Talk:Penis

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Only Uncircumcised?

This article contains only pictures of uncircumcised penis' and one with the foreskin retracted. For the sake of the subject of the article I say a uncircumcised picture should be added

Couldn't agree more! Those images basically ASSERT one thing: that ALL white males have circumcised jewish penises. Unfortunately (or should I say thankfully) we don't all share this trait. The US has a "mindset" on ritual medical circumcision, many other western countries don't, and if one looks deep enough one will find that the norm comes over as uncircumcised. So, why show circumcised images throughout the entire article if it is not representative of a "world view"? (and why isn't there a tag saying so?)

Sorry, but you'd have to be blind not to notice that theres a "hidden agenda" here. Images speak louder than words, they can have lasting effect. Those images are stating that its the norm for white males to be circumcised, it isn't! Those images promote a one sided view, a false view, a jewish-american view. The only credibility in that is to the gullible. Which is even worse. 81.151.108.130 22:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You are both mistaken. There are only two pictures of circumicised penises in this article, under the "Altering gentialia" section, one showing it to be flaccid, and the other showing it to be erect. The rest are all uncircumcised, which you will see if you look at the captions. Asarelah 23:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Penile Enlargement

I think the page could be expanded with the theme penile enlargment, with the methods and surgical options of penis enlargement. I have a large biography about the subject but i cant edit the page

Images

I removed some pictures. I replces one picture too, but for some reason it is not displayed. Provide normal images, the like one can find in scholary books. Tamokk 11:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah-ha-ha! That photo of an erect penis isn't a penis - it's a Monster Penis! It rises way above that guy's navel, and is enormous in girth. That's a gay-porn penis. The other penises pictured fall into the range of sizes for the vast majority of penises. What a joke.16:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

That image needs to be replaced (image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Erect_penis_with_labels.jpg), it is really unnecessary to have that type of image on wikipedia. Someone replace it with a picture that would actually be used in a medical text book - if a medical text book would work for doctors, then it will work for wikipedia. 71.195.168.138 02:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree! The image is ridiculous, he is all hard, shaved, and lubed up like straight out of a porn. I didn't have Wikipedia when I was a little kid, but I'm sure I was curious and looked up "penis" in the Encyclopedia Britannica. If I would have seen an image like that, I would probably have been emotionally scarred. Whoever added it must be a perv.

About the herpes photo

Please remove that photo! It made me puke twice already! Please! Wikipedia is for getting information, not for you to lose your appetite. That photo is grossing everyone out.

This comment isn't signed, nor is it academic or appropriate in nature. It should be removed. WiiAlbanyGirl 07:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like someone removed the photo anyway. --Art8641 21:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why wasn't it in the Herpes article anyway? FiringRange 21:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Image size

Clawed, I respect your work. We disagree on the image size issue. Use preferences are most important. It is true that a person may not be able to see the detail in the image, depending on their chosen image size. Most users know they can click on an image to see the fulll image and detail. No information is lost by allowing user preferences to work. Let's talk about it please. Atom 13:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

This comment reads too much like a personals ad. I suggest you alter it to sound more professional. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Plunge (talk • contribs) 19:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia is lily white

I protest the fact that there are no pictures of black/asian/anything else penises here. Black guys have dicks too.

No shit? I've been limiting my dick sucking to only a tiny percentage of the population? I've wasted my life! Seriously though, what do you think of a montage of penises of all races/sizes etc.? I think that would probably be the best approach for any wikipedia article about a human physical feature. We should always strive to be representative of all the different variations of a given thing so that readers are aware of all the different looks of a thing that fall under a given name. I volunteer you to go out and start asking men on the street of all different races if you can photograph their penises. 69.171.60.23 19:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, it ought to be mentioned that there are size variations between races, with people living in colder areas sporting slightly smaller penises(that's you, wiki-nerd reading this).

