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January 13

Redirecting

Hey,

I made an article and when I search for it, I can't find it. Why is that? Also, I would like to add some things to it to help it be found easier. for example, the article would be Honda Civic SI and someone would enter, honda civic si I would like that to redirect to the correct one. Thanks

Ricky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motocross14906 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You created Honda CRF150‎ yesterday. The article has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet. When that happens (probably within a few days) it will be found on lots of search terms including different capitalizations. Wikilinks like Honda crf150‎ will always require an exact match, except on the capitalization of the first word. See Help:Redirect for how to make redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter, Well the actual title is Honda CRF150F so I was going to move it or rename it to the correct title. Will that mess up the searching? I have about 2 days to go before the "move" button comes up. Thanks

Ricky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motocross14906 (talk • contribs) 03:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it. It'll be caught by the Mediawiki (& Google etc.) search engines eventually (? a day or so ?). Algebraist 03:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I put your two sections together. You can add a comment with the "edit" link to the right. The move should not delay or mess up Wikipedia's search. In Google searches, "Honda CRF150F" with no space after CRF was around 67 times more common than "Honda CRF 150F". Is there a reason for usually writing "Honda CRF 150F" with space in the article, including in link names for sources which don't have the space? PrimeHunter (talk) 03:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that name. Yes, CRF150F is the model number without a space. I don't know why the sources are spaces. I might try and change them. . Thanks so much

Motocross14906 (talk) 05:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I tweaked the article a bit more and removed those spaces and I have one for question a little off-topic. That is, I would like to create maybe one or two more dirtbike articles such as the CRF150R and TTR 125L. Well I don't have those bikes so I don't have pictures. What is the police for using someone else's picture? How would I go about doing that? Thanks so much

Motocross14906 (talk) 05:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

See for example Wikipedia:Images#Obtaining images, Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. You may get better answers to specific questions at Wikipedia:Image copyright help desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I use Google Images a lot. How can I tell if its copyrighted or free to use? Could you check out this link? Thanks

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/090806_top.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/08september06_crf150r.htm&h=442&w=600&sz=145&hl=en&start=95&um=1&tbnid=V9YNfOZOKiqXzM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHonda%2BCRF150R%26start%3D80%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN

Thanks!

Motocross14906 (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

So sorry, wrong link here it is: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/090806_top.jpg It is from Motorcycledaily.com

Would this be ok? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motocross14906 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The image is displayed at http://www.motorcycledaily.com/08september06_crf150r.htm which has a strict copyright notice at the bottom. It may be acceptable under fair use in some circumstances but I don't have time for a better answer now. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fair use circumstances are satisfied. Don't use the image if that website is the source. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, Can I use any of the ones with the blank backgrounds? Try the google image search and you will see what I mean. Thanks

Motocross14906 (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

New articles

Hey guys, just wondering one thing. Wikipedia's purpose is to have all the information in the world so people can log on and look at it. Why don't everybody make their own personal page. That way every human being in this world will provide his information to the rest of the world. They can share whatever they feel like. And we'll have more users coming to wikipedia than. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himank05 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the founder did once say "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." [1] But it shouldn't be taken too literally. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not mentions some things we don't want. Unverifiable information about non-notable people is one of them. But editors are allowed to write some personal information on their user pages which are not part of the encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

There are limits, though. --Thinboy00 @214, i.e. 04:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The Wales quote is from, among other places, the TEDTalks video: Jimmy Wales (2005) on YouTube (if you're interested in Wikipedia, it's a must-watch), and it makes me wonder just how far out of synch Jimbo has become with the project he started, at least in this one particular detail. Wikipedia itself only wants a relatively tiny (but still absolutely large) subset of human knowledge. Maybe Jimbo's use of the word "sum" is a whopping qualifier (as in, globs and globs of human knowledge somehow do not contribute to the "sum of human knowledge"). To be fair, the Wikimedia Foundation has several other projects that accept some of the knowledge that Wikipedia rejects; and perhaps more importantly, the Foundation gives away its MediaWiki software for free, and several thousand other public wikis are using it. These other people are not just using the MediaWiki software, but they are also, to varying degrees, copying the organizational genius of Wikipedia, and using it to give free access to other subsets of human knowledge that are not part of Wikipedia's "sum." For example, Himank05 wants a page about every person, and so does WikiBios (albeit on some wiki software other than MediaWiki). For almost every sort of knowledge that some people want to give other people free access to, the Wikimedia Foundation has shown the way. Of course we can't ignore the dozens of other wiki software packages and the thousands of wikis running on them, but Wikipedia has probably done more than anybody else to popularize The Wiki Way. Wikipedia is probably the wiki that causes more people than any other wiki to take their first careful look at wiki technology and the social organization of collaborative editing. --Teratornis (talk) 04:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

i need help

I created an article and it was "speedy deleted" and i want to know why —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miramichier (talk • contribs) 03:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

For more information, see Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "title," the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on his or her talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If this is not fruitful, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but it will likely only be restored if the deletion was clearly improper. Hope this has helped. Algebraist 03:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Headless Nun was deleted by Kubigula with no reason given, but before the deletion somebody placed {{nonsense}} on it. The article was certainly not nonsense, but it was unsourced and did not assert notability. Many people make up strange stories like that in Wikipedia but this story appears old and has many Google hits. I will contact the deleting administrator at User talk:Kubigula. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been userfied at User:Miramichier. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

And undeleted with some sourcing added.--Kubigula (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

clothes dryer

how to change the belt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.241.181 (talk) 04:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add nonsense to this page, thank you. If this is a genuine request, and I have not seens it, please explain your question in more detail. Soxred93 | tcdb 04:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not nonsense but just on the wrong page. A clothes dryer usually has a belt which sometimes has to be changed. The method and belt must depend on the model. Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

wikiHow wants to become the world's largest how-to manual (in contrast, Wikipedia says WP:NOT#HOWTO). I don't know if wikiHow tells how to repair your particular model of clothes dryer yet, but eventually it will if enough people decide to share their procedural knowledge with the world. --Teratornis (talk) 04:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

A wikiHow search: [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

emailing a page

Hello I was wondering is it possible to email a page to a friend? If so how?Shaunestokes (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)shaune stokes

It is probably easiest to copy the address of the page into the email to make a hyperlink your friend can click on. Astronaut (talk) 04:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

may I create a page about my organization

I would like to make a page about my organization describing what it does and about it. Would this be ok? Mtcharles123 (talk) 05:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You will probably be interested in Wikipedia:Introduction and experimenting with edits in the Wikipedia:Sandbox or your sandbox before actually taking a page live. Typically, it is not wise to start a page about your organization due to possible conflicts of interest, however, if you can show that the company is notable, then it could pass. Can you provide a source or web-page for your organization? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, be sure to be non-biased. If your organization. is notable, it's worth writing an article about, but make sure it's not just advertisement. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 05:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

how to stop other user to edit my page?

dear wikipedia
Someone is often editing my page Panimalar Engineering College,he is not editing with right information.. he is editing with very wrong info..plz let me know how to stop those vandalism.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatheeshl (talk • contribs) 09:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The short answer is that you cannot stop someone else editing. Anybody can edit any page on Wikipedia. Even though you created a page, it does not belong to you. It is hard for an outsider to tell who has the correct information, in this case, as the article is completely unreferenced and does not cite its sources. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Citing sources and then add some good quality sources to the article as a start. Then, try to resolve your disputes with the other editor on the articles talk page. Hopefully, you can reach a consensus, but if you cannot, Wikipedia has processes in place for arbitration.

I think the article also has some quality issues and reads a bit like an advertisement. You might find Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) helpful in creating a better article. SpinningSpark 10:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No person in Wikipedia owns articles. Everyone has the right to edit articles. The other editors also want to edit the article such that it would resemble an advertisement less. Johnny Au (talk) 17:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that readers should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed."

Your comment about right information or wrong is almost irrelevant. What matters is whether the information is referenced and verifiable through reliable sources. If you add true information without any reliable sources then your edits likely will be removed. If someone else adds information that you know is false, but is supported by references to reliable sources, then you cannot delete it. So go find reliable sources for all of your edits and add them as references. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Raised the issue of a possible edit war at the administrators noticeboard. Astronaut (talk) 04:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.. I'm just being understood that this guy didn't make this page.Kfc18645 talk 10:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Translating the Middle Chinese Wikipedia

I was horrified to find that not all of the Middle Chinese Wikipedia was translated. Below is a portion of the search page. You may find it quite familiar, but a Chinese user won't.

"Search in namespaces: 主 Talk User User talk 維基大典 維基大典 talk Image Image talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk 門 議"

I do have the vocabulary for the terms, but what should I enter in the 維基大典:用戶介面翻譯/MessagesZh classical.php ?

Thank you in advance for your cooperation and help. It is much appreciated. Bjhyn (talk) 09:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC) P.S. Is there a table or list of things that need to be translated? names of variables which should be translated into another language for the language to work? Thanks Bjhyn (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I haven't worked on translating the interface but maybe mw:Localisation is of help. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyright templates for images

Which page(s) has the list of templates for uploaded images? Dainamo (talk) 11:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template messages/Image namespace SpinningSpark 12:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :) Dainamo (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources to avoid

I am looking, futilely, for a page that discusses sources to avoid using for citation. I've seen in before, but I'm drawing a blank in searching for it. Thanks in advance. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean - it can take forever to hunt down a policy/guideline if you can't remember what they've called it. Fortunately, someone's come up with an index Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia, which lists various source-related matters. Useful ones in your case are perhaps Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Attribution and Wikipedia:No original research#Sources.--86.149.61.60 (talk) 11:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

hello

how can you see all the wikipedia picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.113.3 (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You could browse through Category:Wikipedia images. If you want good quality pictures, go to Wikipedia:Featured pictures.--86.149.61.60 (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)You can go to Special:Imagelist or to all allpages and narrow its ambit to the image namespace. However, many of the images you see on Wikipedia, are hosted by the Wikimedia Commons, which are all freely reusable images. At the time of this writing the Commons had 2,342,935 free media files.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Jason Kane search

When I search for Jason Kane I get a fictional character called Jason Peter Kane.

If I search for speed pool at the bottom there is a link for professional pool player Jason Kane. I then click on that and get the non fictional Jason Kane.

Why does the professional pool player Jason Kane not appear in searches of his name and instead a fictional character.

Is it possible to make the fictional character search appear under his full name Jason Peter Kane. And the real life pool player under Jason Kane.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.186.252 (talk) 12:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason is that the name Jason Kane was used as the main name of the fictional character when it was created, with his full name, presumably less used, as a redirect to that article, while the pool player is at the name Jason Kane (pool player). The reason you see his name in the speedpool article as just "Jason Kane" without the disambiguator ((pool player)) in the title is because there, the name has been pipe linked to him. It is possible to change this but it would involve moving the fictional character article to a new name to free up the old, and then moving the pool player article to the freed up name over its redirect which would automatically be created. Before taking any such action, you would need to request the move of the existing article on the fictional character.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added a link to the pool player from Jason Kane to ease navigation. Algebraist 13:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Jason Kane (pool player) has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet. When that happens (probably within a few days), it could also be found by writing Jason Kane in the search box and clicking "Search" below the box. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the Doctor Who article to Jason Kane (Doctor Who) and moved Jason Kane (pool player) to Jason Kane, and cleaned up the links to point to the correct pages. Real people trump minor fictional characters. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Where next?

