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January 20

Multiple identities?

For the past little while, I've been patrolling the recent changes pages and wiping out vandalism with the help of Twinkle (and Friendly). I enjoy the challenge and I'm glad to help out. There's one minor drawback, though, in that all those edits create a daunting list to go through when I want to quickly look back on discussions I've been having. What I'd been doing (until recently) was, as soon as I logged in, I would check My Contributions tab to see if there was anything requiring further input (I help out on FPC and RD) before going on with new stuff. Now, my contributions list is a huge mass of reverted vandalism, with my "personal" stuff getting lost in the tide. Is there any kind of policy or guideline toward me getting a second account? I'm not planning on sockpuppeting myself; I'd just like a way to keep my anti-vandal duties from interfering with my enjoyment of the rest of the site. Creating a second ID was the best idea I had on the subject, but I'm certainly willing to consider others. Thanks! Matt Deres (talk) 00:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no explicit policy against that, as long as you make it clear that those two accounts are the same (links on the user pages, for example), and as long as you don't do any sock puppetry. I'd advise you to ask before doing anything that you worry may be against policy. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 00:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There's more info at WP:Username policy#Using_multiple_accounts. Astronaut (talk) 00:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Other alternatives would be (1) have a user (sub-)page with quick links to places you're particularly watching, for ease of reference (perhaps using "related changes" from the toolbox as well); (2) use your watchlist rather than your contributions to check for recent changes, either not adding pages you unvandalise to your watchlist or regularly cleaning out your watchlist to prevent it getting cluttered. Bencherlite^Talk 01:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips guys. One other thing I've just thought of - is there a way to hide minor edits from my contributions screen like there is for my watchlist? By default, Twinkle lists my rollbacks as minor edits. If there was a way to hide minor edits as well as the edits to user pages, I'd have a much cleaner list to work with. The thing I liked about using my contributions page as a starting point was that it would allow me to quickly jump to the section of the article where I'd posted; the watchlist only kind of does that indirectly. Matt Deres (talk) 03:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

creating a new page

I have a problem for finding a url to a page that lets me creat a new article. I guess my question is, how do I create a new page?

See Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article for instructions and notes on creating new pages. x42bn6 Talk Mess 01:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

population

How many people are there living in the world today? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.222.216.58 (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

According to our World population article, a recent estimate put the figure at exactly 6,641,114,623. In the future, please take fact-based questions to the reference desk. NF24^{(radio me!)} 02:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

remove search list

How do I delete or remove the list of previously searched items on Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.70.121.10 (talk) 02:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If I understand right, I think this is really a question about your browser, not about Wikipedia. On my browser (Mozilla firefox) I can click Tools-->Options-->Privacy and then there's a box I can check "Remember what I enter in forms and the search bar". I'm guessing (just guessing) that if you uncheck that, it will remove the list you want removed. If I understand you correctly. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This was asked previously: see Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 January 12#clear search history. Algebraist 04:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Can someone please assist me in setting up a wikibreak to end on January 19, 2028? Rhythmnation2004 (talk) 03:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Copy this code into your monobook.js file. However, if you are using a different skin than monobook, you will have a different .js file. See Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts for a list of .js filenames. Be aware that once you enforce your WikiBreak, there is *NO* way to change your mind becuase no one can edit your .js file except you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 12:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not to sure about this since I am not an administrator, but I think they can edit other people's monobook.js files as well. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 13:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, really? I thought that it was protected from everyone except you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 13:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Admins can edit peoples monobook.js. Woody (talk) 13:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The top part of an editable page is not editable.

Is this a intended feature of Wikipedia pages? See for example "Carbon offseting". The "Conservative definition" part at the top of the page is not editable. When clinking on "Edit this page" it does not appear in the editable text. How do I use this feature? Can anyone block his or her text? How can I edit or remove that part ? Thank you. Please also reply to my email address [e-mail address removed] Thank you again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.96.22 (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The "Conservative definition" paragraph has been removed, that's probably why you couldn't edit it. --Silver Edge (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Your post here was an hour after the removal. Maybe you have to bypass your cache to see the most recent version of the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment from Will2green

User talk:Zscout370 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This has become quite disturbing as my page keeps getting deleted, first of all my image got deleted supposedly because of Copyright violation, the image of which I created as well as produced for my patent...

Then my entire page was deleted for what ever reason I don't know, however I do assure you all the information was an original work by me...

Any and all materials not by me has been referenced...

Account: Will2green

Regards Will Green —Preceding unsigned comment added by Will2green (talk • contribs) 06:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Will2green was deleted by Zscout370 with the summary: "(CSD G12: Blatant copyright infringement)". The page ended with "Copyright by Will Green 2006" and I just deleted it for the same reason. You cannot claim copyright on Wikipedia edits. You must agree to license them under the GNU Free Documentation License. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials if you have the copyright. But also see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Original research. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Will, Similarly your image, Image:HP1.JPG, was deleted for reason WP:CSD#I4: You did not provide a copyright tag. All user-created images must be licensed under as free content. Your other image, Image:Run Motor.gif, will be deleted soon if you do not provide a copyright tag for it.