Also, I would expect this article to be about the fact that most mammals have a penis and what is it used for, not some bs. about piercing. It's too long for chrissakes(pun not intented). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.181.74.22 (talk) 15:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

Unless you have scientific data to back up the claim that humans in northerly regions of the world have proportionately smaller penises, there's no way that will be included in the article. It's as reliable as a wive's tale. As for your problem with races not being represented equally--why don't you go to the beard article, sunburn article, and acne articles and complain of the same thing? It does no good to make a stir over something that you know is not making a political statement and that you know is a ridiculous thing to work around. We will not clutter the Penis article with more pictures of penises for the sake of representing all skin colors. We have too many issues with the images in the article as it is. --Berserk798 22:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

can a penus be removed when you have cancer in it and still urneate

Yes. It's easy to remove your penis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.171.60.23 (talk) 19:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

I agree that there are superflueous penii on the page that are specific to one species only. I feel that all species should be represented equally in a massive montage of all the penis in the world. [nods] 211.30.71.59 01:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I second the above comment! Maybe someone could make a mosaic of a penis using pictures of the many different colors of penii from every race.Carlanna 20:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think anyone who looks at this page and sees the penis pictures can tell you what a black penis looks like. It's like the penis in the picture..... only black. I could personally care less who's color penis is in the article because it doesn't matter. It's a silly thing to argue about really.XXLegendXx 04:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

If anyone wants to replace any of the images with an equivalent free content image of any race, I can see no problem with that. Just upload it to Wikimedia Commons (like those at Commons:Penis) and switch it on the page --h2g2bob 02:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This may sound dumb, but is there any reason that the picture of penises have to be in color? Quite honestly, I realy don't understand the hubub over the color. This is a non-issue. From a pratical standpoint, there is no way(or encyclopedic reason) to have a page that shows every penis of size, shape or color. There are other sites for that. --Art8641 21:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's funny that all the penis photographs are "oriented" from left to right. How Western| of us! 129.137.160.100 16:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I Think that if you want pitures of black and asian cocks then take a pic of your cock and put it on here. simple as that!--Random05 23:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Mass

I have removed a section from the article about the mass of the human penis. It seems trivial and adds nothing to this article or to the reader's comprehension of the penis. The removed section read:

Main article: Human penis size

An approximate method (assuming the penis is mainly blood and is an approximate cylinder) is through the use of the following equation where the mesurements are in centimeters and the result is in gramms.

$((\pi *(Radius/2\pi )^{2})^{2})*Length)*1.060$

This results in a result of 727.93861 grams for the worlds largest recorded penis and 199.394928 grams for the world average sized penis.

Do other editors feel this content is important and should be restored? WjBscribe 20:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

no 125.238.65.47 09:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed warning

The warning message added here seemed a little over the top, so I removed it. I would think that people looking up this page would probably expect it. Other pages - such as Vagina - don't have any warning. --h2g2bob 02:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Its even worse that the look-a-like template wasn't even spelt correctly.. - Boochan 07:06, 5 March 2007

growthof the penis

does the penis stop growing as man gets older our does the size of the penis can enlarge our get shorter throw a mans life i know the penis stop growing at the age of 18 but does it. Can it enlarge by losing weight our with age get shorter our any other reson... 70.161.67.204 18:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)bob.

The penis finishes growing by about age 16, give or take a couple years. Size doesn't really change after that, unless puberty was delayed (rare). There can be a slight decrease in size by old age due to a decrease in circulation, but as long as you stay in shape this should be neglible. Losing or gaining weight can change how much of the penis is visible, but it doesn't actually change the size.

Wits 13:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Jerking off a lot should keep it from shrinking.

Size

I am sexual health advisor from the UK. I tried to add the following text to the chapter on size, but it has been removed, can someone please explain why?

"and this is often refered to as a 'grower' as opposed to a 'shower'. The penis and scrotum are part of retractable muscle of which the owner has no control over. In some men they often contract due to a variety of different eniromental issues, such as cold weather, being nervous and doing sports and is called a 'peanut'. This contraction can lead to issue around changing in open planned changing rooms especially for men during puberty. "

sailor iain 16:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The text was removed by Nandesuka (talk · contribs), citing no original research. I think there would be no problem with it, but it would be helpful to provide a source for the information. --h2g2bob 16:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem with it...!?! The mind boggles... Duke of Whitstable 22:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Most men do not have a huge Penis. When women find out that most men have penis sizes a little bigger that 5 inches they laugh. The truth is that most men have penis sizes fluctuating around 5 to 6 inches.

