User talk:Elonka

Pauline

I've responded at the FAC. Thanks for the heads-up and sorry I neglected it so long. --Dweller 12:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

In this case, they should both be "is". Her actions will always be present because you can always go back and view them. If I watch a movie and Batman saves the day, he will continue to save the day for as many times as I watch the movie. Only if they destroyed every copy of the movie, so that I could never view it again, would I change it to past tense when recounting that he saves the day in the movie. Does that make sense? If you're talking about the fictional character's actions in the show, it should be present tense because those actions will happen in the present when viewing that episode again. Even soaps have reruns from time to time. I understand the confusing about writing this way with soaps, since they typically function on a "real time", day-to-day basis, but the episodes are not lost to time. If you are talking about Richards, then you can put that in past tense-if it's meant to be. Like, you wouldn't say "Richards is cast as Pauline in 1967", but "Richards was cast..."  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I did. The rule of thumb is, if it takes place in the realm of fiction then it should be present tense. The reason being because fiction can be viewed repeatedly, at different times, but the actions taking place within that work of fiction will always take place at the same time. I believe the only time you would talk about something in the past tense would be if it took place in the paste tense in the work of fiction. Like, you could state that Pauline's parents were killed when she was young, if that was never seen on the show, but mentioned in past tense.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Only because I haven't had a chance to finish it. I'm busy with school--which I'm leaving for right now. I'll try and sit down tonight and read the whole thing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I know, I know, I'm behind with the review. My apologies. I have a lot of projects, both Wiki and real life, going on so it's kind of slipped on the back burner.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Dailliez notability

I would hope that you agree with my assessment- PHG really has proven that he is notable, and I have no doubt that most people would agree. If you don't wish to take it to AfD or further, then I'm going to remove the tag to be fair. Thanks! Monsieurdl 14:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to make sure you knew that I was staying out of the other part of the disagreement, and I didn't feel it would be appropriate to remove the tag unless I asked you first. Glad to see this ended well- Thanks! (reposted from my talk page) Monsieurdl 14:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Old Cairo

Hi Elonka, awhile back we talked about Old Cairo photos. I didn't have any at the time, but I found a wonderful book of engravings published in 1882 that has a tremendous amount of material relevant to this area. There are literally hundreds of engravings in the book; some of them are truly masterpieces of the art. I had a shot at photographing a couple with my new camera; here is a sample. Some of them are easier to shoot than others, due to the degree of moire interference, but with the right processing and such I might be able to get them all to work. Let me know if you have any specific requests about certain monuments, locations, themes, etc; I'm planning on going through the book and doing some of the more interesting ones. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 06:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Franco-Mongol alliance

Hi Elonka. Nice to see you back after a 10 days absence... I am afraid you are not really in a position to ask others to "put more energy into participating at mediation" since you haven't contributed anything for the last two weeks. Stop harassing other users who just enjoy contributing more (perfectly referenced) material to Wikipedia. PHG (talk) 17:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Just because we have a mediation going on (to which you have not even responded for two weeks) does not mean that I shouldn't contribute to Wikipedia. I am afraid you have demonstrated that you have zero tolerance for views differing from your own. PHG (talk) 17:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Jean-Paul Roux

It didn't take me long to find that he is indeed a distinguished member of the academic community in France. I would not dare question his standing based upon just what I have found in the past 5 minutes- his record in France is impeccable. Monsieurdl (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Moneybomb OR or AfD?

You tagged Moneybomb as possible OR. It has references, but couldn't it still qualify for article deletion? Wryspy (talk) 01:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

We don't want to kill the article, just make it conform to Wikipedia standards (which means no OR).--Orange Mike | Talk 02:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the more spam that gets added to it, the more inclined that I am to want to delete it. I'm willing to give the talkpage a bit more effort, but good faith is wearing thin, and it's really looking like the article is being padded in preparation for another fundraising effort. I think we need to be alert to the possibility that there may be some bad faith stalling going on. --Elonka 05:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I think there is bad faith somewhere, and this template summarizes later developments exactly right, even though you already know about 3RR:

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors.

