Talk:Crush 40

Man, this article is screwed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titan50 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Unless an expert can fix the various problems then yes, you might say that the article is "screwed". 71.222.65.178 (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC) Help in any way you can.

I, Redphoenix526, will volunteer to help clean up the article. I've already made some changes and added a bunch of citations, and I'm working hard to establish the article's notability. I've already expanded the article enough that someone took down the "please expand" note. —Preceding comment was added at 22:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Band Picture

How about having a picture of the band instead? Wouldn't that be more on the topic? Their first CD cover can go somewhere else there. Lord Falcon 05:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

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I agree with Lord Falcon. Band Picture! If anyone has one, trash the cover of their first album and show us some Crush. Come on! Who cares about a piece of paper with a car on it, I want a pic of Crush 40. Or at least update it with a more recent album cover.

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How about adding the picture of Johnny and Jun from the back of the album cover, "Crush 40". I'm suggesting this since Johnny and Jun are technically the only members of the band.

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Thanks!

Wick (talk) 01:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Nu bleed rock

What the heck is nu bleed rock? forget NU bleed rock, what is old bleed rock? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.161.137.174 (talk) 00:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

My question exactly. Whoever wrote this article isn't paying much attention to it's upkeep, and isn't answering questions, OR updating it, and I don't think even cited the new album. Good God, we all fell for ! Radman622 21:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, if you don't know what something is..... look it up for God's sake! Were on fricking Wikipedia right now. Thats what this entire God damn site is for. Telling you what you don't know yet. So go right now to Nu bleed rock and you'll get some information about a sub genre of metal. (Who puts Classic rock and metal on the same album. Yet more proof that this alledged album doesn't really exist.) User:Radman622 18:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

That claim was made on their old myspace profile (which no longer exists). As I remember it, it was along the lines of "Crush 40 are currently working on our new album. It will be a mixture of nu bleed and classic rock". So it is the band's claim, although that was our only source. And no, I don't for a moment believe the album will feature classic rock, and I've never heard of nu bleed, although IMHO any album featuring both classic rock and metal would be awesome. Actually, isn't some metal considered to be classic rock? There's been no news on the new Crush 40 album in a long time, so it may have been a project they abandoned. RobbieG (talk) 19:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I wish the album was actually coming out, but generally, an album is released a couple of weeks to a couple of months after it's announced. The album was announced in June, and it's December, no album, no citation, no likelyness for one any time soon. Boo hoo, I think I'm gonna cry! User:Radman622 20:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Links

I've just fixed the link to the Crush 40 myspace page -Mintsoft

Discography, Genre, etc

where's all the info that most bands have? I'd fill this in, but I'm clueless about it MaKamitt 22:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Aparently nobody knows anything about Crush 40, and the author is just adding uncited false hopes on upcoming albums. I know very little too. And BTW, how can Jun live in San Franscisco if he's Japanese, and the music is like, recorded in Japan and all that? I'd be willing to bet that information is wrong, and based off of the fact that SA2B was developed in San Fransisco, and that the music for that game was recorded there. User:Radman622 18:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

He has a Japanese name and speaks Japanese, because he was raised in Japan. He moved to Panama when he was 12, moved back to Japan after finishing High School, and currently lives in San Francisco. Why is that so strange? Johnny Gioeli lives in America too, but they sometimes record in Japan because that's where Sega's recording studio is, and the other band members are Japanese. Several of their songs were recorded or partially recorded in America - for example, the vocal track for "Revvin' Up". It's not that weird! RobbieG 16:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Huh?

What on earth is a team cow!?Also, I agree with that guy who said that the CD is unavailable in most places, i've tried both amazon(.co.uk) and eBay and neither have it.--Centurion Ry

Falty Speculation

Jun said himself that he has not composed or created any song for the new Sonic game, so I deleted the speculation.

Why is this page dominated by sonic?