:Why would they laugh?CerealBabyMilk 22:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think any guy seriously tells the truth about his penis size, so if all the 5" penises a woman has been with claimed to be 6" penises, and all the 6" penises claimed to be 7 1/2" (i'm assuming the slightly bigger penises go up a little more in lie) and all the 7" penises claimed to be 9" penises - then most women probably think 5" penises are actually 6" penises and the 5" penises (which they've never seen but would imagine are pretty small) sound comical. Porn stars claim to be 10" or 11" sometimes, but there's very little medical precedent for such a thing. Everybody lies about this stuff. A woman can't just glance at a penis and determine it's exact length. For some reason all men lie about that stuff. I would say, as a rule, men round up their penis to the nearest inch and then add an inch. So 5 1/2 inches becomes 7 inches. It's ridiculous. Those women that are laughing I guess the joke is on them because they don't ...understand what an inch looks like? I don't know

Size of erect penis in image

I liked the previous circumcised pictures- (erect and not) they showed a nice-looking penis that was not especially big- it was more representative of a lot of us!

Yeah I agree, that's a big dinger.

I'm not sure exactly which image is referred to, however, the erect penis at http:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Erect_penis_with_labels.jpg looks much larger than average; it looks about 8 inches. I recommend it be replaced with an image of a more average sized penis. Given the popularity of this page (I think it's in the top 200 most visited) I suspect some readers will believe the picture represents an average penis, so it may cause unnecessary body image anxiety.

Wayyy Too Many Images

I think the erection pic,the 2nd Illustration of the anatomy pic,the pierced one,and the comparison pics should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Willie512 (talk • contribs).

Wikipedia is not censored. Please do not remove longstanding photos in the article without establishing a broader consensus for doing so. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually to a certain extent I think he is right. Do we need Image:Penis corrected.jpg and Image:Uncircumcised Penis.jpg ? Likewise do we need Image:Circumsized penis w notations.jpg and Image:Circumsised penis - Flacid and Erect - High Res2.jpg Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 21:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Theresa. It's not a question of censorship -- I absolutely believe that we need good images on this article. We just don't need quite so many. They make the article appear too cluttered. Nandesuka 22:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been bold and removed some of the "duplicates". I left in the piercing picture because that's illustrative of something the other pictures don't really capture. Nandesuka 22:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I know it's not censored.My problem is that there are just 2 pics on the vagina page but on this page it's about fifty-leven pics.And instead of putting all these pics on this page you could put some of those pics on it's main articles.Willie512 22:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

My initial objection was that nearly all of the pictures had been removed at one point (all but one poor black-and-white one had been removed). I'd removed a few when I restored it. I don't have a problem with the other removals, though I suppose it could be argued that it might make sense to show a circumcised one in addition to uncircumcised. I also realize that this article frequently seems to be a target for "put-my-penis-on-Wikipedia" vanity, so 2-3 good-quality photos should be sufficient. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not porn. I think having so many images is vulgar and unneccesary. Wouldn't drawings or diagrams serve the same purpose in a more plesant way?

I'm sorry, you must have the wrong website. Wikipedia is run by a pornographer and is most definitely not a serious encyclopedia. The stated purpose of wikipedia is disseminating pornographic materials to minors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.136.204.61 (talk) 01:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Okay, the idea that nudity is vulgar is absurd. Not even the Bible agrees with this fact. The thing is NO a drawing or diagram does not suffice. Consider if you will the automotive or architectural articles on wikipedia. Do you feel that drawings or blueprints of the Sears Tower would suffice? How about a nice diagram of the automobile?? The fact is a picture shows greater detail and adds the concept of reallity. --MJHankel 18:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't always do so, and wikipedia is full of hardcore pornography, just not in this article.

