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Clan (Warriors)

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Doesn't seem notable, seems like fancruft, lacks sources Pilotbob 22:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. This would be better with sources, and isn't fancruft. With a few in-text citations, it would be better. Crowstar^{Crow callsTalon Marks} 23:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I agree with Crowstar, and I vote to keep the article. It doesn't contain fancruft. It contains vital information on the universe of that series... Though, yes, I suppose citing sources would be better, but the article doesn't need to be deleted. It just needs some work. TakaraLioness 23:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with them both I think we should keep it because the article isn't fancruft...If you need sorces I could surely find them I found them once before and I could find them again.VampiricCat 01:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per the arguments used at deletions for Bits of the Exalted series and List of ancient jedi... Falls into Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#PLOT as an unsourceable plot summary that only has in-world context. Not only is the article unsourced to reliable places but appears to be unsourceable. I cannot find, and doubt there is, any third-party writing about the clans inside Warriors (novel series). At best it should attract a small paragraph in the book series article (if even that can be sourced) - Peripitus (Talk) 00:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Wikipedia is not fan site. No independent notability. --S.dedalus 00:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete This is so badly written I have trouble figuring out what it is. Seems to just be character summaries with no real world notability. If this is saved it needs to be massively rewritten.Ridernyc 01:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - This is complete and utter crap. We've had this page for over a year... Nothing is wrong with it. It's not fancruft -it very clearly explains what the Warriors universe is like for those interested or confused by something in the books. And FYI, we HAVE references! Just look at the frickin' bottom of the page. We just don't cite every little thing... But, if you want that done, I'd do it. But don't nominate it for deletion just because of that - especially when you have no real knowledge of what the page is. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 03:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Basically, I think you are being far too extreme here. If you think something is wrong, give us time to fix it, don't be an ass and jump strait to deletion. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 03:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

the issue is not that the article is poor but that the subject is inherently unencyclopediac. It is not verifyable to third-party reliable sources...only to sources from within. If there are no significant third-parties writing directly about the subject then no amount of work can save the article - Peripitus (Talk) 09:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, or transwiki to a fan wiki, if they even want it. Incoherency can be solved by editing, but a lack of out-of-universe reliable source material cannot, and I see no indication that substantial amounts of such source material exist. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Is the Shinigami (Bleach) article fancruft? No. Is the Clan (Warriors) page fancruft? No. They both provide factual information about their respective universes - they are exactly the same in that respect, why is this one being put up for deletion, though? And I don't get why you continue pressing that these do not have sources - THEY DO! Just look at the bottom under "references." Every single novel of the Warriors series acted as a reference for this page! If you want specific page numbers, this can easily be done. All I'm saying is - yes, we CAN add in "better" sources. Give us a few weeks to do that rather than just deleting the page! --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 11:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep This is one of thousands of popular culture articles on wikipedia. I'm not fond of the category, but the solution is not to delete individual articles, where people have spent hours and hours to get things right. It would make more sense to try to get consensus to create a guideline to disallow this kinds of articles altogether. But even if such a guideline was approved, some respect for all the work people have spent on these articles is needed, and the information should be moved elsewhere - not deleted. Mlewan 13:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete And what is this article about? Unsalvageable; no sources, incoherent, in-universe, no notability, fancruft, the list goes on. Recreate it if you want to make it coherent and take the time to source, but the current version belongs in the wastebasket. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 18:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. The other Warriors pages are about the characters and the books themselves. What else are we supposed to do for confused fans? Go to each of them individually and explain it? This has many articles that would not fit onto any other page. Seriously, I can't see what's wrong with it. Lakestorm 22:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm Lakestorm 22:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Also wanted to add, none of it--none, zip, zero--is fancruft. Lakestorm 23:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm Lakestorm 23:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. How is this fancruft? It is totally logical and explains the geography, cats, customs, history, and etc. of the Clans in the series Warriors. This needs to stay and it shouldn't be deleted.

-CloudWind

• PS: I agree with whoever said we should have time to fix it before it is deleted.
  • PSS: I've used this article many, MANY time while writing fanfics, and others the same! Trust me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.204.174 (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep. This article is very useful. It gives you tons of facts and helpful information for warrior series readers!! And when something when needs work, you let people know and you work at it!!! To think people spent hours and hours on it. And to all the dumbos who said delete...I bet you dont even read the series...This article is PERFECT!!!so if your going to critize it when you dont even read it......DONT READ IT common sense!!!-no offense- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.224.221 (talk • contribs)

PS- THIS ARTICLE IS NOT FANCRUFT!!!

Fruit Salad, a girl who knows what she is doing...jerks71.252.224.221 04:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep This article for it is very informational and can help Warriors readers better understand things, or give them something to do. Also links in the blue print to take them to another article, saving time. Also, might help get people into the series itself out of interest. And may show things Warriors readers might not know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.99.72 (talk) 01:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep!! This article is not any sort of fancraft. seriously, it's helpful info that can be used for further understanding of the warriors novels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.134.43 (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep This article is awesome. We've worked really hard on it, and would hate to see it deleted and do it all over again. This article really helps all warrior fans and people who wants to get into warrios. DON NOT DELETE THIS ARTICLE!!PLEEZ!Cloud Salad 04:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)Cloud Salad