Crush 40 do make other songs you know, they aren't owned by SEGA. Why isn't there a list here of all of thier songs like on the pages about other bands?

they may not be owned by sega, but havnt all of there songs have appeared in sega games? 212.140.250.54 16:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This page is dominated by Sonic because nobody can think of anything else that they really know about Crush 40. They're an obscure band, who does nothing outside of Sonic, and who has given out no information, and written like twelve songs, and who rock, but waste their potential doing nothing but putting out three or four new Sonic songs every two or three years. It's a shame really. User:Radman622 18:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

They did some songs for other games earlier in their careers, they released one album and they have an unfinished myspace page in the works. Apart from that, they pretty much do nothing but Sonic, so it kind of makes sense for Sonic to figure prominently. Incidentally, they haven't done much lately, even in Sonic games - they only performed covers in Sonic the Hedgehog, and weren't involved in Sonic and the Secret Rings. RobbieG 15:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but Jun composed some stuff for Rivals 2. They are obviously still going to be involved with Sonic Team, but the very reason I wanted to believe that statement about the new album was true is because they aren't doing as much now, and I can just picture four band members just laying around for whole years doing nothing in music. They would want to do something else since Sega's kinda been stupid lately. They might have wanted to carve out a name for themselves aside from Sonic. Thus far, they have failed to do so, and that is extremely dissapointing. User:Radman622 04:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The page is dominated by Sonic due their contribution to the music in the Sonic games. However, Crush 40 have made an album of their own that is not in the Sonic games, so I am surprised it's not been spoken of. Wick (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

genre

i think we should add heavy metal to the genre because metal is one of the genres on their myspace and there heavyer songs like what im made of and i am all of me sound like metal. and i don't realy think they are punk rock 88.97.6.98 15:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Punk Rock? How about no. BreakerLOLZ 03:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I've never even heard a line in a Crush 40 song that even remotely sounded like Punk Rock. However, I don't think they are metal. They're like.... borderline metal. Hard Rock, Alternative, you know, the works. User:Radman622 18:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the genre should be whatever they added it as on myspace. That would be the official source. Wick (talk) 01:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Myspace pages are not Wiki Policy. Sorry. Find some citable info. However, for the time being, I suggest keeping the article as Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. There is not poit in listing a genre if the band has only done one song that falls under that genre(i.e. [[Inudstrial Metal, only one song falls under this, but it does not describe the bands genre in general), but all of their songs have fallen under some category of Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. BreakerLOLZ (talk) 04:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Crush 40 In Concert

Hey, I'm just wondering, since Crush 40 did a remix of His World in 2007, and All Hail Shadow for Sonic06 in 06, and they're supposedly releasing a (clears throat and sniggers) CLASSIC ROCK album sometime in 2007, are they currently doing concerts? If so, where? Japan? The US? If so, where there? What state? If so, is is expensive? I NEED TO KNOW IF I CAN SEE CRUSH 40 LIVE!

Yeah I'd like to see crush 40 live too. I cant find any information on the band let alone tour dates. I dont even know if crush 40 tours in the US —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.2.1 (talk) 01:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't even know where Crush 40 lives. I don't know if they live in Japan or in the US. Gosh, aparently nobody but them know anything about them. User:Radman622 18:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

hard to find

Crush 40 albums are incredibly hard to find in the US since they arent very well known outside of the sonic games. But since i first found out about the band in 2002 their music seems to have become more popular. I still cant find them on the shelves in most music stores, but their music is much easier to find online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.2.1 (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to even find them on eBay or amazon. Or at least it was when I last checked... Radman622 18:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radman622 (talk • contribs)

Yes it is hard to find the albums. The only two albums so far that have been released are the following:

Sons of Angels album - Thrill of the Feel

Crush 40 album - Crush 40

Just in case you were wondering who the Sons of Angels are...it's the older name for Crush 40.

Wick (talk) 01:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• Are they really that hard to find? I found them in less than two minutes with a search on Amazon.com. Maybe you guys should look a little closer, because I found both albums and all of the soundtracks that fast. User:Redphoenix526

This Crap Article and it's serious problems.

