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Hey man, this AfD was closed as a merge, but the closing admin deferred making the actual merge to someone more well-versed in MK content. You want to take care of it? GlassCobra 19:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I guess you could consider me well-versed in MK. :) I'll jump on it in a bit. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Totally lost track of this, what with some of the drama I've been dealing with. I'll try to do it later tonight... EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: On your future with Wikipedia

The reason why I have user talk so high is because I have nothing to do except cleaning up vandalism and improving articles. Do you have any suggestions? And did you get the messages as a template, because I would really like the template. -Go od sh op ed 06:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've been given several leads on your talk page for where you can better focus your energies. However, I'm curious as to what you're talking about in regards to "the messages as a template". EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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You beat me

Looks like you beat me :) [1] I was wondering why that edit wasn't showing up in my contributions! Redrocketboy 03:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fast like ninja. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UAA report

The reason I posted the username was because of this website the user has been copyvio-ing [2]. The e-mail address on the contact information at the bottom of the first link is the user's username. I'm pretty sure that this is the promotional aspect you may have been looking for. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you think otherwise. Happy editing! Icestorm815 (talk) 21:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Created First Article

EVula I've created the Spellforce 2:Dragon Storm article, I've told the other's on the previous spellforce 2 article that they could improve it if they wanted to, i hope the article is fine SKYNET X1000 (talk) 09:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My userpage

Thanks for the super-fast revert of the vandalism on my userpage! :-) IronGargoyle (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Getting to bust up vandals is thanks enough. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the heads-up

Cheers Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 21:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOLJimbo

OMG, Image:Loljimbo.jpg is the funniest thing. I hope people start making lots of those... нмŵוτн τ 22:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

commons:Category:Lolcats is the best category on any Wikimedia project ever. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FU?

I'd tagged Image:Fireflyvarietyad.jpg as orphaned, not lacking an "FU statement". You removed the image from Browncoat, orphaning it, I just tagged it as such. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 19:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You sure I'm the one that removed the image?
My bad for mis-reading the tag, but at any rate, it isn't orphaned anymore... EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, you didn't. I don't know what I saw when I was checking, but I was really surprised at thinking it had been you removing it in the first place. Oy vey, maybe it's time for a nap today. Sorry! — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 20:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it, happens to the best of us. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goodshoped

Thanks, I will train him well. Marlith ^T/C 19:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope so. As I've said before (and is obvious from ANI), he's roused the ire of many an editor. While I hope for a change in his attitude, I can't say that I expect one; I look forward to being pleasantly surprised. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dang, he left. Marlith ^T/C 04:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, what happened here? --FastLizard4 (Talk•Index•Sign) 05:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually somewhat know now that I just talked to him, but what really happened from your point of view? --FastLizard4 (Talk•Index•Sign) 05:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From my point of view? An editor, who already had a troubled history with biting newbies, abusing userspace, and ignoring attempts by seasoned editors to give the editor constructive criticism on his attitude(s), somehow decided that it would be a good idea to tag an established user's talk page with an extreme and thoroughly unsubstantiated insult. After finally being called out on his disruptive behavior, he got pissed off and left. See User talk:Goodshoped35110s#On your future with Wikipedia, User talk:Goodshoped35110s#Notice and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#My recent block of Goodshoped35110s for some starter reading on the topic.

Usually I'm not so flippant about such a situation, but I really feel that the contribution-to-disruption ratio was far, far too low for this to be seen, in the long run, as a bad thing for the project. EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the insults you got....

Well, to be frank, the way your # of contribs show and your weird wiki-editing nature, people might think you don't have a life. Is there any chance that you are addicted to Wikipedia? No offence or anything but that is an illness. Especially when you said "... I'm a fast ninja" above, that kinda raises some eyebrows. Don't be upset, I don't have anything against you :) (...must... edit.. wikipedia) huh what did i say? Can you be my friend? --µWiki Peers / Seeds (YouWiki) 21:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason for this rather unpleasant comment? It's not an illness! It's a desire to write and maintain a free encyclopedia, that anyone can edit. Anyhow, it's pretty clear EVula does have a life - he's currently acting in a show. Sorry for intruding here, but I thought I had to say something. Thanks. Redrocketboy 22:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite a wiki-addict, though I was joking with some folks last night about not having a life when talking about my nearly 200 WMF accounts. It's a valid concern, in my eyes. :)

However, like Redrocketboy pointed out, I do have at least some stuff going on outside of Wikipedia... (for example, so far this year, I've done productions of Wonder of the World, The Constant Wife, Arms and the Man, The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds, The Two Gentlemen of Verona, The Merry Wives of Windsor, and The Dresser) though I have to admin that I've brought my laptop with me a couple of times to the theater for my current show so I could get online during the hour or so between my scenes. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get on Wikipedia durring that time. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't attempt to alter/decrease EVula's editing patterns. He's beloved. Lara _Love 07:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

