Talk:Ernest Emerson

Reference to Black Hawk Down movie

The Wikipedia article reads "Ridley Scott's 2001 film Black Hawk Down portrayed soldiers carrying Emerson folding knives in the hangar scene..." this is in the Emerson Knives in Popular Culture paragraph. I could be wrong - and will try to check - but the only knife I recall in a hanger scene is a young Ranger holding what looks like a Gerber Gator. The Gator was introduced then (cir. 1993 ? - I owned one in 95) and was a hit with troops. Its sort of a "descendant" of the original Buck 110 Folding Hunter - as are almost all such lockbacks. Point is, I'm not sure the Wiki article is accurate about an Emerson knife being represented in that movie. ????Engr105th 17:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

It's kind of an anachronism from a film standpoint. The soldiers clearly use a CQC7 with G10 handles, etc...however that knife was not available in 1993 (Emerson did not begin factory production until 1998). Harry Humpheries was the technical advisor with regard to weapons and tactics on BHD and due to his relationship with Emerson he chose to use CQC7's in this film. That section of the article isn't about technical inaccuracies in Black Hawk Down, but Emerson's knives in that movie. For what it's worth, if Humpheries had used Gerbers or Bucks it might have been more historically accurate, but he didn't so that's why the article reads the way it does. Mike Searson 23:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyedit

Background: The links are puzzling. Korean Jodo takes us to Judo, but nowhere on that page do the words "Korea" or "Jodo" appear. There is an article Jodo, but, again, no Korea, and Jodo is not Judo. Also, Kali [now] takes us to Eskrima where it says that Kali and Escrima are the same thing. Jun Fan Gung Fu takes us to Jeet Kune Do, the next school mentioned. I know next to nothing about these things, and neither will most of the readers on FA day who will end up as confused as I am now, and some of whom will assume that the article doesn't know what it's talking about. Incidentally, I decided to treat the names of the schools as if they were religions as regards capitalization. --Milkbreath 13:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Jodo is the Korean form of Judo. There was not a Jodo article at the time this one was written(edited to add...and there still isn't...I'll add an explanation as I don't have time to bang out an article on Korean Jodo this week so non-Martial Arts people don't think it was the Japanese art of stickfighting as opposed to the Korean style of wrestling with handles). Jun Fan Gung Fu was the original name of Jeet Kune Do, kind of...it's a bit deeper than that...Kali and Escrima are similar but not the same. On these I suspect "disambiguation" and/or merged articles to be the culprit. I fixed them, sorry if it confused you. Thanks for the copyedit help. --Mike Searson 13:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I'm far from done, by the way. I'm always relieved when the primary contributor isn't all pissed off that I barged in and changed everything at the last minute. And I don't mind being confused, it's my default state. --Milkbreath 14:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No, you found some good things that alot of other reviewers missed. Thanks again! Mike Searson 18:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Specwar: The image makes a point of something called "the WAVE", but the article doesn't mention it, at least in this section. If the WAVE appears later on, then never mind, although it would have been nice to know what the WAVE was before. I'm working through section by section. --Milkbreath —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Inc.: OK, I found the Wave, but it's "Wave", not "WAVE". Hmmm. And damn you, now I want one of those NASA knives. --Milkbreath 16:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Those NASA knives are pretty cool, aren't they? --Mike Searson 18:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Pop cult: Morrell's quote is missing a quotation mark, and there's no way for me to know where it belongs. --Milkbreath 16:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed! --Mike Searson 18:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Popularizing: What happened at "the Blade Show in Atlanta, Georgia that same year"? --Milkbreath 15:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

In 1995 one of Ernest's designs was submitted to the US Navy for evaluation as an issued knife. One of the parameters was the knife had to be made by a commercial company...Ernest went to Timberline who mass produced the design. The knife was a little too "radical" for the Navy Brass...but it went on to win the "Knife of the Year Award" at the Blade Show that year. The Blade Show is THE Biggest knife show in the world and the awards are among some of the highest awards given to knife makers. I restructured that sentence to help the flow.--Mike Searson 18:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't ask the right question. The sentence says that the knife won the magazine's award called "American Made Knife of the Year" in 1995. Did it win a different award at the Blade Show called "Knife of the Year", or did it win the magazine's award at the Blade Show? By the way, groovy article about a guy who lived his dream. <envy>I'll bet his wife is hot, too.</envy> I loved the part about the Search and Rescue knives; knife design can save lives. Who knew? --Milkbreath 19:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry...it is the same award. Blade Magazine sponsors the Blade show.--Mike Searson 20:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ad tag