Do not remove these tags until the problems are solved. The problems need to be solved, not ignored. If the missing citations problem is not resolved by January 08, I will personally remove the material which has not been cited, and is in doubt. Either cite it or it's gone. That "their new album is coming out soon" info has been sitting there since June, and still no album release, and it's not cited. Take care of it, or it's gone. Also, someone needs to start paying more attention to this talk page. I garantee nobody will read this for two months, and I'll have already removed the uncited info, but then it'll be a lesson to all of you. Radman622 21:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, somebody is on a angry power trip!  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Down at the influences section, Rap or whatever is shown as OR or CN, and it was up in genres. Questionable information should not be in the official band charts. Also, I just removed the trivia section, as everything in it either wasn't notable (Anyone who cares already knows Sonics theme in SSBB is Live and Learn) or OR (They have commonly been assosiated with this person or that person even though there's no citation and bla bla bla) So I deleted the whole thing, as trivia sections are not allowed on Wikipedia anyways. Alright people, it's November. Whoever put th e "New album coming out soon" info up in June had better get their sorry asses in gear and put up a citation, cause you've only got two months left before it's removed. (I'm being quite generous here, partially becuase this is such an obscure article, and partially because I wish it were true, and am mad that I've been kept needlessly hoping without info or proof for five months.) FIX IT OR IT'S GONE! And yes I am on an angry power trip, I've had some bad experiences on Wikipedia, and it's my observation that more things get done when I'm blunt, bold, merciless, and skeptical. User:Radman622 18:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Made a Few Changes

I've added some new information, including dicography and some history edits...plus some minor spelling corrections! If I forgot anything then I do apologise.

I would also like to say that I can add album covers for the albums if needs be - just thinking how or whereabouts I should add it. Might have to recreate those boxes I guess. Oh well.

Wick (talk) 03:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Added a reference to where Jun mentions the myspace page going wrong.

Wick (talk) 04:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

This article has multiple problems, has failed to provide citations for many statements, has been badly in need of clean up and repair for over a year, and has failed to establish why it is notable. In addition to being the source of a hoax, this article has very few people editing it, and is not going anywhere fast. I propose it's deletion for these reasons. Please remember that this is NOT a vote, and it's deletion or inclusion will not be determined by how many posts for or against the article are made, but rather by the strength of the arguments which accompany those posts. When posting, please go down to a new line, type the star key (shift eight), then in bold put either "comment", "keep, "delete", "strong keep", "strong delete", etc. Followign this outline of your opinion, argue why you think so. If no arguments, or insufficient arguments to warrant it's inclusion in Wikipedia have been made by February, it shall be promptly deleted. Also, when posting here, ALWAYS sign your posts. User:Radman622 21:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Crush 40 is a real legitimate band that has a following here in America. If I could have shown you their old Myspace page before it was hacked, you would've seen about 5000 friends to them on myspace alone. While their albums have never actually been released in America (because the self-titled Crush 40 album was released by Frontiers Records in Europe and the rest of their tracks are on Japanese soundtracks), they do have a following. In addition to this, their works in popular video games, especially in the Sonic the Hedgehog series of video games, are noteworthy parts of their respective games. I should try to find a site that reviews a couple of these games that has something to say about the music in order to prove this, but if you look around, you'll find it. It is their popularity and expanded work in video games, as well as their 2 individual albums and game tracks, that makes them notable. Now, I realize that the article has problems, and I'm trying to fix them. I'm really trying to fix the citations problem and the cleanup issues and I've already expanded the article's history section. I'm just having trouble finding citations for more recent stuff since they haven't released an album by themselves since 2003 (though there's all the soundtracks) and what I can find is usually on some site where several pages are in one link in the browser or some other screwy thing like that (if someone can please help me find citations for their later works, HELP!) It may be worthy of note that many of the citations I put up myself apply to one or more paragraphs, but since I'm not experienced at Wikipedia editing, I'm not sure if that's a proper format. Just take a look at the citations numbered 1, 2, and 3, and you'll see that 1 and 2 are a full paragraph of reference, and #3 is from all three paragraphs in that subsection. Other citations that weren't added by me, I can't tell you anything about those or uncited material in sections I haven't gotten to yet (I've really only worked on the history section). I've also tried to take down some of the original research, especially in the albums and genres section. I know a site that I can reference for the genres section to be more validated, but I can't cite it because of the several pages in one link problem. As for the whole "hoax" you claim with them releasing a new album, it really was up on their old myspace page, but since that site was hacked, it has not been placed up anywhere else and nobody really knows much about it for now, so for now there's nothing. If anybody out there wants to help me fix this page, please speak up! I'm not an experienced Wikipedia editor, but I've been trying to save the article with some rewriting, adding of citations, and so on. I see no reason to kill the article when it is notable (though it needs more rewriting to establish it) and can be repaired. I just don't have the experience to do it all by myself, though I'm trying to. User:Redphoenix526 01:22, 12 January 2008

