Talk:Histon F.C.

Home strip is out of date. Histon currently play in a red shirt with white trim and black shorts.

Recent Editions

Added Club Honours, Previous Seasons & Current Squad. But Current Squad table needs filling in. Feel free to edit. Poiuytre 19:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Nathan Evans?

User Shrewsberry02-- whose edits on this page are identical to those of anonymous user 86.139.68.131-- has changed the name of the coach from "Steve Fallon" to "Nathan Evans". 86.139.68.131 also vandalised the November Deaths in 2006 page, saying that this Nathan Evans was dead. Furthermore, Shrewsberry02's other edit is very similiar to the Nathan Evans death vandalism.

These coincidences lead me to believe that Nathan Evans is _not_ coach of the Histon F.C.

But, to assume good faith-- I am certainly no expert on English Football teams, and there's a chance that the website could be out of date. Can anyone provide any proof that a Nathan Evans is head coach of Histon F. C.?

If not, I'm inclined to believe the website. [1]Anonymoustom 06:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

R.E Nathan Evans

As a stute myself I can confirm that Nathan Evans is NOT Histon's manager and Steve Fallon is, I've added Club Info, Directions to the ground and put more onto the History section.

Avoid fluffy language

"And with plans in place to build a new away stand, the future looks bright for the 'Stutes'." - this is magazine feature-style editorialising/fluff, I don't believe it is of an appropriate tone for an encyclopedia ChrisTheDude 20:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

R.E Avoid fluffy language

Dude, you don't seem to understand how Wikipedia works. Anyone can edit any article, that's the whole point of the site. An official at the club cannot appoint you as the sole person eligible to edit the article (nor in fact did you need permission off him/her to edit it in the first place). I am perfectly at liberty to make any changes I see fit to this, or any other, article..... ChrisTheDude 16:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Lance Key...

He has moved on and signed for Bury but still for some reason appears on Histon's homepage as a squad member. I have offcial conformation that Lance has been moved on and he is no longer part of our squad. Jazza5 10:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Trying to improve

I'm trying to make improvements to this page, but my work is being repeatedly undone rather than re-edited in order to reach some kind of consensus. Here's some problems I'm having:

• According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs a club's colours and badge should be in a separate section, rather than in the introduction.
• 2007-08 marks Histon's first season in the Football Conference, the highest league they have ever reached. As a consequence, pretty much anything they do in this season will be "historic". If something is "historic" it should be self-evident and doesn't need pointing out as such.
• Details of the ground expansions related to the relocation of Cambridgeshire FA to the Glassworld stadium don't really need to mention things such as "Ladies' and gents' toilets" or "A new kitchen to supply fans with even more hot menus"

Dancarney 08:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok Dan, I agree with some of the points you pointed out there. The club crest and colours should be put in another section, and to a certain extent I agree with the point you made about the Ladies and Gents toilets in your reference to the 'Ground' section. But what I don't agree with is your problem about the history section. I was only stating that this is the highest league Histon have ever been in and that this a crucial part of the article as it tells the user of the article important information.

Jazza5 10:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

As a starter, how about this as an opening paragraph?

Histon Football Club is an English football club based in the twin villages of Histon and Impington, approximately 5 kilometres (3 miles) north of Cambridge, Cambridgeshire. In the 2007-08 season they compete for the first time in the Conference National, after having won and been promoted from the Conference South in 2006-07, the highest level that the club has ever reached in the English football league system.

I think this outlines the relevant details in a suitable fashion. It shows that reaching this level is historic for the club in a neutral fashion. The term "historic" itself comes across, to me, a bit POV. Can we also agree that terms such as "drubbing" and "Conference giants" aren't very encyclopaedic? Dancarney 11:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with that Dan, I wasn't the one that put words like that in but I can see that "drubbing" is not an appropriate form of language to use in an encyclopaedic article. Your suggestion on a opening paragraph sums up brilliantly one of the most important bits of infomation in the article so go with it. What about the club crest and colours?

Jazza5 19:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• Some useful additions to the History section. I've re-jigged it a bit to try and not have some Recent History after a previously mentioned season. Hopefully someone with more knowledge could fill out the 20th Century history a bit more I think there may be something in the mentioning about Histon mostly consisting of local players, but we could do with a citation. I'd forgotten to do anything about Colours & Crest, though. Dancarney 23:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah I've added that info to the History section as I thought I could give the Wikipedia community more information on the background of the club and such. Have enquired about information about when the club first started and who played for them but no reply back. Will update the article as soon as information is handed to me. Jazza5 15:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

OK. I have, however, put the "citation needed" tags back on a couple of those statements. In order to say that the club "is labelled by many as a 'family club'" there must be some documented evidence, else it is unencyclopaedic. Perhaps the Cambridge Evening News website may have what you're trying to say. Dancarney 09:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Colours & badge

I've created this section so that the article follows the manual of style at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs but the work was undone (rather than edited). I will be putting this back unless anyone's got a good reason why I shouldn't. Dancarney (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

But creating a whole new section for just two sentences doesn't really make any sense and would look much better still being included in the important info of the club at the top of the article. Jazza5 (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that the reasoning behind the club's crest is important enough to go in the opening section, though. I was also hoping that the new section could be expanded with a little about away kit(s) and whether there have been any times when the club has played in different colours. Dancarney (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, I very much doubt many people would have known the fact about Chivers giving the club the field without it being highlighted in the opening paragraph. If you can give an example of a new section and it seems ok I'll go with it, but if not then the article is fine as it is. Jazza5 (talk) 16:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe if there's an explanation/link as to who/what Chivers is that might be helpful. Many people may not know why there's a tower in the Everton F.C. badge, but that's covered in a separate section rather than the intro in its page, which is a Featured Article. Dancarney (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok then is this ok regarding the information about Chivers?

Chivers was a local company that provided conserves nationwide and during the mid 19th Century provided the country with its nationwide famous Jam. It was the company that owned most of the fields in and around Histon and gave most of it away to Histon F.C. but probably most notably to Impington Village College.

Just a suggestion that could be used in a possible new section. Jazza5 (talk) 20:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That looks like the right kind of thing. Could probably do with a citation and then we can use it. Dancarney (talk) 12:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Jazza5, I've just made a new section covering this, included a citation, and you've undone. Please make constructive edits rather than just undoing. We shouldn't have to put every little change to discussion.Dancarney (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Nor should you Dancarney constantly changing my edits on this article instantly after I've added new info. The article, is fine the way its going at the moment and complies with all the guidelines given out by WikiFootball. Jazza5 (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Changing edits is fine, it's blind undoings that I have a problem with. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs for guidelines on Football Club page layout. Please note the "Colours and badge" section. So, can we agree that this section is required by the guidelines? The section I created explained the significance of the crest and the significance of Chivers, with a citation. Aside from that, the record crowd does not need to be included twice, and writing "Histon hosted their biggest ever crowd... ...making it the biggest crowd Bridge Road had ever seen" is repeating oneself. If you want to say the record crowd was achieved despite TV coverage you need some kind of citation showing that televisation generally depresses attendances. Perhaps the coverage increased interest? Dancarney (talk) 20:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok yeah, I'll do some research on that then. I will re-construct the sentence if I can't find any suitable citation showing that televised games usually show a decrease in Attendance. But I wasn't the one that included the cited sentance about the largest crowd in the ground section as well as the History section. You were. I only undid what I deemed appropriate in the first place and that was the fact about largest crowd in the 21st Century section which was removed. I will now remove the cited sentence in the 'Ground' section. Jazza5 (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)