::::: :( I wish so, too. But wouldn't a self-nom be the closest to that?? ;) ~[[User:Eliz81|<font color="1E90FF" face="Comic Sans Ms">'''Eliz'''</font>]][[User_talk:Eliz81|<font face="Comic Sans Ms" color="9966CC">'''81'''</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Eliz81|<font color="1E90FF">(C)</font>]]</sup> 08:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: :( I wish so, too. But wouldn't a self-nom be the closest to that?? ;) ~[[User:Eliz81|<font color="1E90FF" face="Comic Sans Ms">'''Eliz'''</font>]][[User_talk:Eliz81|<font face="Comic Sans Ms" color="9966CC">'''81'''</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Eliz81|<font color="1E90FF">(C)</font>]]</sup> 08:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::LOL! Sadly, no. We shall see what happens. <small>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="8B00FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="F64A8A">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="007FFF">'''Gold'''</font>]]</small> 08:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::LOL! Sadly, no. We shall see what happens. <small>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="8B00FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="F64A8A">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="007FFF">'''Gold'''</font>]]</small> 08:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
== What's the problem? ==
My post. It looks OK. But when I check 'diff', I see anomaly. I tested on my talk page. No anomaly. God know what is going on.[[user:Sharara|<font color="161803">'''sharara'''</font>]] 15:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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Saw your edits on Arabian horse (and left them there, see, I really don't "own" articles, I DO leave constructive edits alone!) Anyway, I had never heard of the right-left formatting thing, and was wondering if you could explain it further, I like to see images alternated on pages where there are a lot of them, and it seems consistent with wikiguidelines, but I sure would like to understand the formatting glitch problem so that the layout looks good everywhere. Montanabw(talk)19:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Montana! I've left you a typical ArielVerbosity reply on your talk page! Feel free to ask if you have any other questions, but of course, guidelines aren't set in stone, so they're just suggestions for improving accessibility for all readers. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold03:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply, I did read those image articles once, (Some of the images in the Arabian article were inserted very early on) probably never hurts to review, the only part I am still fuzzy about is when putting images on the left is a problem. Is it ONLY right under a === heading, or is it under any (==, ====, etc) heading, and is the only problem the thing of moving the heading over in an odd fashion? As for the rest, now yeah, usually when I deliberately oversize (or undersize) an image, it is for a specific reason, (usually that the default is too small to be usable) but so does the image itself also scale if folks use large type? For example, will an image scaled at 250px stay 250 pixels, or will it grow bigger if someone chooses a very large font? (Is there an article on the disability accommodation stuff?z I was a little concerned that moving some of the images took them a bit away from the text with which they were associated (mostly the Darley Arabian image, it was a 17th century image, but its new placement implies that he was somehow affiliated with the Crabbet Stud, which is not accurate), I've also tried to be nice about not tossing out images other people add, if they are good ones (the Sangusko family and King Wilhelm both started major Arabian studs, for example), though I do think the article is a little image heavy (yet, given that all images relate pretty closely to the text, hard to say they aren't helpful). I've thought about putting it up for FA status, but frankly, I am terrified of what a day of vandalism that would be if it got it. Thoughts?? Montanabw(talk)05:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Interesting. I personally loathe all right aligned image pages, but that's just a style thing, not a moral issue. (grin) As far as FA, yep, the meat-grinder of editing is also a worry, I submitted it once for peer review and got a standardized template answer and nothing more, that was real disappointing, though I did do some tweaks just based on that. Took a bit of work to get to GA status, which was mostly fun. Sometimes you put an article up in the general wikipublic, and what you get are the control jerks. Had a rough time helping get GA for Horses in the Middle Ages, someone just got weird about the citation stuff. As for FA prep, if there is anything that just glares out at you, give me a shout. May not have a lot of time to work on it now (currently dealing with someone who is insisting that every section of cowboy be sourced, just out of the blue, seems rather annoying when the information isn't being questioned) but will keep it all in mind and get to it eventually. Montanabw(talk)05:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you know, at first, I wasn't a fan of all right-aligned images on articles either, but more and more, I've come to prefer them, at least here on Wikipedia, just because it makes articles easier to read, and less distracting. Anywhere else, and I prefer to have a nice balanced layout. It is a style thing, and not a rule, but it is sometimes hard to remember not everyone's screen is 1600 resolution with a 22" widescreen monitor like mine, lol. Ariel♥Gold06:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just because some High School articles don't get deleted via the