YouWiki, please read WP:HOLIC and take the WP:CRAZYTEST. One day, you might be as addicted as him. Time will tell. Marlith ^T/C 23:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user does not want to be an administrator

If you google "this user does not want to be an administrator" (with speechmarks), this talk page is the only hit. Can u tell me where I might get one of those templates for my userpage please Ryan4314 (talk) 03:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it only comes up because someone mentioned it here, though the discussion is now archived at User talk:EVula/Oct-Dec 2007. After poking around, I found the template at {{User wikipedia/Anti-Administrator}}. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aw cheers mate, thanks for looking for it. Ryan4314 (talk) 07:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adopt me

--µWiki Talk / Contributions (YouWiki) 16:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, usually it's customary to ask... however, I could adopt you. What do you want to get out of the adoption? Where do you feel that you need the most assistance in? EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RFA

Thanks. Regards, — Rudget _speak.work 18:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. It was done as much out of a desire to be helpful as a compulsion to edit every RfA, so it was a win-win for all involved. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Per Kurt's RfA: Lol, I know there wasn't any opposes - it was meant as a light-hearted joke and a comment on the fact there wasn't any. And no, I don't use templates. :) Cheers and thank you for the concern. Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 03:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty, it just looked really odd. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am really odd. :) Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 04:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Thank you very much!!!

Thanks very much for participating in my RfA, which passed 71 - 4 - 3! I appreciate all the comments that were made and will do my best not to let the community down. Who could do otherwise with such a fabulous rainbow-colored mop?!?

Special thanks to <DREAMAFTER> for nominating me out of the blue.

Happy Editing!
SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EpicFlame, etc.

Hey man, thanks for pointing out that ANI link; I went over and described the situation, so things should be okay. :) By the way, did you ever get around to that Test Your Might thing? GlassCobra 09:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I got sidetracked by some drama, though a cursory glance suggests it was taken care of by someone. Might need to go in and clean up a bit. EVula // talk // ☯ // 09:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You..giggled?

Wow.. :P GlassCobra 20:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My giggling is even more disturbing in real life, since I specifically try to make it as silly as possible. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Taunting

Before viewing your edit [3], I had gotten my hopes up that I had received a highly coveted EVula vote! :-) --Kralizec! (talk) 17:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coveted? Oh dear, you're going to give me a big ego... oops, too late! EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nashville photog needed for Wikinews

Any photographers (and by that, I mean anyone with a digital camera) that can make it to Nashville this Sunday at 6 pm, to photograph the final show of Jump5?

Details here: http://nashville.craigslist.org/crg/505941578.html

Let me know! -- Zanimum (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to be seeing a show in the Mt. Juliet area on Sunday, so I'm not sure if I'll be back in town in time or not. Sorry. :\ EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really, really bad haiku from a new admin

Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

Click there for my RfA spam haikus! → → →

EVula, thanks so much for your support. I look forward to working with you in 2008.
--A. B. ^(talk) 19:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad I'm not the only one to do RfA-thanks haiku. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bathrobe cabal, baby!

File:Son Of Pedro Aspiring Bathrobe Cabalist.JPG

Although not an administrator, and indeed not even able to make a thumbs up signal, Son Of Pedro nevertheless is fully engaged in the cabal

You're not bad looking at all for a Wikipedia administrator! Ryan Postlethwaite 21:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ditto! ;) GlassCobra 21:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd just like to point out that, at first, I thought Ryan's comment was addressed to me... EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - You know I think you're god damn sexy EVula - shouldn't need to tell you ;-) Ryan Postlethwaite 22:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dammit, why do you have to be married? Specifically, why do I have to have that pesky rule about no more married women? Oh, woe is me... :P
I'll see what I can do about getting my grubby mitts on a bathrobe for myself... EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I dig the longer hair. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've got a great photo of Son Of Pedro in a bathrobe, but 1) He's not an admin and 2) I couldn't quite persuade a 20 month old to do the thumbs up. Can he join anyway? :) And I am very envious Lara has the T-shirt. Wife Of Pedro refused to get me one for Christmas..... Pedro : Chat 21:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why again did I ask you, and not Lara as my mentor? Only because she wasn't on the list of people who are looking to adopt? Because you are very capable? We may never know. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ditching me in favor of a cute girl is always acceptable, and 100% understandable. I promise I won't take it personally. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro, When will we be seeing Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Son of Pedro?! Ryan Postlethwaite 22:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ryan, WP:BEANS :) .... ! Pedro : Chat 22:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I really hope that, when he grows up and starts editing Wikipedia on his own, he doesn't want a different username, because that's what everyone will call him... EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Should I register it now, along with User:Sock Of Son Of Pedro for public use? Better safe than sorry.... :) Pedro : Chat 23:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Would you also need to register User:Son of Sock of Pedro? :D Ariel♥Gold 04:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing points

File:JasonBRC.jpg

Son of Lara... Da cutie-patootiness is wedicalous!