Admins, I’ll bet the original version of his talk page contained non-copyright-violation content. Shouldn’t the page be reverted to that? --teb728 t c 07:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

The version I deleted only had one edit. It was by Will2green in 2008 and ended "Copyright by Will Green 2006". The two earlier deleted versions only had edits by Will2green, by IP's which looked like Will2green based on their contributions, and by 2 bots and an editor giving standard messages about missing image copyright tags. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Small correction: The page history had the image copyright messages but they had been deleted by Will2green. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

how can i get an external link changed on a page that is locked

(Above question posted by User:EleInfo.)

You can request it on the page's Talk page. (The link to it is confusingly is labelled "discussion", just to the left of where the "edit" link would normally be.)--86.149.61.251 (talk) 11:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

When you post to the article's talk page, you can add the template {{editprotected}} above your post, which is likely to get you much quicker action.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking for a specific rule on Wikipedia

My question is regarding movies, games and shows from another language (Japanese for example) translated into English. When it comes to the names and terms used on a Wiki page, should should we use the ones from the original language or the dubbed/translated ones? Yes or No, please provide a link to the Wiki rule. Thanks Duhman0009 (talk) 14:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there! Per the Manual of Style articles on the english wikipedia should be written in english except when unavoidable. For names or proper nouns, the "regional specific" spelling and/or pronunciation can be noted (in parenthesizes) next to the closest english approximation. This is especially true for names with non-latin characters (i.e. chinese). For more information on specific non-latin examples, see Manual of Style Hope this has helped! --omtay38 16:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I forgot to specify, I wasn't talking about putting names in Kanji or Kana, I was talking about for a video game like Street Fighter where the character Gouki is name Akuma outside of Japan. Now Street Fighter is a Japanese game, so his real name would be Gouki, so should this last name be the one used on his wiki page and every Street Fighter wiki page where he is mentioned? Duhman0009 (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Naming conventions provides a list of guidelines. The convention is normally to use the most common english name. --h2g2bob (talk) 18:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I just read that, but it doesn't seem to apply to media in particular. Even if they are fictional characters, these are still proper names. Taking something closer to the English language, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) is the European title while Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (film) is the American title. The European title is currently used in the Wikipedia page, so how is that different from using the Street Fighter example that I just gave? Duhman0009 (talk) 19:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter is British in origin, so the British title is used, under our rules about regional variations in the English language. In the Street Fighter case, we use the most common English-language name in the English-language Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia displays in an unreadable font

Dear helpdesk

On my pc Wikipedia dispays in a bold font that is very difficult to read. 81.204.93.59 (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC) What font do I need to download or how can I change it to a 'normal' font? 81.204.93.59 (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Rik

What is your browser? Does it happen on all tested pages? Does it happen at other websites? Do you have an account? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

My Browsers is just plain IE 7.0. It happens on all Wiki pages (including this page), not on any other websites to my knowledge. I do not have an account. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.204.93.59 (talk) 17:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to your bar at the top and select view. Make sure that "text size" is set to medium and "encoding" is set to either Western European or Unicode. If either of these two setting is altered it can potentially screw up the way the page looks.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 17:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

You may be experiencing a bug in IE7 or it may be a configuration problem. Here are some questions and some things to try.

• Check the "skin" you are using in Preferences. Try the various skins and see if that changes things for the better.
• Have you cleared your browser cache recently? (IE7's online help will explain how to do this)
• Have you checked Windows Update lately? That is, are you running the most recent version of IE7?
• Are you using an English version of IE7 and Windows?
• Have you considered using Firefox?

—Noah 18:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Suspicious edits - want second opinion.

User:71.31.115.35 has made a number of edits that look like they might or might not be vandalism (number changes and so on). I don't want to revert them all without at least getting a second opinion since it's quite a lot of changes. Can someone else look over the diffs and see what they think? Pseudomonas_(talk) 16:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

They are quite probably suspect. I've looked into the user's first edit (to Aaliyah, which hasn't been undone as yet) which changed over 20 million worldwide sales to over 40 million. This differs from many other websites such as this which generally give over 24 million. Also, many of the user's other edits have been undone by other users.--86.156.182.144 (talk) 17:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Page moves

I'm familiar with the procedures for page moves but I'm at a loss here. Lying from You (the correct format but currently set to redirect) has a history from 6 August 2005 to 21 August 2007. Lying From You (the incorrect format but currently the "live" article) has a history from 22 February 2006 to 5 January 2008. Do I just redirect over the wrong title (adding any additional information to the correct title)? I hate to throw out a year's worth of history but I see no other way. Precious Roy (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Bring it up at WP:RM. This happens all the time, people are either lazy or don't know what the hell they are doing and they do some horrible cut and paste move that screws everything up.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 17:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually WP:SPLICE is the best place to bring this up. I will see if I can fix it for you though. Prodego ^talk 18:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Though User:PeaceNT interfered in the middle of the C&P, by also doing it, it is now fixed. Prodego ^talk 18:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks all. (Files away WP:SPLICE for future reference.) Cheers! Precious Roy (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

using wikipedia

how do you start a new page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simrama (talk • contribs) 19:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 19:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking for unclaimed money

Im looking for unclaimed money in stocks in the Bank of England from the railroad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.178.39 (talk) 19:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions about how to use the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We cannot help you. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What did I do wrong, here?

