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William Turnbull (ETS)

Would this man qualify for an entry in Wikipedia? He was a Princeton graduate (psychology) who was appointed VP of the Educational Testing Service in 1948. He took over as President of the ETS from 1970 to 1981 and won AERA's E.F. Lindquist Award in '81.

I haven't created an article for Wikipedia before and don't want to start by adding anything which is unwelcome. -- Analog Kid 17:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. If you simply put up a stub that consists of your second through fourth sentences, it's quite likely that someone would say that there was a lack of notability. More importantly, if you just put up a couple of sentences, and it gets deleted, you've wasted your time and the time of other editors.

But I think that if you wanted to do a reasonable amount of work on this, it would be fine. The goal would be to write (say) at least a couple of paragraphs, with a half-dozen or so citations. Then you'll have created something that (a) won't be challenged and (b) can be built on by others.

In doing a Google search, I came across this: "We end the book with William Turnbull fighting the growing criticism of ETS and eventually succumbing to the pressure." That part of Turnbull's story certainly seems worth an encylopedia article. One place to start would be the Atlantic Monthly, June 1980 ("The Test and the Brightest"), available online only to subscribers, but certainly available via libraries (and citable as such). (Similarly, "The Great Sorting", Atlantic Monthly, September 1995.) For example, from that second article, "ETS therefore wound up in an odd position with respect to intelligence testing. Within the organization and its ambit there have always been pockets of belief in g as an inherited trait. Chauncey's extremely conscientious No. 2 man, William Turnbull, though not a g man, confessed in a 1963 memo to Chauncey that he harbored a "long-held conviction that 'native intelligence' has some point to it."

Finally, for new articles, see Wikipedia:Your first article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

World Gaming Center Article! 123,352 is enough users to show its noticable

And we need to make one without it being deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewWGCMAN (talk • contribs) 20:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you review Wikipedia:Notability (web) and then post (here) in what way you think this website qualifies? (I note, for the record, that an article on this topic has been deleted five times to date with the name "World Gaming Center" and an additional two times with the name "World gaming center"; one of the seven deletions included this AfD.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Clayton Kratz

I think that wikipedia should have a page on Clayton Kratz. I can research him and such but I would like some help. Some people who were related to him go to my church and I am pretty sure they would let me see some of his things for photo's and to ask questions and stuff. Anyone willing to help? I don't think I will be able to make a whole Wikipedia article by myself. Even if you could just edit my works daily and tell me what would be helpful to readers would be helpful to me. I really think he deserves this. Please post on my talk page, It is Callan93 please!!!!!! Callan93 00:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm putting a note on your talk page, as requested, but I want to point out here that things that aren't accessible to the public (for example, personal stories and photos) fall under our prohibition against no original research. You can certainly use such information to inspire or guide you in your writings, but you absolutely should not cite it. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

in other words i shouldn't say who the people are or where i got the items from?Callan93 20:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not a matter of where information comes from (sure, you can say that, assuming whoever provides you the info is agreeable); it's a matter of whether the information was ever published.

Having said that, let me correct myself: Wikipedia is quite happy to have editors upload and add images (such as photographs) to articles (where appropriate) even though they haven't ever been published. In fact, generally, being published means there is a copyright, and Wikipedia does NOT put copyrighted images into articles. So, for example, a scanned photo of Clayton as a young man, from someone's personal photograph album, could be an excellent addition to an article. (For more about adding images to Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ and Wikipedia:Image use policy.)

What is problematical, then, is content (words) in an article. Consider this example, "Clayton was always a risk-taker, according to several people who talked to his relatives". If a reporter talked to Clayton's relatives, and this sentence was in a newspaper article, then it could be in the Wikipedia article. But if you are the one who wrote that sentence, based on interviews you did, letters you read that have never been published, etc., then you are doing "original research" and that is unacceptable in Wikipedia articles. Please (re)read that policy; if it's still not clear, please ask again. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I figured that to avoid WP:COI issues it would be best if the article, and basic facts, were created and established by someone like me, that was previously unfamiliar with the topic (as well as not associated with the Mennonite community), so I created Clayton Kratz using the online sources I could find. I think they're pretty solid, but could possibly be challenged as they're basically all from the Mennonite community, so any offline print sources that could be found would help for WP:VERIFY. The books and other published material used as refs for the Molotschna, Mennonite Central Committee, and maybe even Russian Mennonite articles seem likely candidates. Mainstream news sources would be best--one source also mentions article(s) in the Harrisonburg (VA) Daily News Record. Adding photographs and other images would contribute greatly to the article, as long as the current owners of the images understand they must be released to the public domain, or licensed under the GFDL or compatible license. Good luck. Hellosandimas 23:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Nicely done. Thanks. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Science in Switzerland