Thanks. ;)
EVula, drag your secksi ass to Target and get a robe ($20).
There will be an "honorary Bathrobe cabal" for the kids. My kids pics are coming forthwith. Jason's tomorrow, Laila's after Christmas (robe is wrapped).
I am on the list of users looking to adopt. Been there since I grad'd from under Neil way back when. You can have two adopters, but I won't be too active until after the New Year, probably. Lara_Love ^Talk 06:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Goodshoped forgives you.

Yeah, GS3 just emailed me an said it's OK. Just thought you should know. Best, --Gp75motorsports (talk) 00:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the sentiment, despite the fact that I don't believe for a second that I was in the wrong. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He's back. Lara❤Love 04:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adminship

Thank you for explaining on my talk page your decision and the reasons behind it. However, are you able to withdraw a candidate, policy-wise, because of a lack of edits? I urge you to reconsider your decision. As I explained on my nomination page, I have far more alternate edits from previous accounts and while being logged off. Wikitank (talk) 05:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, you provided absolutely zero evidence that you're any more established than you appear to be. Not only that, but your nominator's 9th total edit (which came just three hours after his very first edit) was to propose your RfA nomination, which looks extremely suspect. If you can provide me with a bit more evidence of your alternate accounts (and can verify them), I'd consider re-opening your RfA. EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's more than suspect. It's checkuser-confirmed. Daniel 06:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I love it when my spider-sense is tingling and I'm right. EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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TY & APRDA

Thanks for the swoopy award of hawky goodness! May I ask a question about AIV? Is it just my imagination, or do a lot of people not read the highly complex two-part criteria first? Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but it seems like I am declining at least 25% of the block requests because the vandal is no longer active, has not received sufficient warnings (like none), or stopped vandalizing after a 'last warning.' Am I missing something? Did my "admin manual" not have this chapter? Are people really dumbasses? --Kralizec! (talk) 21:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I... my faith in humanity's ability to read falters every time I patrol AIV. It's not just you. I'm tempted to put pure nonsense in the AIV header, just to see if anyone would notice it (answer: no, they wouldn't). EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ANI Thread

It looks like Gp75motorsports (talk · contribs) didn't bother to notify you about the ANI thread he started relating to you, so I'm just letting you know: Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents#Unwarranted block of Goodshoped35110s. Sean William @ 00:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Testing notability

on newpages patrole, I noticed that someone is adding alledged witches to Category:Alleged witches. Their only claim of notability seems to be that they are once procecuted as witches. I'm not sure if that consitutes to notability, and was wondering what the best way to deal with that is. Maybe a RfC? A trial AfD? A discussion at WP:N? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, that's an excellent question. My gut says to gang-run them at AfD, but that can get terribly complicated in very short order, especially since there are unreferenced articles (like Jeanette Abadie) mixed with sourced (like Petronilla de Meath), as well as some that probably do deserve to stay (like Rebecca Nurse and John Proctor). I don't think a discussion at WP:N would really have the teeth necessary to do much of anything...

Though I have very little experience dealing with RfCs, it looks like that might be the best way to deal with it, given the 70 or so articles involved. You could probably trim that down a bit by gang-running just the unsourced articles together at AfD first. EVula // talk // ☯ // 02:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another note of cencern is that most of them have been recently created by a single user. Some discussion with that person wouldn't hurt I suppose. I still have an aversion against a group AfD, as that was one of the first things I did as a rather young editor, and the result was a complete and utter trainwreck. I like to think I've come a long way since then, but I'm still a little reluctant on the matter. I think I'll try the road speaking with the editor -> single AfD of an unreferenced one -> group AfD on a bunch -> see whatever is good with what's left over. Does that sound OK? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can definitely understand your hesitation to gang-running articles, given that example... ouch. :)
If one editor is the primary author, then yes, asking them directly is definitely a good idea; for Jeanette Abadie, it was written a couple of years ago, and the author (now an admin) might have a different outlook on things now. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Range block

Thanks for the reverts. I've never range blocked before, and this anon vandal looks like it will require hitting a huge range, something like 70.251.65.0/18. -- Flyguy649 ^talk 07:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, a lot of them appear to be in 70.251.123.* or 70.251.126.*. I've never actually done a range block before... good luck. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Slakr did a rangeblock of 70.251.112.0/20. Hopefully that's fix things! -- Flyguy649 ^talk 07:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Now I can close the window that has your talk page's history up. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

You got a Christmas card! → → →

Thanks. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there!

