and cite references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.38.51.134 (talk) 23:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Use {{Unreferenced}}. Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 23:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Wolfe City, Texas History

To whom it concerns

Yesterday I entered more Wolfe City, Texas Histories, but they have been deleted for some reason. Can you tell me what I did wrong or what happen to the articles? Can you tell me how I should be entering the articles? Also if I can enter the information, how can I enter photos?

Thanks John W. Duncan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnwdfarm (talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 September 2007

Well, first off, you shouldn't have included your personal information into a Wikipedia article. That's just asking for Spam and possible Identity theft.

Your edit was reverted by an automatic program that attempts to prevent vandalism to our articles. You added such a large amount of information at a time that the program thought you were trying to vandalize the Wolfe City article.

Looks like your edit was not vandalism, however, you should read our policy on verifiability. You did not cite a source for any of the information you added to the article, making it impossible for anyone else to verify the information is true. I'd suggest doing any additions in smaller sections and be sure to cite sources so we can read for ourselves where the facts come from. -- Kesh 00:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Not Vandalism

I have updated a article here about Newberry College and the conduct of its last president. Each charge against the president if based off of articles in two newspapers. However someone at the college continues to remove the articles. They are the one censoring the truth! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsoward1967 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The only edit of your account is making the above post. I guess you are one of the IP's who has edited Newberry College. Is it The State (newspaper) which is mentioned in Newberry College#Setzler Administration? It seems a lot to write about something from 1992, and I removed some unsourced allegations. Basing accusations on "it was well known to the students at the time that ..." is a gross violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons (he appears to be alive). Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Blocking and do not readd it without a reliable source. PrimeHunter 01:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

September 13

how do i create a wiki

how do i —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leafy0524 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

If you mean how to create a wiki at your own website unrelated to Wikipedia then one possibility is to use the MediaWiki software (which Wikipedia also uses).

The following is if you want to create a new article here at Wikipedia.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 00:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Level 3 Headlines

Hello. When are level 3 headlines appropriate? Sometimes, I see a level 3 headline directly below the Contents box. Is it supposed to be like that? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 01:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Usually, headlines are used in descending order. However, some people choose to use particular ones depending on their aesthetic appeal. As long as you use lower levels beneath your headlines (eg. Level 4 underneath Level 3), the page will still function correctly. GlassCobra 01:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Template

Can someone please help me fix this template.Thanks,Thedjatclubrock :) ^(T/C) 01:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC). User:Thedjatclubrock/user blocked

Fixed it, you were missing a curly bracket in your #ifeq:, which I ended up replacing with a #if: anyway for easier use. Remember that when you call a template in a namespace other than "Template:", you MUST specify the namespace and any parent pages. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Help with complex template

Hello all. I've been working with two other users on a complex template for a while, and we've reached the point where we've given up. The template is a proposed ANI collapsible archival template that needs to appear on the ANI page, but not on the ANI IncidentArchive pages. So far, we've made the templates User:Arknascar44/Ani-top and User:Arknascar44/Ani-bottom, which transclude (although apparently not) the templates User:Arknascar44/ANI top and User:Arknascar44/ANI bottom onto ANI only, and no other subpages. Any help getting the templates to properly transclude would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Arky ^¡Hablar! 02:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I tried, but I couldn't get the template to know that it was on the right page. Maybe someone who can program conditional templates can help. I've failed you. WODUP 05:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It appears the apostrophe in the title was being output by {{PAGENAME}} as ' instead of just ', so the comparison was failing. I've replaced it with {{FULLPAGENAMEE}} and adjusted the comparison text accordingly. Anomie 15:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

fonts for indian words

where do i get fonts to view indian words. thanks mark.121.217.227.38 03:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

"Indian" is not a language, as India has several official languages. Do you mean Hindi in Devanāgarī script? Or do you mean a Native American language? Check the Editor's index for information about various languages, for example: Help:Sinhala Font Guide (which I guess is a language for Sri Lanka, not exactly India but somewhat nearby), Help:Multilingual support, and Wikipedia:Language recognition chart. The Devanāgarī article has external links which may help you locate fonts. You may also ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject India. --Teratornis 03:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Is there a way to change my username?

I hadn't realized my username would be posted, and, as such, included my surname in my username. for privacy reasons, can i change this?fritz 05:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

See WP:CHU. WODUP 05:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks!! embarrassed for not finding it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fgheen (talk • contribs) 05:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

word description

Hello, i'm hoping someone can assist me in finding a word to describe a few words. Im after a word to describe.......determination,strength,wisdom and the same again for success,health,happiness. I'm making a design for a tatoo so if there is an english word or a latin i would very much appreciate your help, thankyou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakedog (talk • contribs) 05:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but you might try at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. WODUP 05:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Colton-Pierrepont Central School

Hey, would someone mind taking a look at this article? The infobox is quite messed up, and, for the life of me, I can't figure out how to fix it. Thanks! GlassCobra 05:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I've done a few school infoboxes and ran into the same problem. The template links the country and puts in the little flag, so adding double brackets messes that up. WODUP 06:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. Thanks! GlassCobra 06:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I deltete my profile or edit my username?

I mispelled my username when creating my account. How do I deltete my profile or edit my username? I wasn't able to this in "my preferences"

Thank you, Seanpcurto 06:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

We don't really have profiles here, just user pages. To change your username, you can visit WP:CHU, or, since your only edits were a sandbox edit and your question above, you can just create the account you want and abandon the one you've got now. WODUP 06:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Official Web site of the Malankara Orthodox Church (Indian Orthodox Church)

The official web site of the Malankara Orthodox Church is www.orthodoxchurch.in and not www.malankaraorthodoxchurch.in. Please make necessary changes. Fr. Mathew Koshy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.88.230.138 (talk) 06:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). --Pekaje 08:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Editing pages

how do i edit a wikipedia page?Jas007n 08:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Jas007n

Click on the "edit this page" tab at the top, edit the contents of the article, and click the "Save page" button. You should also preview your changes first (by clicking "Show preview"). Wikipedia:How to edit a page has more information. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 08:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

And please write a short edit summary (over save page)--Thw1309 08:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

waterbugs

why do they like water drains68.48.0.34 08:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC).

This help-page is for asking Wikipedia-related questions only. Please try the Reference desk as stated at the top of this page. Cheers, Lradrama 08:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The Waterbug article redirects to American cockroach. The article does not specifically say why these insects "like" water drains, but mentions how they use them for shelter, as a source of moisture, and as an entry point into dwellings. Read the article and follow the links to learn more about this fascinating insect which is tough enough to live with humans. --Teratornis 20:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

HELP

HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD THE CURRENT EVENTS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.146.216 (talk) 10:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. The events are decided as they come: Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. To download them all, you'd have to go through each day and save the page - but something tells me this is not what you want to do. x42bn6 Talk Mess 12:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

help!!

Hi... im only a beginner and dont rely no how to create a page proparly.. i am a huge fan of australian womens goalkeeper melissa barbieri...and created a page as no1 had but didnt do it to well...i was wondering if mayby u cud re-edit it for me to make it look more of a wikipedia touch...please keep the information if u can...and i dont no how to put a picture on so cud u mayby fix it up... thnx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zxcvbnm1991 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• Since she is Australia's National Women's Goalie with several games to her credit, I removed the notability template that was placed on the article as well as the tag that said it didn't have any references. It did, they were just not named "references". - Mgm|^(talk) 11:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

querry

sir,

where did i get the nifty level in this site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.138.32 (talk) 11:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi. Could you clarify what you mean by "nifty" ? Pedro |  Chat  11:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I am being threatened

The following user is threatening me,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amarrg

I am new to wikipedia, I cant understand what he is saying, How can I solve this, Really I feel very bad about this user. regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by IndiWorld (talk • contribs) 12:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC) --IndiWorld 12:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)_{Subscript text}--IndiWorld 12:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• Based on your talk page, you appear to be in an edit war. Not logging in to make it look like you're someone else to circumvent the three-revert rule is not a good idea. If you didn't do that, just make sure you're logged in - that's all he's asking you to do. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

User:IndiWorld is not as innocent as he claims to be above. When I asked him to stop editing using his ip, he denied that the ip belonged to him and later agreed that the ip did belong to him. In the middle, he engaged in a unwarranted personal attack on me continuously lying that the ip did not belong to him. The conversation can be seen here. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 12:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

project report

i need projct on Ip Routing and 2nd is ROUTER FUNDAMETALS; for help me how can get it esaily.221.128.178.100 12:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)nilesh

I'm not sure what you are asking, but see Router. That said, this is for help editing Wikipedia as opposed to help with real-life questions and you may get better responses at the Computing Reference desk. x42bn6 Talk Mess 13:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

editing

how do i edit a page? where is the link located —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistermagik92 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Up near the top, in bold. It should read, edit this page. See also How to edit a page. If the link is not available, but is available as "view source", then the page is protected. x42bn6 Talk Mess 12:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Proof rreading

Is there a tag to put on an article to request proof reading? {{{wikify}}} and {{{cleanup}}} seem too strong. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Would {{copyedit}} suit? It's specifically for "grammar, style, cohesion, tone and/or spelling". :) --Moonriddengirl 14:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That's the one. Thanks Moonridden girl. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 14:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

{{cleanup}} is actually probably also okay. According to Wikipedia:Cleanup proof reading is one of the specific things the clean up task force will cover. If you really don't like that tag then go with the advice from Moonriddengirl. Pedro |  Chat  14:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Page move

I want to do a slightly complicated page move and I am worried about preserving page history (as I know this is important). Basically, there is an article ASIL Lyssi, a football team, but the creator wrote content about a player for that team, Pari Pantazopoulos. They also created a page Pari pantazopoulos about that person with the same content. I cleaned up ASIL Lyssi and added refs. Now I want to:

1. Move the content of ASIL Lyssi to Pari pantazopoulos.
2. Move (rename) Pari pantazopoulos to Pari Pantazopoulos to capitalise the name.
3. Write a stub about the football team for ASIL Lyssi

Can I do this without causing problems? I have a vague notion that each editor's contributions must be preserved for the GFDL, but I'm not sure if moving stuff this way will do that. Thanks --Kateshortforbob 14:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You should be able to do this:

1. Move ASIL Lyssi to Pari Pantazopoulos;
2. Make Pari pantazopoulos a redirect to Pari Pantazopoulos;
3. Edit ASIL Lyssi so it's a stub rather than a redirect to Pari Pantazopoulos.

Without causing any problems. Does anyone else agree? To further answer your question, your first point involves moving just the content of ASIL Lyssi, which would leave the history behind. That would be the problem, but it's actually solved by the non-existence of the desired title (Pari Pantazopoulos). Leebo ^T/C 14:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Great! I think I shall be bold and do it before I go home. Thanks for sorting me out - had a feeling I wasn't quite right! --Kateshortforbob 15:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

external links

How can I get an external link to my site from yours? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.165.181 (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

No. See WP:SPAM, and WP:EL.--Max Talk (+) 15:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia:External links for more information. If your site contains (for example) further reading that would be relevant to an article but might overburden the article itself there wouldbe no problem. However if (again for example) you sold televisions and wanted to put the link into the wikipedia television article that would be considered spam. Do check the guidelines first before placing the link. If you think it's okay and need help inserting it please pop back to the helpdesk or ask at my talk page. Pedro |  Chat  15:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• It's usually a good idea to discuss things with other editors and have them add the link to avoid any conflict of interest. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wide Landing Page

Hi all,

This is something that has been bugging me for ages, why is the main landing page for wikipedia (ie. http://www.wikipedia.org/) so wide? It just looks like blanks space.

Thanks Doyley 15:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe someone can help you at the reference desk. This page is for getting help with using Wikipedia. Leebo ^T/C 15:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

poker editor contact request

Hello, I would like to contact the editor who manages poker related content. Can you please provide me with an email address or other contact information. I work with a number of poker content websites that offers a wide range of articles that are exclusively written on these sits and I think these articles might be a valuable contribution to the poker articles on Wikipedia. I would like to contact your poker editor so I can figure out what the next steps are.

Thank you, Kossflavour —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kossflavour (talk • contribs) 16:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. Your previous question on this has already been answered. That said, I'm going to also leave that link on your talk page. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 16:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

translation

i want to translate my English poem to the other language, what should I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.39.237 (talk) 16:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You might be looking for Wikipedia:Translation, but they deal mainly with translating articles to and from other languages. If this is something of your own creation that isn't a part of Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can help you out much. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Elusive template

I am certain there is a template which shows there is a current conflict\dispute\issue that needs to be resolved. Why can't i find it? Simply south 16:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

See Category:Dispute templates. PrimeHunter 16:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Whilst useful, i am not sure that is quite what i meant. It is in discussion on a WikiProject over WP:EL on a page. Simply south 16:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're looking for, precisely. :) Are you asking about means to attract assistance, as with requests for comment? --Moonriddengirl 18:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again: nl:Wikipedia

Hi,

There are now seven people on nl:Wikipedia, including four moderators, who occupy themselves with, among other things, messing up my talk page archive. Any attempt on my part to correct this is met with a block, each time longer than the last. They have also nominated part of my archive for deletion.

What can I do?

Regards, Guido den Broeder 17:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid we can't help you much - we can only offer assistance with the English Wikipedia, as I believe you've been told in the past. I'd recommend seeking some form of Dispute Resolution over there; if they have something similar to requests for comment on nl:, I'd recommend that due to the regularity of these problems. We cannot offer you any direct assistance or even accurately point you in the right direction, though, sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I have already tried all options within nl:Wikipedia but got no response. Is there no higher Wikipedia authority, or do I need to start legal procedures? Guido den Broeder 18:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Legal procedures? What on earth for? I don't know how things go over at nl, but here on en.wiki, the minute someone mentions such things, they pretty much get written off as a kook or troublemaker. I would suggest you stop doing whatever it is that's getting you blocked. Friday (talk) 18:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Your description of the situation casts administrators at the nl.Wikipedia as abusive and vengeful. The fact that you would come here, where we can't get a good impression of the whole situation and they can't explain themselves, makes me question whether your story is the full story or not. Such a thing would not happen here without responsible admins correcting the problem. There is no legal recourse for you to take, and editors making legal threats are blocked here at en.Wikipedia. Leebo ^T/C 18:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Friday, you are basically telling me that I should allow other people to do with my archive as they please.