I would like to start an article with this title, can anybody help? Laleena 21:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

You might start by adding a section to the article Switzerland. You could also ask about other interested editors at Talk:Switzerland, or, probably better, Wikipedia:WikiProject Switzerland. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

International credential evaluation

Text deleted - JB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.249.30 (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read our policy on no original research. Basically, we want reliable sources to provide content for articles; we don't want essays by contributors. Sorry. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Soul Broker

Soul Broker is a heavy-rock quintet formed in 2004 and based in Richmond CA. Their debut CD Soul For Sale has had moderate success and they have spent the last 3 years building a reputation for great, energetic shows filled with blues-based stoner metal coupled with a punk rock sensibility.

Vocals: Mike Billings
Lead Guitar: Dan Wingfield
Rhythm Guitar: Keith Manners
Bass: "The Reverend" Harlem Watts
Drums: Mike Airoldi

www.soulbrokermusic.com
www.myspace.com/soulbroker
www.cdbaby.com/cd/soulbroker

Brainchylde 00:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

If you look at Wikipedia:Notability (music), you'll find a dozen criteria for a band to be considered notable. Which one(s) do you think this band has met? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Live Simply

Does live simply warrant a page?

It is currently ranked 5000 in the UK see Alexa

Its the first website to allow both landlords and agents to advertise for free online. Search google for Livesimply.co.uk

it features in several reviews online, and has been mentioned by industry experts in offline publications.

However it is a small company and a website?

what's your opinion?

Thanks--82.45.173.171 11:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability (web) and see if this website qualifies for an article, based on that guideline. As for offline publications, many are certainly reliable sources; the question probably would be more whether (in this case) they are (I'm guessing) small (local) newspapers, which often simply rewrite press releases. But an article in a national publication in a specialized area (say, online marketing) is fine. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Body Modification

If the lizard man can have his own Wikipedia page, then these two individuals definitely should have one as well!:

http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A10101/addsub/

That's pretty extreme if you ask me. --69.84.118.221 02:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

April 1, 1999 publication date. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

So can we include it? --69.84.118.221 17:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You're going to have to provide another source for this claimed transfer of a human limb; an April Fool's day article is NOT a reliable source. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Note that the existence of similar articles is not a valid reason for inclusion of an article.--Max Talk (+) 21:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

PRAKASH INDUSTRIES

PRAKASH INDUSTRIES LIMITED(PIL) is an emerging indian limited company.It manufactures steel,pvc pipes.It has recently signed some contract with Barclay's also.I am very impressed by its outcomes..Its share price rose from 38 or so to 100 ruppees within 3-4 months on bse.It is a part of surya roshni,another leading lightning company in india.According to me PIL has a great future.I request for views regarding formation of an article of the same.some sources as follows:

official website PIL bse homepage PIL money contol homepage

Kanha008 12:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which lays out criteria for whether organizations should have a separate article or not. In particular, you need to provide links to independent sources of information (newspaper and magazine articles, generally; stock price quotes and a company's website are almost meaningless in determining notability. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Da frame 2r / DAFRAME2R

Arctic monkeys rarity 'da frame 2r' has relatively no publicity at all, yet it is a fantastic track. it is supposedly set to be released as a b-side to a new single, 'matador', which is also a fantastic track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.211.131 (talk) 22:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. If something becomes very successful, THEN it's appropriate for Wikipedia. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

JL Audio

Can we have an article about the car audio company JL Audio? 12.175.85.80 19:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Off-hand, I'd say that the company is entitled to an article. To repeat what it says at the top of the page:

• If you simply want to suggest a topic for an article without giving any details or sources, go to Wikipedia:Requested articles. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)