Hi there! I was just poking about Meta and saw that you had recently expressed a desire for an account at wikimediafoundation.org. It appeared to have stalled because of a lack of an "endorsement" by a current user. I'd be happy to recommend you if you're still interested. Also, as an aside, I've actually gone and commented against your request for bureaucrat buttons - nothing personal, of course, but I figured it might be proper to mention it, as I'm here asking after you, hehe. Just let me know if you're still interested and I'll be happy to vouch for you, as it were. Cheers gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 07:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fantastic if you could vouch for me. I was rather disheartened that they didn't see the value of a good wikignome. :) I'll re-post a request later today and drop you a line when it's there.

As for the RfB oppose, don't worry, I'm not taking it personally. I mean, I obviously disagree with you (otherwise there wouldn't be an RfB right now), but I'm just the slightest bit biased on that front. :) The only thing that bugs me about my RfB is the opposition based on my last RfB; I feel six months is sufficient time for someone to change, and I do feel that I'm a different candidate now than I was then. I just wish they'd held off on opposing until they saw some recent concerns... oh well. There's plenty of other stuff for me to do if this one fails too. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Get on it! Lara❤Love 17:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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SKYNET X7000

~~EVula, i've placed a tag for adoption, and I'm seeking to gain experience will you adopt my user. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 15:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)~~ [reply]

~~Please respond on my user talk page, once available. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 19:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)~~[reply]

Cancelled comment, removed the tag. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Er, alrighty. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dropping the ball

Would you mind closing this, I seemed to have dropped the ball on that one. Still got my fingers crossed on your RfB btw. 17:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the show of support about the RfB; I think, if it passes, it'll be a close one... EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That 13th oppose might just kill it. With 12 you were pretty much ok, and I was going to note to RedRocketBoy/guy/something that moving to neutral would put you in fact around 85% which is pretty close to 90. It's all because of that evil blnguyen. What can I say? Go be the future Danny question yourself! Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm not happy with how the Oppose section has shaped up. Several of the editors have raised some decent points, but there are a couple that I feel are meritless (to varying degrees). *sigh* Oh well. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't quite go for the 'in the future, people may oppose because there are too many 'crats, and that's why I am opposing now, even though I don't think there are too many 'crats now, and don't think there will be too many crats in the future'. And even if that were true, I would count you amongst the people who I would want as a crat if space were limited. On the other hand, I'm not a great fan of badgering the opponents either. It's nice when they explain their !vote, but they don't have to. Some people (not you) are taking it a bit too far for my taste on your RfB. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm not a fan of badgering either, but some of the !votes were incredibly cryptic, such as "I agree with some of the above" (though to be fair, she did later clarify what she meant). As long as I get a fairly well-illustrated reason, even if I disagree with it, I'll be happy; vague comments don't let me know what I need to focus on for the future (which is something I harp on about at User:EVula/opining/RfA ramblings#Vote vs. Discussion). EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Blessed editing, and...

Marlith ^T/C 05:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vital question on your RfB

I've posted a question on your RfB. It concerns User:Goodshoped35110s. Walton^One 16:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty. I'll get to it... er, at some point. Work is a little up in the air right now, and I've got a dinner and movie tonight with friends. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. (I'd also like to point out that my support for your RfB stands, regardless of the answer to the question. I trust you to be a good bureaucrat and I hope the RfB passes; I just wanted some clarification on the Goodshoped matter.) Walton^One 17:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine; there's plenty of stuff to clarify about Goodshoped, and hopefully my handling of that will dissuade some of the opposers (doubtful, but maybe).
I also appreciate the kind words. Even if the RfB fails (which I'm 99% sure it will), I'm quite happy that I've had two different editors I respect (you and Joe) support my second RfB despite opposing my first; it definitely makes me feel better about my desire to be a 'crat. Only seven more RfBs and I should be able to pass! ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rather important

Hey man, will you drop me a line on AIM or IRC when you get a chance? I got something to show you. GlassCobra 08:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It better be a gift certificate to target for a fucking bathrobe. Lara❤Love 08:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whaddup, E?

I just wanted to say, as I'm about to roll out to Slumberland, that I know your RfB is about to close and, though I don't think it's going to be successful (unless 130 supports pop up with a quickness), that I think you'd be a great 'crat. However, every shitty situation has a silver lining—which may or may not be the equivalent of a turd wrapped in tin foil—and that is, in this case, that you will have extra time to spend shooting the breeze with awesomeness. Additionally, extra responsibilities that would come along with Bureaucratship will not be available excuses when asked why you've not yet submitted your photo for induction into the Illustrious, Most Honorable Bathrobe Cabal... or whatever. So there. Just wanted to let you know. Mad love. You rock, gangsta. Peace out, Playa, Playa. Lara❤Love 07:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
-- Transmission Ends --

Word, though the thought of going near a Target this close to Christmas fills me with dread. I'll join up by '08. EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your RfB

Hi EVula, it's my unhappy duty to confirm that your RfB did not reach consensus. You should, of course, read over all of the questions and the responses (including your own) and pay special attention to the Opposes and Neutrals. There is a lot of valuable information there.

