User talk:Anoshirawan

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List of image copyright tags

f you are not proud of your heritage, thenHey I saw the Latif Pedram picture you uploaded but it is not GFDL license and the Admins check it and they deleted it. Here are a list of different types of licesenses you can use. Click on one type then it will show you all the different lisences for that type. Then copy and paste the tag { { ________ } } and paste it onto the image's page. Here they are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#List_of_image_copyright_tags--Behnam 06:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

But I don't think there is any way we can use that picture. It is copyrighted with the BBC. But its ok, we already got a picture. --Behnam 06:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Khorasan TV

Hello. Please see if you can add anything to this new article I opened about Khorasan TV. --Behnam 17:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Also please see the Hamid Qaderi article and see if you can add anything there. Thanks. --Behnam 06:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Hamed Qaderi

Yeah sure, honestly I was actually just about to do that . --Behnam 07:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Articles

Sure. Simply click on the history tab, then find the version that you would like to undo to and then click on undo. And that is all. --Behnam 03:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

come on msn --Anoshirawan 03:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Greater Iran Template

Salam. I removed the Greater Iran Template from Afghanistan article. Several reasons: The template is designed for the history related articles, while the Afghanistan page is a general article about Afghanistan, only one of its sections is about the History. Secondly, the template should be added to those articles which are mentioned in the Template i.e. Ghaznavids, Timurids, and all other dynasties. So the template is strictly reserved to articles corresponding to the history of dynasties, rulers and governments in Greater Iran. It is far away to add it in the Afghanistan article. Thanks for not adding it again. Khuda Hafez -Ariana 12:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hotaki dynasty

You wrote: "Persian Cromwell was a Book written in Hotaki's court, their is no reason for you to remove this info."

The Persian Cromwell is a work of fiction. It is not a reliable source. See talk page. --Bejnar 23:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

• You asked for evidence that Hotaki was a Ghilzai. Read: Malleson, George Bruce (1879) "Chapter 7: The Ghilzai Rule" History of Afghanistan, from the Earliest Period to the Outbreak of the War of 1878 W.H. Allen & Co., London, OCLC 4219393, limited view at Google Books. --Bejnar 23:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

THis book was written in 1879 lol. Persian Cromwell is Historical Fiction and is the only english book writeen about him during his rule. I named couple of Persian also and you have no right to remove my info, I know for a fact you dont understand farsi so It would be better if you let ppl write articles who do know.

--Anoshirawan 00:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not fluent in Farsi (Persian language); however, I am a trained researcher. You may not understand that fiction, even historical fiction, is not a reliable source. Where did you list the Persian sources? I did not find them on the Hotaki dynasty talk page. --Bejnar 15:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Hotaki dynasty origin and ethnicity

The RFC on the origin and ethnicity of the founder of the Hotaki dynasty are being conducted on the Hotaki dynasty talk page, as that is where a lot of the discussion of this issue has appeared. --Bejnar 16:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

University of Balkh

Sallam. I think the correct name for University of Balkh is actually Balkh University. What do you think? --Behnam 20:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Its the same. But Balkh University is more common --Anoshirawan 21:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but would be the official name? --Behnam —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 19:39, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

For the university in Herat, in English it seems to be Herat University according to the official website http://heratuniversity.org/index.php/home.1242.html. --Behnam 03:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I opened an article for Herat University. -- Behnam 14:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistani singers category merge

There is a discussion to move the Afghanistani singers category to Afghan singers. Please go there and vote oppose and join the discusion there. Here is the link click here. --Behnam 20:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:History of Afghanistan

Please read the talk page for Template:History of Afghanistan, and undo your edit deleting Hotaki Dynasty. Otherwise, let me know why you are reverting without talk. --Bejnar 21:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Politicians of Afghanistan

You have recently recreated or reposted material at Category:Politicians of Afghanistan which previously was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not recreate this article without prior approval from an administrator or you may be blocked from editing. We ask that you respect what Wikipedia is not. If you disagree with the article's deletion, you may seek an independent deletion review. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 02:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

During the discussion as to whether this category should be deleted I sided with preservation. But User:After Midnight is correct. Those of us who disagree with the decision have other options than recreation as if the deletion discussion had not concluded with delete.

IIRC many of the participants objected to the name being inconsiten with the names of most other categories. So, they would not have objected to Category:Afghanistani politicians, because it was consistent with the hundreds of other categories that were focussed around someone's nationality. Conforming with that convention would erode a lot of the criticisms against Category:Politicians of Afghanistan. Maybe I am overlooking something obvious? The other guy was saying that "Afghan" implied Pashtun. So, could politicians who were from the Pashtun ethnic group also be included in Category:Afghanistani politicians?

