Talk:MacOS

x86

Legaly speaking Mac OS X does not support x86 architecture. It can be hacked and modified to the point where it will support x86. So I will be removing x86 from supported architecture. If you believe I am wrong please respond here. 16:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Mac OS X legally supports the x86 architecture, as thats what modern Apple computers use. Josh (talk | contribs) 16:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes - "legally supports the x86 architecture" doesn't necessarily imply "legally supports all machines that have x86 processors in them" or even "legally supports all IBM PC compatible machines. Guy Harris 19:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The modern Apple computers use x64 architechture which is what the newest release of Mac is made for, but anyways it does support x86 which is found on the older Mac computers. Utkarsh Rastogi (talk) 10:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The newest release of Mac OS X is "made for" 32-bit and 64-bit PowerPC, 32-bit IA-32, and 64-bit x86-64 - Mac OS X v10.5 supports Macintoshes built with processors using all of those processor architectures. Guy Harris (talk) 20:28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Who cares about the IPA

This is the kind of thing that makes wikipedia retarded! Anyone with half a wit can pronounce mac os x. I mean, come on!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.106.149.33 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

You say that now, but after about 100 back-and-forth edits on it, you'll be glad the consensus led to the IPA version! MFNickster 19:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but can they pronounce it correctly? Is it the letter X or the Roman numeral 10? (Officially, it’s 10.) Is it oh ess or oss? (The answer should be obvious to anyone with half a wit.) —Frungi 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty apathetic myself, though it does grate on my ears to hear people say "oh ess ex." It is useful information, but I never thought it was important enough to be in the intro. It was enough to have it in the 'Naming' section (which has since been removed) . MFNickster 18:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I always used to think it was "Oh Ess Ex", and I thought it was interesting when the article said, "tɛn". Althepal 23:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, I can't help but wonder where you picked that up. To my knowledge, Steve Jobs and all other Apple employees have always said "tɛn", as an example here is the initial product announcement: [1] MFNickster 04:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I picked it up by reading. It is written with an "X", not the number 10. Why do I need to listen to Steve Jobs talk before I know how to pronounce it? And it is common to say "X"; I know I've heard that a lot, and then Apple people always complain about it (whatever). I still think it is important because of this. Althepal (talk) 05:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It didn't occur to you that you can read 'X' as a Roman numeral 10? Surely you don't pronounce 'Super Bowl IX" as 'Super Bowl icks'? MFNickster (talk) 07:39, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, it's an honest, common mistake. I'm a new Mac user, from Windows XP, pronounced "X" "P", not 10-P. Of course it occurred to me it could be roman numeral, but it just seemed so much more natural to read it "O S X". Althepal (talk) 18:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No worries, I'm just trying to understand why it seems more 'natural' to some people that way. Some of them get very defensive when they're corrected on it, as we can see from previous edits to the article! MFNickster (talk) 20:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems more natural because it seems cooler, it is uniquely spelled with a letter (unlike previous versions), and it also makes it seem more separate from Mac OS Classic. (It is like a seperate group, that's why people say OS X 10.5, not OS 10.5. And I don't think people naturally go around reading "Mac OS ten ten point five", you know?) When I read "O S ten" to myself, I always fell like I'm correcting myself, but when I read it "O S X", I feel like I'm talking about a cool OS. "X" is a commonly used letter for tech products to make them seem high-tech, you know. Anyway, it's not like it hurts to have the pronunciation in there. = Althepal (talk) 21:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Grow up, 219.106.149.33. Apparently it's fitting that you couldn't care less about an integral system of the English language, since your grammar resembles that of a 5th-grader's.

Just saying. 68.60.122.20 23:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Uh, what exactly is wrong with his grammar? All I see is syntactically correct English. You probably were talking about his choice of words, which is still acceptable. P.S. Don't be a douchebag.--66.102.196.46 (talk) 04:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to be sure that this subject is over... I asume that is it very clearly that we say "Maek Oh Ess Ten", since the "X" is being read as a Roman numeral 10 instead of an alphabetical letter. And "OS" is short for Operating System, and since the pronunciation of a Abbreviation is usualy letter by letter, we say Oh Ess(əʊ ɛs)

User:TijhofGraphics/Sig 21:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've avoided this for a while, but I think it's true people say X over 10. An example from pop culture would be Kylie Minogue's latest CD, which is titled "X". It happens to be her tenth studio album. It's not said Kylie 10, but Kylie X. Bad example? Maybe, lol. Anyhow, yes, technically roman numeral X is said 10, but no matter how hard I try, personally, I say "Mac OS X", not Mac OS X 10, especially considering that the individual versions themselves as presented in this article and their own articles are formatted as Mac OS X 10.1, etc. Thus, why would someone say Mac OS (10) (10.1)? A lot of ten's. I guess it's possible people get it right and actually say this, but I personally can't. I do try though. Anyhow these are just my thoughts. I honestly don't care either way since I know technically I'm wrong, LOL. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Something important is missing

There is no market share data or graphical representation for all these operating system pages Something of this sort would, at least i think, greatly benefit any OS page

Note: the idea is to use general estimates as figures change quickly— Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.226.41 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The part 4 of the page named "Prominent features" is outdated, starting from yesterday, 26.10.2007, as new release of Mac OS X has emerged. This part(part 4) contains only "expected" features, while someone may already to point out what features are eventually exist in the current(latest) release.Thanx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.146.65 (talk) 23:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Finder Criticism

The same arguments were presented on this article and on the Macintosh Finder article. Thus I've moved the information to the latter article so that the same information isn't presented in two places. Further it assists in the overall goal to integrate the criticism into the main article or into their appropriate places. Cheers. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :) Dravick 02:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Criticisms

Can someone tell me why there is a 'criticisms' section for each Apple product like macintosh and macosx but no 'criticisms' section for windows, linux, etc ...