I would like to make a few comments I hope you will find useful; some particular to you and some that I think any prospective 'crat should consider. I believe that your handling of the RfB suggests that you are developing (or at least understand) the temperament needed in a position where you engage the broad community. If there was one thought I have had in following this RfB it is that you need more seasoning; give your 'crat-quest a rest for a while and consider the needs of the job a bit more carefully. Think of a bureaucrat as an umpire or referee. If you make a decision be sure before you make it that it is your best judgment, that it is defensible in policy, that you are confident in it so that you can defend it to the death (figuratively, I hope), and that you stick to it. We have had 'crats resign after especially poor decisions or because they didn't feel up to the heat. This is a process which requires faith in its fairness and accuracy. There have been and probably still are some who would try to take many 'crat decisions to other fora in the hopes of overturning it if they could. This would make the job infinitely harder, the process [even?] more political and faith in it would suffer.

On a more personal level I'd like to make a few comments: I appreciate your sense of humor and the fact that you can look at the world and Wikipedia with a certain lightness. It is a good quality and should add years to your life (no kidding). I also am noted for an ironic (and deadpan) sense of humor which has sometimes caused me a little trouble. Sometimes you'll see it in my off-Rfx work. But RfA/RfB is not a good place for it. In answering questions, don't make the reader read between the lines or look for a smiley. You may well be thinking playful sarcasm, but the reader may be thinking mixed message (to be kind). Should you attain 'cratitude, expect to be attacked early and often. In time, as trust in you builds, you can expect the attacks to be fewer, or at least a little less vituperative. You see how my straightforward question about the anon question was attacked as bad faith in a display of bad faith. That's just the tip of the iceberg. So practice making straightforward responses and leave out the levity unless there is no chance whatever of an ironic response being viewed as genuine. I also think it would be worthwhile to consider dropping the insults and threats rundown from your user space, and be more sensitive that there are quite a few people, notwithstanding the humor of Seinfeld's Soup Nazi, who, because of age, location, or experience, never find certain symbols humorous. -- Cecropia (talk) 09:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that your RfB didn't pass. I also apologise if q24 appeared to be a criticism of your conduct - it wasn't meant to be, and looking at the situation in full I don't think you did anything wrong (note also that I supported the RfB). You can count on my full and unconditional support for any future RfB. Walton^One 16:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

<placeholder response> I'm not ignoring this, I just think it deserves a better response than I can write currently. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick note, I've only just got back from being away, but sry to see your RfB didn't go through. All the best. ^Khukri 12:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, in retrospect, I wish I'd been a bit more cognisant of the holiday season... there were several people I would have liked to see participate (either because I thought they'd support me, or they'd give me some solid feedback if they opposed). Oh well, live and learn. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leia "Bunhead" Image

Greetings, and Happy Holidays! As far as referencing and citing is concerned, the Princess Leia article is coming along very nicely, I think. One thing I need help with, though: In this section of the article, I've described Leia's unusual hairdo from A New Hope and the impact it has made. Unfortunately, I can't find any image of Leia's hairdo in the Wikicommons. I'd say that section of the article needs more visual identification over that subject, as there's currently only one pic of said hairdo, but it appears much earlier on the page, it's fairly small, and it's a group shot with her and the other two main characters. D'you think you could help me out? — Cinemaniac (talk) 00:07, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you won't find any images on Commons because it's a copyrighted image; Commons only accepts free imagery, so that it may be used on all projects. I'm sure that if you were to watch the movies again, you'd be able to find a decent screenshot of her hair (then all you have to do is take a snapshot, upload it, and the apply the proper license and Fair Use rationale). I'd do it myself, but I'm rather busy at the moment (not likely to have the time to sit down and flip through the film for the right shot). EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've now listed the Princess Leia Organa page for peer review because it right now seems oddly cluttered and, despite my adding of a lot of references, it lacks reliable source citations. Although I've already requested another peer review for another article, as long as it helps the articles get better, I've got the time. Any helpful comments are appreciated, as this should help me in expanding other Star Wars-centric articles (particularly bios like that of Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, also in dire need of certain expansion). Thanks. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 03:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For examples of some well-done Star Wars articles, see Darth Vader, which is a GA, and Palpatine, which is a FA. Those might help. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Odd AfD close

Hiya, I was wondering what you think of this AfD close. It struck me as really odd to do things like that, especialy since it had just come from DRV. It also seems a weird way to invoke A1. Would you have acted similarly? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, a rather unique situation. Given the fact that the topic appeared to be a hoax, there really wasn't much point in allowing the AfD to continue on (though I think I would have simply because of the article's history). Personally, if I was going to delete that article, I would have cited WP:SNOW, but A1 is an applicable criteria for the article. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yun-Yuuzhan Requesting to gain experience.