TO Radman622: I put the above statement up on the afd discussion page, too. Crush 40 is notable, just it's not well established in the article's writing (though I'm trying to rectify the situation). I keep coming back and trying to cite more and more as I get stuff (and much of the article's text is cited right out of Jun Senoue's fan site from the same page.) I think there's hope for the article if I can get some help establishing notability. As I said, I'm not too experienced in Wikipedia editing, so I could use some help in establishing notability. The hoax part, well, no one's sure, but it's off the page now, and I'll keep it off. I'm also trying to tear down the original research and insert cited material, but it's not that easy seeing as the albums never had an actual American release (though people buy imported CD's from Amazon, search the albums and soundtracks there and you'll see they sell them.) I really think this article is notable enough to be on Wikipedia, and I could really use help, not a deadline, to improve it.

TO Redphoenix526: Obviously you are not so inexperienced, you have almost repaired the article to the point where I can remove the afd tag (When I put it up I forgot about all the improvements you had made, and so it's not really deserved anyways). However, that's the disturbing thing. You seem to think it's worth keeping (as do I, if we could repair it) but sadly, we're one of the few people who think so. I originally put up all those "problem" tags in order to draw experienced, possibly bored editors to fix the article. However, this has not happened, and most of the problems are resolved. I agree to work with you on this article, but I'm not satisfied that there are enough editors to keep the article alive at this point. Just you and me won't cut it. We need at least one more person commited to keeping this article (who will put there money where their mouth is, I've seen far too many Wikipedians who pledge to deliver and sit by doing nothing) and preferably two more before I remove the afd tag. However, in recognition of your determined work to save the article, I am bumping up the deadline to the end of March rather than the begining of February (15 days is hardly a fair amount of time to ask you to find editors for an article this obscure). I will help you, but I don't have password protected internet access, so I'm afraid you'll be the lone ranger on sources... which is precisely why we need more backup. I know a friend of mine who will help, but they shouldn't count as they are an inexperienced Wikipedian, and Crush 40 fan (Sorry Lorquin, but it's true). So, let's save an article! User:Radman622 07:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the extension, I'll try to find someone. I'm trying to work on the picture for the article, too. I figure the Crush 40 album picture can go somewhere in the middle of the article and I can find a picture of the members for the main picture. I've found one with both Johnny Gioeli and Jun Senoue, and given that they're the real committed ones behind Crush 40, I think it will work. Now, if I could only find the damn thing again...User:Redphoenix526

Unfortunately, you will never find a picture of ALL of them together. You know why? Because I heard that they don't even record their songs together. You can hear it if you have iTunes. Go to the Music Store and look up "Sonic the hedgehog". Scroll down to "SonicPOD". Listen to "Kyle-k Crush 40 rant". So, good luck on finding a whole band pic. If you haven't noticed, I asked the amin to quickly remove the afd tag, as it was somewhat mistakenly placed. So, rather than a deadline for deletion, I'm changing the deadline to, if at this point we cannot accomplish our goals, I will put up the "nominated for deletion" tag, which is much less harsh. 76.105.204.255 (talk) 06:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Are we...

Allowed to add a music sample of one of Crush 40's songs to the site? Cause I have a copy of almost all of their songs. I just don't know if it's possible or legal. Any of you guys know? User:Radman622 07:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

To Radman622: I found this on the Wikipedia Non-free content site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Nonfree_content):

Music clips may be used to identify a musical style, group, or iconic piece of music when accompanied by appropriate sourced commentary and attributed to the copyright holder. Samples should generally not be longer than 30 seconds or 10% of the length of the original song, whichever is shorter (see Wikipedia:Music samples). User:Redphoenix526

Reevaluation

If we can get the deletion tags removed and can clean up the article enough, I'd like to have the article reevaluated. It seems that it should be at least a level better than Stub-class. User:Redphoenix526