Okay, seriously if you think that anything on wikipedia is Hardcore pornography, you seriously are closed minded. I have seen nothing on all of wikipedia that would legally quallify as hardcore. --MJHankel 23:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Autofellatio_2.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fellatio1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Masturbation1a.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Orgasm.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Auto-fellatio.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ejaculation_Educational_Demonstration.OGG

The list goes on and on.

Why cant we just have cartoon illustrations or some strong warnings at the beginning.

I have added a pic of an example of a natural variation showing a curvature of an erect penis. The article lacked an example of this state BigBoris 18:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you just want to show us all your big penis, BigBoris? 24.62.25.90 03:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

24.62.25.90, please check the source, this is not a pic of BigBoris' penis BigBoris 08:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

In the article's history at 11:26, 12 July 2007 Nandesuka has stated "(Please get consensus for new images FIRST. Thanks.)" Does anybody have any objection to the re-insertion of the penis image edited out of the article by Nandesuka?

What exactly is it that you think that picture contributes that the other five pictures in the article don't? Nandesuka 11:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The article lacks pictorial examples under the "Normal variations" heading. If there are no objections I will reinsert the deleted image BigBoris 21:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I still don't understand what you think that image contributes that the other five images don't. What, specifically, is it illustrating that isn't in the other pictures? If you can't answer this question effectively, then I object. Nandesuka 23:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The picture demonstrates an example of a natural variation as per the sub heading. The image of the variation shows a remarkable curvature to the left. BigBoris 14:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It really doesn't seem like a particularly interesting example to me, frankly. Given that the article is already quite well illustrated, and given the problems that this article has with people trying to exhibit their own pictures for prurient reasons, I do not think that adding this picture would improve the article in any way. Nandesuka 12:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Are there any other comments or concerns regarding the reinsertion of the image removed by Nandesuka ? BigBoris 21:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Nandesuka that it's unnecessary. We certainly don't need to illustrate every conceivable variation. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

How many variations should be depicted? BigBoris 05:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to agree that a drawn diagram would be much more appropriate than the visual images currently on display. Each and every part of the penis can be labelled and explained just as easily if not more-so on a drawn diagram. Children visit this website.

Modification Image

Hey, I contributed a picture to the Prince Albert piercing section (the second one down). I know it's a picture I contributed so it might seem biased to say I think it's an improvement over the one currently posted, so I would like anyone's opinion, if you disagree strongly I won't even consider editing.

Orbiterdictum 00:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what yours looks like, but I feel that it's a poor quality photo of an ampallang, which also isn't a very common genital piercing. I feel that a higher quality photo of a PA would be both more appropriate. Theygoboom13 01:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey again, I edited the picture under the genital modification area that formerly had the ampallag. I gave some warning so I hope it isn't too much of a shock, be glad to take it down and replace it if you find it still isn't in the right. thanks for the imput!