John J. Bulten 15:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

John, I realize that you're a relatively new editor, but please, throwing every warning that you can think of at me, isn't helping matters. For future reference: A 3RR warning is for cases where editors are repeatedly reverting each other to a specific wording of an article, and reverting in a rapid fashion, multiple times per day. In our case, there's no 3RR, since you haven't edited the article in days. If you disagree with my edits at Moneybomb, I would encourage you to actually participate in the editing of the page, in what's called a WP:BRD cycle: I make a change, you make a change based on my change, I make a change based on your change, and we work together in good faith, to try and come up with a version that's agreeable to both of us. That's the wiki-way.  :) If you would like to continue editing the article, please do, but I again strongly urge you to stick only with information from reliable sources. If you add more information from unreliable sources (such as Ron Paul promotion sites), I will again have to consider removing that information, per one of Wikipedia's core policies, that of Verifiability: "Any edit lacking a reliable source may be removed." But as long as you stick with only adding information from reliable sources, and you present it in a neutral fashion that accurately represents the sources, and isn't giving undue weight or violating original research, I'm really not going to have a problem with it.  :) --Elonka 16:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Louis IX

Why did you replace the 14century accurate images with a less accurate 16th century depiction? Michael Sanders 17:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

They are high quality, though, and of better value to the reader. Michael Sanders 17:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter December 2007

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter Decemberr 2007
--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 22:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Byzantine-Ottoman Wars

Thanks alot for your contributions here, you tackled a very tedious problem. Just wanted to say thank you lol. Tourskin 08:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I do not read Persian. Sorry!! Tourskin 19:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your comments on Talk:StankDawg

Elonka, some day you are going to get nominated for RfA again. As a friendly gesture, based on watching the past 2 months worth of RfAs and reading the backlog of failed ones, I'd like to point out that you may not want to leave around artifacts of:

• Inventing new definitions of WP:COI tuned to particular content disputes, particularly when that definition accuses someone you disagree with of having a conflict.

• Once again unilaterally defining exceptions to WP:BLP, again tuned to a particular content dispute, that allows for unsourced negative or controversial comments about a living person to be fact-tagged instead of struck, contrary to the plain wording of the guideline.

• Once again accusing people who disagree with you in content disputes of being uncivil, this time citing adherence to BLP as a sign of incivility.

There is no reason you and I shouldn't get along fine. Please take a moment and check my contribs and my user page. I'm not going anywhere, and I'm wearing my intentions on my sleeve. My issue with DDP/StankDawg/BinRev/Strom/BRMag/etc is not personal: there are too many crappy vanity pages on WP, particularly in security, and I am going to work on cleaning them up.

--- tqbf 18:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

No, that's not what I said.[1] Let me reassure you, for the record, that I completely agree that unsourced negative information should be immediately removed from BLPs. But for non-contentious information, where there is no reasonable concern that the information is incorrect, I do think it is reasonable to add a {{fact}} tag rather than immediately deleting. Also, I stand by my assertion that immediately deleting newly-added information as "unsourced", can be construed as uncivil (and possibly also a violation of WP:BITE and WP:OWN). --Elonka 18:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you want to be clear, for the record, that WP:BLP trumps WP:BITE, and you want to be clear that enforcing WP:BLP is not uncivil, because someone who didn't like you could easily draw that conclusion from your comments and beat you over the head with it later on. I, in fact, do like you, although I find you frustrating to work against.

I take your meaning regarding WP:BITE. Bad Monk3y isn't new; he's a 5-month-old SPA and, I believe, a friend of the subject's. However, I buy the goal of the project, that we want to convert SPAs to productive editors, and not drive them away with wikilawyering. I'll do my best to be friendly to him, and thank you for the advice. --- tqbf 18:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool, we're back on the same page.  :) --Elonka 18:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Frank Lasee

Maybe you should disclose your reasons for bias before trying to control his article. --SwimmingHole 23:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no bias for or against Frank Lasee, I merely helped out there (3 weeks ago, I think) as an uninvolved editor. Please be aware that Wikipedia has very strict policies about negative information in biographies of living people. See WP:BLP. If you wish to add information to the biography, all you have to do is ensure that it is connected to a reliable source, and you shouldn't have any problem. --Elonka 23:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Third

(on bended knee and with bowed head) Thank you, I accept. --Elonka 00:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