EVula could you adopt my user, i'm wanting to gain experience, although i know certain scripts already because of my former username and how to do things on wikipedia, i wouldn't mind gaining experience. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 20:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to adopt you. However, I see that you currently don't have any edits to the encyclopedia; I understand the desire to have a fully-set up userspace (which is why I have one), but our primary purpose here is to build an encyclopedia, not make a personal website.

Also, I've noticed several Fair Use images on your userpage; I've removed them, as they aren't allowed anywhere except on actual articles (and even then, only when accompanied by a rationale explaining why they are needed). Despite these hiccups, I don't think they'll prevent you from being an effective editor. What are your interests (as in, what articles do you plan on spending your time on)? EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are certain articles which i wouldn't mind doing, like Sci-fi articles, game articles including Real time strategy articles, but however i wouldn't mind gaining experience, including on how to use scripts like reverting vandalism if any are found or write scripts which could be in use. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 21:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you don't need scripts to revert vandalism; I've got more than 23k edits, and none of them were with Twinkle, AWB, or anything like that.

Anyway, if you're just starting out, I'd recommend doing some wiki-gnome type work: correcting typos, making sure movie and video game names are in italics, stuff like that. The more wiki work you do, the more familiar with the system you'll become.

(oh, and yes, the images you picked on User:Yun-Yuuzhan/Navbox are just fine) EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but will it be alright if i ask for help from time to time if required. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 21:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! I'm a rather hands-off adopter, preferring my adoptees to come to me with questions, rather than micro-managing them (though that's also because my first adoptee, Martijn, is pretty polished to begin with...). If you have any questions at all, just drop me a line; I'll answer them as quickly as I can (and some of the other knowledgeable people who watch this page might help, too). Just gimme a shout whenever you need it. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's Great, but what shall i do with the adoption tag in my userboxes subsection. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 10:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated both yours and my userboxes. Now it's all official. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't use a capital V, that always gets him going. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh hush. :P EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, EVula for updating my userbox. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 14:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Barnstar

Thanks for illustrate biographies, your effort is appreciated. Emijrp (talk) 17:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure, I like the auto-formatted links. It even gave me a reason to create a few more accounts. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the photos!

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My pleasure! I always enjoy cross-wiki work. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any truth to the rumor...

that you are the best stage manager ever? 'Cause Mel still has you beat...

Don't have any contact info for you... Merry (Belated) Christmas and Happy New Year! (This is the actor that played John in Lion in Winter, FYI). Quartermaster29 (talk) 03:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gotta love it when worlds collide... :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and I'm willing to concede that Mel's the best stage manager, as long as I can still lay claim to being the best ASM ever. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And we all know the ASM works under the stage manager... (cheesecake)Quartermaster29 (talk) 15:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've yet to get any cheesecake from my stage managers. Usually, that's not a problem, but I have had some cute SMs... EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with toolbox

EVula why has my Lupins Live Spellcheck tool vanished from the toolbox. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 16:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing anything happen to your monobook.js file, so it must have happened elsewhere... you might want to ask Lupin, or take a look at Wikipedia:Tools/Editing tools to see if there's an alternate spellchecker you can use in the meantime. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've sent a message to Lupin, and am waiting for a response i've told Lupin what browser and version which i'm using so it should be easy. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's probably the best that can be done. I don't use it myself (I'm on a Mac, which has built-in spell checking), so I can't help you much more than that. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Current status script

~~EVula what's the code to get the current status on the top right page in the same position like you have. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 20:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)~~[reply]

Never mind got the status script in the right place on my userpage. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 20:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Escape Velocity Override

After looking at the other two EV pages to see if someone had tried to merge them, I found EVO's redirected to EVC. I dug around in the proper history and found out that EVO had been deleted in a two vote AfD, and the two votes weren't even in consensus. I don't think this was a fair AfD. How could we go about restoring the EVO page? The discussion can be found here. TwilightPhoenix (talk) 01:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC) (aka JoshTigerheart)[reply]

Well, the old EVO article is kinda crappy... do you think you could strip out the cruft and make it a better article? If so, I'd have no problem restoring it (basically, I'd only go against a deletion discussion if the concerns were going to be addressed). EVula // talk // ☯ // 02:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. Glancing over it, I already see what I can do. Fix the Lead and Gameplay sections, trash everything under governments. Work out a "plot" or "storyline" section to summarize the main storylines in the game, add a reception section with sourced reviews, and either make a plug-in section or work it in somewhere else. I did a very similar make-over to the Redline (computer game) article, bringing it to its current state (with some help) from this, so I feel I am capable of the job. TwilightPhoenix (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Escape Velocity Override restored. Have fun. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for tiding up my close. Regards, Mercury 17:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, always happy to do gnome work. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR

...My guinea pigs and the "A"s, "B"s and "C" having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "D"s, "E"s and "F"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) ++Lar: t/c 18:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An excellent idea, and one I've already earmarked for posting to User:EVula/opining/admin recall. The idea of doing it without the pressure being on is quite good... I want to clear out some more biography images, but I'll probably write up my criteria at some point in early January. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the jungle...