Leebo, please respect the principle of assuming good faith. Guido den Broeder 18:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I told you I'm having a hard time believing your story as you are telling it and I want to hear the whole story (impossible, when we can't ask those accused to come here). Legal threats are taken seriously, so don't make them. WP:AGF doesn't prevent me from trying to hear all sides of a story. Leebo ^T/C 19:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Editors wanting to initiate legal procedures are prohibited from editing until such time that any legal procedures are resolved. That said, Dutch Wikipedia is completely seperate from English Wikipedia, there's nothing any of us could do anyhow. WilyD 19:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the situation, because I don't speak the language. But, you do not own pages on wikipedia- even your user talk pages. If you wish to have complete editorial control, you can do this on your own website, but not on Wikipedia. If you wish to explain what the actual dispute is, perhaps some of us here can give you our opinions on the situation, but there's very little we can do about the decision making process on another wiki. This may be better done on your user talk page than here on the help desk. Friday (talk) 19:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

From my admittedly limited understanding of Dutch, it seems you were blocked for editing the comments of others in your talk page archives. No matter how trivial, it's extremely bad form. It could also very well be a blockable offense. Stop doing it, and you'll stop getting blocked. --Pekaje 19:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

All I did myself was correcting the typo 'Guide', with written permission from the user who made the typo. However, that was not my question. I was asking about what procedures are available to me to prevent others from editing or even deleting my archive - especially since it is evidence in a running ArbCom procedure. Guido den Broeder 19:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You're not giving us details about how they're editing it or why they want to delete it, so there's no advice we can give you. Leebo ^T/C 19:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That's alright then, since I'm not asking for advice. I'm asking for information. Guido den Broeder 19:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Friday gave you the info you asked for above: You can't prevent people from editing or deleting your talk page or archives, because you don't own them. Granted, they need a valid reason for doing so, but you won't tell us their reasons. Leebo ^T/C 20:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know their reasons. Guido den Broeder 21:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll say it again; I find it hard to believe that they would give no reason and others would find that acceptable. The fact that the archive in question relates to an ArbCom case goes to further show that we don't have the whole story here. Please address this at nl.Wikipedia. There is nothing we can do. Leebo ^T/C 21:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to confirm that on nl:wikipedia there is an ArbCom case in process regarding Guido, where both his components as Guido have filed complaints. I don't think there's much more that can be done here on en:Wikipedia. kind regards, Venullian 11:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

poker editor contact request

Hi. Thanks for the response - didn't realize my question had been answered earlier. Woodym555 suggested that I should leave a note on the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker. I went to that page but I couldn't find the talk page....sorry if I've missed something obvious but can you tell me how I can contact one of the editors in the WikiProject Poker. Thank you, J Bradley 18:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Here you go: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poker. :) --Moonriddengirl 18:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

In the future, you can always access the talk page of a page or project by clicking the "discussion" tab at the top of the page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Deleted content in Muscatine, Iowa

A while ago, I added some content to the article about Muscatine, Iowa. It was a couple of paragraphs about a native of the town who was an historical character. I researched this person carefully for a college paper and reviewed the historical record before entering the data. I can substantiate the content that I added. Now I find it has been deleted and I would like to know why. Furthermore, there is a link that purports to go to a biography of that person but it goes to someone of the same name who has no relation. This is very frustrating. Can you help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.108.197.210 (talk) 18:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

What is the name of the individual in question at Muscatine, Iowa? Do you have any idea when you might have made the change? I'll be glad to see if I can help you figure out why it might have been removed, but the only contribution showing for your current IP is the edit today. It's difficult to figure out precisely when your edit might have been removed without more information. :) --Moonriddengirl 18:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• I notice how you said that you CAN substantiate the content. Being able to, but not actually substantiating it with sources could be a reason. Also, it's rarely a good idea to put a person's biography in a town article. It's a better idea to put a link in the famous inhabitants section of the town, and make a separate page for the person. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Show / Hide

Recently, I've noticed that anything with a show/hide feature, like navigation boxes, is defaulting to "hide" every time. That seems to be new. Is it? Also is there some way I can change it? I'm sure I'd much prefer they all showed with an option for me to hide them. AndyJones 19:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:NavFrame describes this function, but I have trouble understanding how they work myself, so I can't really explain beyond that. Leebo ^T/C 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• I actually had the opposite problem on my userpage - with me they wouldn't hide when they did so before. I wonder why someone changed the template when it has an effect on so many pages. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle

How do I use it? I've installed + cofigured it, but how do I use it? I couldn't find any documentation, or I wouldn't be asking.

—Ignatzmice^talk_contribs 19:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

If it's installed, the answer is in your tabs. They should include little collections of letters like "csd" and "last" and "rpp" and xfd". Each of these tabs should explain itself when you roll over it with the mouse. It's a pretty user friendly program once you get going. :) Did you have specific questions about it? (I also have no documentation.) --Moonriddengirl 20:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you using Firefox? It may not work properly in Safari. --Hdt83 ^Chat 22:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

How oo I change my username

I have tried un-successfully to change my username from Shandick to Shandrick, because I made a typing error.

How do I change my username?

Mike Shandrick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shandick (talk • contribs) 19:16, September 13, 2007

See Wikipedia:Changing username. Leebo ^T/C 19:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I see you've already made a request at Wikipedia:Changing username#Shandick → Shandrick. You weren't unsuccessful, you simply haven't given the bureaucrats enough time to make the change. Leebo ^T/C 19:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I archive stuff, and how do I find subpages of my user page?

What's the procedure for archiving User talk page material?

I have one major subpage of my user page, called Timothy_Perper/Sandbox, but I had another. Now I simply can't find it. How do I locate and list those subpages?

Thanks.

Timothy Perper 19:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Archiving instructions can be found at Wikipedia:Archiving talk pages. It might be helpful for you to keep a link on your user page to your subpage, which you can do by putting double brackets around it. If you know the name, just go to it: User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox. Leebo ^T/C 19:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

See here. --Outspan [talk · contribs] 19:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

As for finding subpages, Special:Prefixindex is awesome. I found your page, too. :) Nihiltres^(t.l) 19:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflicT) [4] shows a page at User:Timothy Perper/Baku (spirit). You can also find pages you have edited by clicking "my contributions" (probably at the top right depending on your skin). PrimeHunter 20:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I find the sandbox by pulling up by user page and then going up to the browser search bar (I use Safari on a Mac) and simplly adding /Sandbox to it. Very fast. Prefixindex is neat. Timothy Perper 20:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Delta lambda psi

Hello, I am the President and founder of Delta Lambda Psi and I am currently making a page for it but I typed in the heading wrong and it currently reads "Delta lambda psi" but should read "Delta Lambda Psi" with the L and the P being capitalized. Can you please help me with this, I can't figure out how to redo the heading.

Thanks so much

Tim Lafond —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlafond (talk • contribs) 19:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey there. Changing the title required moving the page to the correct capitalization, which I have done for you. It should now be at Delta Lambda Psi. Do note that the article needs to be sourced and verifiable in order for the fraternity to be considered notable - now that it's at the right spot, please make sure to get some good third-party references in to ensure that it meets our guidelines. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) 19:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

AWB

Hey Alphachimp's last edit was 6 September 2007. I noticed that there are two users awaiting approval for AWB. Is there anyone who can pick up where Alphachimp left off? 70.233.142.135 20:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

There are others who can make approvals - the list was just updated yesterday. I'm not one of them myself, but just give it another day or two and it should be updated. Paitence! ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Software notability criteria

Why don't we seem to have any notability guidance for software? there is a historical page on the matter but it is inactive. This seems to be a fair large oversight? or is this now covered somewhere else? Fredrick day 20:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It's just generally covered by the basic notability guidelines at WP:N, requiring that it be backed up by multiple reliable secondary sources. Most of the criteria on that historical page is covered under WP:CORP or the aforementioned general page, which was the rationale used to reject the proposal here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks for that - I must confess that I find WP:N to be so vague and circular as to be useless. oh well. Fredrick day 21:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

• I too preferred the more specific guidelines with examples of things that could partially indicate notability (sales, awards, etc). The general ones are too vague and open to misinterpretation. If you wonder if a subject is suitable, I guess asking a relevant wikiproject is the best idea. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Help

How do I make this picture smaller? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. 7man (talk • contribs) 21:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Include the size you want in pixels (px) after a pipe character (|) in the image link, like this: [[Image:blah blah.jpg|150px|caption]]. For more help, see Help:Images. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I've tried that already, but it didn't work--Dr. 7man 21:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Replace the |frame| parameter with |thumb| and add the 150px. So something like this: [[Image:blah blah.jpg|150px|thumb|caption]] should work. --Hdt83 ^Chat 21:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I am being maligned

New to wikipedia, I have published an article under the heading of Cifrangon, in all innocence, to try to draw more people into the debate on the origins of the Welsh. I have done my bloody best to try to provide any and all validation for comments which I have made. I am now being subjected to an attack by someone who calls himself nuttah68, who is accusing me of creating this article to publicise a book which he claims I have written, and is therefore trying to delete my article. He hides behind an alias, he gives no justification for his comments, and is doing his very best to trip me up. This is neither fair nor reasonable comment. His remarks are defamatory, untrue, a tissue of lies. I understood that defamatory remarks were banned from wikipedia. I am Bob Sunman, from Cardiff in South Wales, aged 67, divorced, with kids and grandkids, and have written under the name of 'Ouldbob'. I am a mature student, reading for an MSc at the Glamorgan University for fun. Now retired, I have spent my working life in science and international sales of that science. I am or have been a member of various professional societies, including the Instrument Society of America, the Optical Society of America, the Laser Institute of America, the Institute of Patentees, the Institute of Electrical Engineers, the Institute of Cost and Works Accountants, the Chartered Institute of Secretaries, the Institute of Sales Engineers and the Institute of Export as well as some overseas professional organisations. I have a PhD,(Physics), two BSc's,(Pure Mathematics and Computer Science: and Astronomy and Astrophysics), an HND in Polymer Technology, three fellowships, and am currently reading - at Glamorgan University - for an MSc in Astrophysics and Science Communication. I am a scientist. Archaeology is my hobby. I am trying to clear away cobwebs, yet I am being subjected to this scurrilous attack. This is absolutely disgraceful, completely unwarranted and is deliberately malicious. I find this very upsetting, since I cannot countenance enemies who are cowards and hide while slandering and libelling honest and innocent people. If this is what Wikipedia is all about, strike out everything I have written and cancel my membership. This is disgraceful/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ouldbob (talk • contribs) 22:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not see any attack - wikipedia is not a publisher of Original research (which you can read more about here WP:OR), interesting while your work is, it is original research and therefore not suitable for inclusion on wikipedia. The system has fallen down a bit because someone should have explained to you why your article is unsuitable for wikipedia. Fredrick day 22:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude here, but a scientist should know to approach any new, radically unfamiliar environment with an open mind, actually try to falsify each of one's early naive hypotheses, and try to avoid hasty generalizations. Above all, seek out the wisdom of the natives before trying something unfamiliar. Try not to approach Wikipedia with the same arrogant incaution practiced by some of the early polar explorers; they tended to view the Inuit as mere savages, overlooking the fact that the Inuit had the best cold-weather clothing and survival technology at the time. Some of the early explorers who assumed their English woolens were better than Inuit furs are still up there, frozen where they fell. The lesson there is that no matter how adept one is in one's familiar environment, one starts from incompetence again in sufficiently alien surroundings. On Wikipedia, of course, newbie mistakes are rarely as consequential as mistakes in the real world - at worst, one loses time or one experiences some emotional stress. Speaking of the latter, computer-mediated communication requires a certain amount of sangfroid, especially if one chooses to be bold without first reading the friendly manuals. Think of this as a kind of thesis defense, except the questions are less predictable.

While it may not be obvious at first glance (and in my opinion, Wikipedia doesn't do nearly enough to get this point across to new editors), Wikipedia has staggeringly complex and often unintuitive policies, guidelines, and procedures. Almost everybody who is new to Wikipedia makes at least a few incorrect assumptions about it; for example see: Wikipedia:Replies to common objections (I made a bunch of those assumptions too, when I first got here). This is not surprising, because just ten years ago, probably no sane person would have imagined Wikipedia in its present form could actually work. Yet it does. Something mysterious and subtly clever is going on here, something that appears to defy conventional logic - how it is possible for a site that allows free editing by millions of people from around the world to avoid turning into a complete muddle? Productive editing on Wikipedia requires some understanding of how it works. I suggest reading The Hive, by Marshall Poe, The Atlantic Monthly, September 2006 - an article describing the history of Wikipedia. --Teratornis 04:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Alexander Hamilton

How do I locate information on Alexander Hamilton's economic ideas and theories?67.84.25.141 23:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC) (email removed to avoid spam)

You could try starting at Alexander Hamilton. Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Latest photos on horsburgh light (pedra baranca)

Dear Sir,

I would like to attached the latest photos on horsburgh light (pedra branca) Mantanani 23:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC).

The Horsburgh Lighthouse I take it? If you took the pictures yourself, then you are free to upload them under an appropriate license of your choice - see this for more details. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 00:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Use the "Upload file" link on the right, or use Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used by Wikipedia in other languages. --h2g2bob (talk) 06:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

September 14

Stop Misuse

How, as a normal user, do I stop someone from repeatedly vandalising a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomtown Rat (talk • contribs) 00:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm unsure as to how to stop a user vandalising a page repeatedly, but you can revert their edits easily, hopefully detering them. Go to the history tab at the top of the article, then click the small "undo" next to the edit. Undo the earliest vandalism first. Another user will surely know how to report a member however. ::Manors:: 00:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyone can revert vandalism and leave warnings on the pages of users who've violated policies. The procedures and warning templates are set forth at the vandalism policy. If a user persists in vandalizing a page after escalating warnings have been left, you can report him or her to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, where an administrator will review the report to determine if the user should be blocked. --Moonriddengirl 00:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

How to I flag an article for bias

I have seen flags at the beginning of articles like {{dispute}} for disputed accuracy and {{expert}} for needing expert review. Is there a flag to indicate POV disputes? More generally, is there an index of such flags anywhere? NPguy 01:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

There's a whole list of template messages. Most of them are intuitive, so POV is {{POV}}. :) --Moonriddengirl 01:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

{{tl}}'d templates to avoid categorizing this page --h2g2bob (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Username trouble

If i can't remember my username, what is the best way to find out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.189.32.38 (talk • contribs)

Can you remember any of the articles you've edited? You might be able to recognize your user name in the page history. --Moonriddengirl 01:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

why was the Nasuma Enterprises page deleted

this page is a home/small bussiness that currently isnt registered but is a real orginization nevertheless

sorry for the double post --75.47.194.38 01:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)Michael

According to the opinion of the deleting administrator, it was determined to be non-notable. All articles on Wikipedia must pass Wikipedia's notability guideline, with more specific guidelines being attached to different kinds of articles. In the case of that article, it had to pass Wikipedia's notability guideline for organizations. This means that the company in question must have received coverage from reliable, verifiable, secondary sources. For instance, if it was the subject of a newspaper, magazine, website, or other third party article, then it would pass such a test. It is likely that your company did not meet this criterion; ergo, it was deleted. Note that there is no malice against you or the company in question. This is merely upholding Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Don't let it deter you from editing, as you are still extremely welcome to. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

According to the deletion log, the article was deleted because the company is not notable. It isn't a question generally of whether a company is real, but whether it should have an encyclopedia article about it. The notability guideline (behind the blue link above) can show you the requirements for a business to have a page on Wikipedia and help you determine if Nasuma Enterprises meets them. Good luck. --Moonriddengirl 02:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding A Bio

How do you add a bio to wikipedia?

Thank You, Meredith —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchugh902 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. :) --Moonriddengirl 02:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Google Earth images usable with attribution on Wikipedia?

Google's FAQ includes the following response to the question of whether Google Earth images can be incorporated into websites:

You can personally use an image from the application (for example on your website, on a blog or in a word document) as long as you preserve the copyrights and attributions including the Google logo attribution. However, you cannot sell these to others, provide them as part of a service, or use them in a commercial product such as a book or TV show without first getting a rights clearance from Google.[5]

Would it appear from this answer that images from Google Earth are or are not usable on Wikipedia? Does the phrase "you can personally use" tend to suggest the images are not available for use on Wikipedia without a specific rights clearance? Does use on Wikipedia constitute "commercial use"? If such images are usable, what licensing tag is appropriate?

--Rrburke^(talk) 03:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Use on Wikipedia is only permissible if an image is released for re-use in commercial products as well as elsewhere. Thus, we would not meet the Google criterion about "commercial product" use. --Orange Mike 03:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This is because Wikipedia seeks to create a free content encyclopedia, and because Wikipedia's content can be mirrored on commercial sites. See Wikipedia:Non-free content. Images from Open Street Map are permitted --h2g2bob (talk) 03:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Need some advice for preventing chaos about a revision

I'm working on a revision of the main entry on Manga (you can find the new material on my Sandbox).