I've currently gotten the S Club article to Good Article standard, and I'm just wondering how I go about continuing the article and making it even better. Of course, I'd love to get it to FA status, but before I get that far.. I'd like to know how I would improve it. Are there any WP: pages that can instruct me where I can go next? - ǀ Mikay ǀ 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think your next best step is to request help from Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors and then take the article to peer review.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Or you may ask a specific editor who you know is a good writer and has experience in contributing to FAs (at least that's what I did before going through my first FAC, WP:PR is certainly helpful, but has a backlog all the time and I wasn't patient enough to visit it.) Best, - PeaceNT (talk) 12:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Link

Hi there!

I created a link to redirect "Dubai cup" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_cup). But the right would be "Cup" with uppercase letters and no "cup." It should be "Dubai Cup." While trying to fix, used the move button, but there was conflict. Then by mistake I created the link "Copa Dubai" (http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Copa_Dubai&redirect=no) in the Portuguese language in English Wikipedia. I would eliminate/delete that last link, but don't know how to do it. I want to enter the English Wikipedia and search for "Copa Dubai" and does not appear anything related to this link, neither redirects it. I would also like to know how do I eliminate/delete or change the link "Dubai cup" and leave only the "Dubai Cup," with the word "Cup" in uppercase there.

I await the contact and thank attention. Evandro Davis (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese bellow:

Olá pessoal!

Criei um login em inglês para editar páginas nesta língua e acabei criando o link de redirecionamento "Dubai cup" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_cup). Me dei conta de que o correto seria "Cup" com letra maiúscula e não "cup". Deveria ser "Dubai Cup". Tenei mover, deu conflito e então me atrapalhei e criei o link "Copa Dubai" (http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Copa_Dubai&redirect=no) na Wikipedia em inglês. Gostaria de eliminar este último link, mas não sei como. De modo que se eu entrar na Wikipedia em inglês e procurar por Copa Dubai não aparecerá nada relacionado a este link, nem redirecionado dele. Também gostaria de saber como faço para eliminar ou alterar o link "Dubai cup" e deixar somente o "Dubai Cup", com o "Cup" em maiúsculo existindo.

Aguardo o contato e agradeço a atenção. Evandro Davis (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Only administrators can delete pages, including redirects. Redirects are cheap and don't have to follow article naming conventions. Dubai Cup, Dubai cup, Copa Dubai all look like sensible redirect terms and I see no need to delete any of them. The last two could be put in Category:Redirects from other capitalisations and Category:Redirects from alternative languages with the corresponding template. You can request speedy deletion as author with {{db-author}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

science

cell are defined as? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.138.56 (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Review Me!)} 16:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi! The Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia, so the Reference Desk might offer more help. We also don't do your homework for you, but you might find Cell (biology) useful. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 17:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

safety

is wikipedia a safe site for children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.154.32.246 (talk) 17:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You may wish to see WP:NOTCENSORED. I would also like to point out that there are many children that I know of both using and actively editing Wikipedia. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 17:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Generally Wikipedia is not censored as stated. As to the question of Wikipedia being 'safe' for kids it depends a lot on the context of the use it's put to, and the level of parental or teacher supervision. Clearly Wikipedia may not be suitable for some, but for others given appropriate supervision it can be a viable resource like any other encyclopaedic work. However, Wikipedia does contain some controversial topics , as well as those with which parental/teacher discretion is advised.

You might also want to consider if COPPA is relevant.

62.56.75.239 (talk) 17:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Automobiles are extremely unsafe for children, killing thousands of them per year, and yet in some nations such as the United States, millions of people easily rationalize away this enormous danger to children, or never even consciously perceive it, simply because they like automobiles. While I don't have precise data, I would find it hard to believe Wikipedia could be nearly as dangerous to children as automobiles are, but I would submit that learning to edit on Wikipedia will be more valuable to children for the rest of their lives than automobiles. The children of today will almost certainly live long enough to see Peak oil come and go, and then they are going to have to learn to live with less petroleum every year, because their parents refused to, and burned up all the oil when it was cheap. One way today's children will live with less oil will be by moving information through wires wherever possible, rather than by carting their brains around in motor vehicles. Wikipedia is one of the greatest examples of remote collaboration ever invented - if we can build something as complex as Wikipedia without physically commuting to central offices, what can't we build this way? Given the potentially dire economic consequences of Peak oil, the question is not "Is Wikipedia safe for children?" but rather, "Is is safe to deprive children of Wikipedia?" Wikipedia is a window into the future of how children are going to work when they grow up. Those who learn the wiki way first will tend to have more success than those who learn it later, or never learn it at all. --Teratornis (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Touché. Feedback ^☎ 19:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has many many pages that are not suitable for young children (and by that I specifically mean pre-teens). I highly recommend the 2007 Wikipedia Selection for any parent who is concerned about their child viewing the more explicit material on Wikipedia. In the case of teens, the best suggestion I can make is to put the computer in a the living room so that if something controversial does come up at least you can have an honest discussion about it. Good luck. —Noah 20:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Collaborative filtering might be one way for millions of concerned parents to censor Wikipedia for their children as various subsets of them would see fit. However, an effective collaborative filtering project for Wikipedia would probably have to be comparable in size and complexity to Wikipedia itself. That's no reason not to try building one. Once upon a time, Wikipedia itself was only a good idea. --Teratornis (talk) 03:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

mpeg2

My pc seems to be missing this mpeg2 file. How do I replace it. Having problems with sw loading properly and audio on DVDs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.37.96 (talk) 18:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

INSERTING LINKS

I just added a name of famous residents of my hometown, Bronxville, NY, a man named Ford Frick. I didn't know how to put his name in blue with a link, as the other names are done. Please tell me how to do this. Thanke, Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knappnotes (talk • contribs) 18:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

To link, put a pagename in double brackets (like [[Ford Frick]]) which produces Ford Frick. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Red links (i.e. The weather in London) indicate that a page does not exist. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I have my own question. If, in an article, I write Ford Frick instead of Ford Frick; will it be deleted? Feedback ^☎ 20:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly unorthodox. I think it probably would be deleted. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Given that a common criterion for listing in a "notable examples of X" listing is that they're notable enough to have an article of their own, then not linking would at the very least be a warning sign that said notability has not been achieved. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Appropiate Citations

In a few article I have cited World Book Online as a source. But that citation was removed. The edit summary said that they will not allow things that require log ins to be used. Is this permissible to policy? Are subscription based sources allowed on Wikipedia? Marlith ^T/C 19:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

An example can be seen here Marlith ^T/C 19:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry but the user who removed them is exactly right. Sources that require subscriptions and log-ins are unacceptable on Wikipedia. Feedback ^☎ 19:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Marlith ^T/C 19:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

External links sections should not link to subscription or pay services. Citations can be to any reliable source, whether subscription or not which verifies information, though free or non-subscription source are preferred as between two sources, if they are of comparable reliability. You should also label the source in the citation as a subscription only. Examples are medical abstracts, lexis-nexis cases, archives of newspapers, etc. The problem here is that World Book should not be used as it is not a primary or secondary source but an encyclopedia, a tertiary source just like Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

film

how is it wiki havent got a file for leo gregory?he has had a empire nomination due to appear on goal 3 ...and also keira knightley had a cameo role in thunderpants and she also spoke in it.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.131.100 (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I didn't understand a word you said except Keira Knightley. Can you please spell correctly so I can understand your problem. Feedback ^☎ 20:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

how is it wikipedia haven't got a file for leo gregory? he appeared in green street he has had a empire nomination and is due to appear on goal!!! 3 ...and also keira knightley had a cameo role in british film thunderpants —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.131.100 (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Because nobody has got round to writing Leo Gregory yet. You could prepare the article if you want and then submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation or request it at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Make sure you provide sources though.

For Keira Knightley, she is listed in the Thunderpants article but she is not actually in the official credits for the movie. Where do you think this information should be? She has made a lot of cameos, so listing them all on the Knightley page probably wouldn't work. Woody (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please check WP:BIO to determine whether the "leo gregory" you mentioned is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. If you believe he is, you may go to Wikipedia:Requested articles to add his entry or create a new article on this person yourself. :) Concerning the keira knightley related information, please provide reliable sources for any materials you want to add to an article, the just edit the page and add them. Hope this helps. - PeaceNT (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Leo Gregory certainly appears notable. There is just nobody who has gotten around to making an article about him yet. Special:Whatlinkshere/Leo Gregory shows he already has many red links from other articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

creating an account

James Harris 2008 Candidate for Office 8th District U.S. congress (Georgia) Email: <e-mail removed>

I am having trouble setting up an account. Is there someone who might help me do this? Thanks James Harris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.56.185 (talk) 20:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please be cautious about posting your email address and other information. Regarding your request, I assume you'd like to register the name James Harris; however, the account User:James Harris already exists on Wikipedia, so I'm afraid you have to choose a new username. Also, I recommend you go straight to Wikipedia:Request an account; requests are generally dealt with very quickly there. This help desk page is for answering questions about using Wikipedia only. I hope this helps. - PeaceNT (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

tag/template for original spelling/grammar?

Might there be a tag available that can be appended before a quote which identifies the quote as the original and asks people not to edit it for grammar and spelling? See here for the backstory. Bstone (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could place [sic] in the quote? Not sure if there's a guideline, though, haven't found it yet. - PeaceNT (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sic hasn't helped so far. Which is why I wonder about a tag. Bstone (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you linked it, like [sic]? When the readers see that template in quotation marks, they should understand and not try to correct the sentence...(Still haven't found a related guideline) - PeaceNT (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Invisible comments You can write something like this in the source: <!-- Do NOT correct spelling or grammar. This quote should be exactly what he wrote in the reference. --> PrimeHunter (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It is also handy to have added info on the article's talk page and to use the hidden text to point editors to that discussion. —Noah 20:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The hidden text is a brilliant solution; it should work I suppose. - PeaceNT (talk) 21:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I added the hidden text and sic. Thanks! Bstone (talk) 21:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Insertion Permission

Dear Wikipedia,

I have spent far too much time looking for how to do this. I am sure this subject is in your archives but I have spent too much time looking for it already. What do you need for insertion permission from the website www.inwardoutward.org. I am in contact with the primary contributor of that website daily. What do I need to be able to add "Church of the Saviour, Washington, DC" onto Wikipedia?