deletion process, doesn't mean that they are all notable, and there is no policy or guideline saying that all high schools, or all private schools, are notable enough for an entry on Wikipedia. Also, see WP:INN, as having another article similar, doesn't always mean that all articles on the subject have enough context or content to justify an article. All your submission said was "Vincent Smith School is a private school located in Port Washington. It is for students in grades 5-12.", with no reliable sources, just a link to the school's website. That's not enough content, or context to justify an article, and doesn't explain why it is notable. Many other private school articles provide reliable sources to verify the school's notability. It would probably be better to add the school to the current article on New York's Port_Washington,_New_York#Schools, if there is no third-party coverage, as it would be difficult to make more than an article stub out of it. Ariel♥Gold19:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Email received?/EVA list Name
Just a quick note to see if you received my email regarding the EVA article and the "list of astronauts by name" article? Thanks for your time. Rocketmaniac (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yes I did get the email, thanks. I think we need to move your other list into mainspace soon, I don't see any issues outstanding with it, other than coming up with a name. As for that huge long list, I'm a bit concerned, there are several editors on the Space project who seem to really be attached to having flags, and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure what to do. WP:FLAG to me, at least, seems quite clear, that emphasizing nationality without a good reason isn't a good idea, but at least in the case of that list, especially the ESA astronauts, nationality seems something valid. The issue for me is, that list is so very long, and all those flags loading slows the page down considerably, and I don't think they are really necessary considering the vast majority of the astronauts listed are either NASA or RSA, and thus, nationality is either a given, or unimportant in the historical context. I think to change it outright would end up in a content dispute, and I would prefer not to see that happen. I'm thinking perhaps asking somewhere (I'm not completely sure where to ask yet) for uninvolved editors who were involved in developing the MOS to comment on flags in space article use, because I think a clear guideline should be made for all articles, not just one or two lists. But, as I said, I'm not sure where or who to ask yet, I'm still sort of thinking about it. Let's focus on getting your other list up, we need a good name! :o) Ariel♥Gold11:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As for a name, how about "Cumulative EVA Time" or "Cumulative EVA Record"? I mean that the whole purpose of the list, it lists the astronauts with the most cumulative time doing EVAs. Rocketmaniac (talk) 12:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but it would need to be a plural, "records", and need to be "List of". But then the question becomes, should it be spacewalk, rather than EVA? Which term is a more likely search term. Probably both, so we could create a redirect for the other. What about something as simple as List of cumulative spacewalk records? (Okay I guess that's not so simple, lol) Ariel♥Gold12:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I think that will work. Since there is already a List of spacewalks and moonwalks, we need (or should) be consistant and stay with "spacewalks" not EVA. This is exciting, my first real article!!. Well, you made my ugly table much much better. My mom who is teacher (she says she's not a professor) at Georgia Southern University will be happy to see this thing go live. Thanks for you help/guidance. Rocketmaniac (talk) 12:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, would you like me to move it into article space? We can always move it later if we think of a better name, but it would be good to get it live. Ariel♥Gold12:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, it's me. Got a juicy one for you. I'm cleaning up Policarpa Salavarrieta which has an NPOV tag on it, only I go to the talk page and there's nothing doing; all I find is this text in the history page: "(This still has an anti-Spanish and sympathetic bias. That isn't acceptable, regardless of how justified such a view is.)" Since the article is about a Revolutionary heroine this tag sounds more than a bit anti-NPOV in itself (on a par with telling a pig farmer he can't mention bacon). So after I finish CU, what's my next move to get it untagged? Thank you, {sleep well}, (my turn now to get some zzz's) Shir-El too (talk) 04:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC) PS: Bright copper kettles/ and warm woolen mittens... PPS IS THERE a musical comedy portal????[reply]
YAY! I always like getting notes from you! That's quite the article project there, lol. You can clean up the issues with the article, and remove the tags yourself, once you feel they no longer apply. Then just make a quick note on the talk page explaining that you've dealt with the issues, and removed the tags, that's all there is to it. Tags are there to help categorize pages for editors to fix issues with articles, according to what they are interested in, but once the issues are resolved, anyone can remove the tags. Considering the fact that whomever placed the tag in the first place, didn't make any kind of note on the talk page explaining their reasons, I would tend to agree that the tag seems a bit unwarranted, but I also admit I didn't read the article through. I trust your work, and you can take care of any possible POV issues, and once you've done that, and the cleanup, you can dump the tags. Let me know if