I need some advice and words of wisdom for how to proceed, not immediately, but down the line, when the revision is done. I've been putting notes not only on the Manga discussion page, but also on the Anime/Manga project page, alerting people to what we're doing and inviting them to contribute. So far, with a few notable exceptions (thank you, thank you), I've been ignored. Well, I'm gussing THAT will stop when we actually get to replacing the old entry with the new one.

In fact, I suspect that a good many angry people are going to descend on the new entry, reverting it, deleting stuff, and generally being disruptive. THAT is what I want to avoid.

How?

So, what words of wisdom do you care to impart?

BTW, take a look at Timothy Perper/Sandbox before deciding that I'm a crazed incompetent.

Timothy Perper 04:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

First, assume good faith with other editors. If they have a reason to raise concerns about your revision, then it is often for a good and thoughtful reason. Next, I would recommend that once you finish your revision in your sandbox, you display it at Talk:Manga and WT:ANIME for consideration. This is generally a good way of preventing a future edit war by opening it up to discussion from the community. If it is dismissed, then follow consensus and bow out with humility. However, your revision will likely have good points that are accepted by consensus, and will thus likely be incorporated into the article. In any case, you likely will see your efforts bear fruit. Best of luck. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• If you want to avoid conflict and revert wars, the best thing to do is to get people involved as early as you can and not spring the change on them without giving them a chance to go over the changes. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

military archives

how do i find my fathers service records? 05:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)Parvinmark 05:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he would have an article unless he was really notable. Try Google--$UIT 05:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --Moonriddengirl 11:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

financial serviecs

Hi,

just i want to know the basics of financial services.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.140.37.2 (talk • contribs)

On the left of the screen is a search field. Typing financial services, finds financial services.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Re-install dynamic-link library

When I start my computer I always get an error message telling me activation exe. entry point mnysl. dill is missing. It tells me to re-install it. How can I do that?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.128.129 (talk) 05:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions on Wikipedia. You might like to ask at the Computing Reference Desk. --h2g2bob (talk) 06:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

How to edit the title of an article..

I searched for "tongyang orion group".

I edited contents of the "tongyang orion group", but I couldn't edit the title.

How can I change the title ""tongyang orion group" into "tongyang group"?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.144.22.86 (talk) 06:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a "move" function that is available to registered users as a button on the top of an article. To register an account, see here. For more information on moving pages, see Help:Moving a page. Thank you. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Self-created picture

I took a picture that I intend to use in the article Bus stop. I intend to upload it to Wikipedia. But I see several pictures of other bus stops on the Commons page and my question is how does it end up in the Commons? Do I upload it there first? Can my picture (or pictures) go from Wikipedia to the Commons? --Blue387 06:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Up load it here, then you can use it on wikipedia or any one of its sister projects.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 07:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Abuse Page

I just thought I would say that when I typed in Laura Upton on Wikipedia, I got redirected to the page called "dumb blond."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_upton

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.71.235.4 (talk) 06:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

done.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 06:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Line breaks

Hello, I am trying to write some text into a wiki page, but it is not inserting line breaks when i press enter, and i am not sure why. Can you please advise what's going wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.168.65 (talk) 07:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

if you want to make a break in the line (for a paragraph), you have to hit enter twice.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 07:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but now it seems there are more problems. I am trying to convert a forum post to a wiki page, however there seem to be multiple issues as well as line breaks, including <code_> (no underscore) tags not being shown correctly, and pressing enter twice not being recognised. Its not actually on wikipedia, it is on another site running mediawiki, so the same editing applies i assume. Link here Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.168.65 (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

To insert a line break type this text <br/>, or by pressing this button while in edit mode ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 07:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Typing a space at the start of a line makes the text go all code-like...

Like this
Even on two lines

--h2g2bob (talk) 08:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for all the response. The space in front works well and
works well too. However do you know how you make code not overflow out of the code box, but still be maintained on a single line when copied and pasted (necessary for correct coding of course)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.168.65 (talk) 08:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

if you want to
copy & paste code for display 
without the text wrapping

you place the text between <pre> and </pre> if that what you are asking?▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 08:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

On Wikipedia there is also the template pre that deals with overflowing text with scroll bars but not all wiki's have this template see Template_talk:Pre for more information. you might also ask someone from Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) if this solution doesn't work for you, someone there may know. sorry I couldn't be of more help ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 09:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

It should be noted that putting a space in front, resulting in those "nonformat" boxes, is not desirable to do in articles, except for articles that may use it to illustrate computer code, or that type of information. Instead, the tags <br> and/or just spacing by hitting enter should be used. Please see the following pages for additional information that may be of assistance to you: Manual of style, Layout guide, First article, Article development and How to edit. Hope that helps! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Indian Fashion

do you have any material on the evolution of indian fashion in the 20th century —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.9.230 (talk) 09:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• You could ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. This forum is for help on using Wikipedia. I didn't see anything straight of the cuff though, but the volunteers there may be able to help. Thanks ! Pedro |  Chat  09:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

How to print the pages for dissimination of information to those who do not have Computers.

I am Patron of Islamic Countries Society of Statistical Sciences and would like to print the list of Muslim and arabic and Iranian Scientists and circulate them to all members of the society who do not have computers especially people living in remote places where there is no electricity etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.98.202 (talk) 09:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• You seem to have electricity so if you have a printer, you can hit the print option in the file menu, or select the "printable version" from the menu on the side and then select print. If that's not what you are asking, please be more specific. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Maybe it's about copyright concerns. See Wikipedia:Verbatim copying. PrimeHunter 18:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to image descriptions

Is it allowed? I've seen it but nobody undoes it.

If it isn't, does this count as it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Image%3AMeleestages.jpg&diff=156669335&oldid=140193903

The person removed a lot of things and replaced it with his own opinion on the game. 24.159.39.11 10:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it isn't allowed. I've restored it, but someone else did remove the comments. Thanks for catching that! And Welcome! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This kind of vandalism is notoriously hard to catch, because very few people watch the image description pages. This one at least had some chance of being caught because the license tags and fair use rationales got deleted. On the positive side, this is generally low-visibility vandalism, so it's not a big target in the first place. --Pekaje 10:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

So true. Plus, the recent changes monitoring doesn't cover images, so I don't know if a whole lot of them get checked. If you run across them, feel free to revert it, or to report it to me or anyone else here, and they would be happy to take a look at it! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to tell how many hits a given WP entry has had?

Is there any way to tell how many hits a given WP entry has had? Thank you. ericbritton 12:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Ericbritton. Wikipedia statistics has a link to this tool that shows the top 100 pages by hits. Looking at the page, I think the technical answer is yes, but the reality of getting hold of the data is no. It looks like there is some work going on around these tools, so perhaps in the future it may be possible to get an idea of hits fore every page. I would doubt this would be retroactive though, so if you're after a record of all hits ever on a specific page I think it's unlikely. Pedro |  Chat  12:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This question has come up several times on the Help desk. --Teratornis 15:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

And no, it's probably not going to be enabled: WP:PEREN#Create a counter of people watching a page. x42bn6 Talk Mess 15:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Alliance Finlandeleted

I made a page about finnish band called Alliance Finland. Some FisherKing or Queen decided to wipe it off for reasons unknown. I also got this kind of excuses to my site:

Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted.

It's no problem if the site is gone but I think I miss the vandalism-part on my edits. Is it vandalism to add some information about some rock group to web? According to Wikipedia, private citizens commit vandalism when they wilfully damage or deface the property of others or the commons. I'm afraid that wasn't the case with the Alliance-page.

Monte Palace 13:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Monte Palace. The article was deleted as it did not assert the Notability of the band - i.e. why it should have an article in the encyclopedia. The vandalism tag was placed because it looks like you removed the "tag" at the top of the article identifying it as a possible candidate for Speedy Deletion. You shouldn't remove tags like that if they were placed on articles you created. However, it is a bit harsh to say that it's "vandalism", though you did seem to remove them twice. I'm going to ask the user who placed it if they would consider removing that warning. Please don't be put of from editing Wikipedia! Pedro |  Chat  13:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

How can you protect an article from a anonymous user with a shifting IP?

Hi, I don't want to draw attention to the article in question, since it's getting enough attention as it is - you can find out by looking through my history if you really want! However, there is an article where an anonymous user with an IP address that changes daily is attempting to push a personal agenda with sources. The article was semi-protected for a time, which helped. However, the article needs work and more/better sources for its current content, which the current editors cannot come up with, but which a passing anonymous editor might be able to provide. It would therefore be unconstructive in the long term to semi-protect the article again.

Is there any way to resolve this dichotomy, or are we going to be forced to be vigilant and keep reverting this one anon's edits? Thanks. GDallimore (Talk) 13:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Keep the page semi-protected and report each of the user's IPs to WP:AIAV. Eventually, you'll block all his resources. -- kainaw™ 13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I've posted to the WP:AIAV - see what happens. Thanks. GDallimore (Talk) 14:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Early AFD closure

Is it possible to close an AFD early if it is on the border between no consensus and keep? I would like to close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lauren Cohen (economist) early so that I can get his DYK hook (see Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created_on_September_9) on the main page and the article has to be presentable by the end of day today to be eligible. I.e., to make the main page the AFD tag must be removed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The AfD has not run for the full 5 days and it is not a case for speedy keep. It may not be non-admin closed in those circumstances, and an admin should let it run its course. Perhaps an exception could be made at DYK given the unusual circumstances. Leebo ^T/C 16:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Research Projects

Hello,

I would like to post my research project. Would I post my research findings in Wikisource?

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.233.66 (talk) 16:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource is a library of published works. If your project has not been published in a recognized source, like an academic journal, the answer is no you may not post it. Leebo ^T/C 16:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If Wikisource does not want your material, there are lots of other wikis you might try. --Teratornis 17:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Duplicated coordinates

In Beecher, Illinois, the coordinates appear twice overlaid on each other with a very slight offset in the upper right corner, making them illegible. Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Rmhermen 17:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The article contains two templates that put coordinates in the corner, it looks like. {{Mapit-US-cityscale}} and {{Coor dms}} both appear to place the coordinates, so one of them should be removed from the article. Leebo ^T/C 17:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

{{Coor dms}} doesn't place the coordinates; I think the infobox may be the other template causing the problem. --ais523 17:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, I doublechecked and can't find the second template. Leebo ^T/C 17:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The newer {{Coord}} template fixes this problem by providing options to conditionally display coordinate links in the upper right corner of its containing article. This lets {{Coord}} coexist peacefully with infoboxes and other templates that unconditionally display coordinate links. Therefore, someone should change all the superseded coordinate templates in the Beecher, Illinois article to {{Coord}} instead. I wonder why someone doesn't use a bot to find all the articles with superseded coordinate templates, and either update them, or at least tag them for manual checking? --Teratornis 17:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

foul language

in the D&D report there is some pretty bad at the beginning you might want to clear up. I didn't know how else to report this

Desie@

(email address removed to protect you from spam) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.16.22.18 (talk) 17:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to change it. You can edit almost any article on Wikipedia by just following the Edit link at the top of the page. We encourage you to be bold in updating pages, because wikis like ours develop faster when everybody edits. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. You can always preview your edits before you publish them or test them out in the sandbox. If you need additional help, check out our getting started page or ask the friendly folks at the Teahouse.  :) --Moonriddengirl 17:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like run-of-the-mill vandalism. The featured article of the day always gets heavily vandalized and it is always cleaned up quickly. Leebo ^T/C 18:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hyperlinks in site go to wiki articles

Ok, I have a website that I'm planning on using to make guides on different books.

Each page in my site will cover a different book, so there will be lots of pages.

In each page, I am going to have links for all the different main characters, events, places, etc.. These links all link to a wikipedia article that tells all about that certain character, event, or whatever. This is so I dont have to explain in my guide this information, I can simply give a link and if the person wants to know more, they can click on it and go get that info.

My trouble is, I'm affraid by doing this I'm setting myself up for disaster. I ask myself what if a wiki article gets deleted/moved/renamed? What if the url I'm linking to changes? What if one day there is no more wikipedia? Then, of course, I have bad links!

So, is there a way to automatically redirect your links if a link changes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.146.96 (talk) 18:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

When a page is moved, the old name automatically becomes a redirect to the new name. For deletions and other items... there's not much you can do to prevent that. Leebo ^T/C 18:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can link to an article as normal if you want to get the latest, most recently updated version of the article. If a page is renamed, then nearly always the editor who renames the article will leave a redirect behind, which will cause links in from your website to remain valid. (Some redirects of this sort are very old.) So a move or rename of an article won't cause a problem.

If an article is deleted, there's no way to link to it such that the link is usable by non-administrators. This is deliberate; articles are deleted because they're inappropriate for Wikipedia, and if it were still possible to link to them it would kind of defeat the point of deleting them. Deletion of an established article tends to be pretty rare, though. (See the deletion policy for more information.)

As for if some day there's no more Wikipedia, that would somewhat limit Wikipedia's ability to help you fix your links. There are other websites that copy Wikipedia's content, and database dumps containing the entire content are publically available, so the information is unlikely to be lost altogether, though; in such a case, it would be reasonably likely that someone would buy up the domain name http://wikipedia.org and give links to the new location of the content.

Hope that helps! --ais523 18:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

One straightforward solution is to start your own wiki, preferably one that uses the MediaWiki software. Then you can copy all the pages you need from Wikipedia, protect them from editing in your wiki, and link to them with local wikilinks. If you're going to the trouble of setting up your own Web site, it might as well be (or contain) a wiki. (You can install a wiki into a subdirectory of an existing "traditional" site, and link between your wiki pages and "traditional" HTML pages, if you want to have both.) A wiki is probably the easiest kind of Web site to edit. If you want to link to outside content and you are worried about link rot, see: Internet Archive. Of course there is no guarantee that any Web site will always stay up. Everything that exists today someday won't. It seems hard to imagine Wikipedia vanishing any time soon, given its huge popularity and disproportionately low costs (compared to the other top 10 sites). If Wikipedia did go away, that might imply some sweeping disruption to the whole online environment, such that Wikipedia's disappearance would not be our worst problem. --Teratornis 22:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Policies about non-sovereign sub-nationalities?

I couldn't find a WP page about this: what are our policies about non-sovereign sub-nationalities such as "Texan" or "Scottish" or "Basque"?

Specifically, my problem is an editor replacing "Nationality: British" with "Nationality: Scottish". I thought it obvious enough that the United Kingdom is the sovereign nation, the U.N. member, and the passport, hence "British" -- the fact that the UK recognize some status as "country" to Scotland and Wales is an internal affair, but Wikipedia is supposed to stick to sovereign nations. And I thought it obvious that Scottish, Texan, Quebécois, or Breton, aren't for the field "Nationality", even though they should be indicated too.

So I use "Nationality: British (Scottish)" for the field, which is both encyclopedic and accurate, but that's not good enough for the ethnic warrior. Since it looks like it's going to be an irrational ethnic war, what official policies, guidelines, arbitration cases, or documents do we have about that topic, to supplement common sense when common sense fails? Surely this has been discussed and settled already?