Yeah, I need somebody to let me know what I did wrong in this RFC template, here:

Category talk:Airline destinations.

I'm guess you can't have an "RFC on policy" except on policy pages. Correct? If so, then what should I use for categories? The article RFC template? As noted here on WP:RFC, there are no instructions on how to request comments on a category. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Your best bet in this case would be Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Unlike Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, CFD includes discussions on renaming, moving, and deleting categories; it's sort of an omnibus one-stop-shop for all discussions on categories. In this case, if your concern is that the category is unencyclopedic (and, presumably, should be deleted), then CFD would be the way to go. If you have a concern over an underlying policy related to the category, then the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) would be a good start. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I have edited the article on Religion in Sri Lanka and was dissapointed that there is not a picture of the temple of the tooth - most beautiful buddhist temple in Sri Lanka. Where can I obtain one that is legal for use here. Ismailmk (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Good question. If you were to search the internet (say, with Google Images), you'd probably find pictures, but they'd be unlikely to be freely licensed for use here. Your best bet is to either take a photograph yourself, or if that's not possible, then try Wikipedia:Requested pictures and/or commons:Commons:Picture requests. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

An excellent option is the flickr Creative Commons section. All of the images in that section are fit for usage on Wikipedia; if you can find a picture in that section, feel free to use it. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 01:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for use of pictures

I am a Supply Program Analyst with the 11th Signal Brigade. I have been working on a project for the past two years preparing all needed component lists needed for the brigade (over 1000 so far). After making these component lists, I entered all the components in a database that currently has over 49,000 line items. This will assist the soldiers in locating where specific items belong as lines may or may not have more than one component list it belongs to. I have FEDLOGed each line so that the soldiers do not need to to get the information they need. I am currently trying to make links for each line to a picture of the item or like item so that those less experienced get see what they are inventorying and/of searching for.

I have found many pictures in your website, but will not use them without permission to do so.

Once this task is complete, it will be fielded in NETCOM our head office and my picture will go to the Department of the Army FEDLOG section to assist them in missing pictures.

I have sent the copies of the component lists all over the world as it takes a long time for them to be made. If they use my component lists there is a savings of thousands of man-hours.

Thank you for your consideration. If you allow me to use you pictures, I will abide by any restrictions you desire and will indicate your permission to use the pictures on each picture used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.27.1.3 (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If you see a picture on Wikipedia that you would like to use, click on it. This will bring you to the image's information page, which should including licensing information. If you're lucky, the picture will be in public domain, in which case you can use it freely, or under a free license which will let you use it as long as you follow a few conditions (usually attribution to the original creator of the image and a copy of or link to the license, sometimes something more). If you're not quite so lucky, the image will be under fair use, in which case it has come from another source, which should be mentioned on the image page, and you should contact the source directly. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

In the interest of verification, this IP address is registered to the United States Army Information Systems Command, United States Army Intelligence Center, Fort Huachuca, AZ. --SSBohio 22:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

New-B needs help

IS there any one that can direct me in the right direction on how to post basic info on this site? I have launched an article "Lady VIctoria Luchadora" and I am getting a "Article Needs Clean Up"? Plus it is being listed a "orphan" with no related links. Any advice would be appreciated thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlegaspi (talk • contribs) 20:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a lot of information at Help:Contents, but the most relevant sections to you are probably Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia and the notability guideline. You've got 4 tags; all of them include links to more information, but here are some basics:

• Cleanup tag: for example, your text shouldn't be surrounded by those dotted lines. This is caused by having a space at the beginning of a line (this markup is used for programming code, among other things). The article also needs renamed to capitalise the person's name, which I have done.
• Notability tag: Subjects should be "notable" (important) in order to have an article. The guidelines I linked to above describe how a person can be notable. The best way to prove notability is by adding verifiable, reliable sources, eg. from magazine articles, reliable websites etc.
• Wikify tag: the article needs internal links. Some have been added already; for example Barstow, California has been linked to the article on that place. You can link to other articles by adding 2 square brackets to either side of the term like this: [[ article name here]]
• Orphan is like wikify, but the other way around. Find articles that mention this person and put brackets around her name to link to her article, or add a link to related, appropriate articles.