Thank you --Meadejh (talk) 21:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Meade

Read WP:COI. Feedback ^☎ 21:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's not be so bitey here. What Feedback has told you is that since you are related to something you want to write about, you are discouraged from writing about the topic except to correct factual errors. If you really want to create the article, then Wikipedia:Your first article should be of interest to you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No, like I said, he can't create the article per WP:COI. So, YFA won't help him. I suggest he requests the article. Feedback ^☎ 22:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No, COI says "strongly discouraged" not prohibited. A very good editor should be able to put aside his conflict of interest and write a NPOV article. I'd be more concerned about notability of an organization. A very similar article was recently speedily deleted because it did not assert its importance or significance. So Meadejh should read both the COI guidelines and notability guidelines (and Your first article). Sbowers3 (talk) 23:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Display problems using Firefox

Individual wiki pages are not showing "talk", "+", etc.rich (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific? Which version of Firefox, which pages are you having trouble on? Have you installed any scripts recently? NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Start Firefox up in safe mode and attempt the same thing. If you still have a problem then some addon or extension you have installed is causing the problem.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It is often referered to by "talk" but the link usually says "discussion". The "+" link is only supposed to be on some pages. It is not on articles. If you change skin in Special:Preferences then links can move around, change name, and sometimes not be part of the skin. If you click "Printable version" then the links disappear. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

SIMULTQNEOUS DEATH

wE ARE TAKING OUR ENTIRE FAMILY, INCLUDING GRANDCHILDREN ON A CRUISE. iF THE SHIP SHOULD DROWN, WE WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A TRUST FUND FOR DECENDANTS OF MY GRANDPARENTS, COUSINS, ETC. iS THERE A FORM FOR THIS?

GRACE FALLONE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.22.3 (talk) 22:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia does not give legal advice. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I messed up

I was trying to add 3 more suspected sockpuppets to Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets / Kingofmann but it has added them under Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Darkimmortal. Help please. CarbonLifeForm (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done - In the future, and to be on the safe side, make all your edits to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kingofmann. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

January 14

Help with viewing history?

When i try to view a page's history, i don't see anything...Help, please! Maiq the liar (talk) 02:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How come? You don't see anything if you click here? -- Mentifisto 02:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I edit the Lady Elgin submission by Suofur?

I am a member of a committee which is raising funds to erect a monument to those affected by the Lady Elgin disaster on 8 September 1860. In May 2006 Sulfur added to Lady Elgin submission that a monument was erected in Calvary Cemetery (Milwaukee, WI)to the Lady Elgin victims. This is incorrect. I would like to remove this addition because it is misleading. Calvalry Cemetery did not erect any monument to the Lady Elgin victims. However, the family of a victim did engrave a message on the reverse side of the tombstone of their family member. The bronze sulculture that our committee is planning will be the first monument in Milwaukee to commenorate this disaster. I can photograph this inscription and submit if necessary.

Please give me instructions on how to edit the Lady Elgin submission.

M. B. Fallon (email removed for security) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.249.241 (talk) 05:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This is about [3] (also mentioned in [4]) by User:Sulfur who last edited in September. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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how to find about different websites —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.29.222.67 (talk) 06:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about what you want? Category:Websites shows some websites with articles here in Wikipedia, but the large majority of websites do not satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (web). PrimeHunter (talk) 07:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

I can't remove vandalism without rollback. It's really hard. How do I get it? Lex ^T/_C Guest Book 08:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You can request it here. -- Mentifisto 08:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

article history

Hi, I just created an article and came back to it several times until I felt it is correct. Now I find in the "history" or the "watch" sections the whole list of editing I did. Is-there a way to get rid of them and keep only one ? Thanks Fensexdir (talk) 09:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, there isn't a way to do that. Wikipedia keeps all history of all users all the time. It shouldn't be a problem for you though, when people search for that article they will only see the latest, most correct version. -- Mentifisto 09:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Another time you can use preview more in order to make fewer saves. It is possible to oversight some revisions but it's only done in special circumstances which are probably not satisfied here. If your account had been the only with substantial edits then you could have requested deletion of the whole article with {{db-author}}, but not now. Wikipedia deliberately keeps the edit history for GFDL compliance and other reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Admins and users selling their usernames & accounts.

Is this in accordance with Wikipedia policy?? If it is, I made a proposal here to change it. Zenwhat (talk) 09:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It's surely a joke and I'm sure that such a thing would be against policy. Maybe you shouldn't worry so much. :-) -- Mentifisto 10:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Another semi-protection request

Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?: Characters and Sketches has been subject to vandalism. Please semi-protect this page. Socal gal at heart (talk) 10:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I have forwarded your request to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

mother international school

about school forms —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.145.123 (talk) 10:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

rename user extension 210.211.246.167 (talk) 11:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC) tanvee

i have setup my own mediawiki and want to add the rename user extension.I have followed the usual steps for adding an extension but a blank pages opens if i use the Special pages link.Please let me know how to add this extension. 210.211.246.167 (talk) 11:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This is the Helpdesk for questions concerning the usage of the English Wikipedia. You might want to direct your question to the maintainers of the software on which Wikipedia is run called MediaWiki. They have their own Help and Support page. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Company description + Band/artist description

Hi,

How do I add a description of my company/website to Wikipedia? I've attempted this in the past but the entry was put on hold/deleted. All other companies in my field have entries on Wikipedia so I guess it must be something that I am doing wrong?

Company website: [5]

In addition to a company entry I want to add a description of my band. Again, all previous attempts have been refused. However, other bands have entries.

Band website: [6]

Thanks in advance,

Stephen Parfitt —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephenparfitt (talk • contribs) 11:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Stephen. There are a couple of issues here. First, there's a problem with conflict of interest; article edits by individuals involved with the subject are strongly discouraged for potential problems with neutrality and original research. There is also a danger of excessive promotion, or at least the appearance of it. It's better to let somebody else write these articles, though you may request them at "requested articles".

That said, while such are discouraged, they are not actually disallowed. Without looking at the history of your deleted contributions, I would imagine that the articles have been deleted as failing to meet notability guidelines. The company article would need to assert notability per the notability guideline on organizations. The band would need to assert notability per the notability guideline on music related articles. In both cases, these require utilizing reliable sources to verify assertions of notability. Sources connected to the company and/or band may be used to add detail, but not to substantiate encyclopedic notability. If you choose to recreate the articles in spite of your personal involvement, you will want to be particularly careful to keep them within guidelines, since your editing of the articles will in itself be suspect.

You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup tag for manual-style sections?

I'm looking for a cleanup tag that could be applied to sections that read like a technical manual or a collection of technical information, like this. What's the best cleanup tag for this? -- Ddxc (talk) 12:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the list at WP:TC, I'd suggest maybe {{cleanup-jargon}} or {{technical}}. --ais523 13:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I just added some sources for Bertrand Delanoë

but somehow, some of the text was deleted at the same time, about an assassination report. It shows up in my edit window, but it doesn't appear in the subsequent story. I'm not sure how I caused this problem, but the two parts don't match, and it makes Wikipedia look unfactual to mention that a former killer's on the loose just after the announcement that he's considering the presidency. Can anyone wander over there and check it out? Sorry, I don't usually make mistakes, but I don't know what to do. --Torchpratt (talk) 12:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

This is almost certainly because you made a typo in the <ref> tag; the tag should start with <ref> and end with </ref>. Missing off the closing tag, or making a typo in it, can cause all the text after that point until the next reference to end up inside the reference rather than the article, meaning that text ends up missing from the article. --ais523 13:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed two closing refs.[7] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Semi Protect "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?: Characters and Sketches"

Can you please semi-protect Characters and sketches on Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?? There was heavy vandalisim all over the place. And an unknown IP changed information to inaccurate information. Please protect this page forever so that IP users do not change information!! ACMEMan (talk) 13:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

What a mess of an article. In the future, please do not conduct page moves to revert or stop vandalism. Instead, please report vandals to WP:AIV or WP:ANI. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 13:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Page protection requests may be made at WP:RPP. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

BotMachine (talk · contribs) has been blocked indefinitely as well, as a sock of TheInvisibleMachine (talk · contribs). The article is being kept on my watchlist, but the vandalism should cease. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 13:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

BotMachine2` (talk · contribs) has now picked up the effort. Made a RPP request and asked for an immediate indef block of user. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Blocked indef. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The "vandal" is changing some facts (which are not sourced so i don't know who's right) but he's also removing ridiculous things from the article like: "Oooooooooooooohhhh", "Mooooooooooooooreeeeeeee", "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh", "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo". Did you discuss with him somewhere? By the way the article's name change doesn't seem necessary.--Yamanbaiia^{(free hugs!)} 14:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The bots have not been constructive and have been blocked indefinitely for a string of vandalism-sprees, and for being a sock of a blocked user. The page has now been semi-protected so the case is all but closed. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Using images

Hi,Am I allowed to use images from Flikr in Wikipedia articles?.Can I upload cigarette card images? Thanks Northmetpit (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It depends on wether the images on Flickr are copyrighted by the photographer (The flickr page then usually shows: "All rights reserved"). The second problem is wether or not there is still copyright on the cigarette card images themselves. This is extremely likely, and that would make the photographs themselves a copyright violation. It is best if you handed us links to some of the images you would like to include. Than we can give better judgement on them. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It can also depend on which article it is and which purpose the image has there. See for example Wikipedia:Non-free content. And note there is a Wikipedia:Image copyright help desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

As users have said above, it depends on the context and specific circumstances. If they are possibly free images, such as those in the public domain, please upload them to the Wikimedia Commons, rather than here. See as examples, Image:Jacob Schaefer, Sr.jpg, Image:Maurice Vignaux.jpg and Image:George Sutton.jpg, all three tobacco cards, and all of which I uploaded to the commons as in the public domain because of age.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Next page option

I strongly think we need a "next page" option on our encyclopedia pages -rather like a book where you can browse the encyclopedia from one article into the next in an A-Z. While the multi wiki links in the article connect to related topics one of the things I like when looking at a book encyclopedia is to read through one article into the next on different articles. It is quite a nuisance to have to keep looking up in the index all the time. Is there anyway this option could be made available even if it is only a user preference option and a small icon or arrow (mimicking a page turn over) or something in the top right hand corner?

For example in the top right hand corner of the page two arrows <- -> for page forward and page backwards in the encyclopedia article index.

I've brought this up at the council and have even asked Jimbo what he thinks but I feel there should be this option at least in a users preferences ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 15:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think this needs to be a new software feature. You can either keep Special:Allpages open in one tab and read articles in another tab in your browser, or you can see if someone at WikiProject User scripts could make a script that adds those links at the top. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

password

I forgot my password. Can you help?