P. S.: Is this the right place to ask? Or should I go to Pump/Policies or elsewhere? — Komusou ^talk @ 19:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a note to other help desk volunteers that this is being answered at the administrator's noticeboard. :) --Moonriddengirl 20:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Notability

Usually I'm pretty decent at determining notability, however Podorowsky, Thompson & Baron has me a bit stumped. It's not quite an advert.. It's somewhat notable... it's not a blatant copy from another site. In my opinion I would say /delete, it's quite obvious the person who created it was likely someone at the firm too. All matters of opinion welcome! --Skywolf ^talk/_contribs 19:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd be tempted to call G11 on it. Not much claim to notability either. Perhaps it would be best to list it at AFD to see what the consensus is going to be? --Pekaje 20:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. There are a number of issues with its sourcing. The first link is a wikilink, not a source. The second link is a small newspaper--may help support notability, but doesn't satisfy it alone. The third source, the pdf, is a primary source which only verifies the sale of land to an attorney; it doesn't substantiate anything in the article, and it doesn't verify notability. The fourth source is from a premium site and per WP:EL "should not be linked unless the web site itself is the topic of the article." (I don't know what it says; I didn't join.) The final source is a student paper article about the undergraduate activities of one of the partners. A google search of the current firm name yields 7 hits, 2 of which are Wikipedia. "Podorowsky & Thompson" gets a good bit more, but it shrinks to 31 distinct, and most of those are advertising sites. (this html version of a pdf file mentions one of the partners; this one confirms the sale of the land. The earliest name hits only Wikipedia. It seems non-notable to me. If this were an AfD, I would support deletion unless significantly more proof of notability could be provided. --Moonriddengirl 20:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Where's the Rest of this Article?

I just added a sentence to Medieval reenactment, and although all the page shows up in the editing code, the displayed article stops dead at my addition. Is this just my system, or is something goofy here? Artemis-Arethusa 19:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You just forgot to close your reference tag. :) Your reference read "<ref>Dan Bilefsky, "Belgians Hail the Middle Ages (Well, Not the Plague Part", ''[[New York Times]]'', Monday, April 9, 2007, p. A4)<ref>. The second <ref> needed to be </ref>. Pretty simple and common mistake. It's happened to me more times than I care to remember. Enough, anyway, that when text disappears, it's the first thing I look for. :D --Moonriddengirl 20:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

honeybee404

How do I get started? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Honeybee404 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have placed a welcome template on your talk page with helpful links to introductory information. Leebo ^T/C 20:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Linking Wikipedia to my client's site

I would like to request a link to the following page. How do I do this? Thanks.

http://www.sonobondultrasonics.com/

Links to commercial sites like this are not generally acceptable. Wikipedia is not a place for advertising. --Orange Mike 22:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

deleted?

Indrid Cold666 20:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)I created a wikiprofile thing for my best friend, who is becoming famous. And it got deleted. why?Indrid Cold666 20:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

There are three processes under which mainspace articles are deleted: 1) speedy deletion; 2) proposed deletion (prod) and 3) Articles for deletion (AfD). For more information, see Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "title," the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on his or her talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If this is not fruitful, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but it will likely only be restored if the deletion was clearly improper. Hope this has helped. --Pekaje 21:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at the deleted history, and it appears to me to have been a WP:BIO vio. Take a look at notability guidelines there. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 22:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Logging in

how do I log in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.31.231 (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You go to the login screen. If this is a new account, please review the username policy. If you run into trouble, you may request assistance at request an account. :) --Moonriddengirl 21:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Bill Lee does NOT live in California

I am Bill's brother Paul. He does not live in California - that is still his father's home. He still lives in his home in Craftsbury, VT, and visits his father in Terra Linda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.190.213 (talk) 22:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Which Bill Lee? We have several. Also, having a source for this will be helpful if the claimed current residence is sourced information. If it's not, then it doesn't really matter, anyone can fix it.--Chaser - T 23:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Removing an edit

I added some factual info to the Michael Bryant(Politician) page on Sept 13 Within 6 hrs,it had been removed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CJCurrie These facts were supported by a link to an Ontario Superior Court Ruling. This is the first time I have even looked at Wikipedia. If users can remove facts that they don`t want the public to know about,how can this possibly be considered a reliable source for factual info? 23:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsthepits (talk • contribs)

Step one is talking to CJCurrie about it at User talk:CJCurrie.--Chaser - T 23:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Flag icons

A bunch of the flag icons aren't working for my computer. For example USA shows up as a blue link to the image in a light gray border, but Germany shows up fine. They are both SVG files, so that can't be it. Others I have noticed aren't working are Canada, and France, but UN Texas Germany BC 1957 Canada do work. Is it just me, or is MediaWiki acting up? --Phirazo 23:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Everything is working for me there except France. --Moonriddengirl 23:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't see the USA and France, but all the rest are there. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

France is back for me. Now it's all visible. --Moonriddengirl 23:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

France seemed to take longer for me, but it's there :O) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Now they all work. What the heck? --Phirazo 00:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

At a aguess, there was something (and I will stick with an indeterminate vague something :O)) on the MediaWiki end. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Strange, it worked for me before, but now USA and Canada are showing up as blank white boxes that link to the images. How very odd.SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 01:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

(deindent) There must be a technical glitch somewhere as I have noticed missing flag icons in articles just now. Currently missing above: Germany and Canada. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 02:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Germany and Canada have seceded from my screen as well. :/ I've been having intermittent trouble getting in to Wikipedia over the last several hours, too. I wonder if there's a connection? Whoa. Canada just came back. --Moonriddengirl 02:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting to think it is a MediaWiki image thing. Germany and the US isn't showing up, but everything else is, and an unrelated item (Image:Merge-arrows.svg) isn't. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. --Phirazo 02:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I also am seeing problems with flag icons. Specifically, I have noticed the following show the wikilinked text "Flag of <country>" instead of the flag image: Brazil, Peoples Republic of China, Dominican Republic, Georgia (country), Japan, Mexico, Singapore, South Korea, Republic of China Taiwan, Venezuela. These are being invoked with the text {{flagicon|<country>}} What's happening? Truthanado 13:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Known problem. They're working on it. --Agüeybaná 22:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

May be related to images in general. The second image on the right in Reference marker (New York) just shows the image's caption text (wikilinked), not the image. Truthanado 00:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not only with the images of countries/ entities (like the flag of Amsterdam, the flag of North-Holland, the flag of the Netherlands, and the flag of the EU), but also with other images, like the number of stars given to a certain album (for an example; Jewels' album '0304' recieved 4,5 stars out of the 5 stars available from All Music Guide, but one can't see that image now), or other wellknown Wikipedia-logos. On the Dutch Wikipedia it is said that it has something to do with the harddisks, and that it is just a matter of waiting. Is this correct? --Robster1983 20:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

September 15

Losing part of a page when editing

I've been trying to edit the "Lake Superior Scottish Regiment" page, and when I hit preview or save, more than 1/2 the previous version of the page has disappeared.

I've paraphrased copy from other web sites (while also footnoting & citing the web pages), but the changes seem to disappear, as well as 1/2 the page???????????

Thanks!

Milnews.ca 01:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Done this myself fairly often, so I see the problem. At least one of the <ref> tags isn't closed. The tag at the end of the reference should be </ref> See the "Where's the Rest of this Article?" section above for more. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 01:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if the MediaWiki software had a wikitext syntax checker that could report such errors during the preview. Something like HTML Tidy for wikitext. --Teratornis 15:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Finding out about a page

Hi. Is there a way to find out how many people have visited a particular page, how many people have visited in a given time peoriod, where most of the visitors are from, how many edits have been made to a page without counting manually, how many revertings have occured, how many times it has been linked to from the Internet, etc? Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 01:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Most edited articles, top 100 viewed articles, Special:Mostrevisions for revision counting, and I think that's all that is available in terms of statistics. I suppose there's always Special:Statistics... Sebi _[talk] 01:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be interesting if we also had a way to find out how many people have requested page hit counters. Given that the hit counters are off due to "performance reasons" (a euphemism for "we lack the money to enable them"), perhaps Wikipedia could start a hit counter enablers fund such that all cash money contributed to that fund would be earmarked for purchasing enough servers to run hit counters on Wikipedia again. --Teratornis 16:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

?

How do you create your own page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilson18 bmw (talk • contribs) 01:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If you'd like to create your own userpage, click on the redlinked name, Wilson18, at the top of the page, and that will take you straight into edit mode for your page. If you'd like to create something different, see Help:Starting a new page. --Elonka 01:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Before creating your user page, it would be helpful to read Wikipedia:User page for things you can and cannot include on your user page. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). An automatic signature will appear with your user name and a date stamp. If you wish to use a custom signature, then you can go to your preferences to change that. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

AFD query.

I need help finding an AFD as per Talk:E. Normus Johnson.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There was no Afd apparently. It was speedily deleted as per CSD A7. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Album Covers

How do I put on album cover on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detox_(album)? I have uploaded the cover but I dont know how to add it to the wiki page of Detox. Heres the link to the image- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Detox_AlbumArt.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by The enchillada (talk • contribs) 02:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it. All you need is the image name, not the whole URL. However, I noticed that the cover you uploaded doesn't have any licensing information, which means it could be deleted. Please see the message I left on your talk page to fix this.--Werdan7^{T @} 02:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I've added the appropriate license. Note that when you upload images that are non-free, you must specify the source of the image (where you got the image), the appropriate license (you have a scrollbar with them when you upload an image), and place a fair-use rationale as to why the use of that image constitutes fair-use. Read WP:NFCC for details. As for an example of a fair-use rationale, see Image:ハレ晴レユカイcover.jpg. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem with a contributor

Hello

I don't understand something. My name is Don Reid and whenever I make a contribution under "Don Reid" some other guy called Don Reid deletes my contribution. why is that allowed?

Regards

Don Reid —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donreid (talk • contribs) 03:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems that your edits are not relevant to the article in question. The Don Reid article is about a basketball player, while you seem to be writing about someone completely different. Editors are allowed to revert your contributions if they feel it is detrimental to the article in question. If your edit is not constructive, then it is likely someone will revert the page to a better version. Also note that this edit is definitely not constructive, and is considered vandalism. Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility. We strive to maintain a civil community that works towards improving these articles, and edits such as the above are not helpful. If you are ever confused as to why your edit was reverted, you are free to contact the editor who did so on his talk page, User talk:Mkeranat in this case. Anyway, you are still highly encouraged to continue editing; just stay out of the troublesome spots outlined above. Thank you. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 03:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're the Don Reid from Canberra, you're not "making a contribution under 'Don Reid'", you're sticking stuff about yourself onto the article about a major basketball star. Wikipedia is not MySpace or Facebook; ordinary users like myself and yourself do not get articles about us in the Wikipedia. You can put information about yourself on your Userpage, which will be found here, just as information about me is on my userpage, etc. --Orange Mike 04:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia biographies should be about people satisfying Wikipedia:Notability (people). Note that Wikipedia:Conflict of interest discourages writing about yourself in articles (it's usually accepted in userpages). I see no reason to think the basketball player Don Reid has edited the article. If we have biographies of two people with the same name then they get different page names, for example Don Reid and Don Reid (music). PrimeHunter 04:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You can use your personal User page to write about yourself. That's at User:Donreid. Corvus cornix 23:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Country Flags not appearing

Hi, Does anyone know why certain country flags might not be appearing for some reason. They used to appear but today for some reason they are not. When i click on it, the flag appears in full on a seperate page but not in an article as in a small flag. It has happened on this page, but there are others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Twenty20_World_Championship Look at the Kenya and Pakistan ones. If anyone knows, i'll tell the other pages Roadrunnerz45 04:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

This is also discussed higher up in #Flag icons. There is currently no answer there and it also varies which flags I see. PrimeHunter 05:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

a line

How do I enter a line into a page (it's for userspace, not a main article). To clarify, I mean one of those lines which appear beneath a section header produced when you do ==title==. Thanks, -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs | (Template:Ustatus/ColourCoded) 05:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Four hyphens ---- produce:

---

PrimeHunter 05:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia logo

I was wondering if the image used in the top-left corner of English Wikipedia bothers anyone. The one at French Wikipedia, for example, has less anti-aliased text and a cleaner globe. ALTON .ıl 05:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

ermmm not especially.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 05:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The image is indeed slightly better. However, it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over, considering that that's rarely my focus when I open a Wikipedia page. No worries though. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

No, neither me. Is this a Meta issue, though, for I will raise it there. ALTON .ıl 09:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Mechanics of Solids

What is mass moment of inertia? How can I calculate it? Especially I am interested in having a solved example on Ixy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.5.150.249 (talk) 05:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

check the reference desk.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 05:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics, although I believe it would be the former. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

But if you do, we will ask you to first read moment of inertia, which answers your questions. -Arch dude 15:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Country Flags

Hi all. I am just wanting to know if there is a glitch with the country flags that are being used on the wiki sports pages (mainly football). I noticed that on the Stirling Albion F.C. page that the Scotland flag is not showing, all that is showing is text saying flag of scotland. also noticed its the same for flags on the FA Cup Final 2007 page. Could this bee looked into thanks Gorillamusic 09:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's broken at the moment for most of the flags. Have a look at List of countries for a flavour of how many you can't see. ;) No idea why, but it's not just you. KTC 09:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Creating lines starting with blanks

I need to create an example copied from a book . Numbers and stars have to be in the correct position on a line. Due to the above a lot of the lines start with a blank. How does one create those blanks. Indenting will not be exact enough Thanks Peter —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterDKnight (talk • contribs) 09:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You can try   to insert a non-breaking space.

 Like this.

  And this.

   Or this.

What kind of example are you asking about? If you find something difficult to do with wikitext markup, you should explain your real goals at the highest level, instead of asking about how to implement one specific means to the end. The particular method you have in mind may not be the most efficient way to reach your real (unstated) goal, whatever that is. By asking about one specific method, which may not even be the best method, you create a potential red herring to misdirect people who try to answer your question. --Teratornis 15:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The example is multiply x 12 taken from the actual book If we wish to multiply 413 by 12, it goes like this:

                  *

First step: 0413 X 1 2

                  6          double the right-hand figure and
                             carry it down
                            (there is no neighbor)

The star has to be above the 3 the 6 below the 3 and the 2 last lines start below double. There are 4 steps with similar spacing to complete the example. I originally tried inserting in a block and added line feeds on each line. Here I have just typed it in. What causes the spacing on the actual page, it is closer to my requirement and the &nbsc would fix it. --PeterDKnight 16:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The easiest way to control spacing is to indent every line by one space, but this is not very pretty (the fixed-space formatting is intended for code examples):

• If we wish to multiply 413 by 12, it goes like this:

                   *
First step:     0413   X   1 2
                   6          double the right-hand figure and
                              carry it down
                              (there is no neighbor)

See: WP:EDIT#No or limited formatting—showing exactly what is being typed. For a more attractive result, you could use a table. And will you be copying an example straight out of a book? If so, you may be violating copyright. --Teratornis 16:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

 Like this.

  And this.

   Or this.