Please accept your honorary *Bathrobe Cabal* Slippers..... Of Doom!

Welcome, dearest EVula, to the cabal. Lara❤Love 18:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
--TRANSMISSION ENDS--

<cue maniacal laughter> EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For working so hard on other language wikipedias and doing a great job as an admin — Phoenix-wiki ^{talk · contribs} 21:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aww, golly gee, you're gonna make me blush. Whoops, no time to blush, got more to do... EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit counter

How am i doing with the editing on the edit counter, i've check it and it says. Is this good. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 15:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

user:Yun-Yuuzhan

run at Sun Dec 30 15:52:25 2007 GMT

Image:	4
Mainspace 399
Talk:7
Template:2
User talk:65
User:129
Wikipedia:6
avg edits per page1.55
earliest: 19:20, 26 December 2007
number of unique pages: 396
total:612

Well, it looks good to me, but don't put too much stock in your edit count. The number of edits isn't as important as the quality of those edits. (though I'm one to talk about sheer numbers, as I'm closing in on 24k...) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:26, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Need some help.

I can't seem to undo unmove link the GDS page move. Can you help?

Thanks, Mercury 19:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On it. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting assistance

EVula a while ago a user had place a message on my talkpage saying.

"May I please ask never ever again edit my user page?

Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)"

At first i've thought he tried to blame me for editing his userpage which i didn't but i've re-checked his logs and it appears he's getting fed-up because of vandalism on his userpage. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 11:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that he's upset that you fixed some typos to his page.[4] Normally, that wouldn't be a big deal (and he probably wouldn't get too worked up over it), but the typos were in the file names themselves; your edit, while good-intentioned, had the effect of breaking the page. The lesson here is to always preview your edits, especially when using scripts. :)
Also, if someone brings a complaint to your talk page, I'd recommend not immediately archiving it. If you hadn't archived it, I'd suggest apologizing on your talk page, but now I think dropping him a note on his would be the better way to go. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've already post an apology on his talkpage via my Yun-Yuuzhan account, also i've created a secondary account which I'll probably use for checking pages being vandalized. →Yun-Shuno→ 17:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EVula, will anyone have any objections for me to edit or add things to my secondary user Yun-Shuno. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 17:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Er, I suppose not, but why do you need a secondary account? EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't mind using the secondary account for doing things like fixing vandalism if any are found, and just in case if i need a secondary account in the future, since i've read on the wikipedia policy that most users have secondary accounts because they are advised to have it as a precaution if needed in the future and besides i mainly use this user for editing articles, the secondary i could use for monitoring vandalism. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 19:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that "most" users have a secondary account. Most secondary accounts are more for editing from unsecured locations (such as public libraries) where there's a risk of losing access to your primary account than for regular editing. Personally, I do have an alternate account, but it's because it's more important for administrators to not open their primary accounts to abuse (if someone were to gain access to an admin account, they could wreak havoc around the place very easily). Secondary accounts are usually a "just in case" system, rather than being used for day-to-day editing. However, if you wish to use an alternate account, you're free to do so (as long as you follow the policy on multiple accounts. If you want to break article editing and anti-vandalism tasks across accounts, you can, though I'd consider it easier to just do both with a single account (it certainly makes it easier for other people to keep track of who is who). EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest i don't know why i've created that account, i've placed a tag for it's deletion, and besides i like to use this one, and I'll use this account as a primary account for editing, sorting things out, and sorting vandals out, and it'll mean i can concentrate on this account a lot more rather than getting a bit distress by logging off and logging back on to access the other account. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 16:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I was suggesting just using a single account, but it was also because I'm just lazy. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ambrosia

Did you used to work for Ambrosia? If so, I owe you a debt of thanks - Maelstrom, Escape Velocity, and Chiral were all bad-ass. In fact, I'd probably be a lot farther along in my career and life if they had never existed. So maybe "debt of thanks" isn't the right phrase... MastCell ^Talk 21:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, I don't work for Ambrosia per se, but I've been a moderator on their official web boards since 2000 (and am now a super-mod). Before I fell hard-core into my wiki addiction, I also ran evula.com, but it's fallen by the wayside... EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Doctorates

Wiki Doctorate is a new scheme designed to recognise the people who "do all the work" on Wikipedia. It has been mainly developed for Wikipedia administrators however if you have done lots to keep Wikipedia on "the straight and narrow", including being members of different groups which help Wikipedia i.e "The Welcoming Committee. We have selected to email you because you can apply for the doctorate and we would be very grateful if you did and put the userbox on your user page to boost advertising. The following link will take you straight to our homepage.