David Harscheid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.165.97 (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I trust your account is: User:David Harscheid. Did you supply an email address when you signed up? If you did, you can enter your username on this page and press the "email new password" button. Otherwise, I'm afraid you are out of luck, and you will have to register a new account under a new name. read more about loggin into Wikipedia --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Fake information on image

What is the proper approach in dealing with an issue in which a user uploads an image with obviously fake information? The image in question is Image:Religious Persecution.jpg. The uploader claims that this is a TV screenshot, which it rather obviously is not. The explanation given is also made up. The issue of Islamic dress for female students is a major political hot issue in Turkey, and such an incident could not possibly have taken place and become public knowledge without creating a major commotion, lasting for weeks. In reality, no-one in Turkey ever heard of such a thing.  --Lambiam 16:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion and state your case. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

how do I add someone

how do I add someone to Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyinbirthing (talk • contribs) 18:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 18:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Template for too big images

Isn't there a template to mark fair use images that are too big (too high resolution)? I can't seem to find it any more. --Apoc2400 (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You are looking for {{non-free reduce}} --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Pages are automatically being added to my watchlist

I do vandalism reversion and I find that from time to time pages are automatically being added to my watchlist. This includes pages that I just reverted vandalism on and the talk pages of users that I've warned. Is their anything I can do to prevent this from happening? Thanks.--Urban Rose 19:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Because you use Twinkle, the autoconfig is to add pages to your watch list. Therefore please access: User:Thehelpfulone/new.js and copy that javascript into your monobook, located at: User:Urban_Rose/monobook.js. Before you do so, remove the existing importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js'); tag in the monobook. Once you have done this, clear the browser cache, and you are all set :). I hope this helps! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Review Me!)} 19:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

what do i do

Dear sir/madam i would like to ask that,when i have signed in say if i am looking up a subject for school on wikipedia how do i go back to the page i was on without it signing me out because i created a new acount on this site on the 14 th of january 2008 (because i love it so much and it helps me with my school work) and i was looking up on God for rs at school (religious studies) and when i signed in i didn't know how i go back to the page i was on before, so i clicked on the back button and it took me back to the god page but i looked at the top of the page were it says log in and it only said log in insted of my nickname which i think you might have cinderella luvz ya it said log in again so i tryed loging back in again and going back but it still did the same again and i was getting anoyed beacuse i wanted to finish my homework off for school so if you know what to do can you please send me something or even a message back telling me what to do so thanks anyway for your help if you get back to me. p.s. if i have anyhomework and i need to find out anything i allways come onto wiki[pedia because i think you are a fab and great website to go on if you are looking for anything and i think it is that good that i would recomend it to lots and lots of people. YOU ARE THE BEST SEARCHING WEBSITE EVER AND I MEAN IT TO. thanks again, hope you write back to me telling me what to do yours sincelery lauren amanda daly AKA cinderella luvz yaCinderella luvz ya (talk) 19:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Your best chance to find the pages you were viewing earlier is to look at your browser history, accessible from the menu of your browser. Once you find a page that you will need again, you can click the "watch" tab at the top of the article to place it on your watchlist. —Travis^talk 19:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Is your problem that you cannot find the page you were on, or that you cannot remain logged in? If it's the latter then see Help:Logging in. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

If you log in and then click the "Back" button in your browser to return to the page you were viewing before you logged in, your browser will probably not reload the page from Wikipedia's servers, but merely show you its locally cached version of the page, which will still show you as not being logged in (in the upper right corner). However, you should actually be logged in at that point, so you should reload the page you were viewing (in the Mozilla Firefox browser, you would press Ctrl-R, or select View | Reload; in other browsers, there should be similar reload commands). When you reload the page you went back to with the "Back" button, it should show that you are logged in. And yes, Wikipedia is great. --Teratornis (talk) 03:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

how do I add my info to your site

I was in your site as duffen cory, for 2 years- I tried to do what you asked it was tagged with a clean up note so i clean it up but the tag never went away and now your site has deleted my page even after I asked for peer review ( your request) and after I did an edit

Encyclopedic content was verifiable. by and through isbin's and the fact that i was the subject matter of the content of David Hockneys work

so now perhaps I have to start from scratch and follow your protocol

and I have no idea how to start, it seems like a lot of people are

fighting on this site, and its not too harmonious, this alone send the wrong message

I thought posting here was for historic reasons ( thats what I did ) and now im reading

all sort of erroneous information and just on the cusp of rudeness in statements and reply's

whats that all about- I thought it was fun to be here.

Thank you- duffen cory

duffen@rcn.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duffen (talk • contribs) 19:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Review Me!)} 19:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the deleted article and in my opinion it was not properly deleted under WP:CSD#A7, which was the stated basis. I suggest you contact the deleting administrator at his or her talk page which is here. The deletion log entry is here. If that is not fruitful, you have the option of taking the article to a deletion review for a second opinion. However, please understand that while I am saying I do not agree with the stated basis for speedily deleting the article, i.e., as having no assertion of importance, I am not at all sure that it shouldn't be deleted as insufficiently notable on the merits; that is, deleted after debate and consensus at articles for deletion, where the article is likely to be taken if it is undeleted. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the article was Duffen Cory – is that you? Forgive the repetition but it's as Thehelpfulone said above. If I'm wrong and you wrote an article about David Hockney, there already is one. If you have a contribution to make, you might like to hook up with that one. If not, then I've lost the plot. But persevere 'cos your stay at wikipedia can be a happy one. Julia Rossi (talk) 10:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Problems with Rifle Cartridges and Calibers

Whoever writes for the 30 Caliber cartridges is giving false information and it is creating a problem with my business. I represent a reloading/bullet company and many people who are not very knowledgeable look to your site for some beginning advice. In particular the person who keeps writing the articles says that a .308in diameter bullet is equal to 7.8 millimeters but then turns around and gives the military designations of 7.62 mill. (Example: the .308 Winchester is a 7.8millimeter diameter bullet designated as the 7.62 by 51 for the military) I have heard of 3 people buying 7.8 millimeter bullets because of this site and in turn the bullet is too big and is either destroying their weapons or injuring them. Not only is 7.62 smaller than 7.8 but it is also a completely different designation. It is necessary for you to have that person change that information. I had done it once before but he/she changed it back and it is now your responsibility. Have your person do their homework. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.103.32 (talk) 19:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• There does happen to be a discrepancy between the diameters listed at .308 Winchester and 7.62x51mm NATO. For what it’s worth, .308 in = 7.8232mm, so the 7.62x51 article has the correct bullet diameter. However, as I’m sure you know, the bullet diameter of any given cartridge is likely to be at least slightly different than the caliber, .357 Magnum vs. .38 Special, for example. In any case, under no circumstances should anyone rely on Wikipedia to contain accurate reloading information. A proper reloading manual should be consulted before attempting to handload any ammunition. —Travis^talk 20:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • .308 Winchester updated to show correct bullet diameter. —Travis^talk 20:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Template Help

I'm interested in creating a template for WPMILHIST that compines an infobox in the upper right corner of a page, and a navbox at the bottom. Is there a way to code them so they can both be in the same template, or would I have to make them separate? bahamut0013♠♣ 20:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Without including the entire article text as a parameter to the template, I see no way of doing it as one template. Sorry, it'll have to be two. Besides, it'll be easier to comprehend as two. :) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 20:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I publish my site for public access?

I just signed up to wikipedia with my user name: Patricia Martellotti. I would like to have it published for the public to view. However, when I google my name, my page does not pop up like it does with others. Can you help to make it accessible to the public if they want to simpling google my name?

Patricia Martellotti —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patricia Martellotti (talk • contribs) 21:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

All new pages take some time to show up on Google - it's not an instant update. Also, I believe (but have no evidence) that Google tends to update articles more than other pages on Wikipedia (such as user pages). In a day or two, take another look and see if you appear then. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm afraid Google index what Google want to index. And it will take a few days, possibly (indeed probably) weeks, before User:Patricia Martellotti appears in the Google index. Please remember that this is an encyclopedia run by volunteers and not MySpace or a similar social networking host. Pedro :  Chat  21:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

New Messages

Hey guys. For some reason every page I visit has the banner saying "You have new messages (last change)." (even this edit page). I have clicked both numerous times yet it still appears. The last edit to my Talk Page was at 08:09. Any clues as to what's going on with this and how to fix it? Thanks! Deflagro ^C/_T 21:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

As soon as I posted that, it went away. A few minutes ago I got the error that the slave servers were having to catch up. Maybe that's why it was displaying that. Thanks anyway! Deflagro ^C/_T 21:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How to find facts on Hermes

How would you find Greek Mythology on Hermes for a report? Kayla Simmons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.203.91 (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

If you type Hermes into the search box in the menu on the left-hand side of your page, you get directed to Hermes which should give you all the information you need. There's also some more information at Greek mythology - just click on the link here or in the opening paragraph of the Hermes article. Euryalus (talk) 22:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Lost my talk page

I am technologically challenged. I started out trying to archieve a talk page and somehow ended up losing my talk completely. There is some sort of "redirect" and I have read all these long pages to try to help myself and my brain has gone into shut-down mode. I can write text, but I cannot understand how to do things on wiki. Can anyone please help? I don't think "directions" will help, so maybe someone can just do it for me? Thanks. User:A_Kiwi Spotted Owl (talk) 23:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

See, my talk page now redirects to a topic page - just click to understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:A_Kiwi Any help will be appreciated. There is a Russbot that has been (apparently) following me around as I look at my watchlist, but it hasn't helped. Spotted Owl (talk) 23:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you created a page at [talk:A Kiwi/archieve 1] - however, your archive should be created at User talk:A Kiwi/Archive 1. Please see Help:Linking and Help:Namespace for more information. I will go ahead and fix it for you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

How to upload new version for some SVG images?

I've created new versions of some graphics on the Display_resolutions and Aspect_ratio_(image) pages, so that style and color codification is more coherent. But I am only able to upload a new version for the following image:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg

In the following images, I am unable to find the option to "Upload a new version of this file", even if other people obviously did upload new versions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WideScreenFormats_Breitbildformate.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aspect_ratio_-_16x9.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aspect_ratio_-_3x2.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aspect_ratio_-_4x3.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aspect_Ratios_and_Resolutions.svg

What am I doing wrong?

Jjalocha (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! The thing with those images is that they're not actually hosted on Wikipedia; at least, they're not on this website. Instead, they're hosted at Wikimedia Commons, which is a sister site (the same copyright rules and all apply). If you create an account there, you should be able to upload the images. For example, the 16x9 aspect ratio image can be found here. Hope that helps! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, MoP, that's exactly what I needed! Works perfect. Jjalocha (talk) 12:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

January 15

my blocked ip

hi i noticed my ip address was blocked from editing again. I dont have anything against this as my brothers friends like vandalising wikipedia. That is why i created my own name. But i Have one question could the admins block me because of people on my ip like to vandalise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxthepenguin933 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

This could happen automatically: see WP:autoblock. Other than that, unless you reveal it, there's no way of linking your ip address to your account, so you won't get any non-automatic blocks. Algebraist 00:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

Just a sort of factual question. Does the English WP use British or American spellings in articles? Or is there any consensus?Wikilost (talk) 00:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! At the moment, no, not any consensus; generally, go along with what dialect is already established in the article; also, if the dialect is about a geographical location, try to use the dialect corresponding with that location (for example, British English for Britain, Canadian English for Vancouver, etc.). See Wikipedia:Spellchecking, and here for more information. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Mainly, it depends on the subject of the article. If the subject is American or from somewhere else American spellings are prevalent, American spellings are used. Otherwise, British spelling is used. —Travis^talk 00:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
  • And if the topic has no inherent geographic nature, then it's simply based on who created the article (which is why we get these lame edit wars when cranky Americans want to change the name of the article Orange (colour), which was begun by an English speller). See WP:ENGVAR for more on this topic. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

If we take the view that computers exist to serve humans, rather than the other way around, then obviously a well-designed World Wide Web would adapt itself to the user's preferences, rather than requiring the user to adapt him/herself to one fixed state of the system. MediaWiki already has the capacity to localize (localise) to various languages; an obvious future improvement would be to localize/ise to variants of a given language. English is not the only language with this problem. If the edit wars resulting from deficiencies in our software are "lame," then the software deficiencies that predictably generate the edit wars are equally lame. Humans are diverse, and that diversity includes lots of lameness, so software design must account for human limitations. This is the basis of the field of ergonomics, to design for real imperfect humans, rather than imaginary superhumans. --Teratornis (talk) 19:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Posting Multiple Photos

This is my first attempt to post anything on Wikipedia.