What kind of example are you asking about? If you find something difficult to do with wikitext markup, you should explain your real goals at the highest level, instead of asking about how to implement one specific means to the end. The particular method you have in mind may not be the most efficient way to reach your real (unstated) goal, whatever that is. By asking about one specific method, which may not even be the best method, you create a potential red herring to misdirect people who try to answer your question. --Teratornis 15:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The example is multiply x 12 taken from the actual book If we wish to multiply 413 by 12, it goes like this:

                  *

First step: 0413 X 1 2

                  6          double the right-hand figure and
                             carry it down
                            (there is no neighbor)

The star has to be above the 3 the 6 below the 3 and the 2 last lines start below double. There are 4 steps with similar spacing to complete the example. I originally tried inserting in a block and added line feeds on each line. Here I have just typed it in. What causes the spacing on the actual page, it is closer to my requirement and the &nbsc would fix it. --PeterDKnight 16:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The easiest way to control spacing is to indent every line by one space, but this is not very pretty (the fixed-space formatting is intended for code examples):

• If we wish to multiply 413 by 12, it goes like this:

                   *
First step:     0413   X   1 2
                   6          double the right-hand figure and
                              carry it down
                              (there is no neighbor)

See: WP:EDIT#No or limited formatting—showing exactly what is being typed. For a more attractive result, you could use a table. And will you be copying an example straight out of a book? If so, you may be violating copyright. --Teratornis 16:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help. You maybe right about copyright. Fair use and fair dealing

   Main articles: Fair use and Fair dealing

Copyright does not prohibit all copying or replication. In the United States, the fair use doctrine, codified by the Copyright Act of 1976 as 17 U.S.C. Section 107, permits some copying and distribution without permission of the copyright holder or payment to same. The statute does not clearly define fair use, but instead gives four non-exclusive factors to consider in a fair use analysis. Those factors are:

  1. the purpose and character of your use
  2. the nature of the copyrighted work
  3. what amount and proportion of the whole work was taken, and
  4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

I would think in this case the small example copied would encourage people to buy the book. To delete my notes or not to delete ? What do you think ? Would the site Administrator be able to help ? --PeterDKnight 20:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Copyrights. One complication is that contributions to Wikipedia must be freely redistributable under the GFDL; that changes the equation for fair use. (Lots of people copy from Wikipedia; see: Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks.) I'm not an expert on copyrights, except to say that common-sense reasoning doesn't always apply when it comes to copyright. --Teratornis 07:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help and advice. Re-wrote the article totally and got the indenting right. --PeterDKnight 14:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Admin abuse

What is the proper way to report Wikipedia admin abuse of power? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.133.0 (talk) 09:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk to the admin, by leaving a message on there talk page. see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes for more info.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 10:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

And when that doesnt work?... 66.176.133.0 10:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

seek out the arbitration committee in if everything else fails.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 10:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Where is the arbitration committee? 66.176.133.0 10:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.133.0 (talk) 11:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There's a link to it within Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. But arbitration is the last step. Before you go there, you follow the other steps, including the intermediate step of Requests for comment. If the behavior is specifically misuse of administrator tools, it's listed under "use of administrator privileges". And do please try approaching the individual first if possible, as set out at Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. --Moonriddengirl 11:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

But use the first suggested method first. :-) Lradrama 10:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I start a fresh new article?

How do I do this as yet I can only work out how to edit/add to existing articles. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djthejetsetter (talk • contribs) 11:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation..Good luck and happy editing. :) --Moonriddengirl 11:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I asked this same question months ago. I agree there needs to be a more obvious route. Why should we logically go to a "Help" page every time to start one. 216.95.55.112 05:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You need an account to create an article. There are several ways to create a page and I guess few are created via Help:Starting a new page which works like the Go button on every page. PrimeHunter 05:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Deleting subpage

I have a subpage on my user page I had created as secondary sandbox. How can I delete it? Aelwyn 13:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Blank the page, and then place {{Db-author}} on it. Hope that helps! ^Ariel♥Gold 13:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Db-author will probably work. However, {{db-userreq}} is tailored for the purpose.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahh yep forgot about that one, even better, lol. Thanks Fuhghettaboutit! ^Ariel♥Gold 13:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

:-)--Fuhghettaboutit 13:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Aelwyn 17:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

SAVE Program

I am the SAVE Program Chief and wanted to post information about this program on Wikipedia. It is not a business. It is a federal government program that provides immigration status verification. I work for the Department of Homeland Security, US Citizenship & Immigration Services. I am the owner of this information, but a bot thinks the information is copywrited. The bot doesn't understand that I am the owner as a representative of this branch of the federal government. Thank you for your assiatnce.--Boundsdh 13:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)David H. Bounds

Hello Boundsdh, and welcome! Please review the conflict of interest guideline, first, which basically says that you should not create articles about yourself, your company, your business, your friends, or family, as you may not be able to edit neutrally. Second, see the notability requirements for companies. Third, please review reliable sources and citing your sources. I'd also suggest reviewing the core policies of Wikipedia, as well as what Wikipedia is not. Basically, if your program/company is notable enough, someone else, who is neutral, will create the article, and if you'd like to provide suggestions or information, you should do so on the article's talk page, to avoid Conflict of Interest. Hope that helps clear things up! ^Ariel♥Gold 13:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Just want to note that editing pages which are of conflict to you (family, etc.) is not forbidden as long as a) it is notable, and b) the edits are verifiable and neutral. If you can do this, you may. However, it is discouraged due to the difficulty involved. Smartyshoe 13:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is a guideline, but one that is encouraged as it is very difficult to remain non-biased when writing about something you're closely related to. It is not impossible, however. If you feel your company is notable per the guideline, you could always request the article through articles for creation, adding reputable, third party sources, and the reviewers there can create it if it passes. Hope this is all helpful! ^Ariel♥Gold 13:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The article has been deleted under various criteria and not just as a copyright violation (the deletion log entry is here). It was first deleted as advertizing under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion. When next posted, it was blanked by you and thereafter deleted as "author requested" under section G7, which is how such blanking may be interpreted. Putting aside these other deletions and the COI issue, I don't think the recent deletion as a copyright violation was proper. The content of U.S. government websites is in the public domain unless it includes works on its websites which are copyrighted by someone else.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Boundsdh. It sounds to me like we need to have an article on SAVE in Wikipedia and that your information is a valuable resource for the article. Thanks. If you created the original material in your capacity as a US federal employee, then you are not technically the holder of the copyright: the material is in the public domain by federal statute. If you wrote an article in your private capacity, then you are the copyright holder and you have control of the creative expression in the article via automatic action of copyright law: nobody can directly copy your creative work except as prescribed by law. In this case you may choose to grant a license to your work to Wikiopedia under the GFDL. Wikipedia cannot accept your work unless you grant the GFDL license even if you do hold the copyright. As a separate issue, you are not the "owner" of the "information" in any case, only of your particular expression of the information. All of these are picky details that all of the Wikipedia editors (including me and you) must be aware of to ensure that Wikipedia does not get sued. -Arch dude 15:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Boundsdh, if you are an employee of the DHS, then the information would not belong to you, but to the Department. Corvus cornix 23:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

data mining and warehousing

Geetanjaali 14:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)i am a new user of wikipedia. what is the process to pose a question regarding a subject?

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Data mining. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that does not solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They will be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. :) --Moonriddengirl 14:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Company pages like Yahoo & Google

Hi,

how does one get to create a page like yahoo and google company information pages in Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meetmrnrg (talk • contribs) 14:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Company articles should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 15:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What is the bloody point?

Ok, why must wikipedia write pages such as Mud or Wallpaper? who on earth bothers to look at these boring pages? They just seem pointless. And its kinda sad to actually write an essay on Mud isnt it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laoekaanser (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedias are supposed to cover a wide range of topics, even ones that may not be particularly interesting to most individuals. Since nobody is forcing you to read those pages, may I suggest that you simply don't read them? You'd be amazed at what kinds of obscure or completely mundane things people are capable of writing a good article about. --Pekaje 15:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Make a list of 100 articles you consider important enough to include in Wikipedia. I will wager any amount of money that for each article on your list, somewhere on Earth there exists at least one person who finds that article boring and pointless. The point of an encyclopedia is to make it comprehensive. Of course we don't expect that any one person should find every article of burning interest. Like, duh. As to why those particular articles exist, you could check their histories to see who wrote them, and ask them to explain why they find those topics interesting enough to write about. Mud might seem a silly topic, but it has changed the course of history more than once. For example, Hitler might have defeated the Soviet Union had it not been for the mud of Russia bogging down his tanks and supply trucks at a critical time in Operation Barbarossa. Given that 70% of German casualties in World War II were on the Eastern front, it is unlikely that the United States and the United Kingdom could have defeated Germany if the Soviet Union had fallen as readily as France did. --Teratornis 15:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

woow! I have never been more interested in mud! mud is soo cool!

What can you write that is more interesting than Mud? Show us. --Teratornis 16:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Urgent! something seems to be destroying all the chess diagrams

It seems something is destroying all the chess diagrams, and I cannot find what. You can see an example of such a diagram in the chess article for example, looking at the diagram on the right with the caption "The position of the pieces at the start of a game of chess".

Normally such diagrams are generated using Template:Chess diagram but it does not work anymore. I assumed some evil force had deleted one of the numerous images used in this template, but I cannot find what happened.

Maybe it is just my computer that went mad, but can someone have rapidly a look and explain the matter on Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess ? Thanks SyG 15:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

According to the devs, Wikipedia is having some server stress issues that are causing the server to prioritize things, and some images are not showing up. It should return to normal soon. Sorry for the confusion! ^Ariel♥Gold 15:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It might be related to the Country Flags problem mentioned above. Sbowers3 16:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, as it seems to be a general image thumbnail cache problem. If I were to guess what is stressing the servers, it would be the recaching of all the thousands of pages tagged for various kinds of cleanup. Changing all those templates in one go was probably not the brightest move ... :-) --Pekaje 17:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your answers! Just for information, the problem is still going on for the moment. SyG 17:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Then again, the template update could have been all in CSS (haven't checked), in which case it's not the culprit. Oh well, these things happen and blow over again eventually. --Pekaje 17:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

which part of cow

My favorite meat is pot roast WHICH PART of the cow is it cut from? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.214.120.66 (talk) 16:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to the Pot roast (beef) article, it's taken from the chuck cut, a relatively tough piece of beef. However, this really isn't the place to be asking this kind of question; the help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. From now on, just user the search bar, or try over at the reference desk, okay? GlassCobra 16:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks, now I want some beef... GlassCobra 16:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Some people complain that Wikipedia is not safe for kids. One wonders what the cows must think. --Teratornis 20:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

How do you add a picture??

I would like to add a picture that I took but see no option to add it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Hagar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanhager (talk • contribs) 17:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

First you need to upload it (see WP:UPIMG). Remember to give it a descriptive name and to state that it's a picture you took yourself. Also remember to select a free license. Once you upload it, just edit the article and add the name to the "img" parameter of the infobox, and add a descriptive caption to "img_capt". All but the first letter of the filename are case sensitive. --Pekaje 17:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If you are ready know the kind of image you are uploading go to Special:Upload. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 20:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Scrollbar

If I have a huge list of items and want to arrange them so that only a few show at a time and the list can be scrolled up and down using a vertical scroll bar, how do I do that? -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

See Template:Scroll box. I can't believe that it was so easy to create them. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Bah, I ran into the spam filter twice, then two edit conflicts trying to answer this, and you've already found the answer. Myself, I tend to do it directly using div tags (<div style="oXverflow: aXuto; height: xxxx;". (Xs added to circumvent spam filter) For example:

Bla

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GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

footnotes

How do I add footnotes without the amended section vanishing from the page?SLY111 18:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)SLY111

Make sure to add </ref> to the end of the footnote, or Mediawiki assumes it continues til the end of the section. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If it isn't there already then add a reference section containing for example <references/> to display the footnotes. See more at Wikipedia:Footnotes. PrimeHunter 18:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

how to download articles from wikipedia

i want to know the steps for downloading articles from wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunilangovan (talk • contribs) 18:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "download articles"? --Orange Mike 18:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC) (and please sign your posts by adding four tildes ~ to the end of your text)

If you want to download Wikipedia's database, see: WP:DUMP. If you want to download the rendered HTML of a single article and pipe it into other programs, see: Pipeline (Unix)#Example. If you want a fairly simple way to read Wikipedia articles offline, see: TomeRaider. If you want to write a question we can understand...unfortunately there are no instructions for that. --Teratornis 19:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What's the problem? In your browser say "save page". What's hard to understand? But it's interesting that the saved pages aren't the same format that you see on site. Images arranged differently etc. Don't know why. 216.95.55.233 22:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

viruses

hey .got a qusetion ? how do you do get rid of a trogan horse viures off your computer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.131.254 (talk) 20:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

this is for question about USING WIKIPEDIA ONLY try http://symantec.org/ or http://www.pandasecurity.com/usa/ DeSalvionjr Talk | Contribs 20:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. --Pekaje 20:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Dr.Chris Obinwa's Biography or Profile

I want to know how biography is entered in wikipedia--Chris obinwa 20:34, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean?Smartyshoe 20:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

We at wikipedia don't encourage writing personal articles. Try getting a website or something at freewebs.com to make your own website or autobiography. DeSalvionjr Talk | Contribs 20:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Suggest reading notability guidelines for biographies as well. Into The Fray ^T/C 22:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes

How can I put something like this fan is a user of the Hulk or Ron stoppable?--The K.O. King 21:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess you mean this user is a fan of the The Hulk or this user is a fan of Ron Stoppable. We don't appear to have userboxes for them now. You can make a suggestion at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Ideas. PrimeHunter 23:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

How do I delete wording that has been posted by someone else?Zynx5000 21:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You can do it manually by clicking [edit this page] at the top or the [edit] section buttons and remove the text, or you can revert a user's edit using the page history. See Help:Revert for more information. Sebi _[talk] 22:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

html code for spaces

What's the code for leaving spaces in a line? 216.95.55.233 22:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Can you be a little more specific, please? Sebi _[talk] 22:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Horizontally. 216.95.55.233 22:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess you are looking for a non-breaking space which is written &nbsp; PrimeHunter 23:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not an expert and now I need to interpret your answer. Do you mean like "&10" if I want to leave 10 spaces in a line. (Uh, everyone knows what a line is, don't they?) 216.95.55.233 01:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be using the word "line" a bit differently from most. Basically, on Wikipedia, you usually just hit the spacebar to make a space.

If you're wanting something different from that, you will need to clarify it for us. -- Kesh 01:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

&nbsp; gives one space. Write it ten times in a row to get 10 spaces: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

Depending on your purpose, other methods may be preferred. Starting a line with a space here at Wikipedia will write the line in a box with fixed width characters including all spaces. Starting consecutive lines with a space makes them part of the same box. For example:

1 space after the number on this line
2  spaces after the number
3   spaces
4    spaces
5     spaces

PrimeHunter 01:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

We're starting to get somewhere. I looked at the article you referenced PrimeHunter, and I'm not specifically after "non-breaking", but it might be. So I repeat "&nbsp" for each single space I want. Cumbersome, thought there might be a shorthand. Have to use it, but it's not satisfactory code method. Point is that just spacing a number of times does not produce those spaces. It's for layout. I did say "spaces" plural! 216.95.55.233 02:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Test: This space       is a demo. Seems to work. 216.95.55.233 02:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's cumbersome because it's rarely used. What kind of formatting are you trying to accomplish? It might be easier with something else, but we still don't know what you're actually trying to do yet. -- Kesh 02:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Man all I want is to leave any number of spaces, for whatever purpose I may have. That is clear. Any formatting reason. Why should it be hard? Consider this. What if we'd like to set an image at a certain distance. Just an example, nothing to debate pro or con. It's time to create a new code in html. Also, I do need a way to leave spaces that WILL break and carry to the next line. 216.95.55.233 03:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Different methods are good for different purposes, and some purposes require a specific method. html coded pages are rendered differently with different browsers, fonts, window sizes, etc. It's best to select a method that is likely to give a good result in all or many circumstances. Images should rarely be positioned by inserting multiple spaces. It's not stable enough when circumstances change. Help:Images and other uploaded files includes some information on image positioning. PrimeHunter 04:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

For your curiosity see what I've done between the images at "Tom and Jerry (guitarists)". Ain't that glorious?
(why would you want to do that..........)
216.95.55.129 07:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

On my screen the second image on Tom and Jerry (guitarists) is displayed below the first with 0 pixels between them. PrimeHunter 13:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Consumer complaint site is a thing in and of itself.