I ad-tagged the guitar section. The guitar is not notable. It should be mentioned when it's notable. If he went and made a custom video camera, that ought not be a big section of the article, either, because it would have no notability in the world of video cameras. Tempshill 21:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Update: There are a grand total of 49 Google hits for "ernest emerson" guitar. I'll remove the section and make a note of it elsewhere in the article. Tempshill 21:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Tanto Point

Is the link "tanto point" meant to aim to Tantō - A Japanese weapon? I don't know what a "tanto point" is, but in "Tantō" I also can't find an exact explanation. Mpeylo 01:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

A tanto point looks like this: http://www.glendraneknives.com/american%20tanto%20glen%203%20narrow.JPG

It refers to the relieved part on the sharp side of the blade, which is common only to that sort of knife. --Baylink 03:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Article Separation

I suggest that the sections of this article Emerson Knives and Emerson Combat Systems be made into their own articles. Simply because this article should only talk about the person not the companies that he founded. And this article is 55 KB which is way over the prescribed article size. Phil ryans 01:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was going to make a usage point that's related. I would expect "the Emerson Combat System". Is the *name of the system* really pluralized as he uses it? IE: who doesn't understand common English namimg protocol: us or Mr Emerson? --Baylink 03:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the name is pluralized as a variety of systems are taught in a modular fashion. For example, there's a course taught only to the Military, a system only taught to police officers and various systems around different knives.Mike Searson 04:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the separation. I had the same thought when I saw the company info. in his bio. article. —Nricardo 04:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Originally this was two seperate articles. However, it was decided during the "Good Article Review" to combine them. I liked them better the other way, personally. Size does not matter for a featured article so the 55K rule doesn't apply.Mike Searson 04:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Advertisement??

I think this whole article is an ad. What do others think? Too Old 04:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you're wrong. For the record, the knives mentioned in the article are for the most part not generally available from Emerson. The Raven and Specwar knives are long discontinued. Timberline no longer makes the specwar fixed blade; it is mentioned because it was a museum display piece and a contender in the trials for a Navy SEAL issued knife(and the article mentions specifically that it did not win the contract). Benchmade hasn't produced a CQC7 in almost 8 years, The NASA knife is not available for purchase outside of official NASA channels. The custom knives are only available through lotterys at a few shows per year, you cannot call Emerson and buy one of these. The only 2 knives mentioned in the article in any great detail other than the CQC6 and CQC7(and i'm sure there are controversies over which knife is the more significant between these two models )are the SARK (which is there to demonstrate the man's ability to produce a successful prototype to fill a need for the Military in 24 hours as well as being an issued piece of gear to a police agency and certain units in the US Navy) and the Commander which features the Wave,a simple yet unique blade opening device and won Knife of the Year in 1999. An article about a company or a business does not make an article an advertisement. Especially when the models mentioned are not for direct sale from the maker/manufacturer to the public. It's been a featured article for nearly 6 months, representing the best work on Wikipedia, it's impeccably sourced and footnoted and unanimously passed its nomination. Sorry if you think it's an advertisement. Mike Searson 05:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it's rather irresponsible to call the work of another editor an ad, especially without even providing a reason. 17Drew 06:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this article, especially a "highlighted one", is symptomatic of why Wikipedea has credibility problems.

Yes, it does read like an ad, and it's difficult to read it in any other way.

Sure, it does contain "encyclopedic information", it is informative and relevant, but, it still comes across as a vanity piece, as a commercial. 71.209.255.225 06:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You are right, this is tacky publicity, not bibliography. it should be deleted.

How is it possible that this advertorial has become a featured article? 80.61.14.21 07:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

This whole piece reads like a P.R. brochure. Are you serious that this represents the "best work on Wikipedia" ?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.123.211 (talk) 08:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this has an advert-like tone to it. 'Edged weapons authority'? What's wrong with 'knife expert'?--Nydas^(Talk) 09:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Redundancy

I have a few small issues here:

• The image description is redundant, we know hes a knifemaker (it says it in the lead), we know who he is, because it says so at the start of the article, and at the top of the infobox.
• Should we have the flag icon of the USA next to his Birth (in the infobox).

..just some small thoughts? Twenty Years 06:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Good points, I edited the first one. Flag Icon sounds good, I've seen it elsewhere and thought it was here at one time. Mike Searson 06:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)