Talk:List of unseen characters

Does anyone know of the TV show which featured a regular character, who - for some reason (unpopularity, most likely) - went up to their attic in one episode, and was never seen again? They were spoken about by the other characters still, for the remainder of the show.

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What about Sauron in Lord of the Rings books? Sure, various characters see "the eye of sauron", but a corporeal Sauron was never shown as in the movies. I have heard that these scenes were taken from the Silmarillion, but even so, since that was published posthumously I think that within the bounds of the Lord of the Rings books, Sauron should count as an unseen or at most partially seen character. --Misfit

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Wilson of Home Improvement doesn't count, as we can hear him and see most of him.

Diane, on Twin Peaks, doesn't count either, as we never learn anything about her , and I think she turns out to be a figment of Cooper's imagination anyway.

Fair enough. Couldn't say I've seen more than a few episodes of Home Improvement, and all I remember is Wilson's hat. KF

There's an old British series My Girl & Me ('84-'88) which, if I remember, had a character with an unseen wife, who was a forerunner of Maris Crane. I think her name was Margot. IMDB is no help on this.

I think we saw Will & Grace's Stan's knees in the bath with Karen in one episode. -- Tarquin

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Shouldn't the name of this page be unseen character so that we could more easily link to this page? (See Wikipedia:Naming conventions) Mrwojo 13:05 Oct 7, 2002 (UTC)

yes, it should. I'll move it.

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Doesn't Sophia Petrillo -- or whatever her name is (Golden Girls) -- occasionally talk about her son? It's been such a long time that I really don't remember exactly. KF 19:22 Oct 7, 2002 (UTC)

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I removed:

• Christine Kochanski and the Captain on Red Dwarf

Kochanski is seen five times (twice in the first series) before becoming a major character in series 7. Captain Hollister is seen three times (twice in the first series) before series 8. --Mrwojo 21:04 Oct 26, 2002 (UTC)

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Isn't the PA announcer on MASH Igor Straminsky, the cook? Or is it just the same actor lending his voice to an unseen character role? (Or am I completely wrong altogether...) Adam Bishop 21:20, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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I really don't think Phantom Dennis should qualify for this list - granted, he meets the letter of "unseen and unheard", but that's just because he's invisible and inaudible. He doesn't satisfy the spirit of being an unseen character (pun not intended).

The reason I'm pointing this out here, instead of just taking him off the list, is that I want to prompt a bit of discussion about where the boundaries lie. I think we can agree that Phantom Dennis isn't properly an unseen character, and that - say - Godot is, but what about Harvey?

—Paul A 03:43, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I think the definition should include that a proper unseen character must not be present in any scene. However, this requires a special definition of "present" that excludes, for example, Maris Crane seen through the window by Frasier Crane but outside the frame of the camera. 10:46, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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How about adding movies to this list ? Jay 08:47, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

If you can think of any examples that weren't TV series or stage plays first, go right ahead. —Paul A 01:35, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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I think that "Robin Masters, the novelist, on Magnum P.I." should move down to the "Unseen characters who were spoken of for a long time and then eventually seen" section. If memory serves (I'm not really much of a Magnum fan) he turns out to be the butler Higgins. If someone can confirm my shaky memory then I think that the "eventually seen" catagory is probably more appropriate (we don't really need a "unseen characters who turned out to be another character going under another name" section). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:56, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It was deliberately left ambiguous. (Higgins finally admits to being Masters in the last episode of the series, but then claims he was only kidding.) So "heard but not seen" is probably the safest category. --Paul A 05:54, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

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I removed "Mr. and Mrs. Turner, Timmy's parents, in The Fairly Oddparents. (Only ever shown faceless by the early episodes of the series)". The user seems to be a know vandal, adding false information to articles. I couldn't find any real information on Google about this as well. --Conti 16:10, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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I'm fairly sure that the Geoffrey Palmer that is linked to from the Blackadder reference is not the same Geoffrey Palmer that appeared in the series...

Married with Children

I removed, temporarily: "*Gary, the owner of the shoe store that Al Bundy from Married with Children was seen once in the first season in the 12th episode. It's not until the ninth season, that Gary is seen again. However, this Gary is a woman."

because it's totally ungrammatical and doesn't make sense. I could easily fix the grammar, but to do that I'd need the facts, which I don't know. Does Al WORK in a shoe shop, or just buy stuff there, or what? Is Gary a woman all along or only later, or what? If someone who hads the facts can tidy up this very sloppy edit I'm sure it adds a fine contribution to the article. Graham 01:59, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Al works in the shoe store. At the beginning, Gary was hinted as being a man and in one episode Al paid an actor to pretend to be Gary. Al was trying to impress everyone that he could get Gary to come to the store in person. This is probably what it was referring too. A few seasons later, Gary goes to the shoe store in person and surprises Al and everyone else because Gary turns out to be a woman.

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Most characters are never fully seen, as they are wearing clothes - Whoa! Revolutionary? :)

Norm Peterson's wife on Cheers

I recall an episode of Cheers in which the wife of Norm Peterson got a job in the business above the bar. At one point, she is seen from the knees down sitting on the stairs through a window before going back upstairs. I'm certain Norm would have mentioned her in casual conversation before this episode, so I think she should be added to the 'Partially Seen' category.

Charlie's Angels

What about Charlie in the TV serie Charlie's Angels ? Does someone know if Charlie is ever seen ?

Monkey Island

Does this game really warrent a whole section? Surely it could be condensed.

There is no section for unseen characters in Video and Computer Games. If someone would bother to make one the MI-stuff could be put there.

M*A*S*H

Mildred Potter is in fact seen in M*A*S*H—she's in a photograph on Colonel Potter's desk, and he specifically addresses the photograph as if speaking directly to her on several occasions. I think she should be removed from the list entirely. -- Corixidae | Talk 05:07, May 15, 2005 (UTC)