I was attempting to write about a consumer complaint site as a thing in and of itself. However, I am unable to do so as the article was deleted due to it being an attack or being a soapbox stand. I feel that the article was impartial and deleted in error. Further, that although it was about a consumer complaint site it was impartial and dealt only with the site itself as a medium of social change or voice. I discussed only what was on the site and listed other similar sites as further examples of this type of consumer activity. What recourse do I have in matters such as this. Would an entry about these consumer complaint sites in mass be acceptable? As these sites are discussed in the media and even ranked by Forbes, and various newspapers I feel that they are acceptable topic for inclusion. Please advise me on what additions or deletions would enable this article to be posted? I assumed that as soon as a site receives national attention, and can be described factually and historically as an entity of it's own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donating intellect (talk • contribs)

This is not the place to paste your repost of the deleted article. For deletion review, please see: Wikipedia:Deletion review. Into The Fray ^T/C 22:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

A few problems. First, I can't find any references to prove notability. A Google news search turned up nothing; if you say it is featured in all those articles and websites, you need to provide some sort of proof. (A link to the article) Also, most of the articles mentioned seem to just be mentions in a longer list or a mention in an article/show. That's not really enough for notability. "8/13/03: ZoomZoomZoom a New Zealand based vendor of shareware encryption software proudly displays the anti-American Express banner. Click on the banner to read their AMEX story." The way this is written (without a banner to click on) makes it look like it was copied from somewhere. The milestones seem to include everything good that ever happened to the website or what they promote, which is a bit of a WP:NPOV violation. "4/27/03: Ex-client of American Express Financial Advisors writes a letter to the editor of Investmentnews.com. The title of this letter is At AEFA, the commitment is to commissions." - What does that have to do with the website? The "Other Company Specific Consumer Complaint Sites" and "See also" sections: notice none of those sites have articles; is this site that much more notable? The "References" section - none of it has anything to do with the article; its all info and press releases about Ameriprise. Finally, I don't think the website qualifies to be in Category:Financial services companies of the United States. Mr.Z-man 22:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

New Logo of Wikipedia proposal

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File:NEW WIKIPEDIA LOGO NEW.JPG New Wikipedia Logo I have made a new logo for Wikipedia. Can you please make it the new logo now. Thank You. Diroectaable 22:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Hi! Sorry, but we need to have a consensus before we change the logo, and that consensus would have to be cross-wiki for all the wikipedia projects. It just is not going to happen. Sorry. :-) Stwalkerster talk 22:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Please make a concensus for my new logo. Why is it not perfect for Wikipedia. Diroectaable 22:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Please see WP:CONSENSUS. This would be a major change to all languages of Wikipedia, and it seems extremely unlikely that a request to change the logo would ever gain adequate consensus. — Malcolm (talk) 22:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Consensus means agreement. The majority of people from all the wikis would have to agree that your logo is better. The chances of that happening are nearly nil... Gscshoyru 22:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC) The logo you created is ugly and the word Wikipedia is spelled incorrectly. A.Z. 22:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC) No need to bite. — Malcolm (talk) 22:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I sorta like this one better than our existing one, actually. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 22:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC) It is not an ugly logo. Please deny this , and what spelling? a majority of people believe this logo is better. Make it the logo now. Diroectaable 22:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC) It's spelled "Wikipedia", not "Wikipendia". And we can't make it the logo. — Malcolm (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Addendum: Consensus doesn't equal the majority of people supporting it, and what is is this majority you're talking about, anyway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolm (talk • contribs) 22:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC) — Malcolm (talk) 23:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Wikipendia as opposed to wikipedia. Gscshoyru 22:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I think we have no chance of changing the logo, especially to one in which "Wikipedia" is spelled wrong, no matter how beautiful it is. Smartyshoe 22:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC) For a majority of cultures and languages, Wikipendia is easier to say then Wikipedia. Also please change the name of the whole website to Wikipendia, and make my logo the new logo. Its easier for everyone. Diroectaable 22:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Please stop asking. There's really no chance we can change it. — Malcolm (talk) 23:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Just out of curiosity, where exactly did you read/hear that wikipendia is easier to say than wikipedia. AngelOfSadness talk 23:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC) It looks ugly to me. It's a matter of taste. The current logo is terrible as well. I had never noticed it before. A.Z. 22:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I have many French/German/Russia friends that tell me that Wikipedia is difficult to say in their accent. They would prefer Wikipendia, so that is why it should be changed. As for the logo, it is more colorful and user-friendly. The other logo presents legal clashes as it looks like alot of other logos. Diroectaable 23:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Diroectaable, how old are you? This is a game for mature people. Is that enough said? 216.95.55.233 23:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC) 20 years of age. This is not a game. Not is not enough said. Just make it the logo, and change "Wikipedia" to Wikipendia" and everyone will be happy. Everybody hates the current logo. Diroectaable 23:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I don't hate the current logo. Also, wikipedia is such named as it is a cross between the words "wiki" and "encyclopedia". Do you also propose changing the word encyclopedia to encyclopendia because "it's easier to say"? Smartyshoe 23:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I don't. If you want to change the logo and the name, this is the wrong place to propose it. None of us have the technical ability to change the logo. --Agüeybaná 23:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC) You have to understand wikipedia is called that for a reason. The name is made of "wiki"(a page anyone can edit) and "pedia"(ending of enclyopedia). Seeing as this is an online encylopedia that anyone can edit the name is perfect. Also it's known world wide as Wikipedia for years so I seriously doubt they're going to change the name any time soon. Your logo, while it is a fresh idea, doesn't come across as being very serious whereas the current logo is. Also with the amount of comotion this helpdesk debate has caused I seriously doubt that changing it will make everybody happy. AngelOfSadness talk 23:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Also, "You can do best with us" does not make a lot of sense. I don't think it is even grammatically correct. We are trying to emphasize the "free" aspect of the site, which is why we use the current slogan. You say the "other logo presents legal clashes as it looks like alot of other logos" - like what? What other logos consist of a sphere made of puzzle pieces? Mr.Z-man 23:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Personally, I don't like it as much. However this should be brought to Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Ok, many countries for example change langauges or simplify it for everyones benefit, such as China simplifing its language from Traditional to Simplified Chinese. Making it Wikipendia would be helpful to much more people. You people doubt it because you are native english speakers in general. Wikipedia isnt like a business, its a free encloyclopedia, the word "free" means that we should be able to change the logo that everyone else prefers, and change the name thats easier for everyone else. As for the slogan, it is inspirational, and it uses simple language to comminicate with english learners. and the old logo looks like "Geospatial Technologies" logo. Change it for the better. I am sure Jimbo would like it better. Diroectaable 23:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Guys, this is obviously a joke. A user comes in with less than complete mastery of the language, makes up mottos, pretends not to understand the system, etc. Sound Familiar?--YbborTalk 23:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC) I am insulted that you compare me to a Kazhakstani joke, I am an Afrikaner, not a troll, not a vandal . If you believe that this is a joke, then I have all right to be insulted. I do understand the system and I obey it. How am I breaking the rules? Diroectaable 23:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC) This is not the right page or even the right website to propose such a change. It would need to be proposed in a place where it would apply to every Wikipedia, not just this one. Somewhere on meta (though I'm not sure exactly where) would be the place for this. Here, even if there was unanimous support, there would be nothing we can do. Mr.Z-man 23:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC) But as for now, the majority rules that the new logo and slogan is needed for Wikipedia to run suffiently. Ybbor needs to be disiplinced I believe, due to his strong accusition and insult towards myself. Diroectaable 00:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC) The majority of people supporting this isn't consensus, and what "majority" are you talking about? No matter how many times you bring it up here, it won't be changed. Propose it at meta (though it's still unlikely to be changed). — Malcolm (talk) 00:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Where are you getting "the majority rules that the new logo and slogan is needed for Wikipedia to run suffiently" in this discussion from? I see it as the majority are against it, looking at the above comments of course AngelOfSadness talk 00:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Hey everybody, please stop feeding the troll. Thanks. android79 00:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC) AngelOfSadness, I said that statement because there are more people that dont speak english than speak it, and some people are feeble minded so the logo would relate to them, it would relate to children aswell for using Wikipedia as a learning resource. By Majority, I dont mean a majority of Wikipedians, I mean majority of the world. And the slogan is simple and effective. and to Android79, stop it, I am not a troll as I explained above. I dont need these insults. Diroectaable 00:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's not feed this troll, okay? -- Kesh 00:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Missing astronomical symbols

This may be a similar problem to that discussed at #Flag icons above. On the article Astronomical symbols, some of the symbols do not appear in the table, and some do. The ones that are missing have the alt text showing. I checked the image tags and they are written correctly. Showing the symbols would seem to be important on a page about symbols. Also, the same symbols are missing from each planet's individual page (i.e., the alt text is on top of the infobox at Mercury, but the symbol shows properly at Earth.

Hmmmm, they don't show up here, either. — Michael J 22:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Known problem. They're working on it. --Agüeybaná 22:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a solution, slow but it works. It will not solve the whole problem, but one image at a time. Go to the images pages at the commons and at the end of each url add, &action=purge. This tend to solve the problem. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. It seems now that all of the symbols except Earth are visible. I'll keep watching. — Michael J 00:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I purged Earth's icon, and it works now. — Kieff | Talk 00:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

{{db-copyvio}}

A user thinks that he can use {{db-copyvio}} on an image. I have experience in speedy deletion, and I am almost completely sure that that template cannot be used in the Image namespace, but I have been known to be wrong before, so I am requesting your help. Can that template be used in the Image manespace? If not, what is the correct venue to be used to deleted suspected copyvios? --Agüeybaná 22:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the template is but you might want to look at WP:CSD#I9. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but the image I'm talking about already claims it is fair use. WP:CSD#I9 does not apply there. --Agüeybaná 23:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Eddie. Well I took a look at Category:Copyright violations for speedy deletion, and there are other images there. I going to assume you can use the template until someone proves me wrong, and then I shall humbly say I stand corrected. The nominator needs to provide a url, and then I will find out whether it is a vio or not. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Question about the page Gosh

I'm just curious, how did this article get created by an anonymous user? SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 22:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous page creation was not always disallowed. ssepp^(talk) 23:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

See also this signpost text: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-12-05/Page creation restrictions. ssepp^(talk) 23:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

In the early days of Wikipedia, article creation by IPs was enabled in the MediaWiki software. That was later disabled, but Jimbo said that it may be enabled once again in the future. --Agüeybaná 23:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

To calrify, Jimbo's remarks were talking about doing that in conjunction with Wikipedia:Flagged revisions. For the record, my own personal feeling is against New page creation by anonymous users. --Ybbor^Talk 23:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Unlikly that anons will ever be able to create new pages again otherwise we will have to ahve a "new pages patrol" along with Recent changes patrol lol. 71.113.5.56 23:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, we do have a newpages patrol. — Malcolm (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There already is one. See the Wikipedia:New page patrol. --Agüeybaná 23:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 23:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

September 16

How do you link inside your page to your references

Hi, I am trying to find out how you make your references in the text look like [1] [2] etc... and then when you click on the number it automatically scrolls down to your reference list? Someone please help? Isa Alcala 00:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Add a section near the bottom of the article with text like this:

==References==

{{Reflist}}

Now, where you want a reference link to appear in the text, cite your source like so: <ref>text of reference</ref> Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources for more information.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

For a specific example, just go to any random article with a reference and take a look how it was done there. Useight 00:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

article on antarctic ice shelf

This heading was added by 172.166.159.35 with no text. Do you have a question about an article? If so then please give the exact name. There is no article called "Antarctic ice shelf". PrimeHunter 00:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a Ross ice shelf article. Also see List_of_glaciers#Antarctica. --Teratornis 02:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

authorship

how does one determine the authorship of any given page? Martauwo 01:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Click on the "history" tab at the top of the page. That will show you each edit that has been made. Most pages have hundreds of edits by different people. -- Kesh 01:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Click the "history" tab at the top to see contributers to a page (there are often many). People who ask this are often interested in how to cite a Wikipedia article. Click "Cite this article" in the toolbox on the left to see how to cite an article in different styles. See also Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 01:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks Martauwo 02:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

me again, all i seem to be able to find when i look at this history is the history of the discussion, not the actual authors of the article - can you please advise? thanks Martauwo 02:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Each line of the history (though they may have edit summaries describing their changes) is actually a change that was made to the article. Discussion of articles takes place on their talk pages (see discussion tab at the top of the article). Happy editing. Into The Fray ^T/C 02:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. To figure out from whom an article originated, generally speaking, you can simply scan all the way back to the oldest edit and there's the original editor. Sometimes this doesn't work if the page has been moved, though. Into The Fray ^T/C 02:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are a collaborative effort. There's no single author: every person who has ever edited the article is considered one of the authors. Like PrimeHunter mentioned, if you're looking for this information to cite a Wikipedia article, you should instead click the "Cite this article" link on the left-hand side of the page for the correctly formatted information. -- Kesh 02:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're getting the history of the discussion, make sure you're clicking on the history tab from the article's main page, not the talk page. --Ybbor^Talk 03:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

images

What is happening to all the images? Some of them include the flags of certain countries, but seriously. What is going on?!Kitty53 01:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

See above. There's a minor problem with the servers. It's being worked on. -- Kesh 01:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

editing page and it keeps going back

every time edit a page it changes back to the way it was?

why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverickgallser (talk • contribs) 03:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the article you are trying to edit, someone is reverting it. He seems to think you are vandalising the article by changing some of the information. I don't know if the information you're changing it to is true, or if the original info is true. If you cited any info you change, perhaps that would help keep your edits.

Also, don't forget to sign your comments by placing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of the comment. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 03:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

An editor seems to be considering your edits to be vandalism. I'd suggest you check the edit history of the article you've been editing to see who has been "reverting" your edits (they'll usually leave an edit summary with the words "RV" or "revert" in it) and contacting them for the reasoning. You may also want to check our policies on biographies of living people and conflict of interest. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

Will you please let me know when the "Okiayu" redirect is ready?