There is a forum for discussing categories, prior to creating them. Maybe User:After Midnight can give you advice about where that forum is? Maybe they can give you advice about how to phrase your proposal? I think you will find that if you can get the regular participants in that forum on your side your category will survive a nomination for deletion.

I based my support for Afghanistani over Afghan or Afghani because I trusted a guy who had personal knowledge of the naming conventions of the region. I don't have personal knowledge of the region. But if you or the other fellow initiate the discussion in the forum I would be happy to voice my support.

I am going to leave User:After Midnight a link to my comment.

Cheers! Geo Swan 02:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I dont know Why this category is getting deleted. Its a fact that Afghan is synonymous with Pashtun. There were alot of arguments over the term "Afghanistani" but Politicians of Afghanistan is much better than both of them. Politicians of Afghanistan not only includes ethnic Afghans but other ethnicities also so I hope you can change it back to Politicians of Afghanistan. --Anoshirawan 03:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't change it back. I am not an administrator. And I would get the same admonishment you got if I tried. And I can't make the initial argument on the forum where people discuss the names of categories, prior to creating them, because, unlike you, I don't have personal knowledge that Afghan==Pashtun.

I think there are two main objections to Category:Politicians of Afghanistan -- IMO they are not really meaningful objections -- but we have to get along with the majority:

1. Systemic bias -- English speakers who can't image that conventional usages in English could be wrong, or deceptive.
2. A misplaced aesthetic sense. Almost all the other categories that focus on people from a particular nationality, or ethnic group, have the nationality first. In general, if the category is for people from nation Foo, who are all of occupation Bar are named, Category:'''Foo'''-istani '''Bar'''. You and the other guy wanted Category:'''Bar''' of '''Foo'''-istan. This offends their esthetic sense. This should be easy to address. If the Foo part should be Afghanistani not Afghan, just use Category:Afghanistani politicians -- and half the objections evaporate.

Cheers! Geo Swan 21:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, if you feel that my decision was incorrect, please do start a deletion review. All of the instructions that you need should be located at this link: WP:DRV. I really do not mind my decision being questioned and encourage you to do so if you truly feel that you are right. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 02:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

please explain more fully...

Could you please consider using edit summaries when you make edits? You made dozens of edits to articles on my watchlist. If you use edit summaries then other wikipedians can trust they know what is going on with your edits, without checking them out, one at a time. Thanks in advance!

Cheers! Geo Swan 02:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks for telling me. --Anoshirawan 03:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

82.83.137.200

Sallam. Please do not revert edits by that IP address. Thanks. -- Behnam 17:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:History of Iran

Do you believe that pre-Aryan history is appropriate for the History of Iran template and for the History of Greater Iran template? Should they include the Median Empire and the Achaemenid Empire? --Bejnar 19:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Greater Iran is a Region and it was known as Iran even before the achaemanids but Afghanistan is a new concept which never existed efore the 19th century. the Hotakis had more impact on modern iran than modern day Afghanistan.--Anoshirawan 01:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

So, is this statement incorrect: "Notwithstanding this inscriptional use of ērān to refer to the Iranian peoples, the use of ērān to refer to the empire is also attested by the early Sassanid period." ? --Bejnar 16:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I study history of the region, there was no country called Iran before 1935. Today's nation of Iran was called Persia before 1935. Regarding Afghanistan, the name translates to "Land of the Afghans", which means the area was recognized as Afghanistan thru-out history. This is why we use Afghanistan for the entire history of that nation, not just from the 19th century but includes early history. "Land of the Afghans" is something you must always consider when looking at the word Afghanistan.--J.Hufza 11 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.Hufza (talk • contribs)

and i belive you are a lier since you don´t know nothing about Iran. Persia was the term europeans and the north-africans used it for the Aryan country. You are either NisarKand or Pashtun65 who also claimed to have studied history. The people self called themself Eironi, Erani. Ossets still call themself Ironis. --Aspandyar Agha 16:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe you have zero knowledge about Iran and Afghanistan. Iran is a historical name and it was introduced to the west in 1935. Before 1935 the western world used Persia while the natives always used Iran or Eran. Afghanistan was first used by Persians. They referred the Salaiman Mountains and the Peshawar valley as Afghanistan while modern day Afghanistan was known as "Khorasan". in the 19th century the British used this term for Khorasan while the Kings and Amirs still used Khorasan and not Afghanistan. The first time the government recognised this country as Afghanistan was in 1924.