You are very welcome. :) Acalamari 02:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Yay!!! ;) - Alison ^❤ 02:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's a new refresh button, you'll need it!, Good luck on your RFA! SQL^{Query me!} 10:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Frustration

There are a lot of days when I see people be subjected to the most unpleasant comments by others and it galls me. I swear I never want to run for anything again- to me, it means having to deal with community members that act like jerks and violate WP:CIVIL and get away with it. I'm remaining just an editor and be as neutral as possible as always in disputes- just the facts. :) Good luck to you in your election and if you ever need help with any RfC's and such, don't hesitate to ask me. Monsieurdl (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

your comment

Hi, thanks; I've gradually improved the two exercises that are there now—OMG, it's so much work doing all of that formatting and colour. Not telling anyone until more is done. On date-linking, well ... um ... I have big problems with the autoformatting system (see MOSNUM talk and archives for fulsome discussion, plus thus-far failed Bugzilla request for technical reform (depsite 85 signatories):

http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582#c17

Until it's fixed, I'm discouraging people from using it; would rather put up with foreign formatting where it occurs, just as for spelling.

As for Pauline Fowler, well, I suppose I'll withdraw my Oppose, although I'm not fully convinced about the referencing. Tony (talk) 15:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Congratulations -- you're well on your way to blow through WP:100. I hope I'm not being premature but I think the only question may be whether you hit 150 or 200. Good luck, --A. B. ^(talk) 21:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Seriously...it's creeping up on 100 in just a few hours. Impressive. It seems that a lot of people have been waiting for this. LaMenta3 (talk) 22:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Byblos

Hi Elonka, for how long are you planning to keep the merge proposal in Byblos article? it's been there for almost 2 months now!! BlingBling10 (talk) 05:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Rafael E. López-Corvo‎

Thanks for restoring the cleanup tags to the Rafael E. López-Corvo‎ article. Maybe its primary editor will take the hint when more than one person has posted the tags. Doczilla (talk) 07:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Good grief. I remember seeing something about the Franco-Mongol dispute months ago, even though I have no idea why I recall that or what the context was in which I saw it. "Franco-Mongol" is a memorable term. That dispute is still going on? Doczilla (talk) 07:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

N

I'm not going to lead your RfA into off-topic discussions, so I'll raise it here... Regarding Q10.5, N misuses [[N (disambiguation}]] within the article to give "other meanings of N". That probably have been fixed first: moving the disambiguation page to Meanings of N, or some such, before stripping it down. This might apply to others that you've worked on? --Stephen 10:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps Wiktionary is better, I'm not what the guidelines are in this area. Feel free to go to bed, I'm sure it will keep! --Stephen 10:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA Q#13

I have always have been a big believer in WP:CENSOR, what you said to Q# 13, is very rational just because Wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean we should use it as a trump card against reasonable arguements, we have an articles here about Christianity and Jesus , however that doesn't mean we need to add the image of Piss Christ to those articles on the grounds of WP:CENSOR. I think now more then ever that you will make for a wonderfully administrator and I wish you the best in your RfA.▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 21:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA

Hello Elonka. How are you? I am a relatively new user. I have seen your contributions and I think you have done a fine job. I wish you all the best. I saw your RfA and I wanted to vote for you. However, some users have voted 'Oppose'. I have not voted. If you become an admin, will you help users like me? I read some comments of users who have opposed you. And, let me ask you a question that nobody has asked: Why so many people are against you? I would like you to answer my question. I asked this question in a good faith. Please don't get offended. I personally think that you have done a fine job. You can reply on my talk page. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Ring

Thanks for your edits to Ring, I am currently working on Ring through Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links in an attempt to correct links in articles. I realize that WP:MOSDAB allows (or even recommends) pipes in some instances, but they make it difficult to identify the actual correct link when building piped linked in articles. I am going to remove the pipes while I continue cleaning up articles with Disambiguous links. Would you like me to drop you a note here when I get down so you can reconsider what links (I will probably find more to add) should be piped per WP:MOSDAB? Jeepday (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• All ended up doing was change a double quote " in to two single quotes '' - 18:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Email

Hello Elonka. I have send your an email. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you online? Masterpiece2000 (talk) 13:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Deleting references from dab article

Hi. Can you tell me why you deleted the references I added to Lotus to justify my statement that the "lotus" of the Qur'an was a Ziziphus species? I'd want to see justification for a statement like that. Is there some policy against references in dab articles? —JerryFriedman (Talk) 04:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:MOSDAB, which generally calls for a much, much terser text on a dab page. There should probably be a line on the dab page, linking in turn to a page discussing the Koranic sidr. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Support!