I grew up in the subject Frank Lloyd Wright designed Edward Serlin house, watching it being built and even meeting Mr. Wright several times. I then listened as the story of the house was told time and time again to various architectural students and historians.

I have recently recovered a trove of old photos, some taken by my father and some by me (some with Mr. Wright in them) that were lost for several decades. I am sure these will be fascinating to fans of the Frank Lloyd Wright Usonian Home and want to post several of them. Is this possible? I seem to be over-writing each previous posting when I try a new one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Serlin (talk • contribs) 00:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. We have an easy to use upload form at Wikipedia:Upload and you can see Wikipedia:Images for information in general about images. There is also Wikipedia:Uploading images if you need help with the upload process. I also see that you're having trouble posting multiple images - be sure that you are giving a different filename for each one. Come back here if you're still having trouble. NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

what is gish and fish technlogy? how is it used?

can you explain the principle behind the fish and gish technology? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.7.20 (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello! Thanks for using the Help Desk; however, please only ask questions about using Wikipedia here. If you'd like to ask a question about specific knowledge, please try the reference desk. Thank you, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Auto-archive bots.

Hi. I've read that there are three bots which auto-archive talkpages: MiszaBot, ClueBot III, and MercuryBot. What are the differences between them? Which one is best? In other words, which one is prone to the least errors and stays up the most often? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 01:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

• I, for one, was hoping that someone with more experience with the three bots you listed would respond. All I can say is that I employ MiszaBot III to archive my talk page and, for the most part, I’m satisfied. I don’t have any experience with the other two, however. —Travis^talk 03:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo uses MiszaBot III. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 15:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Please see the logical fallacy Argumentum ad Jimbonem. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 20:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

site doesn't always recognize logged-in contributor

It has happened more than once that I have logged in, made changes or major edits, checked previews, fine-tuned my contribution, only to have a BOT revert all my work and accuse me of vandalism. I don't appreciate this; I am a highly-trained professional of many years' experience and my time actually is valuable. I took on the rewriting (nothing less will do) of two major articles, with several minor articles as offshoots, which require much research and correlation of information. To have almost an hour and a half of work undone is not acceptable. There is a glitch in your program. And it takes time to hunt through various pages to contact Wikipedia. YOU really have to simplify this.Freiherrin (talk) 06:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Threads or agreement etiquette?

I read somwhere that the colon used to indent a comment is meant to mean something, such as, if they are the same indent it's in agreement, and is a thread thing. I thought it was to distinguish one comment from one above in a section of talk (as in desk answers) so the number is not important. Now I'm curious – what's the wiki style? Julia Rossi (talk) 06:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Some discussions might be broken up into rough sections (formally or informally) -- requests for adminship subpages tend to be divided into support, oppose, and neutral comments, for example. Speaking generally, though, I'm not aware of any sorting method of that nature. The general idea as I understand it is that we'll end up with threaded discussion: someone replying to me would use ::, people replying to those comments would use :::, and :::: to reply to those replies. In practice, of course, it rarely works so perfectly -- I suspect everybody has their own ideas of what exactly the indents should be used for. There are usually better things to worry about. ;) – Luna Santin (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

All cool then, many thanks. Julia Rossi (talk) 09:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

The one time when a comment may have less indentation than one it's replying to is when the person chooses to "de-indent" on purpose, usually because the comment "cascade" has gone so far that it is likely to be pushing up against the right edge of some people's screens, resulting in hard-to-read text. At that point, they may choose to drop back to somewhere between 0 and 2 colons again. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 03:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Extra pages on user page

Is it allow to build extra pages on user page for weeks and months as it get googlelised, like on this one ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Simon_D_M

Thank you --Agenor 77 (talk) 08:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

User sub-pages are certainly allowed (and are encouraged for things like Archives). The sub-pages need to follow the same rules as the main User page. Those rules are described here.—Noah 08:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Most wanted Accused in Gujarat

I want to get Gujarat's Most Wanted List also those Accused who are absconding in diffrent Case —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.156.67 (talk) 09:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Greetings this section is for answering questions on how to use wikipedia (see bi-iig red banner at the top of this page). Try putting some of your topics in the search box top left side of page. Julia Rossi (talk) 09:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

mgt501 question:

The “One-On-One Selection Interview” is irremediably flawed because

it offers too much scope for the exercise of prejudice and favoritism. a) To what extent do you agree with this statement? b) Discuss alternatives to one-on-one selection process. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.107.137.21 (talk) 09:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

See what wikipedia is not in intro box, and we don't answer assignment questions. (edit add: this section is about using wikipedia in case you need to know.)Cheers, Julia Rossi (talk) 09:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Changing a headline

Dear... Is it possible to alter a "headline"? I've just altered information about a danish company, that is now called "NNE Pharmaplan" instead of Novo Nordisk Engineering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.73.54.255 (talk) 12:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Pages are renamed by moving them to new target names. This procedure preserves the page's edit history. If your account and it is at least four days old, you can move a page yourself; go to the article and click on the move tab at the top (near the history and watch tabs). You can then specify a new name for the article. The old page name will automatically become a redirect to the new page. However, if the desired target page name already exists, you will need an administrator to move the page for you, which can be requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

reliable sources and quotations...

Hello, I'm new here... I built a new page for Giacomo Marramao, a professor of mine who asked me to do it but the page has not yet been "wikified": there are 2 warning notes saying that the article does not quote reliable sources and that there are no internal links. How can I do it? My professor gave me his bibliography, complete with ISBN codes, and I copied onto the page, thinking there were all the necessary information needed by Wikipedia. But it seems it is not so! Please help me! Thanks

Dreammy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.167.199.170 (talk) 13:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. The templates placed on the article Giacomo Marramao both contain links to pages that will help you figure out how to do it. (Links show up as colored text.) The guidelines in the first template of note are Wikipedia:Manual of Style, Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context and Wikipedia:Build the web. Those three documents will give you some advice on organizing your article and on determining what terms in your article might need to be wikilinked to other articles. Wikilinks connect articles inside Wikipedia and exist so that a reader of your article who wants to know more about an important point can easily find out more by clicking on the word. As far as sources are concerned, the guidelines are Wikipedia:Citing sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I can't quite tell but assume that bibliography refers to books that the professor has written. The article needs sources for his biographical information. Can you provide reliable sources to verify both that he did this (At the beginning of the 1980s he was co-founder of influent magazines like "Laboratorio politico" and "Il Centauro".) for instance, and that the magazines are influential? Those are the sorts of things being requested. Hope this helps. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Since this person asked you to write the page, I would recommend reading over WP:COI as well to familiarize yourself with any potential conflicts of interest that could arise from your working on that page. I don't think editing on its own is an issue since your affiliation is not entirely direct but it is a bit of a gray area.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 14:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question

Resolved

I noticed that when viewing the page history of a protected page the rollback button remains in place (whereas the undo button does not appear), I assume if I click it that I'll just go to a screen saying something like "action restricted to admins" but have no real way of testing this without potentially misusing the tool. So I was just wondering if someone with greater knowledge of how things work could confirm it for me (there is no mention of protected pages at either Wikipedia:Rollback policy or Wikipedia:Rollback feature). Regards, [[Guest9999 (talk) 14:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)]]

No rollback feature enables an edit that would normally be prevented based on the user's permissions. So long as you are not an admin, the rollback feature should not work through page protection, and it should work trough semi-protection so long as you meet the criteria for editing the page.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 14:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick (and informative) response. [[Guest9999 (talk) 14:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)]]

Anytime. A rollback is basically just a shortcut that takes away the manual need to provide input by clicking save/etc. Otherwise its just a normal edit.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Checking if my edits were reverted

How can I find out which of my edits over the last couple of years has been reverted? Not just so I can contest them, but also know if I did something wrong. ----Seans Potato Business 15:55, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You may go to the page and check its edit history. Also, the page may have been added to your watch list (see the set of links on the upper-right of each page). If it is not on your watchlist and you cannot find it, check your user contributions (also linked above) for a link to the edit.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You have a lot of contributions. I don't know an automated way to search for edits that were reverted. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I would find such a tool useful, but there are people that I wouldn't trust with such a tool. Bovlb (talk) 19:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Fortunately, we don't have to trust anyone on Wikipedia, other than Jimbo Wales who has the final say. There is the somewhat similar WikiBlame tool; that suggests it should be possible to write a tool that track the eventual fate of all our edits. I think it would be useful as a learning tool, for example when a new user writes something "unwiki" and other users come along later and wikify it. If the new user is not aware of what other people did to his or her work, then he or she is likely to edit something else which will require just as much cleanup. It would also be interesting to know, along with our raw edit counts, how many surviving edits we have made. --Teratornis (talk) 17:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

page not showing

Resolved

Hi

I created a page a couple of days ago and yet it is still not showing in the search.

Will it show up later?

regards

Gandhilove —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandhilove (talk • contribs) 16:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You created a user page, rather than an article. A user page's purpose is to describe a user, and is linked to their signature; however, they do not show up in the search unless the User: prefix is used. See Wikipedia:What is an article? for more information. You can move the page into the article namespace by clicking on 'move' on the top of the page to remove the User: prefix from it, as long as your account is at least 4 days old; however, check that the page meets verifiability and notability guidelines before doing so. Hope that helps! --ais523 16:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Your user page User:Gandhilove has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet so it doesn't show up in user space searches either. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability seems to be established, so I have gone ahead and moved the article for you to Glenn Harrold. It still needs quite a bit of work to be a bit more neutral though.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

same name

We need help on a name question. Currently, under the listing for "The Voltaires" you have a U.K.-based band listed that formed in 2004. We would like to list our U.S. band, also "The Voltaires" in that listing, or in a different listing of its own. Our band formed in 2001; we have a CD ["all about her"] that came out in 2003, and we can be found on the website www.thevoltaires.com. What do you suggest we do? We don't really have a problem with the existing listing, but we certainly want to be included in Wikipedia. Thanks for your help!

17:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:BAND and WP:COI before creating an article on your band. If you decide to create one, I guess the obvious thing to do is to create it at The Voltaires (US band) and put a 'see also' link (created by {{otheruses4}} for example) at the top of The Voltaires. Perhaps The Voltaires should be moved to The Voltaires (UK band) as well, but that can wait until we see if you article avoids immediate deletion (the fate of so many new articles). Good luck! Algebraist 18:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

(EDIT CONFLICT)You could list the band at The Voltaires (US band) or something to that extent and put a disambig on the current page. However, I urge you to consider these things first. Please read over WP:COI as it is generally not acceptable to have someone write about a person/organization/band/company/etc if it is them, or if they are directly associated with it. If the band meets wikipedia's music notability criteria (and at first glance it looks like it does) you could request that someone else make the article at Requested Articles or Articles for Creation. Each one of these pages has its own policies and practices noted at the top so make sure to read each one and decide which one fits your situation best. --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 18:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Is this vandalism?