(Orbiterdictum 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

Circumcision/Genital Mutilation

These topics are of course approached on this page since they effect this organ. There are of course differing opinions on these issues. that the clitoris page clearly states that female circumcision is genital mutilation., Many types of this are equivalent, no more severe than, male circumcision, and are recognised as genital mutilation. Ethical standards can be applied regardless of gender, and if cutting off apart of a females genitals without her consent is mutilation, than so should be cutting off a part of a males without his consent. The fact the victim is male does not effect whether or not it is a ethical violation. It is not okay to say it is okay to remove a foreskin from a boy, and then say it is not okay to do this to a girl, by removing her clitoral foreskin. Mutilation is mutilation and what makes it mutilation is cutting up a part of a persons body that has no medical abnormality, to cut off a body part from a child or any other non-consenting person you ought to have a medical essentiality to treat a current and present clinically verifiable medical abnormality (disease), where there is no lesser invasive alternative and the disease condition is not minor and is life threatening or threatening of essential health, and where the amputation is necessary to treat this, and the current and present disease actually involves the body part to be amputated, is the only way an amputation of an organ or a part of an organ can be ethically justified. Thus cutting off a healthy girls clitoral hood is wrong, as is cutting off the entire clitoris, and cutting off a boys foreskin is wrong, as is cutting off his entire glans. They all destroy body parts, regardless of lesser or greater degree, regardless of whether it is boy or girl, its still unethical when it is done without the consent, to an unconsenting person including children, of the person who lives in the body. Ethics is not something which you selectively disregard based on what is convenient for your cultural views. The fact that africans see cutting off the clitoral hood as being normal does not mean that this is acceptable or ethical, and the same also applies to male circumcision. It is interesting, and a bit of an insanity, that we could not refer to it as genital mutilation on this page without some people getting upset, but it is perfectly acceptable to do the equivalent on the clitoris page. It is not conveniently not mutilation because it is done to boys, or because it is a different body part. Keep in mind, that for these african cultures, that removing part of the female genitals, such as clitoris, or only the clitoral hood (equivalent to male circumcision), is seen as normal and is not considered mutilation, it however from outside perspectives from societies where these practices are not a part of the culture, they are seen as violation of human rights, since they violate the physical integrity and self determination of a person regarding their own body. The same tends to be true of male circumcision. about this issue, on the male circumcision page and other pages dealing with the penis, since there are different sides to this issue, it would be best to have a section for for and against sides of the issue. Wikipedia documents facts but also the differing views and perceptions people have about them since this is very much a part of the subject. There is ample documentation that many men do perceive circumcision as a mutilation that was inflicted on them and as a child that violated their human right to physical integrity by permenantly destroying a body part that had no pathological or medical abnormaliities and whatsoever. [1] It is not unreasonable that these perspectives should be mentioned in a section set aside for them as they are quite relavant.

If a fully informed and consenting adult wants to circumcise themselves, as long as it is their own choice, they are may go ahead and do it. But it is wrong to force this on unconsenting persons or children. It all comes down to choice and self determination, the right of the person whose body it is to make choices on amputations of normal body parts as a fully informed and consenting adult.

Millueradfa 03:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Flaccid and Erect Comparison Image

In my opinion the flaccid and erect image could be better: 1. The flaccid stage is much closer than the erect, angle and distance of the camera are different. At a first glance it looks like only the shape changes, not the size. 2. The image quality is poor. The erect stage is even a bit distorted. Therefore, I propose another picture: Image:Human_penis_flaccid_and_erect.jpg. It is not perfect, but I think it is better than the previous image and better than other candidates: Image:Penis_flaccid_penis_erected.jpg would be another option, but it is shaved. Image:Uncircumcised_Penis.jpg also looks like there is only a minor difference in size. Image:Flaccid-erect.jpg is good but circumcised. Habbo42 22:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

tried to change it to the 2nd option you gave, but its not showing up...

I just wanted to echo my support for this poster's suggestion to use the following image: Image:Human_penis_flaccid_and_erect.jpg The pictures are of higher quality, and show the penis in its unaltered state. I think showing a penis w/out the foreskin isn't a wise thing to do. Either show flaccid & erect for penisis both with and without the foreskin, or only show the penis in its natural state. Showing only a cirucumcised penis in the flacid/erect comparison does not reflect that most of the world's (and english speaking world's) men have foreskin Thestoryofmikeb 23:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)thestoryofmikeb

Human bias

There are a lot of archives for this page and maybe this has been suggested before, but what do we think about splitting this article into "Human Penis" and a generic "Penis" article? — The Storm Surfer 05:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Image Problem

There is an error with the image in the "erection" section (Image:Penis flaccid penis erected.jpg) - the image linked to is not being rendered/shown. I don't get it - any other image shows up fine, but this one for some reason is shown only as a link. Help? Goldfritter 13:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The erection image was replaced with a new one that was listed at MediaWiki:Bad image list without exceptions. I added an exception for this article, so this should be fixed now. Prolog 14:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

What if the erectile penis points stiffly verticaly upwards from which direction it can be moved by just a small angle, so that it can have a horizontal direction or even one near it? How can it be corrected?