If you need any help, you can ask here. Wikiproject Professional Wrestling may also be useful, if you haven't found it yet. --Kateshortforbob 21:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, now that I look at it, is her name "Lady Victoria Luchadora" or is she "Lady Victoria" and Luchadora is a job description? If it's a description, the article title should probably be Lady Victoria (luchadora). Sorry - I don't know much about wrestling! If you want to change the title, your account needs to be 4 days old. Then you can click the "move" button at the top of the page, and enter the new name. Or you can ask someone here to do it. --Kateshortforbob 21:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

login failed

Hello, I am unable to login to Wikipedia with my account (Qwertyqazqaz). The password I've always used is not being accepted (and there is no alternative e-mail apparently.) Please advise, as I'd very much like to recover my account. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.206.228 (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do if you did not set an e-mail. You will have to create a new account. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:40, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Qwertyqazqaz has not edited since April 2007 and has not set an email address. As NF24 and Help:Logging in says, if that is you and you are unable to access the account then you will have to create a new account. You can place links between the user pages of the accounts. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

January 21

Guidelines for referencing video sources

What are the guidelines for referencing video sources? Is it sufficient to simply reference the name of the source or does the video itself have to be accessible. If the latter, is it acceptable to reference Youtube and other online video sources even though their copywrite status may be questionable? I have added a statement to a page referencing the name of the source but an Admin has told me that I must provide a link to a written transcipt of the source...the source is directly available on Youtube but it is a copywrited TV documentary.71.168.36.54 (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

No. YouTube is not a reliable source or external link, especially if the video in question violates copyright laws. NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If it's a documentary that's regularly re-aired or sold, you can simply cite the documentary with enough information that it can be found by anyone interested in doing so. If it was a one-time thing, I'm not sure. Note that in general a documentary won't be as reliable as a book published by a reputable publisher; if you can find the information elsewhere, you'd do better to cite it there. --NE2 00:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

From WP:YOUTUBE: "There is no blanket ban on linking to these sites as long as the links abide by the guidelines on this page (which would be infrequent). See also Wikipedia:Copyrights for the prohibition on linking to pages that violate copyrights." --omtay38 00:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Custom skin

I would like to create my own custom skin, but I don't know how. I want to make a skin that has a black background with mostly white text, as this is easier on my eyes. I thought it would be as simple as finding my personal .css MySkin file and simply setting background to black and text to white, but I can't even locate the .css file. I'd appreciate some help. HoCkEy PUCK (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You may want to check here and here for help on what you are attempting. This "feature" has actually been brought up on wikipedia talk pages a number of times but as far as I know has never been fully implemented. However, you are free to do as you please with your own css files. Hope this helps! --omtay38 00:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

See Prodego's advice below (wow, that's new!) --omtay38 01:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Copy this to here, save, and clear your cache. Prodego ^talk 00:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You know what, forget that. Go to Special:Preferences, select the Gadgets tab, and chose the black monobook option. Prodego ^talk 00:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! Much kinder on the eyes, thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 01:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Or it would be if it worked on article pages :( .DuncanHill (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I am working on that now, with User:Topaz's help. Also working on contribs pages. :) Original skin by Brian0918. Prodego ^talk 01:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, cool! DuncanHill (talk) 01:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

CSS people, this needs some updating. See my monobook history for the best version so far, I will continue working on it tomorrow, with Topaz, but until then if anyone wants to work on it... I think there is also a mediawiki bug in the way. Prodego ^talk 02:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Credit for entries before creating username?

I just made a bunch of comments on the Cloverfield discussion and decided I should probably make a username. Is there any way to get credit for these or does it not matter anyway? Thanks! Sorry if this was asked or is in the FAQs. Ryan M. (talk) 02:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to wikipedia! If you want, you can link to the IP address these edits were made under. Chances are, it won't matter in the long run and you can always look them up again. Again, welcome and happy editing! --omtay38 02:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! Where exactly do I do that? Ryan M. (talk) 02:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

On your userpage you could include some links to the diffs of those edits if you'd wish. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 02:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

Hi, I filled out info for a picture on Kafu the wrestler and it hasn't set up. Can you help me please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestlefreak (talk • contribs) 02:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, first, while it is generally good practice elsewhere to start paragraphs with a space, on Wikipedia it does nasty things with the text so I've fixed it up for you. If you're talking about Image:Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg, then it appears to have uploaded just fine. To get it to appear in an article, you have to put a link in that article, e.g. [[Image:Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg|thumb]]. To learn the details of image syntax, check out Wikipedia:Image tutorial. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 02:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You uploaded Image:Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg. You can place it in the infobox at Kafu by replacing image = Replace this image male.svg with image = Hurt Hurt Hurt!.jpg. See Help:Images and other uploaded files for ways to display it outside the infobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Return to an article after using a link

Grump33071.234.248.42 (talk) 04:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Why can't I return to an article I was using after using a link in it?