Yours sincerely

--Dr.J.Wright MD (talk) 23:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, EVula

Regarding your second RfB, I do hope you'll run for a third RfB sometime again. :) I think you'll make a great bureaucrat. Good luck. Acalamari 04:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the well-wishing and the warm words. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 10:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Dear friend, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Eve, and that 2008 is your best year yet! ~ Riana ⁂ 02:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC) [reply]

AfD nomination of Darth Malak

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Help

EVula how do you change the userboxes so it goes to the right side of the page and to the left side of the page in the same position i've managed to do it with the vandal information tool but don't know the rest. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 15:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tweaked User:Yun-Yuuzhan/UserBoxes so that the boxes are right aligned.[5] All it takes is adding a little bit of coding to the table cell.[6] EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the help i understand what to do with the userboxes. →Yun-Yuuzhan→ 16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Hunter presidential campaign, 2008

I see nothing in policy that says that using quotes is cruft. They are used like an image to add to the article. It looks much more professional and encyclopedic. --S TX 19:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not citing policy, I'm stating my opinion. Personally, I don't feel that it looks more professional; an encyclopedia is different from a magazine, where such callouts are appropriate. I think it gives the arguments undue weight. As for the other item I noted, what are your feelings? EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason I put that is so that I could have the name of the article in the lead.--S TX 19:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I realize that as soon as I hit save. D'oh. :) I might see if I can rewrite the opening paragraphs a bit to get it closer to the beginning of the article, and make it less blatant. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks for your help.--S TX 19:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

_NOEDITSECTION_

I put that there because it A) cuts down on vandalism which this article is prone to. B) makes the article look better. and C) is a part of wiki. Is there a policy I should be aware of? I don't believe its important for people to be able to edit peticular sections, just makes it easier for them to vandalize the page. It is just as easy to hit the edit button on top of the page and scroll to the section your trying to edit. Viperix (talk) 23:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

B is highly debatable; I'd say that the "edit" links are only a cosmetic issue about 2% of the time. As for C, I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about (but just because it's a wiki feature doesn't mean it should be added to an article; __NOTOC__ is too, but putting it in a mainspace article would be disastrous for navigation, while __NEWSECTIONLINK__ would be confusing for a regular article).

A is correct, but only in the sense that editing individual sections is much easier; by your own admission, someone who wishes to vandalize could just as easily hit "edit" at the top of the page and scroll down to put it somewhere. Editing individual sections is a valuable ability on certain articles (for example, trying fixing a single citation on a lengthy article, such as Earth). Vandalism is a problem we'll always have, but our solutions to vandalism shouldn't come at the expense of regular wiki editing except in extreme cases (and there are much better methods, such as semi-protection). EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess will just have to disagree. B is highly debatable that is true. C I was trying to say that they put it on Wiki for a reason, and while I don't know the exact reason it does work for the purpose I used it for, and that since it is a part of wiki it is eligible to be used. While a vandal might be able to use the edit at the top of the page in my experience vandals are lazy and won't go to more effort than nessecary. Also most vandals are new and might not know about the edit at the top. Viperix (talk) 01:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For example, All the edits (38 of them) since were either vandalism (someone erased info for no reason), Incorrect (there is a list of movies in the talk pages that show which movies don't have it that people like to add; and taking blue links and making them red), or Bad taste (adding movies without an explanation; and bad grammer). Viperix (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Much obliged for reverting that rather disgusting fanfic that some IP inserted into the Princess Leia article. I'd hoped this kind of vandalism had stopped, but it looks like I was wrong. Only time will tell if there will be another fancruft explosion. *depressed sigh* — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 03:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's pretty bad. That one particular edit was especially horrible... EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Well I guess  will just have to disagree. B is highly debatable that is true. C I was trying to say that they put it on Wiki for a reason, and while I don't know the exact reason it does work for the purpose I used it for, and that since it is a part of wiki it is eligible to be used. While a vandal might be able to use the edit at the top of the page in my experience vandals are lazy and won't go to more effort than nessecary. Also most vandals are new and might not know about the edit at the top. [[User:Viperix|Viperix]] ([[User talk:Viperix|talk]]) 01:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
-::For example, All the edits (38 of them) since were either vandalism (someone erased info for no reason), Incorrect (there is a list of movies in the talk pages that show which movies don't have it that people like to add; and taking blue links and making them red), or Bad taste (adding movies without an explanation; and bad grammer).
+::For example, All the edits (38 of them) since were either vandalism (someone erased info for no reason), Incorrect (there is a list of movies in the talk pages that show which movies don't have it that people like to add; and taking blue links and making them red), or Bad taste (adding movies without an explanation; and bad grammer). [[User:Viperix|Viperix]] ([[User talk:Viperix|talk]]) 01:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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