Porn

Is the pictures in the article Porn ? --Rebeccarulz123 15:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No. — AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 20:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes they are — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.204.61 (talk • contribs) 16:55, June 11, 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, no. -- Satori Son 03:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, no. FiringRange 21:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, sort of. You don't see that stuff in wikipedia's arch nemesis Encyclopaedia Britannica. What's wrong with an anatomical chart? I don't want to see that stuff.

Definately not. We have a massive diagram of a penis and a vagina in our science lab in secondary school!

If you don't want to see it don't look at it. Wikipedia is not censored. If you think any real life picture of a penis constitutes "porn", then you need to grow up.Rglong 11:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's my thought on the matter... One of the biggest banes of existence is the belief that the so-called "sexual organs" are obscene. Save for those minutes in which they're being used for one of two physiologically designed purposes, genitalia is nothing more than a piece of hanging skin or several folds of skin. There is nothing obscene about it. To show a penis, flaccid or erect, is not necessarily porn - if it's being shown in an attempt to educate. The same can be said for a vagina, aroused or not. Even the sexual act itself, unless used for the sole purpose of arousal and sexual stimulation, should not be automatically considered "porn".

As for the Encyclopaedia Britannica not having images of flaccid and erect penii, or aroused vagina... They're an ages old institution, likely run by a group of stuffy, closed-minded chaps who think that it would be obscene to truly educate the masses.

I personally believe that, in order for we [i]homo sapiens[/i] to advance as a species, we need to cast off our previous assumptions and beliefs that certain things are "obscene" or "pornographic".Damien Cross 04:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Normal Variations

I would like someone to provide a citation for the statement "penis of average size can withdraw almost completely within the body". I find that statement completely unbelievable. 207.69.137.23 04:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

• It's true. Try it.

Obscene photo

In the United States a turgid penis is considered obscene and should be removed to comply with the law. Morthanley 01:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Source please? The following 1973 case, Miller v. California defines an obscene work as:

1. That the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest; AND
2. That the work depicts or describes in a patently offensive way, as measured by contemporary community standards, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable law; AND
3. That a reasonable person would find that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political and scientific value.

Under this definition, a turgid penis is not obscene in the context of an encyclopedia article, since the article as a whole clearly does not appeal to prurient interest, nor does it lack any scientific value. Perhaps you have another judicial ruling? Silly rabbit 16:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia, a victim of narcissism, perversion and porn

Its apparent that this site while being somewhat educational is a victim od its own 'success'. Yes informative is imperative, but when that information or data overlaps in the area of sexual perversion it ceases to educate and instead tittilates.

Yes, it is based on an open-source censorship-free sphere, so with that same ethos, it is also subject to the same forces that can remove or HACK the obscenities

I strongly suggest that anyone who knows how to or knows anyone who can hack in to remove these obscenities should do so freely.

First of all, no one needs to "hack in" to remove or edit any such thing. You can edit it yourself. Wikipedia is editable by anyone. Second of all, Wikipedia is not censored for minors. There is no sexual act depicted. It is simply a statement of visual fact. Laerwen 01:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Yet another image suggestion

File:Male genitalia reworked.jpg

We could put the image in an infobox with a list of the various anatomical parts. (These are listed on the image page.) This seems a bit more informative than some of the other photos here. Silly rabbit 22:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Developmental disorders of the penis -- Does not belong in this page

Not only is the small section on developmental disorders very incomplete, it does not relate strongly enough to the main article which is not about developmental disorders but the penis. This section if expanded would be much better suited in a new article. Also, the very unattractive picture associated with the micropenis is inappropriate to show in this article for reasons above.

Penis image

I think we should replace image of circumcised penis as most men have uncirmucised penis. Circumcised penis is not natural. That is very weird as we don't have any images of natural penis here. You can show circumcised penis here. --Zzzzzzzzzz 18:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

*Cough* i have a circumsicion and it may not be natural but it certainly is not THAT big a deal, wait, maybe i should rephrase that... The boy previously known as a vandal 09:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a bit weird that all of the images on this page show the foreskin either fully retracted or entirely cut off. Worldwide, only around 15% of men are circumcised, and the other 85% don't exactly walk around all day with their foreskins pulled right back.