A user, not participating in any content discussion, notices a dispute bordering on editwarring and performs a massive revert, part of which cannot be undone because of WP:3RR, but for a large part destroying perfectly good edits that are not in dispute. Can/should this be considered some form of vandalism? He refuses to replace this massive edit with separate edits and leaves. How should we proceed? Regards, Guido den Broeder (talk) 19:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

While it may be in bad form, and be extremely lazy, it is not vandalism, though there are other ways to deal with the problem. I would strongly suggest an RfC on the article right NOW before the problem gets any worse.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 19:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Does RfC not require that both sides first try to solve the issues themselves? What if one side does not wish to attempt this? Guido den Broeder (talk) 19:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You are aware that 3RR only applies to 3 reverts within a 24 hour period? Arthena^(talk) 19:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

RfC requires that an outreach has been attempted. If you try to get the other party to listen to your side of things and they don't bother, oh well. An RfC will still bring people to the page to develop consensus one way or the other and that article looks like it needs it bad.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 19:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

There used to be more editors on this article, but they have given up. If the RfC does not help, I'll probably resign as well and let the pov-pushers have their way. Guido den Broeder (talk) 10:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand how WP:3RR prevents changes from being undone. If it's the right thing to do, then someone else will do it. Wikipedia has no deadline. Bovlb (talk) 20:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It does because a someone else does not show up. Nobody has responded to the RfC either so far. The point, however, is that since this massive revert other edits have been made, so technically a revert is simply no longer possible.

@Arthena: 3RR is not a free pass to make three reverts every 24 hours. Guido den Broeder (talk) 10:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I did not suggest making three reverts every 24 hours. Since you wrote that he left (i.e. not coming back), it sounded like only one revert might be needed. But it seems I don't really understand the situation. Arthena^(talk) 11:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

A revert now would destroy numerous later edits. Guido den Broeder (talk) 14:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Help on Userpage?

Hey there,

Can someone help me on the bottom of my userpage? It's mainly cut and paste, and I'm not too great of a coder. I just want my userboxes spread out into the large, blank space at the bottom right of the page along with where they currently are.

Thanks,

Perfect Proposal ^{Speak Out!} 19:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that part of the problem is < div > tags not being closed properly. For the userboxes, you can just remove the userbox top/bottom that surrounds them, and then put several on a line together (maybe 3 to a line). Then there needs to be some fiddling with tags and table markup to stop it going off the end of the page. Hang on, I'll have another look...--Kateshortforbob 22:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

On second thoughts, it may be easier to put the userboxes into a table, which is how I display my own. I've created a temp copy of your userpage here (hope you don't mind). All the code is the same, except I've removed some of what I think is table markup, which was making a few things sit funny, and put the userboxes into a table, which seems to be spreading them out a bit. Did you want them just on the right hand side of the page or all across? If it's not what you were looking for, let me know or ask here - I'm by no means an expert, and I'm sure lots of people here could sort you out! --Kateshortforbob 00:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Searching for an Article

I created an article 5 days ago and its still not showing up in the search.

Thanks

Motocross14906 (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could tell us the article, and the search string you're using. Bovlb (talk) 20:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably the Honda CRF150R and Honda CRF150F. It usually takes at least a week Motocross, and sometimes as much as 2 or 4 weeks. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

How long does it normally take...

When you write an article on Wikipedia, notwithstanding notability and verification processes, ow long does it normally take to start seeing that article appear when you type in the name on engines like Yahoo Search or Google? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.186.177.108 (talk) 20:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

As long as those search engines need to re-index Wikipedia. It could be anything from a few minutes to a few months. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 20:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I do know that deleted articles generally exit the Google cache after a bit over a week, so the same timeframe would probably be reasonable for new articles as well. --tjstrf talk 20:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

This question comes up from time to time, and it generally takes a couple of days to show up on the internal search engine but probably about six or seven days to appear on Google. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

One way to test Google's indexing delay empirically is to scroll back through your Special:Contributions and search Wikipedia with Google for phrases you added. Your most recent addition that Google currently finds would indicate an upper bound on Google's indexing delay at that moment. --Teratornis (talk) 17:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried this and found one of my edits from January 11, but the Google search does not find one of my edits from January 12 yet. Thus the Google indexing delay appears to be around 5 days right now. --Teratornis (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

new article

How do I begin writing an article about a new subject that is not on wikipedia?

Thank You Very Much

Holmesj3 (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)JMH

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

putting stuff onto ipod using wikipedia

how do you put all the stuff wikipedia talks aboout onto your ipod? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.182.90 (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, you can't put the text on the iPod (unless you intend to view it on another computer and are using your iPod as an external hard drive) but some articles have spoken versions (see Wikipedia:Audio) but you will have to convert the ogg file into an AAC or another iPod-friendly file. (See the Computing reference desk if you need help with that). Good luck! NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:03, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Strange Page with Ampersand in Title

I did some work on the article for the band Jason & the Scorchers.

The incoming link Google returns is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_&_the_Scorchers (I got it with http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jason+%26+the+scorchers&btnG=Search)

But the page that gets edited when I work on it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_%26_The_Scorchers

I am never able to edit the page that the link from Google takes me to, and it doesn't seem to pull up the info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_%26_The_Scorchers.

Any ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.171.197.29 (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there and welcome to the Help Desk! Now, about this issue; if you look closely, you'll notice that the difference between the two articles is that the 't' in 'the' is capitalized. Now, you'll always end up at Jason & The Scorchers because Jason & the Scorchers (note the capitalization) is a redirect page; you can view it here. Essentially, redirect pages try to remedy common spelling mistakes (for example, Barak Obama is a redirect to Barack Obama). Hope that helps, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 22:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

There are two issues. One is the redirect Master of Puppets just explained. The other is that the ampersand is represented by the string %26 in the actual web page address. If you click the "edit" button directly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_&_the_Scorchers, it takes you to http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jason_%26_The_Scorchers&action=edit, but when you save the edit, it shows up in the correct article (I know, I just tried it). If you go to that article from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_&_the_Scorchers link again, you'll see the change. I'm not sure why you aren't getting your edits to work; from your contributions, it looks like you haven't edited an article since August 2007. Please try again, and let us know here if your edits are still not showing up. --barneca (talk) 22:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but it still seems like something is a bit off. If you copy and paste the url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_&_the_Scorchers into the address bar of your browser, you get something different than if you browse to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_%26_the_Scorchers. This is also what happens if you browse from the link on the results page in Google here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jason+and+the+scorchers&btnG=Google+Search The page that comes up from using the link from the google results is the page that can't be changed via the edit button. That is the one with the old info that I'm trying to get to go away in lieu of the updated version. --68.63.20.124 (talk) 05:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

It's the same page with the URL written in two different ways. One of them has converted & to %26 per Help:URL#URLs in external links. They look the same to me and clicking the "history" tab at the top shows they have the same edit history. Maybe your browser has cached an older copy of the page for one of the url's. This will probably result in different times at the bottom of the window where it says "This page was last modified ...". Try bypassing your cache on both url's and say whether the same content is displayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is a cache issue. I have cleared them and tried on two different computers in both IE and Firefox. Did you follow the link from the google search results? If so did it display the page with the infobox and contents box? If it did then that is the correct page that I made edits to. The one I get when browsing from the google search results does not contain these items, it is still the old pre-changed page. If you search and go the page from within wikipedia you get the correct updated page. Something very strange due to that ampersand I believe. --68.63.20.124 (talk) 05:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I see the infobox in both cases. There are some ISPs which sometimes cache pages before the page gets to the customer. If you have such an ISP then you cannot bypass the cache and will get an old version until the ISP updates it. Can you try another ISP? Did you try clicking history on the two pages? The latest edit currently has edit summary "(Undid revision 184589954 by Barneca (talk) test done)" and is from January 15 or 16 depending on your time zone. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well maybe it is just me then. If you are seeing the correct page both ways then maybe it is some kind of ISP caching on my end. The history tab on both pages takes me to the same place (showing the Barneca revision last). But I figured that was because the ampersand gets URL encoded when clicking that link. As long as people are able to arrive at the updated content that is what matters most. I'll check back in a couple of days and see if the pages display correctly for me. --68.63.20.124 (talk) 06:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I too see the page correctly at both addresses, and have an edit button at both, and did yesterday too. I didn't know the problem PrimeHunter describes even existed, but it seems a reasonable explanation to me. --barneca (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there a place I can turn to when another editor accuse me of violating wiki policies?

Seems silly to bring this to arbitration. Is there a resource that review if a section violates any wiki policies? I brought it up in the talk pages but it wasn't resolved. The problem I have is if I am indeed violating WP:SPS, NOR, NOT#PUBLISHER, NOT#FAQ, NOT#CBALL and others all in one short section, then I really need to educate myself better before I do anymore edits. I have read and believe I fully understood those policies. Can you more experienced editors shed some lights on this? Here's the section in Mean Time Between Failures

MTBF is not to be confused with life expectancy. MTBF is an indication of reliability. A device with a MTBF of 100,000 hours is more reliable than one with a MTBF of 50,000. However this does not mean the 100,000 hours MTBF device will last twice as long as the 50,000 MTBF device. How long the device will last is entirely dependent on its life expectancy. An 100,000 MTBF device can have a life expectancy of 2 years while a 50,000 MTBF device can have a life expectancy of 5 years yet the device that's expected to break down after 2 years is still considered more reliable than the 5 years one. Using the 100,000 MTBF device as an example and putting MTBF together with life expectancy, it means the device should on average fail once every 100,000 hours provided it is replaced every 2 years. Another way to look at this is, if there are 100,000 units of this device and all of them are in use at the same time and any failed device is put back in working order immediately after the failure, then 1 unit is expected to fail every hour (due to MTBF factor).

The source I used was from a course reading material from Carnigie Mellon University.

http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/ece546.spring01/readings.html

http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/ece546.spring01/papers/mtbf.description

NYCDA (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't comment on the subject (well, I could, but not coherently), but I can see why some editors may be concerned with the source, which looks like it was originally from a FAQ newsgroup message, which is, I suppose, technically self-published. I read once that newsgroup postings aren't supposed to be used for verification, but I can't find where. I'm not sure where crystall-ball gazing is, unless it's referring to the discussion of life expectancy. I do think that the passage needs some editing: the sentence beginning "Another way to look at this is" could maybe be re-written.

As for arbitration, as far as I know, that really is the last step. I see that there's already been a request for comment initiated by yourself in December with discussion by 3 or 4 editors, but I'm not sure how many (any?) of them were previously uninvolved in the dispute. I note from a quick skim that several of those editors disagreed with you. Is there a related Wikiproject where you could request outside views? As the disagreement seems to focus on a source, you could try the reliable sources noticeboard for guidance or even mediation. ArbCom seems unnecessarily tortuous for anything but the most serious disputes, and I'm not sure a request would be accepted without going through these steps.