Hello Elonka! I supported you. I have send you an email. I hope you will do a great job as an admin. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 14:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Moneybomb RfC

Hey Elonka. Just wanted to give you a heads-up that I've listed Moneybomb for RfC. Best of luck with the admin nom! — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 16:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

My vote

Well your eloquence changed my opinion, well that and your innate suitability to the role. My own take on Jimbo is he is in a very difficult position and for me supporting him based on his actions to date is a no-brainer because of this. Best wishes. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

email

I don't use that acct for email, normally. Remember, I don't trust yahoo for email -- it's my 'throwaway' account. I'm not expecting a reply from him anyway, the "all caps" email claim was a little bizarre. Mindraker (talk) 21:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I guess I never noticed that I tend to sign my name when I am really sincere about wanting something. I'll blame my dad on this one, heh. Mindraker (talk) 21:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I really do appreciate your concern, but I am rather interested to see if he will forward me the (alleged) email, seeing as he was not allowed to post it on Wikipedia. If his claims are true, he would theoretically be jumping at the opportunity to "spread the word". If his claims are false, theoretically, it would be more difficult to provide the evidence. So far, I have not received contact from him. Mindraker (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

I'm pleased to inform you that you are now an administrator. Please read all the material on the administrators' reading list before testing out your new privileges. For instructions, please see the administrators' how-to guide. Best of luck — Dan | talk 01:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

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Congrats, Elonka -- enjoy! :-) SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Let me be the first -- even before the bureaucrats -- second to say congrats. Now go ahead and prove me wrong. -- tariqabjotu 01:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats as well. Horologium (talk) 01:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats Secret ^account 01:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Elonka! If you have any admin-related questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Best, Nishkid64 (talk) 01:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you should make your thank you notes mimic an RFAR summons.  :-) - Jehochman ^Talk 01:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats Elonka.. now don't go proving ned and wayne wrong.. let the massive abuse of power begin! ;) EnsRedShirt (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Dang, I was pretty sure you wouldnt get it. I thought even a 75% meant a no consensus. Had I known, I would have sent 12 more emails to your former opposers. Just kidding (did not do any of that). Anyway, you wanted it real bad and you got it so you must be happy. Congrats. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 02:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, and best of luck. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 17:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations from me as well. I trust you'll prove to be a great admin. --Infophile ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 18:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The request for adminship was successful!

The admins' T-shirt. Acalamari 01:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

You've done it, Elonka! Your RfA was successful, and had 176 supports in all! Here is a link to the school for new admins (do check this out, it's very useful! I wish it had existed when I first became an admin!), and a new T-shirt! Take great care when using your new tools! If you need help, don't hesitate to contact me or other more experienced administrators! Good luck! Acalamari 01:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! 74% support and still making it we can thank our crats for good judgement (and hopefuly thank you soon for good admining!). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Elonka, I am very, very pleased. --A. B. ^(talk) 01:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Congrats! :) Now, make yourself useful! :P SQL^{Query me!} 02:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Echoing the above sentiments, Congratulations on your new responsibilities, and I wish you the best in your wiki-admining. ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 02:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, hey! Congratulations, and oh yeah, cleanup on aisle 3! --Bradeos Graphon (talk) 02:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! (Has anyone ever gone through as much to get the mop?) You'll be great. Unschool (talk) 02:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Message

Message: -->
You may seek the planets as a guide if you are lost...     ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk01:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Don't just stand around gawking! You missed a bit on the left. Tim Vickers (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! I hope you will do a great job as an admin. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Much congratulations! :) --Fang Aili ^talk 02:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats Elonka! It's great to finally have your dedication and judgment on the administrative team. :) --krimpet✽ 03:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! Although I voted against your adminship, I hope that my concerns, and those of your other detractors, will not materialise. I also do sincerely hope that you will exercise your newly-acquired powers responsibly and in the best overall interests of wikipedia. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so happy that in the end those who did their very best to submarine you did not cripple your RfA. The proof is in the pudding, er, the bucket! :P Monsieurdl ^{mon talk-mon contribs} 03:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Belated co-nom congratulations! Welcome to the team :) - Alison ^❤ 03:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