My preference would be to have something similar to File:Foreskin2.jpg as the main image on the page, as (apart from the skin colour) it is genuinely representative of what most mens' penises look like most of the time, whereas File:IMG 0269.JPG, er, isn't. 217.155.20.163 15:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm also circumcised, as is almost everyone I know (those whom I know that about). However I live in the U.S., and this trend was popular around the time I was born, and it is quickly going out of style. Just because this article is in English doesn't mean it should be U.S.-centric. I agree that the number of pictures of uncircumcised penises should outweight the circumcised.Rglong 11:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

An article on the penis should show it in its unadulterated state. Then, under Circumcision (either as a ref to its own page or as a sub heading), we can see what mankind has done to the penis for either religious or health or fashionalbe reasons. Lets see how it should look and work naturally. (Kunchan 23:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC))

uncircumcised penises are unattractive and frankly look gross. Ask any girl in the U.S. and she'll agree (unless he used to be a man herself) 70.244.234.4 00:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not the uncircumised penis is attractive is irrelevant. This is an encyclopedia article, and its primary purpose is to be informative, not aesthetically pleasing. A photograph of a penis in its natural, unmodified state is therefore important to the article. Asarelah 15:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

"uncircumcised penises are unattractive and frankly look gross. Ask any girl in the U.S. and she'll agree (unless he [sic] used to be a man herself)" - ANY girl in the U.S., eh? That's a pretty bold statement. However, I'd have to agree with Asarelah - I think that the penis in its natural, unmodified state would likely be the best choice for a main image. Later on in the article, once the discussion led towards modifications, you could show an image of a circumcised penis.Damien Cross 01:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

New Image

I have made a new image (erection) which I will use to replace the existing one. It is clearer and has more anatomical labels.

StewE17 15:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I got a hard on watching it, so well done :P --84.230.243.13 10:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Its Crap, lack of detail.. looks like you took it with a webcam.

I don't understand why we had to get rid of the perfect high-res, quality images we had before. Now we have shit like this. - Boochan 13:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Flaccid and Erect Comparison Image

I agree with thestoryofmikeb (22 June 2007) above that the pictures of the circumcised penis should be replaced. There is a reference to the circumcision page in the article which covers the subject comprehensively. This page should be dealing with the penis in its natural state and leave circumcision as a separate subject concerning a minority of the human male population (as well as a human rights topic).

I will replace it with Human_penis_flaccid_and_erect.jpg at thestoryofmikeb's suggestion.

As a later enhancement, it might be a good idea to show the same penis in four states:

1. Flaccid/foreskin covering glans (most common state)

2. Flaccid/foreskin retracted to expose glans

3. Erect/foreskin covering glans

4. Erect/foreskin retracted to expose glans

It would be nice if someone could supply a high quality combination picture of these four states of the same penis. I realise that many penises do not have a tight enough foreskin for the glans to remain covered when erect (without manual help), so this does present a slight difficulty (this has reminded me to check whether the foreskin page covers this phenomenon; no pun intended).

StewE17 16:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Minor correction

Since circumcision has moved to its own page, I have corrected the "see also" to "main article".

StewE17 17:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Tidy up

Upon further thought, the section on circumcision is now redundant and can be removed entirely, and the subject can be moved to the "see also" section, which I will now do.

StewE17 13:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Prince Albert piercing photo

My, that is just lovely. Well done whoever put that up, you really did Wikipedia proud... Vranak 23:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Having a piercing myself, I think that it would likely be in the best interest of education and information to provide descriptions and images of potential penile modifications. I don't know if Vranak was being sarcastic or not, but it might not be a bad thing to consider.Damien Cross 01:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Size

In the size paragraph a length of 12,7-15 cm and a circumference of 12,3 are given. The circumference is clearly wrong and should be corrected.

Non Circumcised Penis

You should include a picture of a non circumcised penis, to show people what they look like. This is an encyclopedia after all. I think it is unfair to have only a picture of a circumcised penis. Also include one with a ring in it.