you want me to look it over after your done, the layout and stuff could use some work, just cosmetic issues though, so not a huge deal. As for the portal, I think the closest may be the Musical Theatre portal. You can see the entire portal directory here. ~*Hugs*~ Ariel♥Gold10:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I'll try to live down your good opinion of me *~Cheshire Grin~*! Working too long on something makes it stale and me short sighted, so I learned to take a bite out of something, do as much as I can with it [image: terrier shaking hard], then give it a rest and start over later; which is why Eilat is "on vacation." I hope to nominate it for DYN after the next edit. I know Polycarpa is, to paraphrase, "the stuff legends are made of," so it needs extra care. Will follow-up and yes: when it's done I'd appreciate your take on it. BTW, may I interest you in an an apple kugel recipe? It is both the simplest and the only NO-FAIL recipe I know (tested it, I did) - or is that frowned upon here? Being an autodidact in cooking as well, it's my kind of Barnstar. See you soon, Shir-El too (talk) 03:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, Eilat would not be eligible for a DYK, because it isn't a newly created article, and hasn't been expanded five-fold. It would be nice, but DYK is mainly for brand new articles. You can share your recipe, but I'll be honest and say I don't cook, lol. I have a brand new stove, that I've had for 3 years, and it has never once been used, lol. I use my electric tea kettle, and a microwave to heat up my tea when it is cold, lol! But others may be interested, so hey! lol. I'm not even sure what a kugel is, to be frank, I don't think I've ever heard of it, sad, right? Ariel♥Gold08:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kugel et al
No sweat: once upon a time I didn't know what it was either, much less how to make one! Basically it's a pie without a crust, traditionally made with noodles or grated potatoes, white cheese and eggs, and it can be made sweet or salt. I keep trying to find bonbons to give you in lieu of "Thank yous". OK. "What do a woman and a tea bag have in common? You don't know how strong they are until you put them in hot water..." ZZZ time again. Bye! Shir-El too (talk) 08:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ariel, I'm just dropping you this note because I'm rather concerned about the way Dave has been behaving in relation to this article, which is in complete contrast to the way that you have been helping the editors to develop a good encyclopedic article. I was thinking of putting a friendly comment on his talk page reminding him about WP:BITE but I don't think he would take it the right way from me, because I get the feeling that he considers me to be an "enemy". I think there's a danger of discouraging a whole class of students from ever attempting to edit Wikipedia again.
Hi Phil, I think that at this point, since the AfD will most likely result in a Keep, for valid reasons, and although at first, I did not think it was a notable event, I guess I sort of like a challenge, and I was convinced by the teacher's explanations that the event was notable, so I set out to help him prove it, and to keep the article, after my initial reaction. I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong, and while I'm neither an inclusionist, or an exclusionist, if an article deserves to stay, I'm happy to help fix issues so that an AfD will result in a keep opinion. Now, all that being said, not everyone probably sees things this way, and I agree that there was a bit of a harsh tone in some of the replies by Mayalld. I considered perhaps mentioning something on the AfD, but didn't feel it was appropriate, and instead, I chose to set out to help the article, rather than to do nothing. My personal feeling is, that at this point, they both seem to have disengaged, which is a good thing, and I would rather leave a note of apology to the teacher's talk page, and let the other issue drop. Perhaps Mayalld was having a bad day, we can't know, but while I agree that it was a bit bite-y, I'm not sure at this point, if saying anything would be helpful. I'm going to drop a note on the teacher's page though, because I do feel it is important for me to apologize for the way their "first day" went. While I didn't nominate it for CSD or for AfD, I also didn't initially think it a keepable article, and while I went about it differently, I still feel I should apologize on behalf of everyone, for how the teacher, and his students' first day went. Hopefully they will not be put off by the experience. Of course, these are just my own personal opinions, Ariel♥Gold05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it could not have happened without you writing it! lol. I didn't want to tell you that I'd nominated it, in case it wasn't chosen, but I'm happy it was, and you deserve it. Good job! Ariel♥Gold05:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, is it that holiday already? I thought Thanksgiving was on a Thursday. Isn't it Monday? Or is it Tuesday ... I forget. So someone clue me in, when exactly is Thanksgiving? (Not that it matters to me, just curious lol) Ariel♥Gold06:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
JMLK!! Ohhhh I'm so jealous! Nothing here but wet cold, and more wet. Blah. Oh I miss home. Will you go outside, and look over at the mountains, and wave to them for me please? :) I always loved this time of year there, but here, it is just the opposite. No snow, nothing but wet cold weather. BLAH! I miss it. Enjoy it for me, okay? And if you go visit your family, please drive carefully! Mommy Ariel worries! Ariel♥Gold06:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Third Opinion