By the way, I assume you're talking about the article Mean time between failures (different capitalisation). Mean Time Between Failures is a redirect pointing, oddly, to Failure rate.--Kateshortforbob 00:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Not any more it isn't (that was a relic of a period when Mean time between failures was a redirect, btw). Algebraist 08:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I know about using Usenet FAQs as reference which is why I have made many attempts to find other sources. But my understanding of NOT#FAQ is the wiki is not to be written as a FAQ, not FAQ can't be used as a source. NOT#PUBLISHER = wiki is not a place for publishing your works which I believe I did not do. WP:SPS, it's pretty obvious I didn't published the Usenet FAQ so I don't see how this is self-published-source and as for WP:NOR, if the wiki is in line with it's reference material, it's can't violate NOR right? This is where my problem is, do I have a wrong understanding of those policies? NYCDA (talk) 16:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit: No editors have raised any concern with the source. As far as I know, I'm the only one with any concern with using Usenet FAQ as source. NYCDA (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

SeeWP:SOURCE. It explains what a verifiable source is and why a usenet FAQ is not a reliable source. Its a self published source that is not subject to any scrutiny. Anyone could create and publish such a source with little to know factual basis and pass it off as correct. For the specific section I am referring too see WP:SPS--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I already said I know about using Usenet FAQs as a source. There are other sources but the FAQ sums it up best.

PS I found the helpme template. Please reply to my talk page. Thanks. NYCDA (talk) 17:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

January 16

cant video and other media be used as proof of factual accuracy of a statement?

I just tried to create a page and had it reverted 4 times for being an "attack page", even though i also provided a link to a video showing objective proof that the things I said were correct, and not just some POV nonsense. are videos not considered as suitable as references to provide proof of the factual accuracy of something? if not, why was i reverted? Fubardoman (talk) 01:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The page you were posting is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Sorry. You may wish to see what Wikipedia is not or our community portal to learn more about contributing. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Also WP:V which answers your original question. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Search User namespaces

Hello, I want to search all user namespaces for a keyword. What do I type into the searchbar to do that? Thanks, Sarsaparilla (talk) 01:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Visit this link, and replace the searchterm (I used "keyword") in that link with what you are looking for. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 01:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

To get there another time, write normally in the search box to the left, click "Search" below the search box, then use the search box at the bottom of the search page where you can uncheck "Article" and check "User" and "User talk". In Special:Preferences under Search, you can choose which namespaces to search by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

If you find Wikipedia's built-in search too flaky, you can also use a Google custom search:

• Search Wikipedia's User: namespace

If by "all user namespaces" you mean you also want to search the User talk: namespace, that requires another search:

• Search Wikipedia's User talk: namespace

--Teratornis (talk) 17:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I know if somebody's an admin?

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How do I know? What's the quickest way to find out? I've made this mistake a few times now, including above, where I called Sarsaparilla one! ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 07:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Input the username at Special:Listusers. -SpuriousQ (talk) 07:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Some admins will advertise the fact on their userpage, generally with an icon resembling a mop. However, not all admins do this (some don't even have a userpage!) and the only thing stopping non-admins from doing the same is other users keeping an eye on it and reverting their addition. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 09:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Another way to tell is to view the user's log. To do that you click the log link under "toolbox" on the left side of your screen when viewing that editor's user page or talk page. While it isn't foolproof it is a good quick way to tell. Generally if you see any blocks or deletions in the log, you can assume they have at least had admin powers at one point. If there are none recently the person may have given up on or lost their admin privileges, but if any of them are recent it is generally safe to assume they are still an admin.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Special:Listusers/sysop lists all the administrators (also known as "sysop"s according to MediaWiki's synonym disease). Also see WP:EIW#Admin for everything you'd want to know about administratorship in general. --Teratornis (talk) 17:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

South African Air Force Personnel circa 1920

I would like to know how to access lists of personnel, non-officer, in the South African Air Force around 1920. My grandfather was with the RAF and then emigrated to South Africa at around this time. I believe he may have joined the SAAF at this time.

Many thanks for any help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.98.107 (talk) 09:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but my grandfather has dealt a lot with archives, and from what I have seen with him, things like this in general are only available upon official request from state archives. Call them or send them a letter. This is their webpage http://www.national.archives.gov.za/ --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

18 size engine

What is meant by an 18 size engine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.89.20.27 (talk) 10:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Who's Bob?

whos bob? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.203.141 (talk) 11:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Bob goes, "Wooof! Wooof!". No seriously, you might want to check our article on Bob. It has at the bottom, a list of people called Bob. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 14:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Page

How do you create your own page on wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Stain salesian (talk • contribs) 11:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition to the above, it's hard to tell from your question whether you are using the phrase "own page" loosely or mean that literally, but please don't create a page about yourself. Doing so would violate our conflict of interest guidelines, See also Wikipedia:Autobiography. Finally, please note that once you post material it is no longer "yours". You are releasing it under the GFDL and it may and will be "edited mercilessly" by others. Please see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles for further information.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

One other possible interpretation of the question is how you create your own user page (although, if that isn't what you meant, the following info might seem a little patronizing). If that's what you meant, it's easy. Just click on this link: User:John Stain salesian, start typing, and when you're happy, click "Save Page". Your red name will turn blue. If you want to get back to your userpage from anywhere, click on the John Stain salesian link at the very, very top of any page (next to the little person icon). If you'd like to play around with the software without mucking up your nice, clean user page, try experimenting in: User:John Stain salesian/Sandbox first. --barneca (talk) 14:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

How to Insert a Self Created Image

Hi Wiki,

I have created an image i want to use this image in a page which i have created Kunal1514 (talk) 11:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

• If you want to add an existing image to an article, type [[Image:File name.jpg|right|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, right with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See our picture tutorial for more information.
• If you want to upload an image from your computer, to put in an article, you must find out what license the image is licensed under. If you know your image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons, where all projects have access to the image. If you are unsure what license your image is licensed under, see the file upload wizard for more information. Also, please read Wikipedia's image use policy, because if you upload the image under a false license, you may be blocked.

Hope this has helped. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

View and edit watchlist

My View and edit watchlist has gone blank. What do I do to restore it? Thanks in advance. --Stormbay (talk) 15:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

This sounds like it *might* be a browser issue. I would try quiting it, and reloading, and possibly clearing your computer's cache.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Stormbay (talk) 19:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

kecksburg ufo

I need a copy of the Readers Digest Article on the Kecksburg UFO, dated Dec.5th,1965.. How can I get or print a copy of that article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kecksburg ufo (talk • contribs) 15:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, this help desk is for answering questions about Wikipedia only. For help finding information, please see the Wikipedia:Reference desk.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Call your local library and ask if they have the edition in any form (hardcopy, microfilm etc.) and if not, who would--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

REQUIRED AIR FORCE

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WHAT IS REQUIRED OF AIR FORCE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.248.140 (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 16:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Citation problems

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Hello I was wondering if someone could take a look at the citation I added on the page here: Velma Barfield and let me know why it isn't showing up correctly. To my knowlege I did it correctly and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Nicklinn (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. {{cite web}} doesn't automatically put the citation in <ref></ref> tags; you have to do it manually. Algebraist 16:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Nicklinn (talk) 16:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

See the instructions in WP:FOOT. --Teratornis (talk) 16:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

satyr

How do I go about locating pornunciations of words? For example, SATYR

You may want to start with the Wiktionary entry. Bovlb (talk) 17:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

DEALER & MFRS OF FANCY DECORATIVE PIPE

REQUIRE DEALER & MFRS ADDRESS OF FANCY DECORATIVE PIPES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.18.202 (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for advertising, this is for questions about USING Wikipedia. Please don't post such messages here. Thanks The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Review Me!)} 17:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

This questioner may be {{astray}}. Note that the word pipe has several meanings, so the questioner will need to be more specific about which type of pipe he or she wants. --Teratornis (talk) 17:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Review Me!)} 17:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Legion of Merit

I would like to add Horatio G. Sickel, IV to the "Recipients of the Legion of Merit". How do I do this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fostergoodwill (talk • contribs) 17:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Recipients of the Legion of Merit is a category. You can't add a subject to a category without there first being an article on the subject. Once an article is created, placing the person in the category is explained at Wikipedia:Categorization. I am posting a template below which gives some detailed information about creating articles.-Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Miss-spelled headline.

I have gone through the article and corrected the spelling of Scot's name, and corrected the names of his family. Also added name of friend. However, the main heading still reads Scott Halpin, which is incorrect. The correct spelling is Scot Halpin (one t). I am Scot's wife. I am a very reliable source. Thanks for your help. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinyounghalpin (talk • contribs) 18:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Pages are renamed by moving them to new target names. This procedure preserves the page's edit history. Please do not rename a page by copying/pasting its content to a new page name. If you have an account and it is at least four days old, you can move a page yourself, but please first review Wikipedia:Naming conventions. If you still wish to rename the page, go to it and click the move tab at the top (near the history and watch tabs). You can then specify a new name for the article. The old page name will automatically become a redirect to the new page. However, if the desired target page name already exists, you will need an administrator to move the page for you, which can be requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Up loading Pictures

Up loading Pictures. Quick question? Is there any type of copyright violation up loading pictures from our Wikipedia Germen site to Wikipedia English site? Thanks for your help. Shoessss |  Chat  18:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Many images used on the German Wikipedia are located on the Wikimedia Commons, which means you can use the images on the English Wikipedia as well without having to upload anything. If an image is uploaded locally on the German Wikipedia (i.e. is not located on the Wikimedia Commons) then it could potentially be moved to the Wikimedia Commons, provided it has a license that is accepted on the Wikimedia Commons. As far as I know, all licenses accepted for images on the German Wikipedia are also accepted on the Wikimedia Commons, but I don't know this for sure. To move images to Commons, you can use Commonshelper (checking 'directly upload file' makes it easier). I believe Commonshelper will only upload files that are correctly licensed for the Commons. Arthena^(talk) 19:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Racial Accusations in Talk Pages

I see that making racial accusations in talk pages are discouraged in policy, but is it enforceable? If so, what are the ramifications of these posts by the same user. Is there a warning template that addresses this issue?

[[8]] [[9]] [[10]] [[11]] [[12]] [[13]] Angrymansr (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The best place to start would be with Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Responding to personal attacks. If the initial steps don't work consider moving to the appropriate steps in the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution process.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Find an administrator on WP:AN/I, the admin will give the user a warning to refrain from racial comments and will block the user if he does not better himself --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I've politely let the editor know through his/her talk page that this is not acceptable behavior. However, because this is an anonymous IP address, there is no guarantee they will see the message or use the same IP next time.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Posting threads on the Mailing List

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Could someone tell me how to post threads onto the WikiEN-l mailing list. I've subscribed and all, just need a few pointers. Thanks. Rudget. 19:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

You should probably read this page: [14]. Arthena^(talk) 19:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, just got an automatic email and that's helped. :) Thank though, Arthena. Rudget. 19:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

protection

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The article …Baby One More Time has the page protection lock in the upper-right corner, and is in category "Protected due to dispute", but it is not actually protected at all. I am not sure how this should be remedied. Arthena^(talk) 19:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Rudget. 19:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

John McCain

I am trying to add to the John McCain page/artocle under political positions the follwoing:

In 2005, Sen. McCain was aaked about the now infamous Downing Street Memo. (Some time previous to the memo it had already been alleged that the intelligence had been "sexed up".) The memo recorded the head of MI6 as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being "fixed around" emphasis added the policy." It also quoted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as saying that it was clear that Bush had "made up his mind" to take military action but that "the case was thin", and the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith as warning that justifying the invasion on legal grounds would be difficult. Later, in the New York Times, Amb. Wilson would use the phrase twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat. Sen. McCain responded in a letter: "I am not certain that this British use of the word "fixed" has the same meaning which we might give to it in our country,…. " despite that both Merriam-Webster and Oxford give the same meanings for the word.