I don't know. Most browsers have a 'back' feature (generally involves clicking on a leftarrow icon or pressing backspace), but yours might not. Algebraist 04:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Granola lips

Why does this user have blocked and a blocked sockpuppet template on there user page, when there is no blocks listed in his/her block log? VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 04:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It was apparently vandalism and has been removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

question

how do u make a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samjor08 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

question

how do you create a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggmammy101 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation of a topic

I was looking for an article for an Austrian hiphop group by the name of Texta. Currently entering Texta redirects automatically to a marker article. How can I get started on changing a redirect to a disambiguation? I would like to do as much of this on my own/ learn how to do it on my own. Thank you in advance.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tristanape (talk • contribs)

I don't think a disambiguation page is necessary since the articles don't share a common name that needs disambiguating; at best a hatnote would be needed on the prospective article on the hiphop group (something like {{For|the felt tip pen|Marker pen}}). You can simply go the the redirect page and make it into the article on the hiphop group. However, before you write that article, please take a look at our notability standard for bands, and don't forget to cite sources. By the way, always sign your posts to discussion pages such as this (but not in articles) by typing for tildes (~~~~) after your post which automatically formats to your signature when you save. You can also place the tildes using the editing button which looks like this: . Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I have started a page but I dont know why it isnt in the form

that is seen on other topics? need help

Found what I needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewts357 (talk • contribs)

(edit conflict) You created Presidential Youth Services Award. Which form are you referring to? It can take days or more before a new article is indexed by Wikipedia search. Please sign your edits here and on talk pages but not in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been deleted. The name "Presidential Youth Services Award" has no Google hits but I guess it is the Kids award mentioned in President's Volunteer Service Award#The awards (although that article says 50 hours of volunteer work is enough while the deleted article claimed it was only awarded once a year). PrimeHunter (talk) 06:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I need help

with adding a new wiki entry can anyone help? Freemefromher (talk) 07:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freemefromher (talk • contribs) 07:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --teb728 t c 08:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

saving edits

I am editing the "Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps" page, and my edits are not always showing up. I'll change something in the edit page and then click "save changes" and the page will have all my edits like I want. But if I go on a different computer to view the page, or if I view the page the next day, all my edits are gone, BUT when I go to the edit page to fix those things again, my edits are STILL in the editing box, they are just not being displayed on the page. Why is this happening? Am I doing something wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuapeterson (talk • contribs) 07:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You may have to bypass the cache on the used computer. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it has something to do with the page, because I've edited other pages with no problems from the same computer. Any other thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.106.47 (talk) 08:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you try bypassing your cache? I notice your first post was while logged in and the second was not. This can display different cached versions of a page. Also, some ISPs cache pages. You cannot override that by bypassing your own cache. If you click the "history" tab and then click on the date of the most recent listed version then you may be able to see the current version (doesn't work if the history page is cached but I don't think it will be). PrimeHunter (talk) 08:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I bypassed the cache and it still isn't showing up. The other edits that I just made to another page are still there, but the edits I'm making to this page are not staying. I noticed that when I logged out, and closed and reopened my internet browser to the page, it didn't show my edits, but once I signed in to wikipedia, my edits were there on the page. Is there something wrong with my account or the page, or anything else you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuapeterson (talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I still think an old version is cached somewhere and others are seeing the current version. Did you try clicking the history [1] and the currently most recent date [2]? You can also try the normal url with something manually added to the url to possibly avoid a cached version, for example a '?' in [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

When viewing a page starting with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ the bottom of the window should say "This page was last modified ...". If you see a cached version then the time is probably older. The time depends on your time zone. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I clicked the history, and the most current version of the page is up, even though on other computers it's displaying a version of the page that hasn't been editing since Jan. 3rd. I think there are actually two different pages for this page, one called "Santa Clara Vanguard" and one called "Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps" when I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard, the title on the page says "Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps", and underneath it, it says (Redirected from Santa Clara Vanguard). But when I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard_Drum_and_Bugle_Corps, there is no redirect underneath the title, and when I view this page on different computers, my edits are there, they're just not on the "Santa Clara Vanguard" page. But I can't seem to edit them separately. There is only one edit box for both sites I think, but it's only showing up on one page. How can I fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.106.47 (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Santa Clara Vanguard is a Wikipedia:Redirect to Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps. Clicking on either one will display content at Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps (with a redirect message added at the top for the former). It's stored in the same place and cannot be edited separately. But it's not a URL redirection. Santa Clara Vanguard results in the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard and not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard_Drum_and_Bugle_Corps. They are distinct URL's to your browser and ISP and they may have been cached at different times, resulting in different content. If you want to access the redirecting page then you can click Santa Clara Vanguard and then click the link in the redirect message at the top, producing http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Santa_Clara_Vanguard&redirect=no. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

After clicking on a redirect like Santa Clara Vanguard, you can get the URL for the target page by clicking the "article" tab at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand why I'm seeing different content on the different sites? When I go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard, I get my unedited page, but when I click on the "article" tab on the same page, I go to a page with all my edits. I have cleared the cache on my computer; this just isn't making sense to me. On the bottom of the "unedited" page, it says it was last modified on Jan 3rd, but then I click on the history tab and I see that the current version was edited last on Jan. 21st (the last time I made edits on the page) but it's not showing up. Are you seeing that too? Is there something I'm missing? I want my edited information on the original http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_Vanguard page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.106.47 (talk) 04:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

article about U.S. drug Czar John Waters

hello... I attempted to edit an article on John waters. I simply added some truth to the article. I got a message back twice...saying I was trying to vandalize the article.

It was not my intent. My intent was to simply add some truth to the page.