Hey Ariel, I need a third opinion on this edit about Sweet Caroline, you have a very good handle on things so I thought I would ask you. I believe this may be a BLP vio not mention the source is a POV blog,there is also a mention of Keith Olbermann opinion, the problem is, it is true about her age and the lyrics "The inspiration for the song came from a photograph of the then nine-year-old Kennedy the singer saw in a magazine while staying at a hotel in Memphis."[1] and it is true the lyrics to the song have parts such as "touchin' me/touchin' you" yet I think people are reading into it too much, I don't think the song was about him thinking of her through out the whole song but rather more about the song title as he was writing it, but that's just my opinion. what do you think?▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk07:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you were quite right in removing it. As you know, blogs, forums, etc, are not reliable sources, and the other ref was basically "I saw it on TV". That cannot be used as a reference. And the blog is probably not appropriate for an external link, either. This source should be cited, which I've done, and I agree that WP:BLP applies here. I've removed the paragraph again. However, let's also consider this in the big picture, this is just one song, out of an absolutely enormous body of work by Diamond, and I doubt that he had any strange intentions, but simply wrote it as a tribute, which I find sweet. Undue weight needs to not be given to the inspiration, or dissecting of his intentions, because a song may be "inspired" by someone, but does not equate to the singer intending every lyric be about the person, if you know what I mean. I left a note on the editor's talk page to explain why the entry has been removed by others, explaining NPOV, BLP, and RS. I hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold07:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well said, You said what I was trying to think to say, plus I liked the the way in which you wrote the editor who I believe was acting in good faith with the edits, I liked how you did so in a non-attacking way, bravo!, I feel like flooding your talk page with barnstars, again thank you!▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk07:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LOL The thought is enough, thank you for asking my opinion, and I'm happy to help if I can. I hope that this is all that is needed, but feel free to let me know if you need any further help. I did not add the page to my watchlist, so I'll let you keep an eye on it Ariel♥Gold07:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Policarpa Salavarietta: Cleanup and tag removal...
Have finished re-write and tag removals. BTW my 'signature' now includes a talk reference that wasn't there before. How do I get rid of it? Merci tout le journe...Shir-El too (talk) 08:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC) (see what I mean?)
OOPS! Happy Turkey Day![reply]
Excellently done on the Policarpa article, and yep, that (talk) is a new software feature, they put in last week. It is helpful, because for the most part, the talk page link is what editors use, so it was put in for those who don't have a custom signature as a way to provide the ease of communicating with each other. Pretty cool, huh? :) If you want to get rid of it, you'd need to make a custom signature (which I'd be happy to help you do) but personally, I like having the talk page link, because I'm lazy and it is one less click, I replied above, too! Ariel♥Gold08:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS Out of courtesy I notified the NPOV tagger; turns out he's a BTO editor who miraculously deleted only ONE {admittedly questionable} sentence from the re-write! [You know the definition of editors, don't you? They have to 'dump' on something or they're not happy! ;)? ;P Shir-El too (talk) 08:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That was nice of you to let them know :) I put the refs into templates, and did some other cosmetic work, but I think at least one English language reference should be found, for those of us who only remember enough Spanish to get around on vacation, lol. Otherwise, it looks great! Ariel♥Gold08:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
:)
I feel so blessed to have my RfA graced by ArielVerbosity! That was really sweet, but also, I know how much time and effort you put into these things (have you ever said "per nom"? ever? lol) and that you don't support without a heck of a lot of consideration and diffs digging. It means a lot to me to have your approval, hon! :) ~Eliz81(C)08:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I doubt I've ever said "per nom" to anything, AfD, RfA, etc, although at times, I may have said "As explained above", and reiterated what was said as my own opinion as well. I'm sure you were probably wondering where I was, this RfA is nearly at its end, but I generally wait, watch, and dig, a little bit every day, into the past of the candidates I offer opinions on, and this is probably why I tend to occasionally miss some RfAs that I intended to comment on, sadly, lol. And, my dear, it is I who is blessed, you are truly a valuable editor, and you will make an absolutely wonderful administrator, and I'm very, very proud of you, and blessed to call you a WikiFriend. I just hope that once you've got a mop in your hand, you'll still have time to let me bug you Ariel♥Gold08:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Feels the WikiLove I do truly have the warm fuzzies now! LOL GC... are we gonna have more rouge admins making RfAs for Ariel against her will? ;) ~Eliz81(C)08:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My post. It looks OK. But when I check 'diff', I see anomaly. I tested on my talk page. No anomaly. God know what is going on.sharara15:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]