Talk:List of Stratocaster players

Hi I am the creator of this article...If you have any ideas go for it!__Seadog ^♪ 01:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable users? list from the main article

Just pasting the notable users list from the main Strat article.

Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, Tommy Bolin, Fast Eddie Clarke, The Edge,Tim Farriss, John Frusciante, Hillel Slovak, Janick Gers, Mick Green, Albert Hammond, Jr.., George Harrison, Mary Kaye, Terry Kath, Ed King, Alex Lifeson, Nils Lofgren, Dave Murray, Mike Oldfield, Bonnie Raitt, Johnny Ramone, Uli Jon Roth, Steve Rothery, Adrian Smith, Richard Thompson, Pete Townshend, Henry Vestine, Joe Walsh and Frank Zappa

Some of these names are already included in this article and can be deleted. The others can be added to this article when anyone has time to do so. Once all the "notable users" have been properly added into this list(and cited???) It will be safe to delete the list from back on the main Stratocaster article. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 18:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the sooner the better. In fact, I would support just adding those who aren't already here (regardless of citation status) and deleting the list from the Fender Stratocaster article. We can do a summary style thing so people are pointed in the right direction. --Aguerriero (talk) 18:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Check out what I did and tell me what you think - moved the Artist Series stuff up to the model section, and just referred the "Famous Players" here. --Aguerriero (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. There are notable users sprinkled throughout the main article(including the 2 most involved in it's original developement) I just project templated them. Most of the others are already mentioned in this article but ther may be a few stragglers that shouldn't be forgotten. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Good job guys! Umm...I probably forgot some notable strat players, If you know any more please add. Also...We need citations (lots), if anyone has any please add. I would love to see this list become featured like its sister!__Seadog ^♪ 19:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• How about Mike McCready and Kenny Wayne Shepherd? 86.17.247.135 02:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Good Idea, but we should hang off of that idea until we can find some adequate references.__Seadog ^♪ 14:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I would really like to see Buddy Holly added with the same reference from the main strat article. I'll do it tonight as soon as I check up the reference.

Hey, all. I would just like to add one thing which is of trivial importance in a world gone mad, but of interest to us Strat lovers. The main article says that Mark Knopfler originally played Les Pauls but switched to Strats in the 80's. I don't think that's quite true. The famous solo in "Sultans of Swing" (1979)is almost certainly a Strat from the sound of it. Here are several URLs which buttress that opinion (the Mark Knopfler bio page in particular says he was playing a red strat a lot in the 70's before they hit it big): http://www.mark-knopfler-news.co.uk/biogs/mark.html http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa091000a.htm http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2002/aug12a.html thanks, MachDr 00:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced List

Here is the list of the unreferenced players of the list, if anyone finds a proper Citation please add the player from here to the list, and then remove the player from this unreferenced list. Cheers and good luck. Arjun 03:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• "Fast" Eddie Clarke, Paul Collins, Robert Cray, Tom DeLonge, John Frusciante, Ian D'Sa, Tim Farriss, Janick Gers, Terry Kath, Mark Knopfler, John Mayer, Mike McCready, Dave Murray, Bonnie Raitt, Richie Sambora, Adrian Smith, Richard Thompson.

Please see this site that I used as a reference for John Frusciante. Scroll down to Trade mark section, and all it says was that he used old Fenders. Is that good enough information? --Tohru Honda13^{Sign me!} 04:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Ack, I would think not, it is too vague, Fender could apply for Strat, Tele, Jazzmaster, and more. Arjun 04:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right. I've removed him. Shouldn't we remove his picture as well? Cause I did...was that the right thing to do? --Tohru Honda13^{Sign me!} 04:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

For now, sure it is logical to do it that way. But all this work will pay off soon...I have been working on this list since November! Cheers. Arjun 04:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection

This was semi-protected for repeated addition of uncited information by an IP range. When everyone's ready to start playing by the rules, we'll unprotect. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 04:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Table format

Questioning the switch to table format for the list. All featured lists are not in table form including the 3 Featured lists falling under the Music category. The table format also introduces errors in the citations for the entries that had multiple refs. In the alpha format citations were placed directly inline with the text they were meant to reference...specifically quotes. Now in table format they are stashed into a cold column. From previous discussions I believe that this list, along with a number of other "player" lists, are being pushed forth with an attempt to mirror the already featured Tele list in order to have consistency among these particular groups of lists. I disagree with the new "stiff" format and believe it should be changed back. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 14:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I like the list format too, but I kind of like having all the images on the right side. See also my comments in the peer review. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 14:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The "wikitable sortable" class is quite a new and unused class, and therefore it isn't expected that other lists will use it quite yet. Changing the list to a table form would be unnecessary, but it was converted specificly to this class as it helps pass criteria 1f of WP:WIAFL. Please see the Inductees of Canada's Walk of Fame featured list candidacy for further details. Michaelas10 (Talk) 14:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

