Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 2

2 December 2007

Future Pilot

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Admin NawlinWiki speedily deleted article "Future Pilot" stating that assertion of significance was not valid. I beg to disagree. Because Future Pilot was a finalist at the New Mexico Music Awards, the premiere awards in the state of New Mexico, they have clearly met criteria #9 at WP:MUSIC: Has won or placed in a major music competition. If the New Mexico Music Awards is not a major music competition, then I suppose New Mexico itself is not a major state? That's what the Iowans and New Hampshirians would have us all believe anyway, right? My article has now been deleted twice... the first time for not asserting significance. The second time, it was deleted for the same reason, though I asserted significance. Should not my article have been subjected to a review? As I understand the Wikipedia rules, articles that at least assert significance merit review and are spared from speedy deletion. Dusty42682 03:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion (as speedy deleter). Here is a directly quoted section of the article:

Notoriety

Although Future Pilot is not well-known on the commercial scene, they have enjoyed a certain level of recognition and success on the social networking website MySpace. Their devoted fan following on MySpace is in great part due to the band's avid communication with their fans.

Songs

To date, the band has made public only four songs: "Ghost in my Dream," "Subhuman," "No One Escapes," and "Sinking Ship." However, their upcoming album is expected to contain at least eight and quite possibly nine tracks, though details on the remaining songs have been kept a closely-guarded secret.

Discography

At this time, Future Pilot has yet to release an album or single.

Enough said. NawlinWiki 03:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

NawlinWiki, you make a valid point when you say the band has not released an album or single. However, you are ignoring the fact that the band has PLACED IN A MAJOR MUSIC COMPETITION. I understand that you are trying to maintain the integrity of Wikipedia. You, and the previous admin who deleted the article the first time, have attained and do indeed deserve my utmost respect. However, you are ignoring the fact that I have MET criteria to keep this article alive, while citing the fact that I lack OTHER criteria, such as the fact that they have not released an album or single. Do you honestly believe that this has no encyclopedic value? Do you believe that their association with the website MySpace diminishes their import? The fact that the band has been recognized by a major music association in my opinion shows that they at least deserve some recognition. Thanks for your time, and for helping to make Wikipedia the wonderful resource that it is. Dusty42682 04:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, I could completely remove the parts of the article you cited in your previous post, yet the section of the article stating the band's significance would remain. Dusty42682 04:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Based on the assertion of notability via the New Mexico Music Awards, should probably restore and send to AfD. However I'm dubious as to whether it would pass: the examples given at WP:MUSIC for "major music awards" are all nationwide awards (Grammy, Juno, Mercury or Grammis awards are the examples given). A band that has been nominated for a statewide award, but does not meet any of the other notability criteria.. well, that's extremely borderline. --Stormie 06:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse deletion The New Mexico Music Awards yields no Ghits, no Gnews hits, no reliable sources to verify the existence, much less notability of these awards, and, by extension, this band. Nonnotable Myspace band that, at most, won a non-notable award. Keep deleted, and author should talk to WP:MUSIC to get some ideas about what needs to be included to assert notability. --Ssbohio 15:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Wow those guys really need to work on their search engine optimization - perhaps our feature article on the topic could help? :-) Anyway their website is at: www.newmexicomusicawards.com --Stormie 22:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
  • If you look closely, both of those search strings are set to only search Wikipedia. There actually are some Ghits when searching the full web, but I question whether there's enuf that "New Mexico Music Awards" could survive AfD, let alone a 'finalist' in the competition. Ravenna1961 01:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
• endorse I interpret "no significance" very liberally, but not as far as this--I see nothing which anyone could in good faith think significant. But maybe I'm wrong. DGG (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion - without reliable sources to stand up the award, and with no release, this is four square an A7. BlueValour 19:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion per others - also: "If the New Mexico Music Awards is not a major music competition, then I suppose New Mexico itself is not a major state?" is a logical fallacy. That's like me stating that the English county in which I live isn't important just because we don't have an article for the Cumbria Sheep Shearing Contest, our annual sheep shearing contest.