Iran has been used althroughout History and you can find this term in Persian literature aswell.Anoshirawan 01:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Punctuation

Please put one space after each period and comma. Thanks. -- Behnam 02:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

ok :)

--Anoshirawan 02:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Tajiks article

Please keep an eye on the Tajiks article as there has been a lot of bad edits on it. Thanks. -- Behnam 00:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to [[Template:Highssp]] for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page.Template:Do not delete Raoulduke47 12:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Template: History of Afghanistan

Please do not remove the Hotaki dynasty from the Template:History of Afghanistan without providing a good reason on its talk page. That Afghanistan was not a country until recently is not a good reason, see the talk page of that template as well as the History of Afghanistan article and its talk page. That there were other rulers of the area after the Hotaki dynasty is not a good reason, see same as above. A good reason would be that the Hotaki dynasty ruled only in southern India and not in the area we now know as Afghanistan; however that just is not true. --Bejnar 23:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Zahir Shah

Please get some sources describing Zahir Shah's fascism and oppression of most of the people of Afghanistan. These guys think we are just making this up. Provide books, articles, etc. -- Behnam 21:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

hon203

Ok, thanks. -- Behnam 21:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. -- Behnam 21:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Dari (Afghanistan)

You provided a citation and a link to Prof. Daryush Ashori's article on Farsi and Dari in the Dari (Afghanistan) article, but the link doesn't work. Do you have information on where it was published? --Bejnar 23:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Behrooz requesting help

Hi! I saw you were a member of WikiProject Iran, so I thought you might be able to help. A merge between the articles on the Persian names "Behrooz" and "Behrouz" has been proposed, but so far the merge has not been discussed. As I'm not very familiar with Persian names, I thought I'd try to find someone who was, to comment on the proposed merge. Thanks!Lex Kitten 12:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Persian language

You wrote on 25 October 2007 in an edit summary: "Whats Eastern and Western Persian lol..... In Afghanistan we have numerous dialects and most dialects spoken in the western parts of the country arte closer to the iranian dialects." Eastern Farsi and Western Farsi are the terms that linguists, not necessarily native speakers, have determined analytically appropriately describe the major languages that cover the range of Persian dialects between Teheran and Kabul. See, for example, Decker, Kendall D. (1992) "Languages of Chitral" Sociolinguistic Survey of Northern Pakistan, 5 National Institute of Pakistan Studies, Quaid-i-Azam University and Summer Institute of Linguistics, Islamabad, xxii, 257 p. In addition there are eight (8) other Persian languages that are currently spoken, some only by isolated elements removed from the Tajikistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-Iran corridor. The Persian language sub-group is divided by linguists into the following languages:

• Aimaq (sometimes called Barbari or Berberi)
• Bukharic
• Darwazi (also called Badakhshani)
• Dehwari
• Dzhidi
• Farsi, Eastern
• Farsi, Western
• Hazaragi
• Pahlavani
• Tajiki

Each of these has in addition a number of dialects that have been recognized. Just for example, Aimaq has had the following dialects identified: Taimuri (Teimuri, Timuri or Taimouri), Taimani, Zohri (Zuri), Jamshidi (Jamshedi, Djamchidi, Yemchidi or Dzhemshid), Firozkohi, Maliki, Mizmast, Chinghizi, and Zainal. Please do your research before using terms like lol. --Bejnar 18:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity in the lead paragraph

I noticed that you inserted the ethnicity of Akram Assem into the lead paragraph of his article. The Manual of Style says: "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." This is especially true when the ethnicity of the biographee is in dispute. --Bejnar 04:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No edit wars, please (pasted from Dari (Afghanistan))

Reverted the article right now to Bejnar's better founded argumentation. During the last month, Anoshirawan and Bejnar had an edit war on the question wether Dari was just a dialect or a language. They had countless reverts from this here to that one (and maybe even earlier, but I didn't have the nerve to check). Apart from this question being linguistically problematic, please try to avoid edit wars - if not, admins may start to block you. Makes you appear less trustworthy as Wiki-contributors in the long run. Take a deep breath plus a look at WP:EDITWAR, WP:3R and dialect, and try to find a compromise formula. Thanks! -- Kavaiyan <°)))o>< 00:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

There he goes: Anoshirawan continues his edit war. -- Kavaiyan <°)))o>< 05:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't you think you should rather get into discussing with Bejnar (who seems quite constructive about this), instead of risking your Wikipedia status by acting in this irresponsible manner? -- Kavaiyan <°)))o>< 05:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

If you really believe in this edit [1] then you should located a reliable source to use as a citation, then possibly explain that there is a controversy. Miesbu 16:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

RFC History of Afghanistan template

There is an RFC on the Template:History of Afghanistan about whether the template should include the Hotaki dynasty. See template talk. --Bejnar 23:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hotaki dynasty

In replacing the History of Afghanistan template on the Hotaki dynasty article with the History of Greater Iran template you said "we will let it stay this way for now". I have already indicated on the talk page why this change that you have just made is not appropriate. The History of Afghanistan template is the more specific template. Please change it back to the more specific History of Afghanistan template, and cease changing it. --Bejnar 23:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Please also see my comment above of 23:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC) --Bejnar 00:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Atta Mohammad