So 1) you put the criticisms section for all of them (linux and windows are far from perfect products) or 2) you remove criticisms section from Apple products to be fair (and neutral as the wikipedia claims ...)

Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.42.56.43 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Criticism of Microsoft Windows, Criticism of Linux (that one used to exist). Dravick 23:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The last one doesn't link to any linux criticism, only to the linux article. Funny to see the 'neutrality' of the wikipedia. —from unsigned comment added by 195.42.56.43 (talk) 13:56, 01 October 2007 (UTC)

Look at the history of the redirect page, it used to be a complete criticism article. Dravick 02:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, a "Criticisms" section for some OSes -- and not others -- is unfair and non-neutral. Although I agree Wikipedia is currently flawed, fortunately you and I have the power to make it better. I recommend option (2) -- there should be no "Criticism of Mac OS X" article or section (although the article should mention notable critics and criticisms in other sections), and the same should be true for every OS. Option (2) seems to harmonize best with official policy, guidelines, and widely-agreed-with essays: Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Article_structure, Wikipedia:Words_to_avoid#Article_structures_that_can_imply_a_point_of_view, Template:Criticism-section, and Wikipedia:Criticism. --70.130.44.41 18:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

There should be, in Criticisms, a reference to the many who have received the Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) after attempting to install Leopard. --Repeal 16-17 01:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It is mentioned, on the Leopard page. There's no reason it should be here. V-train 03:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dock criticism section should add that the dock SUPPORTS thumbnails for windows when minimized, but not all applications use this. --DoubleFelix

Spelling error altered

I've replaced "messenging" with "messaging" in the Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) section. --Spobbs 13:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Please excuse me for not initially placing my edit under old text. --Spobbs 13:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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new iPods

Apple has said that the new iPods released along side the iPod Touch also have a modified version of OS X loaded on them. I thought the page should reflect that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.254.50 (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Mac OS X 10.4 Intel as a separate release?

In the image of the separate Mac OS X boxes, shouldn't there be a separate Mac OS X 10.4 Intel box? It makes sense to show how they are technically two different operating systems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.13.2 (talk) 00:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a retail release of Tiger for Intel. It only ships pre-installed on Macs, doesn't it? MFNickster 00:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

True, but there are, technically speaking, Mac OS X Tiger Intel install discs. Besides, the purpose of such a change is more to chronicle the timeline of Mac OS X rather than actual retail availability.--70.108.13.2 02:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there are separate install discs, but I don't agree that they are "two different operating systems." They're more like 2 forks of the same operating system. MFNickster 03:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Leopard

Could someone please change the screen shot of tiger at the top of the article to a leopard one as it is now the 26th of October. Also could someone update the "X" to the one from leopard and state that the latest release is is leopard. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.23.150 (talk) 21:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Is wikipedia a subsidiary of Microsoft?!

Honestly, I can't believe this. In the Criticism section, there are lots of lies about the Dock, and the text is cleary written without neutrality in mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.11.218.123 (talk) 23:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If there are lies, find them and delete them. Of course be able to show why they are lies and refute any sources given to support their argument that you do not agree with. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Pricing idea

It would be wise for a separate article to be created simply about OS X pricing. It should be a table showing the prices in all the currencies that it's sold in and of course the family packs and also the server version pricing. It would unclutter this and every single OS X article as there could simoly be a section titled "pricing" with a link to See article: Mac OS X pricing. It sounds quite reasonable and I may work on it myself. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason to have pricing in the article at all? WP:DIRECTORY #4 would suggest that the pricing section should be deleted. —Jeremy (talk) 23:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Before this small table was created each and every OS X article (Tiger and Leopard especially) were inundated with unsourced and indiscriminate placing of pricing in the articles making them unreadable. Having this accurate and sourced table in one central location alleviates these editing issues in the former two articles. The guideline you mentioned speaks generally of unsourced information and street prices, neither of which apply in this table. For the reasons listed I believe the table to be justified as it not only is relevant to this article, but also to other OS X articles. Guidelines are to be construed individually, except of course hardcore restrictions such as copyright infringement. I rather not go back to reverting on a daily basis unsourced and badly placed pricing information in the individual articles. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 09:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Just read through the pricing table. The use of currency symbols, decimal place and thousand markers are inconsistent. This is an English-language article and so why shouldn't we denote these as they are commonly understood in English (i.e. comma for thousand, period/point for decimal place and possibly currency symbols at the start of the value)? --Rdiggle (talk) 14:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Error in Box images

I can count six names of versions of os's, but there are only five boxes. can someone fix this? Pokoleo 02:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

No error - the first two versions, "Cheetah" and "Puma," had the same box style. MFNickster 03:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)