I wont do it again... apparently you people cant handle the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.19.64.5 (talk) 07:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You added your negative opinion about a living person without a reliable source. Thanks for not doing it again. It is forbidden by Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Also see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Verifiability which apply to all articles. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not the place to express your own opinions. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Biography of "Sam Small"

Hi My name is Sam Small. It's a popular name and there's a posting under that name of a deceased English footballer. Is there a way that I can add info about myself in the same listing or create a different posting with the same name Sam Small? Thanks --70.210.186.207 (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. See Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If we have articles about two people of the same name then they are placed on different pages with different names. See Wikipedia:Hatnote and Wikipedia:Disambiguation for different ways to handle it. Without knowing which Sam Small you are, we cannot say whether you might satisfy WP:BIO and how a disambiguation should be best handled. (I will not post for at least 6 hours from now) PrimeHunter (talk) 08:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Blocking

Can you stop blocked administrators from being able to unblock themselves? 124.180.63.58 (talk) 08:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this is impossible, short of desysoping the admin in question. Algebraist 12:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

An administrator can always unblock themselves. If they must be prohibited from editing, a Wikipedia bureaucrat must de-sysop them (take away their admin privileges), at least temporarily. If this were not the way it worked then a rogue admin would have the power to block all the other admins in the night and bring chaos to Wikipedia (probably)... • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 15:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Slight amendment, only stewards can desysop and admin on the english wikipedia. Woody (talk) 15:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Page deleted

Hi all,

I created a page "Business Value Game" and somebody deleted it, so I thought I did something wrong. I created it again, tried to give all references etc. It was deleted again. I am not so keen in using wikipedia, but I found out that the reason was, that the guy who deleted it said it is advertising.

My questions. 1. If somebody invents something new which helps in a specific field. Why I can not insert this in wikipedia. Of course there will be a link to the website and of course there is not no much more about it to find at the beginning... So how I can do it right???
2. I found a page about planning_poker and I tried to prepare my text like this one, because I am not so firm, as I said before. This one is allowed and mine not. Why? 3.Caneverybody delete everything? Why the one who deleted it didnt ask whats the Business Game is about and helped me in correcting it instead of deleting it. I dont think, that he even know what this game is for and what I was talking about.

and last but nor least. 4. What can I do. How can I insert my page in a proper way?

Thanks a lot Marion Teckmx5 (talk) 08:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In answer to the questions:

1. The most important thing when writing an article is to make sure that you're using "neutral" language which doesn't make it look like an advertisement or promotion. This can be tricky sometimes, particularly if you're writing about something you really believe in or enjoy, but it's a very important thing to do. The second thing is to have independent sources which support the idea that this game (it's a game, right? The article seems to say it is) is notable. Have newspapers or specialist websites written about it or reviewed it? That kind of thing is what I'm talking about. 2. A lot of the time, an article on a similar subject to your own will be here because there were independent sources supporting its notability (as I mentioned in the first answer) or something like that. Looking at the article you're talking about, I'm not sure there are any of those offhand, so it might just be that nobody's discovered it as spam/advertising yet. 3. Only administrators can delete things, although other users can flag pages as possibly needing to be deleted. Normally, if someone flags a page that way, they should let you know so that you can change the page around a bit to try to prevent it from being deleted. 4. See above :P BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Your article is visible in Google's cache. It is, IMO, written in fairly neutral language. The big problem is that there is no evidence that the game is noteworthy - important enough to merit an article in Wikipedia.

Two of Wikipedia's most important policies are notability and verifiability. A subject must be sufficiently notable to be worth including in the encyclopedia and that notability must be able to be verified through references to reliable sources.

To oversimplify, if there are newspaper articles with enough information to write about a subject, then that subject is notable and those articles can verify the information in the Wikipedia article.

If you cannot find newspaper web sites that provide information for an article, then the subject is not notable or verifiable and almost certainly will be deleted. Sbowers3 (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing a page title

Hi - i recently created a page called Browne jacobson - which I wanted to do, but hadn't noticed the lower case "j" in jacobson - I couldnt see how to change the title of the page so created another page called Browne Jacobson - should i delete the first one i created? I'm guessing this was not the best way to do this - where did I go wrong!?

Cheers,

Rich —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjsmorley (talk • contribs) 12:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You can move the article to the correct title by clicking the 'move' tab at the top of the screen (next to edit, history etc.). See WP:MOVE for more information. Algebraist 12:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

No, (s)he can't. You can't move a page to an already existing title. Try WP:SPLICE to put their histories together (unless the first one's history is totally redundant to the second) and then have the bad title deleted using {{db-author}} (actually, this may end up not being necessary, I don't totally understand how history merging works, so it may get deleted it as a side effect). --Thinboy00 @260, i.e. 05:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Help/my account won't sign me on? (moved from WP:ANI)

Hello there, I can't log on to my account,

• I click the button "e-mail my password" and it sends the temporary password up on my email
• but when I log on it accepts my password
• then asks me "change" it.
• But when I change it says "invalid" password.

Why does it email me a password and when I type it in it accepts then asks me to type in a new one then declines?