Dorood. Please take a look at this article on Ustad Atta Mohammad. -- Behnam 10:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

He's full name is actually Atta Mohammed Noor right? -- Behnam 00:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

yes,Ustad Atta Muhammad Noor--Anoshirawan 01:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Turko/Mongol dynasties

Sallam sallam. Can you please keep an eye on the following articles? : Timur, Timurid dynasty, Great Seljuq Empire. Thanks. -- Behnam (talk) 02:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Please also watch this one: Turko-Persian tradition. Much appreciated. -- Behnam (talk) 09:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

• Please do not revert blindly. The second paragraph is not related with Turko-Persian tradition but is related with Arabic-Persian. If you check the cited references, you see that both are irrelevent either. You're harming the project, since you came to the page with the spam message above and reverted just beacuse Beh-nam invited you there. Please, try to be neutral and constructive. If you want to discuss, you're always welcome. Regards. E104421 (talk) 18:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan provinces and cities

Dorood. Please keep a watch on all the provinces and their capital cities in Afghanistan. here's the list. There's a lot of vandalism on them. Thanks.

Also please districts. -- Behnam (talk) 14:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahmad Shah Abdali's relationship with Nadir Shah

Please write about their relationship and use a reference to support it. I think Tarikh Ahmad Shahi might have some information on that, can you find the page number? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.211.223 (talk) 01:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Warning!

Please try not to keep reverting edits of others or you will be blocked. You have changed the correct number of ethnic make-up to a false one in many articles I came across. I will report you and you will be blocked for a long time if you continue with vandalising articles in that way.--Hurooz (talk) 12:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

This is another sockpuppet of user: NisarKand. Don't worry about him, it's quite funny that a user who has been banned with dozens of sockpuppets is now threating others. -- Behnam (talk) 14:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

No consensus

You moved "Dari (Afghanistan)" to "Dari (Persian)" while the issue was under discussion on the talk page. You know better. Your action was disingenuous. --Bejnar (talk) 01:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Anoshirawan. Your name has been mentioned in a discussion at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. You are welcome to join the discussion and add your own comment. EdJohnston (talk) 03:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism warning

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Murghab District, you will be blocked from editing. At 08:28, 25 November 2007, you made this edit which switched the names of the two ethnic groups Pashtuns and Tajiks, with the result that what formerly read "approximately 85% Pashtuns" then read "approximately 85% Tajik". The original ethnic figures were taken from the United Nation's High Commissioner for Refugees' District Profile which had been cited as a reference. This edit of yours was blatant vandalism. Don't do it again. --Bejnar (talk) 23:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

• In looking at some of the other Districts of Afghanistan ethnic figures, I see that you changed the figures on the Khaki Jabbar District article three times away from the cited UN HCR profile report. You changed them on 26 July 2007, again on 15 October 2007, and finally on 25 November 2007. First, when a source for figures is provided, please read it, especially when it is an electronic source readily available. Second, if you disagree with cited figures, find a reliable source to cite and present on the talk page your argument as to why your figures are better. Do not just change figures because you think they are wrong. How many of the ethnic figures in these Afghanistan districts have you changed? Do I need to look at all 327 of them, or will you clean up your own mess? --Bejnar (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

For example, I notice that the incorrect figures for Khaki Jabbar District have made their way into the Kabul Province#Demographics section. Will you clean that up, or shall I? --Bejnar (talk) 04:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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NisarKand and Khampalak

NisarKand came back with several sockpuppets. I've learned how to use checkuser and reported them all and he has been banned again. Interestingly, other admins discovered the Khampalak also came back with a few sockpuppets and he has also been banned for good. see here. If you how see any new users suddenly show up with their same views, then now we can do a checkuser since I know how to do it now and it works very well. -- Behnam (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Derogatory term

In regard to your recent edit to Dari (Persian), it has come to my attention that Gabri is a derogatory, non-scholarly, term for the Zoroastrian languages in Iran. So it is better not to use it. Gabri is also an eastern Chadic language spoken in Chad. Obviously that is not the language that you were referring to when you edited the Dari article on 29 November 2007. --Bejnar (talk) 18:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

edit summaries

please use edit summaries sometimes. for example if you are reverting vandalism, just type in rvv. thanks.

Why?

I don't know why you are very much interested to add the tag sockpuppet|NisarKand on my user page? Who is this NasirKhan that you stamp everyone with? Kabulzamin 14:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistani

Hey, why are you changing the word "Afghan" to "Afghanistani" in the wikipedia articles? It is incorrect to say "Afghanistani" in english. A5678 (talk) 03:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)