Kitty53 03:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You are able to create the redirect yourself - go to the Okiayu page, and type #REDIRECT [[target page]] on the first line of the edit box, then save the page. You don't need to go through Articles for creation, as you're a registered user. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

the [edit] tag

Hi. I messed up my userpages. I'm transcluding a header page onto my other userspace pages, but since I've done that the [edit] link found next to each section title has disappeared. Is there a way of including the link manually? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 03:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it. You had a "__NOEDITSECTION__" magic word at the top of your header, which was causing all pages using that header to remove their section edit links. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Halle Berry formatting problem

Help. I can't figure out how to fix the screwed up formatting at the bottom of the article. Clarityfiend 03:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

All fixed. :) Someone had removed a bracket at one point or another. GlassCobra 04:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Orobanchaceae page

I have done some editing on the Orobanchaceae page, including adding all the genera in that family (now 90 instead of 20 as was previously posted). Two genera automatically link to other pages, but they need editing. The first is the genus Centranthera that, for some reason, links to a page on orchids. This is not correct and it should not point to that page. The second problem is with the genus Melasma. This also refers to a skin condition. So, it needs a disambiguation, with the plant version of the word pointing to the correct page. The genus Striga also goes to a disambiguation page, but maybe could point directly to the plant page. Sorry, I don't know how to do these things! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickrent (talk • contribs) 04:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Editing for general editing instructions. See Help:Link for instructions on how to edit links. See: WP:DISAMBIG for information about disambiguation pages. If you are very new to Wikipedia editing, a more experienced editor will probably have to assist you with these problems. Tip: your question will be easier to understand if you add links to the article names you mention: Orobanchaceae, Centranthera, orchid, Melasma, and Striga. --Teratornis 07:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Problems with tables

I have noticed a lot of the deletion and editing template boxes aren't appearing properly any more. Has there been a change to them which my browser (the latest Mac OS version of Firefox) won't accept, or has someone been playing with them? JRG 05:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I think this may be related to the server problem reported above. It'll be fixed soon enough. GlassCobra 05:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess you didn't intend to write "tables" in the heading. Many template boxes have changed look recently after using {{Ambox}}. This is unrelated to the server problems and can be discussed at Template talk:Ambox.PrimeHunter 05:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding purchase of XO-1

Hi, My name isTanya and I live in Australia. I recently heard about these great little laptop computers and as I have 2 young boys of my own, I am wonderering if you could tell me if these are availabe for purchase and if so what the cost is? Thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.21.155 (talk) 06:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia cannot help you with your personal needs in this case. I would recommend you investigate locally, or you can order laptops online from sites such as Amazon.com. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Since wikipedia is not for advertising, I doubt a particular brand laptop would have an article, so try google.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 06:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

See: One Laptop per Child. --Teratornis 07:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so we do not help with that sort of thing. If you have any questions relating to wikipedia, feel free to ask:)--SJP 07:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually the One Laptop per Child article should tell Tanya everything she needs to know about the XO-1, and indeed that is a fascinating project; the article even mentions that Wikipedia will be one of the featured applications on it (thus helping to fulfill the Great Leader's dream of providing a free encyclopedia of the highest quality to every human on Earth). While the XO-1 itself is not available for sale to individuals, similar computers such as the ASUS Eee PC are or will be. The instructions at the top of the Help desk say this page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, but the complexity of Wikipedia tends to overwhelm the short term memory of many visitors who are new to using it, rendering many of them temporarily blind to some of our instructions upon the first exposure (this is the psychological basis of the programmer's dictum, "Users don't read instructions," which isn't actually true, because the users are reading them, just not comprehending them on the first go; nonetheless, as Daniel Dennett says, every time we see or hear a message, our brains make another copy of it. It's just that anything which is sufficiently unfamiliar may need a number of copies before it sinks in to long term memory). Thus we get "inappropriate" questions on the Help desk every day, and we try to answer them nonetheless. In the case of Tanya's question, the answer was straightforward. I happened to watch a segment about the XO-1 on the 60 Minutes television show a few months ago, and at the time I looked it up on Wikipedia to get the details, so I knew the answer to her question. --Teratornis 16:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Citizenship of India for a foreign national refugee woman married to an Indian citizen

A Indian national male, has fallen in love with an iragi refugee in thailand. He wants to marry her and take her to India as his legally wedded wife. Can she get indian citizenship quickly on the basis of the marriage as well on the grounds that she is basically a refugee under UNHRC ?

The time frame required for the same may be advised too —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sainath kv (talk • contribs) 07:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

See the reference desk, or here is a thought, your local Thai embassy.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 07:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello:)

This is not the place where you ask questions like that. You are only suppose to ask questions about wikipedia here. I hope that you find the answer to your question though:)--SJP 07:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Warnings for external links

A number of months back, I saw where someone had removed warnings from some external links that stated that the links contained adult content or nudity. I seem to recall them citing some Wikipedia guideline or policy but I can't remember which one. It was basically some sort of NPOV guideline or some such thing. Can anyone point me in the direction of what it might have been? I removed some similar warnings the other day and they were put back. So if I remove them again, I'd like to have something to back up my actions. Dismas|^(talk) 07:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Was it this? That is the only policy I can think of. It does not say that we do not need to have warnings though. All it says is that wikipedia is not censored and may have content that is offensive to some people. I hope that helped:)--SJP 08:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I had forgotten about WP:NOT and that led me to a few other arguments for the removal of the warnings. Those were namely Wikipedia:Content disclaimer and Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles. Thanks again, Dismas|^(talk) 08:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem:)--SJP 08:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Links to organizations in the Samael Aun Weor article

I have a question concerning external links. In the Samael Aun Weor article a lot of links to different organizations and schools are added from time to time, and I'm not sure whether they should be there or not. Some of them also contain information that could be useful. As far as I can tell there are currently only two links there which are not at all about any particular organization. There is one organization that calls itself official, which is directed by the son of the subject of the article, but there has been so many divisions and splits so I don't know if that is relevant or not. I have tried to use WP:EL for guidance but can't find a resolution there. What would be the correct thing to do? Thank you. Anton H 09:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a person with the same name as an existing article

I was trying to create an article on wildlife artist neil cox and there is a footballer with the same name so how can I create an article with an artist of the same name?? thanks -the saint —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdambaek (talk • contribs) 10:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:DISAM#Disambiguation_pages. The short of it, move existing page to say Neil Cox (footballer), create your article at Neil Cox (artist), use Neil Cox then as an disambiguation page. KTC 10:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

In such a case, as well as moving the article, is it desirable for the mover to update all the links to the article as well? DH85868993 22:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Flags images

At Bad_Girls_(TV_series)#Bad_Girls_around_the_world I don't see the actual flag of Belgium, nor the flag of Finland. It's just a border with inside written text "Flag of Belgium". Anyone else seeing this? Venullian 10:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Please add a new section header when asking question. This is an ongoing issue with the server that the developers / sys admin is aware of, and am looking into. KTC 10:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thought I did make a new section, sorry, I do know my way around wikipedia ;-) thanks for your reply, as long as they're aware of it ;-) Venullian 10:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Nope [6], I added the new section header [7]. :-) KTC 16:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem with credibility?

I have the following questions to Wikipedia administration which I hope to be answered. Background:
” I say this: BellMJ, in the month or two you have been here you have not contributed to any articles. I suggest you get some actual expeience researching and making contributions to articles that stand the test of time, and have more experience collaborating with editors working on aticles, before you try to comment on our core policies. SIrubenstein | Talk 11:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC) ”

1. Apart from the normal and civil conduct and behavior outlined by Wikipedia as stated in its policy: Are there other certain rules for the right of making a contribution with an opinion in Wikipedia? Am I missing something? ”try to comment on our core policies”? ”try”? Seems holy ground here.

2a. Are there certain places I must refrain from taking active part in?
2b. Am I expected to navigate in Wikipedia by my own interest, or by a pre set guide?

3. Must I have made a certain amount of contributions in Wikipedia to have the right to make a submission to a debate in any place in Wikipedia?

4.Must I have spent a certain time being registered in Wikipedia to have the right to make a submission to a debate in any place in Wikipedia?

5.Are there any COLLECTING POINTS OR SCORES in Wikipedia I must have collected first before receiving the right to make a submission to a debate in any place in Wikipedia?

I would be most thankful if these questions could be answered in clarity.
wkg/BMJ 13:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I am not an administrator; nevertheless, I hope that my input may be of some value to you. First, all users are welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia in the manner that suits them best as long as they respect the core policies. Second, while I can understand how you might read the words "try to" as belittling, one of our policies requires us to assume good faith. That sometimes means biting back our first responses and seeking clarification directly from the other editor. This ties into my third point: the first step of resolving disputes is always talking to the other editor. It would probably be better if you addressed the other editor him or herself. We need to be careful about unnecessarily escalating disputes. Good luck resolving this issue, and please remember that "raw text is ambiguous and often seems ruder than the same words coming from a person standing in front of you." :) --Moonriddengirl 13:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Moonriddengirl. You seem to be a reasonable soul. In Wikipedia policy is (howevwer) also recommended this: before apelling to an obvious provocation: don't answer the insult. Take a break. Contemplate the situation, and try to find out eventual incepts for a friendly resolution. Then, be offensive when you think you know how to do it.

I would still like to know the Wikipedia administration answers to the questions.

NOTE: SLrubenstein and I, am in no way in a dispute, and I will refuse to initiate a such. It's just that I made a submission on the talk page No Original Research and which was met by the above quoted form. Obviously, SLrubensteins does not want my presence on that page. And I just wanted to know whether he is justified by Wikipedia administration to set out such a program.

Thanks anyway Moonriddengirl. --BMJ 13:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Good luck, then. :) I'll just note that Wikipedia's administrators may or may not monitor the help desk; it's a volunteer force. If you don't get an answer from one of them, that may well indicate that your question has been unseen. --Moonriddengirl 13:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Jises. Thank you again, Moonriddengirl. I might disappear, then, altogether in our famous cyberspace. Good Lord. Do you have any suggestions how to make my presence more Bright and Shining in front of the Wikipedia administration, my questions? --BMJ 14:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

First let me add with regards to Administrators that "the tools they are granted are technical and do not convey authority" (from Wikipedia:Administrators). However, if you want to seek one for feedback because of their experience, you can locate one to ask your question at list of administrators. --Moonriddengirl 14:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I will try on that way. wkg/BMJ 14:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

(undent) Realize that Wikipedia's policies and guidelines have already been extensively debated, and those who do not study history are sure to repeat it. Therefore, before suggesting any sort of foundational change to Wikipedia, you need to arm yourself with a solid understanding of how the policies came to be, and all the arguments and counterarguments that occurred in the past. (Try not to be like the theists who debate atheists without realizing all their arguments for the existence of God have been refuted for centuries.) Fortunately, Wikipedia is a tool for writing documents, and we use it to document just about everything we do. See WP:EIW#Pol for a list of links to pages describing Wikipedia's policies, how they came to be, the history of rejected proposals, and the mechanism for proposing changes. To gain credibility, first you must demonstrate that you already know the specific arguments that led to your proposal being rejected in the past, and you have some compelling new arguments. In any case, it's a lot harder to change a Wikipedia policy than to find a wiki with policies you like better. See for example WikInfo. --Teratornis 17:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Teratornis. Thank you very much for your response. I really appreciate it. But this is also true, If you would care for a few moments: Long before I ”checked in” on Wikipedia I was studying its content, policy, articles and talkpages for about a year. I had (then) only a cell phone with Windows Mobile, not really suited for editorial work, but I could collect basic information, make citations, collect quotes and blocks from many talk pages, and it was indeed the most fascinating and interesting I yet ever had experienced. But I also, soon, discovered the weak points in Wikipedia, especially its so called ”core policy”.

Honestly Teratornis: I am not a person who flags with merits. Wikipedia is said to be respectful to your OPINION. Not your merits, your ”personal level of intelligence” or ”the number of days or articles you have contributed to”, if your skin is black or white or other, if you are a Buddhist or a Christian or other. All those things are irrelevant and have nothing to do with writing an encyclopedia, or submitting with carefully weighted opinions on carefully selected talk pages. I thought ”Wikipedia” also MEANT it. But perhaps both you and I agree (now) that THAT ”Wikipedia” really does NOT exist.

If you have (further) suggestions to my improvement on familiarity with Wikipedia history, policy and general content, you are of course welcome with proposals. I will watch this topic.

Thank you again Teratornis, and take care. With kind greetings, former BMJ.--85.89.80.140 11:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

exam preperatrions

how should i search pin point search for preperations of exams such as UPSC etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.1.106.160 (talk) 14:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the articles about the exams, like Union Public Service Commission. If that doesn't help, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's reference desk. They will be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). Good luck, and I hope this helps. :) --Moonriddengirl 16:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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Greetings from Ukraine! We are Novoskivich Steel, a minor steel manufacting company based in Rivne Oblast , in Ukraine. We wish to advertise on Wikipedia and give Wikipedia profit. Please talk here on help desk so we can negociate price. How about 200 Ukraine Hryvnia yes?. Novoskivich Steel 16:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia at this time do not accept advertising. KTC 16:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Can not agree! 200 Ukraine Hryvnia is an execellent offer! I highly recommend you accept! Why you no accept? It benefit Wikipedia alot for one advetisment! Novoskivich Steel 16:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC) (лихослів'я ви самовпевнений дурень) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novoskivich Steel (talk • contribs) 16:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC) This is an online enclopedia not a soapbox for advertising Please note Wikipedia does not endorse any businesses and it does not set up affiliate programs this is from this. AngelOfSadness talk 16:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia does not accept advertising in the usual sense. However, you can offer a bounty to motivate other editors to create an article suitable for Wikipedia on any suitable topic. See: Wikipedia:Bounty board and Wikipedia:Reward board. Also see Wikipedia:Business' FAQ. --Teratornis 16:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Why not? Change rules! Wikipedia can be rich with advertising and my company can be rich aswell! Good deal for both, I think you talk to leader (Jimbo) for inspiration and advice because deal is very good! Why you no agree? Yes? Is good deal. Novoskivich Steel 16:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Unless you are an exceptionally fast reader, the three minutes which elapsed from my reply to yours was not enough time for you to have read and understood the links I gave which answer your question. On Wikipedia we do not have time to individually explain every detail to our 48,517,849 users. Instead we rely on writing down the explanations and merely linking to them. This is the only way Wikipedia can operate efficiently enough to work on its operating budget, which is shockingly low for a project of Wikipedia's size and visibility. If you want to be a part of Wikipedia, you must learn to read and follow instructions. Please read the links I gave you. --Teratornis 17:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Your image appears to have been added here for advertising purposes so I replaced it with a link. Years ago it was considered to allow advertisements at some time [8] but not anymore. Wikipedia is operated by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. PrimeHunter 17:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)# :: Fucking USA! Why no advertisment! I give up ignorant fools! Go bomb another arabia country! Novoskivich Steel 17:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC) There is a Russian Wikipedia, if you prefer to bomb Chechnya instead. --Teratornis 17:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC) And also a Ukrainian Wikipedia for those who presumably are not bombing anyone. --Teratornis 17:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC) I've blocked this user for having an inappropriate username; editors are not allowed to use the names of companies as their username, especially if they are promoting the company. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC) American fools Stop making edit conflict with me american fool. Novoskivich Steel 17:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)) I like this questioner: passion meets the stultifying Wikipedia cabal. Perhaps I can get "American Fool" printed on a t-shirt to wear. --Teratornis 17:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC) Hello. Help:Starting a new page should be what you're looking for. WODUP 17:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC) But be sure to see Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? Based on the discussion above, I have a feeling that will be the next question. --Teratornis 17:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a repeat of the earlier trolling. -- Kesh 19:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I start!

I'm logged in. I have an article I want to add. I've done it before and can't remember where to go to simply get started. Without reading through all of the directions, babble, etc. Cant you tell me exactly where to click to get started?? I can't find it! Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncensoredinfo (talk • contribs) 17:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, your question seems to have been interrupted by someone else. Your article is now here, I think. Does that answer your question? AndyJones 17:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

If you are asking how to start a article type on the search box the name of the article. Then if it does not exist it will show a search page. On the top there will be a redlink to the article name you searched go there and write the article and save it. Make sure it meets WP:N, WP:RS, and all the other "babble." --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 19:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Is there an inline tag for requesting clarification of a term?

Is there something analogous to that can be used, inline, to request clarification of a term, at least in the specific context? In IPv6, there's a new edit including "Linux gains alpha quality IPv6 support. As a software developer, I'm familiar with the use of "alpha" as meaning "in an early version", but I believe that a specific definition of the usage here is neeed. Unfortunately, it's an anonymous user, so I can't put a note on the user's talk page.