78.148.107.145 (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like a cookie problem. (1) Clear your browser cache. (2) When you log in with the temporary password, uncheck the "remember me" button. (3) When you change your password, uncheck the "remember me" button. (4) If you get prompted again to login, use your new password and you should be fine. --B (talk) 13:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Bug in HTML tag: div dir="rtl"

I just read the article Mesha Stele, and there is a problem in the way it displays. The article uses HTML "div dir="rtl" tag for a section of hebrew transcription of the text, here is a copy of part of the article code:

== Text ==
The text, in [[Moabite language|Moabite]], transcribed into modern [[Hebrew alphabet|Hebrew letters]]:

<div dir="rtl">
<pre>
1. אנכ. משע. בנ. כמש.. . מלכ. מאב. הד
2. יבני | אבי. מלכ. על. מאב. שלשנ. שת. ואנכ. מלכ

... MORE LINES OF HEBREW HERE ...

33. ---------[ויש]בה. כמש. בימי. ועל[...]. משמ. עש
34. -------------- שת. שדק | וא
</pre>
</div>

== Translation ==

''I am Mesha, son of Kemosh[-yatti], the king of Moab, the Dibonite. My father was king over Moab''
...

Notice that only the hebrew text is inside the div tag, the problem is that the "Translation" header of the following section is displayed in my browser justified to the right, as if inside the div tag. The next line after the header is displayed correctly on the left.

I'm using English Windows XP Professional, Interent Explorer 7. I have hebrew support installed. Itaj Sherman (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I would bring this up at the tech section of the Village Pump.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 17:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Here in my sandbox I made a copy of the problematic part of the article, you can see the bug occures. I tried in another sandbox, you can see that adding a line of text "ADDED LINE OF TEXT", just before the "Translation" header, makes the bug silent. Itaj Sherman (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, I put it there Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Itaj Sherman (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Irregular reversion of article to earlier version

Hi.

Ref: article "Remo Four"

I have spent some time refining and adding to this article, including addition of images. Most times I go back to it (but not every time) it has reverted to an earlier version, losing all edits since (and including) 21:06, 20 January 2008 86.142.243.54

Checking history, all the edits are still there but don't show on the article itself.

Undoing 04:41, 21 January 2008 PixelBot and manually making the correction to (robot Modifying: simple:Remo Four) cures the problem but only until I next open Wikipedia when (usually) the edits and images have gone again.

Anyone able to advise, please?

Weydonian (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked the history of the article, and nobody appears to be reverting your edits or anything. I purged the page, in case that would help, but it sounds possibly like a small cache issue in your web browser. If it gets stuck at an old revision again, try clearing your web browser's cache of the page, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. (Generally this is simply a case of pressing Ctrl + F5, but varies across browsers.) That should help, but if it doesn't work or there are still problems, feel free to ask again. In any case, your edits are saved there in the article, so even if there was a cache problem on some of Wikipedia's servers, it should flush through and fix itself after a while. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 17:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing odd going on here. Another editor is simply working on the article as well. You have also overstated the problem as the article has not "reverted to an earlier version", rather, some of your changes were modified. This is the way Wikipedia works (and, yes, it can be a little irritating at first if you are used to other forms of writing where the author gets to own the article). The changes from 8 Jan to 20 Jan included additions by the other editor but also "re-factored" the way you had setup the track listing which seems to be a reasonable improvement. (I don't see in the edit history where the image disappeared, however, there appears to be a "fair use" dispute with at least one of the images in that article.) The best thing to do, if you have specific disagreements about edits would be to start a new section on the article's discussion page. —Noah 17:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Anakin101 and Noah for your advice. I don't think the latter suggestion is the cause (all contributions in the history shown AFTER Zephyrad's tidying of the track list (except the Pixelbot amendment) are by me, albeit I was not signed in for some of them). I've cleared the cache and things seem OK at present so I'll monitor the situation. Regards, Weydonian (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Anakin101 I would like to take you up on your offer of further advice. The situation still seems to be irregular despite following your earlier advice. I've used both IE6 and Firefox both with irregular results and, today, I went to the article on a computer (using IE7) which has never been to Wikipedia before, let alone the Remo Four article and, you've guessed it, the version as saved at 01:32, 8 January 2008 by Zephyrad appeared! Any help welcomed - thanks. Best regards, 86.142.243.54 (talk) 19:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Contributions under GFDL license

Isn't there a way to do something against the GFDL license? I mean, isn't that rather frustrating if contributions are existing forever? It's totaly unconfortable for me. D@rk ^talk 17:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

On Wikipedia? Simple, don't edit on Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Copyrights might give you more insight. x42bn6 Talk Mess 17:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the best known, international website where there are the most informations. I also heard that other users feel harassed about their saved contributions. D@rk ^talk 17:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If you don't want to release material under a free license, don't edit the free encyclopedia. This is not going to change any time soon. Algebraist 17:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