• Truth be told, the base image (not the anayomical diagram) should be an uncircumcised penis, as that is its natural state.

I believe it is. ←Ben^B4 13:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture Caption

I have removed the word "uncircumcised" from the double picture; this is the default condition.

For future reference: the word "intact" should be used instead of "uncircumcised", as the current vogue seems to be to avoid distorting language. Apparently it is misleading to describe something in terms of the abnormal or unusual, e.g. we don't say things like "a person with an unamputated arm", as though it were normal to have their arms amputated and unusual to see someone with an arm.

StewE17 14:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think your parallel to an arm is completely fair since it is quite unusual to have an arm missing. On the other hand circumcised penises are quite common and thus not unusual as you state. Thus "penis" in general means either circumcised or uncircumcised penis and it is thus fair to clarify which kind of penis we are talking about. --Morten LJ 13:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Penis Pictures

i think the pictures are usefull in the sence that it allows a person the info that not all are the same in size and look.

Penis Structure image

I feel this image should be replaced with a drawn diagram. The image in this context is highly unnecessary.

Please read the notice at the top of this page. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I have read it. It doesn't relate to my point.

Why is the image unnecessary? Also, please sign your posts on the talk pages. Instructions on how to do so are on the top of the page when you edit it. Asarelah 15:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It is way too graphic to be in an "encyclopedia". --Henry W. Schmitt 22:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

As noted on the talk of the talk page, Wikipedia is not censored, and you're wasting your time complaining about the pictures here. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 22:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes I am aware of wikipedia's cute little rules, but I do not agree with them. Please refer to my userpage for more information. -Henry W. Schmitt 01:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

If you don't agree with them, or lack the open-mindedness to work within the bounds of them, why bother using Wikipedia? Censorship is, honestly, one of the worst banes of human existence. It's a case of "If you don't like what you see, don't look!" - or akin to the idea of passing laws "for the good of the common man". Just because YOU don't want to be allowed to do something doesn't mean *I* don't want to.Damien Cross 01:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The worst bane of human existence, eh? While I'd agree to some degree, censorship is a rather broad umbrella term. Just like communism, 100% no censorship is a grand idea, but it just doesn't work at that level. Being able to protest and march and speak as one pleases are good things not to censor. Having any book available to check-out at your local library is another good example. But where is the line drawn? In the United States, persons under the age of twenty-one cannot consume alcohol, and for most of the country, persons under the age of sixteen cannot operate automobiles on public streets and highways. Is this censorship? In the same country, pornography cannot be viewed and cigarettes cannot be smoked by persons under the age of eighteen. Although I do not consider the photograph in question as pornography, it is pretty darn close. As an umbrella term, "no censorship" can apply to anything. All rules and laws (Including the ones Wikipedia stands by) can be seen as censorship. "No bad sources"? Just because YOU do not want to look at something does not mean I do not want to. --Henry W. Schmitt 19:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The rules are not irrelevant merely because you disagree with them, Mr. Schmitt. If you believe that Wikipedia should be censored, then I recommend going to Conservapedia instead. Asarelah 02:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your concerns, I believe I have addressed them in my above response to Mr. Cross. -Henry W. Schmitt 19:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Why strictly Human Penis'?

This article is "Penis" yet all images are of the human penis. Wouldn't it make more sense to replace one or two images of the human penis with the penis of another mammal? Seperating them would be of no benefit to the reader and would serve only for perverse reasons.

Adding images of non-human penises is a good idea, but I don't agree showing the human penis is "perverse" and I don't think there are too many images. I do think for the circumsised one that this is a better quality image than the one there now: Image:Flaccid-erect.jpg

Slang terms

"Bezzler" is a term sometimes used to describe the male external genitalia and urinary organ (penis + scrotum) or (rod + balls). The organ is sometimes referred to as the "urinary bezzler" or simply as the "bezz."--Katy May beauty products 15:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

You'll need to provide a reliable source backing up that claim. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)