.snoitalutargnoCFerrylodge (talk) 04:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Long overdue, but thankfully this time was a success. Congratulations. - auburnpilot talk 05:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations again! Daniel Case (talk) 06:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Ditto my namesake directly above. Daniel 11:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. And I didn't even have to pull out my rant about opposing you for last year's political opinions. :-> Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Right (write?) on ! ;) Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 02:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Elonka! Ariel♥Gold 14:12, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

w00t!

I just got home from work, so I just saw that you finally got the mop. About damn time! Congrats and all that...it got ugly there for awhile. Party on Elonka's talkpage! :) LaMenta3 (talk) 05:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats Elonka - it was a long time coming. I feel better knowing that you are out there, protecting the streets of Gotham. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, about time too! Deb (talk) 18:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on your moppification. Best regards, Húsönd 23:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

From me as well, congradulations! Maser ^(Talk!) 10:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Double wOOt! Congrats, Elonka!! Dreadstar † 08:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

w0000000000000000000000t! — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 16:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Aramgar, Kafka Liz and the Rfa

Elonka, your note is much appreciated and goes a long way toward easing the concerns Kafka Liz and I had regarding your administration. There’s certainly no doubting your dedication to the project and the overall quality of your work. It says a lot to us that you have stepped forward like to this to apologize on the behalf of those involved.

Regarding how we learned of the RfA: no one emailed or contacted us in any way. Kafka Liz really did just stumble on it, as she said, and mentioned it to me. Our relatively small number of edits does not reflect the amount of time we spend at the site; Kafka Liz, in particular, does a fair bit of reading about policy (and later explaining it to me).

I’m assuming that most of the tension here stems from the Franco-Mongol alliance issue? I am aware of it but haven’t had the inclination to read through all of the pages now associated with the matter, especially when it is so clear that yours is the correct position. I too have little patience with pot-stirrers.

In any case, thank you again for your note. I think we can easily put this behind us now and believe we will work well together in the future, since our editorial interests intersect fairly closely. On that note, allow me to congratulate you on your successful RfA and wish you all the best. Aramgar (talk) 22:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Elonka, at the risk of sounding too much like Aramgar, I too would like to thank you for your kind words and congratulate you on your adminship. And wish you an excellent holiday season. :) Kafka Liz (talk) 18:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Ciphertext congratulations

Elonka,

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Sincerely, --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Google talk msg

Dear Elonka: Well, I got sent "the email message" -- you know what I'm talking about. Of all people, I was giving someone the "benefit of the doubt". Well, don't blow this, Elonka. But, as the saying goes, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Impress me, and prove me wrong. Remember, I'm old school, and like to be impressed. Mindraker (talk) 20:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The source is logically irrelevant. Please, Elonka, it was to impress me, not amuse me. Mindraker (talk) 20:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The worst case scenario is already happening, and you're just a component of it. Wikipedia is far more fluid than books. History can be rewritten at will. It's not like Nazi Germany anymore, when piles of books needed to be burned and rewritten; history can be changed with a click of a mouse and a tap of a keyboard. George Orwell's 1984 is 2004. Someone with your knowledge in an element like this is like a fish in water. It's too dangerous. What is history anymore? If you can alter history like Play-doh, what is reality anymore?

No, no, no. Hell no. Mindraker (talk) 20:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

*chuckle* That brings back memories. No, I haven't been a member of the Kryptos group in a while. Frankly, I don't know what to believe anymore, Elonka. I really don't have the feeling that I know you anymore. The Elonka on Wikipedia is not the Elonka I knew on the Kryptos group. I've seen another side of you, a combatant side, an unrelenting, uncompromising, dishonest side. The Elonka from the Kryptos group would be an OK administrator -- the Elonka from Wikipedia -- that's another person. Mindraker (talk) 21:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Uh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ron_Dunin&action=history <-- October 2007! http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Marcin_Dunin&limit=500&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Dunin_%28surname%29&limit=500&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Antoni_Dunin&limit=500&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rodryg_Dunin&limit=500&action=history ... does that help?