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*'''Oppose'''. See reasons below. [[User:Bukvoed|Bukvoed]] ([[User talk:Bukvoed|talk]]) 07:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. See reasons below. [[User:Bukvoed|Bukvoed]] ([[User talk:Bukvoed|talk]]) 07:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
**The article IMHO would benefit from some reordering. Instead of the ''design'' section, which mixes development history with technical description, and one more technical section ''armament and propulsion'', I'd like to see a section wholly dedicated to the development history and another with all the technical stuff.
**The article IMHO would benefit from some reordering. Instead of the ''design'' section, which mixes development history with technical description, and one more technical section ''armament and propulsion'', I'd like to see a section wholly dedicated to the development history and another with all the technical stuff.
***{{done}} '''I think.'''
**I failed to understand what exactly do M60 and M104 AVLBs owe to the Heuschrecke rather than to WWII era bridgelayers such as [[Covenanter tank|Covenanter bridgelayer]].
**I failed to understand what exactly do M60 and M104 AVLBs owe to the Heuschrecke rather than to WWII era bridgelayers such as [[Covenanter tank|Covenanter bridgelayer]].
***It is for the modern equivalents, I will add the link above in to the article, as one from that time. {{done}}
**Most of the sources are anonymous internet pages or other wikipedia articles. Some sources do not seem to support the footnoted text. E.g. the article from ''Achtung Panzer'' explicitly states that ''design never reached the production stage''; the ''The Air and Missile Defense Journal'' article on PzIV (actually [[Panzer IV|a copy from Wikipedia]], so it's probably better idea to link directly to the source :)) does not even mention the competing Alkett/Rhinemetall-Borsig vehicle.
**Most of the sources are anonymous internet pages or other wikipedia articles. Some sources do not seem to support the footnoted text. E.g. the article from ''Achtung Panzer'' explicitly states that ''design never reached the production stage''; the ''The Air and Missile Defense Journal'' article on PzIV (actually [[Panzer IV|a copy from Wikipedia]], so it's probably better idea to link directly to the source :)) does not even mention the competing Alkett/Rhinemetall-Borsig vehicle.
***'''I fail to understand what must be fixed here... Sorry...'''
**''Type: Prototype self-propelled gun or self-propelled Howitzer and Artillery'' (with three footnotes) - seems unnecessary long and confusing. IMHO ''Self-propelled howitzer'' would be enough.
**''Type: Prototype self-propelled gun or self-propelled Howitzer and Artillery'' (with three footnotes) - seems unnecessary long and confusing. IMHO ''Self-propelled howitzer'' would be enough.
***{{done}}
**I am not sure, but may be it would be better to move the armor layout to separate table ?
**I am not sure, but may be it would be better to move the armor layout to separate table?
**As mentioned above, the article is rather short. Perhaps more info can be added about development history or more technical info ?
***'''It was, but it was mentioned that that would just be to "tabley", so it was moved to the infobox.'''
**As mentioned above, the article is rather short. Perhaps more info can be added about development history or more technical info?
***{{doing}}
**It would be nice to have walkaround photos of the vehicle. And may be some historical photos too. I understand that I probably ask for too much, so please ignore this remark... unless you happen to have these photos...
**It would be nice to have walkaround photos of the vehicle. And may be some historical photos too. I understand that I probably ask for too much, so please ignore this remark... unless you happen to have these photos...
***{{doing}}

Revision as of 22:14, 26 December 2007

  • Prior nomination here.

I believe that this is ready for an A-Class marking. I have changed it since my last comment at 13 December 2007. I have added a reference, and have completed it I believe. Dreamafter Talk 19:49, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments:
    • Why is "Geschützwagen IV" in parenthasis in the opening paragraph? There doesn't seem to be a reason for it, although I do not know that for a fact.  Done
    • Can you provide a standard measurement for you metrically challenged audience? I know that 155 mm is roughly six inches, but I do not know what 105 mm equates to in inches.  Done
    • Would it be at all possible to put the armour information in the infobox? I grant you that would be a lot of work, but it has been done on our battleship artilces.  Done
    • It seems suprisingly short, although I will not object on the basis of length I do feel that there could be some unmentioned information. For example, where was the vehical to be produced (town would be good, factory would be better), how much would it have costed (projected cost would be ok), was it cancelled in favored of another vehical or some other reason, etc.  Doing...
  • Otherwise, it looks ok. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. A few sentences start with "it" and instead of having several one-paragraph sub-sections, they could be combined into "Development" and "Specifications" sections without the sub-headings. Cla68 (talk) 21:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    1.  Done
    2. Which sections should be merged, and why?
    3. Thanks for the help fixing it. It will be done, so that it can get A-Class. Dreamafter Talk 21:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. See reasons below. Bukvoed (talk) 07:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article IMHO would benefit from some reordering. Instead of the design section, which mixes development history with technical description, and one more technical section armament and propulsion, I'd like to see a section wholly dedicated to the development history and another with all the technical stuff.
      •  Done I think.
    • I failed to understand what exactly do M60 and M104 AVLBs owe to the Heuschrecke rather than to WWII era bridgelayers such as Covenanter bridgelayer.
      • It is for the modern equivalents, I will add the link above in to the article, as one from that time.  Done
    • Most of the sources are anonymous internet pages or other wikipedia articles. Some sources do not seem to support the footnoted text. E.g. the article from Achtung Panzer explicitly states that design never reached the production stage; the The Air and Missile Defense Journal article on PzIV (actually a copy from Wikipedia, so it's probably better idea to link directly to the source :)) does not even mention the competing Alkett/Rhinemetall-Borsig vehicle.
      • I fail to understand what must be fixed here... Sorry...
    • Type: Prototype self-propelled gun or self-propelled Howitzer and Artillery (with three footnotes) - seems unnecessary long and confusing. IMHO Self-propelled howitzer would be enough.
      •  Done
    • I am not sure, but may be it would be better to move the armor layout to separate table?
      • It was, but it was mentioned that that would just be to "tabley", so it was moved to the infobox.
    • As mentioned above, the article is rather short. Perhaps more info can be added about development history or more technical info?
      •  Doing...
    • It would be nice to have walkaround photos of the vehicle. And may be some historical photos too. I understand that I probably ask for too much, so please ignore this remark... unless you happen to have these photos...
      •  Doing...