Obviously, I could put something on the IPV6 talk page, but, like , this would be far easier to see inline. Howard C. Berkowitz 19:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You'd want to use {{clarifyme}}. Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 19:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Howard C. Berkowitz 19:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I edited it so that it now links to our article on software release cycles, which explains what alpha quality means. The need for clarification is one good reason to use an internal link. --Pekaje 21:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

some images in established articles no longer appearing

Some images are no longer appearing for me (in both PC IE6 and Firefox) on established articles. For example, in the article on Breast cancer, the thumbnail of the image Breast cancer.JPG is no longer showing, even though the full-sized image is still there. In the article on San Francisco, the thumbnail versions of images San_Francisco_Landsat7_(Lg).jpg and Lombardst.jpeg are no longer showing. I've tried clearing cache, but this does not fix the problem. What could be the cause of this? -- Sfmammamia 19:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I purged the page, so perhaps that fixed it however, Wikimedia is currently experiencing problems with images in the commons, and are working on it, so that is your principal problem. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 19:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Why can't I see correctly some images in the article on Orchidaceae. Neither Firefox nor Konqueror. Aelwyn 21:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ditto Albert Einstein & Lever - Is Wikipedia Broken ?

Levers can be used to exert a large force over a small distance at one end by exerting only a small force over a greater distance at the other.

doesn't work

Levers can be used to exert a large force over a small distance at one end by exerting only a small force over a greater distance at the other.

does work !

Third class lever

doesn't work SVG mime-type issue in Internet Explorer?

doesn't help ... 195.137.93.171 22:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

'signature' editor button broken

Another thing broken - the 'signature' editor button that should give four tildes !
(used to give -- and 4 tildes ...) 195.137.93.171 22:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Restoring the deleted List of Entertainer's Nicknames Page

The page List of Entertainer's Nicknames has been deleted. Can you please find out who, why and when, and ultimately, restore the page?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Comprendo (talk • contribs)

Hm..I can't seem to find any article by that name. What was the exact name of the article you're referring to? GlassCobra 19:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See deletion review What was the exact title of the article? I searched a couple, but don't see anything in the deletion logs. Also, please remember to sign your comments with four tildes like so: ~~~~ Into The Fray ^T/C 19:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

List_of_entertainers_by_nickname - You can try WP:DRV but I can tell you the result will go against what you wish to happen as this article was deleted earlier today after a AFD where it was a pretty convincing delete. KTC 20:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

My Entry Keeps Getting Deleted

Hello

My name is Don Reid and every time i put an entry about myself, some other Don Reid deletes it. Why is this allowed?

how do i prevent this happening? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donreid (talk • contribs) 20:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You're editing an existing page about another Don Reid, an American Basketball player. Since he meets our notability guidelines and there aren't (currently) any more notable Don Reids with articles, he gets the page. Before you continue to edit, or attempt to write an article about yourself, please note that writing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you believe that you meet our guidelines for who is considered notable, you should request an article be created about yourself here, to ensure that it is written neutrally and that you are indeed notable. I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

If, by some dint of effort, you or another Don Reid became notable, you still wouldn't put that on his article. Instead, you would make a new article such as Don Reid (author) or Don Reid (kazoo player), as suggested at WP:DAB. Confusing Manifestation 22:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

(after ec)Hi, Don. This is the second time you have asked this question in the last 48 hours, so I assume you did not understand the first time. Here goes:

You have a user page at User:Donreid. You can edit that as you wish, mostly. It's for you to tell others about yourself as a wikipedia editor. We also have encyclopedia pages (not user pages) about three additional people named "Don Reid". The pages are Don Reid, Donald Bartlett Reid, and Don Reid (music). I think you believe that we need a fourth encyclopedia page, one about the Australian e-commerce entrepreneur named "Don Reid" who happens to also be the Wikipedia editor User:Donreid. Creation of this page comes in two parts:

• should there be such an article?
• If so, how do we distinguish the article from the other three "Don Reid" articles?

I will answer the second question first, since this is the one that is bothering you most. We call this "disambiguation." See WP:DAB, but the summary is this: When there are multiple articles with the same "natural" title, the first article to be created generally uses the "natural" name. Second and succeeding articles use a disambiguated name. Thus, your new article can be named e.g. Don Reid (e-commerce). Users looking for "Don Reid" will find the original article, and you can add a pointer to the top of the original article to point to the new "Don Reid (e-commerce) article. Once we have more than about two "extra" pointers of this type (as will be the case here), we create move Don Reid to Don Reid (basketball player) and then convert Don Reid to a "disambiguation page" that briefly lists all four of our "DON reid" articles. See William Kirby as one of thousands ofsuch pages.

Now for the first issue: do we actually want your article in Wikipedia at all? Well, yes, if you meet our criteria for notability. you must read and understand WP:BIO to decide. Just because you think you are notable does not mean that you can convince all the other editors. The single most important thing you must do is to assert notability in the article and cite reliable sources in the reference section of your article.IF you do not do ths, then you article will be deleted. Since you hap-en to be Don Reid, you must also be very carful not to violate WP:COI. The best way to aviod this is to create you article in a user subspace such as User:Donreid/Don Reid (ecommerce) and then ask for a review of your proposed article.

Hope this helps -Arch dude 22:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist question...

Anyone know of a fancy way to set up multiple watchlists? I've seen some folks making category watchlists separate from their normal watchlist and am curious if there's a way to do it for specific articles. I'd like to keep a static list of articles I keep an eye on and one for my more "current" eyeballing. Into The Fray ^T/C 21:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

One option would be for you to watch those "current" articles via its RSS feeds. KTC 21:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you! Into The Fray ^T/C 21:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Patrol log

What is it? I know I'm an admin and everything, but what it is it?? Maxim_(talk) 21:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You can mark edits as patrolled, so that other sysops see that this edit is ok and not vandalism. Larger projects disabled this in the software, as en.wp did. You can just ignore it. --Thogo (Talk) 22:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Image visualisation problem

Why can't I see correctly some images in the article on Orchidaceae. Neither Firefox nor Konqueror. Aelwyn 21:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Look at the site notice (the small text line just below the tabs). Try to increase the width of the image by one pixel. It helps in ~80% of the cases. --Thogo (Talk) 22:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Plus, we are having a bit of a problem with displaying images from Wikimedia Commons at the moment. Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 22:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is funny! I enlarged them 1px and now they work! But why? Anyway, thank you very much Aelwyn 22:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

First one on Orchidaceae linked to URL "http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Haeckel_Orchidae.jpg/200px-" but it's in a Taxobox so 200px is not explicit ! Still needs fixing ! 195.137.93.171 00:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC) Fixed "image_width = 199px" 195.137.93.171 00:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Expanded watchlist

For some days now the expanded watchlist doesn't work any more (it's not expanded though I enabled it in the preferences). Does anyone know why? Is it due to the server problems or was there a change in the software? (in other wikis it works well) --Thogo (Talk) 22:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Presidential Election infoboxes (red vs. blue)

(I am posting this here, rather than on individual talk pages, because it concerns a large number of articles.) In the infoboxes for each U.S. Presidential Election, the portraits of the candidates are boxed in color, and the Electoral College maps are similarly colored, representing their political parties at a glance. A very good idea, I believe, except there is inconsistency. For United States presidential election, 1976 and all years prior, Republicans are marked in blue and Democrats in red. Starting with United States presidential election, 1980, Republicans are red and Democrats are blue. Is this deliberate? Why the change? Should it not stay the same over every article? And if so, which should be changed? (Fewer articles would need changing by making Democrats red and Republicans blue. But then, the current venacular of U.S. political campaigns is the opposite.) — Michael J 22:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed at Wikipedia talk:Style for U.S. presidential election, yyyy. You can comment there. PrimeHunter 00:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I didn't know that page existed. I will go there. Thank you kindly. — Michael J 03:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Images

I seem to have fixed the image problem. The disclaimer was talking about the problem, and when I hid the disclaimer, the images were working again. Kitty53 22:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you personally fixed it. :P It's good that it's been fixed, though. GlassCobra 22:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, the very moment you hid the disclaimer, the people over at wikimedia fixed it. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 23:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Images?

I didn't fix all of the image problem, however. On some of the images, you have to click on them in order to see them. Kitty53 00:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kitty - which page ?
Follow instructions at the top:
click to see the image page
add "?action=purge" to the end of the address and load
Click the 'OK' - purge button
You may have to refresh the page in your browser to see the change. 195.137.93.171 00:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

September 17

Image Problem

Can't someone just purge the whole cache on the image server ? I don't believe every user has to go in and purge every image individually ! 195.137.93.171 00:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't edit Einstein - thanks for fixing it !

http://commons.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Newimages&until=20070917001337
also gives broken image links ... but purging the image seems to help ! Odd!195.137.93.171 01:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Just be patient. It's being worked on and purging the entire cache would probably bring the servers to a crawl. Just save your desired edits until things get caught up. -- Kesh 01:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

OK - it seems really odd that Special:Newimages has cache problems.
I wonder if it would help to put a purge button on the Images page template ? Maybe only display it if you can detect a problem occurred ? I wonder if it would be possible to query for problem images.

195.137.93.171 01:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Parser Functions

Lets say you have {{xxx}}. Now I want it to be if you type {{xxx}} you get yyyyy. If you type {{xxx|n}} you get zzzzz.

I tried {{#if: {{{n|}}} | zzzzz | yyyyy}} but that didn't work. When I typed {{xxx|n}}, I still get yyyyy instead of zzzzz.

If that didn't make sense I will try to explain some more. Can you tell what I'm screwing up? ---CWY2190^TC 00:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here goes. Type this into your template:

{{ #switch: {{{1}}}
|n= zzzz
|#default = yyyy
}}

That should work, but just tell me if it doesn't :) Cheers, Arky ^¡Hablar! 01:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It works. Thank you. ---CWY2190^TC 01:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome :) Arky ^¡Hablar! 01:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Linking username to email address, in case username is forgotten

Hi,

I believe I have previously registered as a Wiki user, however, as it was some time back, I have forgotten my username. I tried to find my username details, however, the login process sends an email (with new password) to the specified 'username' email address. 203.24.6.121 01:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)Is it not possible to link the login process with the email address to make the username discoverable, so that, if someone has forgotten their username, they won't go about trying usernames, and resetting other people's passwords?

My other alternative would be to create a new user, however, this was just a thought for those with existing user accounts (that know about them). :D

Thanks for your help!

Cheers, G

I'm afraid I don't quite understand. Are you not able to access your email to get your username details? GlassCobra 01:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The user has forgotten the user name. Mail new password works by first selecting the user name so it cannot be used here. The old password continues to work until the new is entered, so users will not get problems if somebody else requests a new password for them by mail. Your email address cannot be used to find your user name. If you remember pages you have edited while logged in at the account then you may be able to find your user name by clicking the history tab at those pages. If you know a possible start of the user name then you can try findining it at Special:Listusers. If you don't find it then create a new account. PrimeHunter 01:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

403 Forbidden error on coordinates

Whenever I click on coordinates (like 34°03′N 118°15′W) in an article I get a 403 error from tools.wikimedia.de. Am I doing something wrong, or is there a problem with the server? And if the latter, do they know about it? --teb728 02:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything wrong with it. --Agüeybaná 03:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I get that too. Probably something funky with the toolserver, best just wait until they fix it. --Oskar 03:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

If they don’t know it’s broken, they may never fix it. Clicking on the coordinate takes me to http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?pagename=Wikipedia:Help_desk&params=34_03_N_118_15_W_, displaying the message “You don't have permission to access /~magnus/geo/geohack.php on this server.” --teb728 03:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm getting it as well. I've filed a report on Bugzilla, so they are now aware of the issue. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Filed as Bug ID 11369 Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like they fixed it. Thanks, teb728 06:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Changing font...

What line would you add to Special:Mypage/monobook.css (or whatever page you go to) to change the font of articles? --Oskar 03:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You do want to change the fonts just for you, right? --Agüeybaná 03:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, hence the Special:Mypage part (besides I'm not an admin so I can't edit the MediaWiki namespace) --Oskar 03:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, the Special:Mypage links send the clicker to their mypage. Just so you know. i ^said 03:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, it's just that I have a long user-name so I usually just type that. I didn't realise it would be misunderstood, sorry about that :P User:Oskar Sigvardsson/monobook.css then. --Oskar 03:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Editing the MediaWiki namespace is not the only way to change the font of articles, BTW. --Agüeybaná 03:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

So how do I do it? I don't really like Arial (or whatever font we use) and I'd like to change it, globally. --Oskar 03:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

clear search history

how do i clear my search history in wikipedia?

Peaches84 03:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I assume you mean the autocompletes in the search box. Open up the list and put your mouse on the first entry. Then hold down delete for Internet Explorer, or shift-delete for Mozilla Firefox. I believe Opera uses delete. The entries will then whizz away. This applies to any text box that has autocompleted values, such as the Google search box. x42bn6 Talk Mess 04:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Law info-box?

Hello there. Is there any kind of info-box for articles about laws or legislation? I only seem to be able to find them for Law Schools and the like. Thanks --TreeKittens 05:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

how to hide your username in the page history

how do I create new pages without showing my user name. I don't want people to know I am writing about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woomou (talk • contribs) 06:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

In short, you can't. All your contributions will be credited to User:Woomou unless you log out and then those edits will be credited to your IP address. Dismas|^(talk) 06:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)you can't, edit under an IP address if people recognise your username.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 06:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• The whole history system is in place to keep people accountable. If you don't want to take credit for something you wrote, it's probably because said material is not acceptable. - 131.211.210.17 09:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Legal case results citation

I'm came across the article for Colleen Shannon which says that she was involved in a legal battle over her high school yearbook photo when it got published in Playboy. I've been able to find a lot of links to articles about the case written before the decision of the court was made but not one link explaining how the case was settled. Does anyone know how I might find such info? Dismas|^(talk) 06:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I would recommend you take your question to the reference desk, where your question can be answered. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 06:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Will do. I was on the fence as to whether I should bring my question here or the Ref Desk. I thought since it had to do with an article, I'd bring it here. I guess I was wrong. Dismas|^(talk) 08:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

HOW BOUT NO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.12.254.146 (talk) 09:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Links inside brackets

How do I create a link inside a bracket?

• Looks silly: In a now famous passage in the Reflections, Burke lamented: "I had thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from the scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her [Marie Antoinette] with insult. – But the age of chivalry is gone."

• Doesn't have link: In a now famous passage in the Reflections, Burke lamented: "I had thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from the scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her [[[Marie Antoinette]]] with insult. – But the age of chivalry is gone."

Thanks. Awadewit | talk 07:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

See how I changed your markup. That's how I'd do it. A little unwieldy, but it gets the job done. Into The Fray ^T/C 07:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Or ... for a more illustrative response: <n0wiki>[</n0wiki>[[Marie Antoinette]]<n0wiki>]</n0wiki> where 0 = o.  :) Into The Fray ^T/C 07:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Awadewit | talk 08:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Custom TOC

Im formatting a book on wikisource, and i want to create a custom table of contents--basically, a TOC-like box (collapsible, same BGcolor) that's totally blank, that i can fill with my own custom pagelinks. could somebody point me to where i might find the appropriate code, or at least something thats easily modifiable? --PopeFauveXXIII 08:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could use Template:Show_hide_box as a base, and customize/modify that? ^Ariel♥Gold 09:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

hacking windows XP by internet

can you give me the total information about

netbus virus and the starbus virus which affects windows XP202.54.42.17 08:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You're looking for the Computing Reference Desk. Not this page. Dismas|^(talk) 08:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem seeing particular images on Wikipedia

Hi there, I have been having a problem for a while in which I cannot see some images on Wikipedia. At times I can click on the text that says it is a picture and the picture is fine but it doesn't show up in reduced and sometimes in full size. Here is an example Image on Wikimedia

Thanks for any help Lummie 09:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a ongoing known problem stemming from some issue on Commons, the developers are aware of it, and is looking into it. KTC 09:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh ok, wasn't sure if it was my computer or settings. Cheers Lummie 10:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)