I cannot get iot to take, it appears in a dotted box anfd my links are not links. Help?

Ted Rogers <email removed for privacy concerns> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ted Rogers (talk • contribs) 19:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

There was a hidden space somewhere in front of the text. I was able to fix it by deleting all white spaces between the broken text and the area before it. Also, it is not a good idea to list your email openly. If you want people to be able to email you consider a link like the one in my signature.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Request to remove user page

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I would like to remove my user page: User:SyrinxZ/Home Décor Products. This page was created while creating a different page, and there's no need for it anymore. Please let me know how it can be removed. Thank you - SyrinxZ (talk) 19:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Tag it with {{db-author}} and it should be speedily deleted. An alternative that you could utilize in the future when you work on a page in userpsace before creating it would be to simply move the page to its new location in the first place.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 19:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Oni, I was unaware of the Move function at the time.SyrinxZ (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad to help--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Be aware that if you do use the move, there will be a REDIRECT left at your User page which will redirect to the new location. You can then put the "db-author" tag on your User page, or just edit it to include other content. Corvus cornix_talk 00:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Contributions

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How long will the contributions of old inactive users exist? Will the contributions also be seen after 100 years? Please leave an answer on my talk page. D@rk ^talk 20:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:Dark Kyle. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

copyvio removal

I received a copyvio I followed the instruction atleast I thought I did but it is still there. I stated that on the webpage http://www.ecpl.lib.oh.us/Flewellen%20Files/Icabodflewellenhomepage.htm at the bottom it states that I processed it? This was included in my email regarding the use of the material for wikipedia. I wanted to add the proper license but I could not find how to do it. Instead of being an editor maybe I should have just sent the information to an editor with an attached license and let them put it on the site. This is confusing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Proarchivy (talk • contribs) 21:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

remove and start over

Can I just remove everything Icabod Flewellen upload the page to you with the correct license and have an editor place it on Wikipedia? rita —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proarchivy (talk • contribs) 22:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I deleted it as an "author request" and as a copyvio. Yes, anyone can add information to Wikipedia as long as it conforms to wikipedia policy. You need to add the license to the web-page from which the information came. Woody (talk) 01:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

January 17

vandalism

Resolved

At the beginning of the article "Black Holes" there is a statement about black holes being caused by people - obviously vandalism. But it is only visible when logged out. When I log in and go to the page, the sentence is not there. Nor is it there when I go to 'edit page'. It's very odd. Another editor has noticed it as well - so it is not just me or my computer. Can someone investigate this? Thanks,PhySusie (talk) 01:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what was happening, but a cache WP:PURGE seems to have solved it. Algebraist 01:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The vandalism occured in Template:General relativity. As the page was semi-protected, it seems the semi-protected version was an old cache of some sort. Anyway, seems to be fixed now. Woody (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Wow that was fast!PhySusie (talk) 01:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

How do you add or suggest info for a page? I have important info for a page!!!

Hi I just wanted to know how to add or suggest information for a page. I & many others really love your page on Grand Theft Auto IV. I personally love all of wikipedia's pages. Ive just found some very interesting facts from websites,trailers,& pictures I would like to share with you for your Grand Theft Auto IV page. It's one of the most highly-anticipated games of 2008 & I have information on the release date,pedestrians,gameplay elements & more. Thank you very much.

Wikipedialover,Brandon Pickett

Contact me at <e-mail removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiddala (talk • contribs) 01:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Tutorial (Editing) on how to edit. Please make sure you insert a reliable source for your statements, though. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 01:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, welcome to the Help Desk! If you can cite your information with reliable, verifiable sources then feel free to add it by clicking the "Edit this page" button at the top-middle of your screen. If you'd like to discuss your addition with other users, just access the page's talk page; for GTA4 it would be here. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 01:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Question

How do I make new pages for Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roamin986 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and the help desk! Thanks for the question! Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 02:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

RE-adminship

Last night apparently my account password was compromised and someone used my account for some nasty vandalism. In the process of stoppping the vandalism the admin status was speedily removed from my account. Where do I go to request reinstatement of admin status? ike9898 (talk) 03:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The bureaucrats noticeboard would be the best place. Woody (talk) 03:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Plastic

who invented plastic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.85.230.28 (talk) 03:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! According to the Plastic article, ... Alexander Parkes, English inventor (1813—1890) created the earliest form of plastic in 1855. I hope this helps your question. In the future, if you'd like to ask a question that doesn't deal with how to use Wikipedia, please consider using the reference desk. Thanks and have a good day, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 03:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

OBC Certificate

Dear Sir/ Madam,

Myself is dinesh diwan resident of delhi, my wife before marriage belongs to karnal haryana. my wife belongs to other backward class.She cleared the exam of Assistant teacher from DSSB(Delhi Subordinate Service Selection) board . We have the OBC Certificte of Haryana, but they r demanding the Certificate of Delhi. While its not possible as One can get the certificate once in life. What should we do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.224.123.166 (talk) 04:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

psychology

what is the hippocampus? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.255.116 (talk) 04:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk! The Hippocampus is made up of two parts of the forebrain which help control long-term memory and spatial navigation. For more information, see the Hippocampus page. In the future, please ask any questions that do not have to do with using Wikipedia at the reference desk. Thanks, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

"Harlingen High School" article

It has come to my attention that under the "Harlingen High School" article, the school's address is revealed. This is a cause for concern. Nowadays, there is huge problem with teens keeping their confidentiality, whether it be on myspace, messenger, chat rooms, facebook, etc. However, teens seem to believe that merely posting their current school of attendence they are doing no harm to themselves. By posting schools' addresses, kids are put at a higher risk of being exposed to pedophiles and other harmful online acquaintances. Although as teens, we are told not to give too much information about ourselves online, we seem to be naive as to what is acceptable and what is not. I'm sure that by posting which school you attend one would highly doubt that someone with harmful intentions will be able to find their exact location of learning. Having schools' addresses on your site is dangerous! Thank you for reading my letter and I hope you can understand where I am coming from.

Nicole S. TX Age 15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.115.170.17 (talk) 04:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Your concern is understandable and admirable, but schools are government entities and their addresses are public record anyway. Also, I believe wikipedia does not remove sourced content except it the cases of Biographies of Living Persons, though I'm not entirely sure. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 04:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Template remove issues

Where can I find information regarding the guidelines of removing a template from an article?

For example, I tagged unreferenced template in an article. Another user removed the template without adding any references. How to solve this issue? Where can I find information about this? --Avinesh Jose  T  04:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest that you bring the issue up with the editor in question and discuss each others' reasons for adding/removing the template. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What shall we do, if it is not a registered user? Most of these edits often comes from anonymous ip address. --Avinesh Jose  T  04:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I want to create a disambiguation page for Tim Wilson. Should I:

• Create it at Tim Wilson (disambiguation), or
• Move Tim Wilson to Tim Wilson (comedian), use Tim Wilson as the disambiguation page, and fix/disambiguate the incoming links?

Note that I stumbled on this page via a link that went to the wrong Tim. Jfire (talk) 05:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You should move the existing article to Tim Wilson (comedian) or something similar and make Tim Wilson the disambiguation page with all the various Tim Wilson's listed. Euryalus (talk) 06:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Language

I want to ask the question regarding languages in this site, there are many languages except Urdu, please add this language as well because Urdu is also very common language.

Regards Ashfaq Ahmad Attar 202.163.96.68 (talk) 07:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Urdu Wikipedia is at http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/. --teb728 t c 07:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

masterbation

how to stop frequent masterbation i am a 18 yrs old guy and i need to certian techniques to stop masterbating as it disturbes my studies and i would also like to launch apage on wikipedia to help others who may be facing similar problems pls HELP Thanks for your help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.164.97.16 (talk) 07:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Citation system & citing forums or wikis.

My question is more of a case of two questions in one, though they're not exactly linked. My first question involves the coding for the citation system here on Wikipedia; how is it done? Is it done like a template? I wish to copy the code and adapt it for use on other Wikipedia-like websites (such as wikia, or wikicities) so as not to use the [___] external link tag in place of a source citation. However, I don't know where to find this code or what the "citation template" is to be called.

Onto the secondary question, are forums acceptable as a source for certain Wikipedia articles? Even if the subject matter is not testified by "experts", if the forum is a primary source is citation permitted? The same question applies for other Wikipedia inspired websites. Thanks for the help. Terek (talk) 08:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The citations are enabled with the extension mw:Extension:Cite/Cite.php which can be added to any MediaWiki installation, this enables the <ref> tags. We then use citation templates such as {{cite web}} within these tags. See also Wikipedia:Footnotes.

Forum postings are generally frowned upon under WP:SPS as anyone can log in and write a forum post, there is no editorial oversight and you can't easily prove who the poster was or whether the information within is true. 86.21.74.40 (talk) 11:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Why separate user databases ?

Hi! Why does each language version of wikipedia has its own user database ? That way one has to create a separate user account on each wikipedia he uses. People (at least I) already have "thousands" of different user accounts all over the internet (forums, shops, mail lists, whatnot...), so it would help a bit, if all wikipedias shared the same user base.

--Xerces8 (talk) 10:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Because that's how things started out, unfortunately. There is a plan to sort this out (see meta:H:UL for provisional documentation) but we might be in for a long wait. Algebraist 11:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Eric

where can tou check out Classification of living things? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.117.81.57 (talk) 10:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

try here. Linnaean taxonomy.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 12:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

next time use the reference desk.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 13:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

why my changes are deleted?

when i edit a page on wikipedia with correct factual information i later come back to find that my changes have been deleted and that the page is the same as before i edited it. why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjmextreme (talk • contribs) 11:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions I would say it is because you are adding a tower to a list of buildings. They are not the same thing and the page you were updating explicitly says "Only buildings with continuous occupiable floors (high-rise buildings) are included" and the reversion summary says "sky tower is a tower, not a skyscraper". Towers would go on List of tallest structures in the world and List of tallest buildings and structures in the world. 86.21.74.40 (talk) 11:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding a new page to Wikipedia

Where do I go after I log in to add a page to Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cfhost (talk • contribs) 12:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

well first search the title of the article that you want to create, and make sure you have spelt it correctly, and if it hasn't been created, click on the red link and start creating the page. also make sure that the subject of the article is notable enough for an article. see wp:note.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 12:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

wind

kindly let me know the different names for wind at different altitutes