My main concerns are the loss of 'cite'=>'cited text'. The list is meant to mirror the Tele list which does not use the table format.(and never will) Any "instrument user list" can really just spiral into a POV favourites list. That is what happened to the Tele list originally. But strict criteria for notability/citations elevated it to a valuable resource and an excellent companion the main Telecaster model article. A simple player list is really just a glorified equipment list. The Tele list took it to the next level by including direct quotes for notability using inline refs...sometimes multiple ones. The embedded images to pair up with their list entries made it that much more attractive. IMO the SRV photo parked adjacent to the Malmsteen entry looks rather awkward. Thoughts? Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 15:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see how a sort table makes this "easier to navigate". The Walk of Fame list could conceivably be sorted in two different ways (alphabetically or by year of entry) but for this one that doesn't make sense—the only intuitive way to sort this is by name. Thus it's unnecessary, and Anger's point stands (that the citations are ambiguous). --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 16:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I will have to agree with anger and spang, I think that the older format suited this better as it is on par with List of Telecaster players, also worth noting is the fact that the only real way to sort this list is by name. Arjun 16:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Some people might also want to sort the list by the age of the players, what would be very difficult to do when the list isn't sortable. Making the list a table also gives it a more professional outlook with clearer borders among items as opposed to plain bullets. A list shouldn't be a mirror of an other list, and I'm quite sure the Telecaster players list would fail an FLC right now per the exact same reasons. As for the references, I suggest the reference column will be removed and the references would be put into the remarks. Michaelas10 (Talk) 16:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Arjun. I liked the older formatting myself. I do agree with Michaelas on one thing: citation moves. It seems sort of odd how it is now. How do you know what is referenced. I suppose just clicking the cite would tell you (I think) but that's not very good. Move the citations to their proper place, remove the cites column, and drop the table. That's what I'm saying, in a nutshell. --Tohru Honda13^{Talk•Sign here} 22:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, yes you bring up a whole new point to the table, the ref thing will basically be flawed since if there is more than one ref they are reffing two completly different subjects. Arjun 22:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly my point. How do you know if it's referring to the same thing? --Tohru Honda13^{Talk•Sign here} 22:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Concensus is pretty clear as far as format goes. I don't have time to take on the task of "re-listing" just now. If anyone restores the preferred format...please be sure not to lose Michaelas10 or Llama Man's very valid wording changes. Also, the lead should read pretty much like the Tele list lead...with the obvious word swaps :) Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 23:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course, the grammar fixings are great, I just think for this *subject* the table is not needed :). Oh and yeah I personally think that the intro to this article is the only thing really holding it back from a featured list. Arjun 02:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Not wanting to be one to pop any balloons but to reach FL it needs more work than just getting rid of the useless table. The list verifies use very well. But the text...and most of the references do not not emphasize notability/history/longevity...etc. That will be the next phase the list will have to go into. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 12:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think this intro is significantly better than the one at List of Telecaster players, if only because it doesn't have the extremely vague and worthless phrase, "musicians who have made notable use of the Fender Telecaster, Broadcaster or Esquire in live performances or studio recordings." By all means, increase the length of this lead, but don't add that phrase please. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

That phrase is somewhat vague, perhaps, but the meaning of "notable use" is defined in the very next sentence. It's certainly not worthless--that's what explains why notable guitarist So-and-so who happens to have played a Strat in a video once shouldn't be on the list. Nick Graves 15:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I see that the "notable use" sentence has been taken out, and I have to agree now that this is better. The "significant use" sentence makes the "notable use" sentence redundant. Nick Graves 15:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I've just restored the old list format. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 19:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks good....again. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 20:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Names missing

After a quick read through I am noticing 2 names missing from the article. Not from the main alpha-list...but from the lead-in. Rex Gallion and Bill Carson were 2 guitarists instrumental(pardon the wording) in the overall design of the Stratocasters body shape. Their contribution should not be overlooked...either in the lead or as notable Strat players...which they certainly were. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 21:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It might be a thought to mention them in the lead, thanks for bringing this up. Arjun 21:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Albert Hammond Jr.

I know Albert Hammond Jr. of The Strokes plays a Fender and I think it's a Strat but I'm not 100% sure. Does anyone know for certain? Thanks! --74.34.217.222 23:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, under this section, Albert is mentioned but for some reason, he's not listed on the main article. I guess I'll add him. --74.34.217.222 23:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hendrix' guitar in flames twice?

"Frank Zappa (1940-1993) usually played a Gibson SG, but in the late 70s and into the 80s also played Les Pauls and Stratocasters, including the Strat that Jimi Hendrix had set aflame at the Miami Pop Festival in 1968."

We all know that Hendrix set aflame his guitar at the Monterey Pop Festival, in 1968. Did he do the same for the Miami Festival? Nazroon 17:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Why Not Murray Cook?

I added the guitarist of probably the biggest childs band in the world, the Wiggles's, Murray Cook who frequently uses a stratocaster and it was deleted. Why is he not considered famous enough? He is possibly the first guitarist children take real notice of and has inspired many children to play the guitar (me and 2 of my guitarist freinds included.) Also his band The Wiggles has world wide acclaim for being great music for children both for their enjoyment, education and getting them up to do physical activity. Just because he isn't a rockstar famous for his amazing solos doesn't make him an un-notable guitarist. Also if you listen to any of his solo work he is a quite good blues guitarist in his own right.