My aim is to edit Wikipedia but my only critism on this website is the GFDL license. D@rk ^talk 17:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Remember that Wikipedia tries to protect your anonymity: Revealing your real name or identity is never required. By staying logged in, your IP address is protected. And by using the secure Wikipedia, all traffic between your browser and the web site is encrypted. Also, with 195,237,303 edits so far, it seems unlikely in decades to come that anyone will be reviewing casual edits made in 2008. But if you really don't want to submit stuff and have it stored on Wikimedia's servers potentially forever, and reproduced and redistributed on mirror sites, then the best thing to do I'm afraid, is don't. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 17:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, understood. I was afraid if someone would create an account with my personal infos. I mean a person, who knows me personally and doesn't like me. Well, thanks, Anakin. May the force be with you. D@rk ^talk 17:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If there is ever personal info about you or anyone else placed on Wikipedia, you can request it be moved to a hidden part of the database where not even most Administrators can see it. Take a look at Wikipedia:Oversight. Oversight requests are handled very quickly, and only a small number of trusted users (specifically, these people) and Wikimedia developers could then access it. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope the admins are trusted users too. But I think so. D@rk ^talk 18:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Admins are trusted to do some things, for example delete pages and see normally deleted pages, but they cannot see oversighted edits. The GFDL means that if something is kept visible then there should also be a record of the account or IP address that wrote it. But the GFDL doesn't prevent things from being deleted. Many pages are deleted every day. For practical reasons (not a GFDL requirement), deleted pages are still stored and accessible to admins but not to ordinary users. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Special:Listusers/developer

I was wondering, why is the above user group always empty? Was it ever used? Why did they stop using it? • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, since developers are above all wikis they prefer to reside at Meta... so in this case Meta:Special:Listusers/developer is populated, although I wonder myself why Kate is the only one since there are more developers... generally though, the developer group is deprecated. -- Mentifisto 18:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe the main reason they stopped is that the powers they once wielded are now held by stewards and bureaucrats, so they no longer have an active role on the 'pedia. Algebraist 18:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Most of the actual "developers" have no special access on Wikipedia (though quite a few are also admins). The ones that do have it through the configuration files and the database. I believe all the developer group could do was lock the database but that's not done through the old interface anymore. Mr.Z-man 20:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Prophet Paul OkikiJesu

The stub that I published regarding Prophet Paul OkikiJesu is showing up on different names whenever I search for it on the web. What should I do?Esther Akanbi (talk) 18:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you created the page on Mr. OkikiJesu in Template:Christian-clergy-stub instead of its proper location, Paul OkikiJesu. Create the article in the latter and everything should be back to normal. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

government-owned utility company looking to post article

Hi,

I work for a government-owned utility company, with one stakeholder, looking to post an article on Wikipedia. I understand that companies posting must use outside sources for referencing and was wondering if that applies to government owned utilities as well?

Also, will I be notified automatically if someone edit's my page, or do I need to check daily to see if any changes are made?

Thanks very much! Ten Lee (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

First of all, once you create your article, it is not yours as anyone can edit it. Article ownership is frowned upon and considered disruptive. As for the reference question, references are required for every Wikipedia article. See Wikipedia:Cite your sources for information on that. You will also want to check out Wikipedia:Notability (companies) for inclusion guidelines. Finally, if you watchlist the page, any edits that are made to it are listed on Special:Watchlist. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Also see the Business' FAQ; it contains a few good pointers. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Untrue statement from WIKI

The following text can be found on Wiki´s main page:

"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit."

This is untrue, as some aticles are closed and Wiki doesn´t allow all articles to be written either. As a cognitive psychologist, I wrote together with a sociologist an article on Idiocracy as a social system. This article was deleted by Wiki faster than we could blink. At first we thought we did something wrong, but then on the secong posting, we got banned for a week. Due to this we have now issued warnings to universities in four countries not to use wiki, due to its management, which seems to be not scientifically open.

We are sorry for this, but we cannot let our students or population be misinformed by an incorrect dictionary. We will continue our recommendation to universities throughout Europe and propose a law against the use of Wiki in schools and universities in the EU region.

George Reek (talk) 18:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC).

We don't allow original research. If you want your article included in wikipedia, it must be published by an outside source beforehand. · AndonicO ^Hail! 18:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

We are sorry that you had a negative first impression of Wikipedia. Since we strive to be a comprehensive and reputable encyclopaedia, we have strict inclusion guidelines. If you give us the name of the article, we can tell you exactly why it was deleted and how to avoid deletion in the future. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia IS free... some articles are protected because otherwise they're overridden with all kinds of rubbish (vandalism etc.), and the article loses its quality. And your article was probably deleted because it didn't meet our criteria for inclusion... Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dictionary. That is also the reason why only certain articles could be included here.

Wikipedia is also as scientific as any other encyclopedia, but science isn't the main factor. An encyclopedia doesn't conduct experiments, it documents them (using primary sources too).

So please find out what Wikipedia truly is before doing anything against the use of such freedom of knowledge. -- Mentifisto 18:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi from another editor. I'm glad you're not taking everything you read on Wikipedia at face value, but I must disagree that the statement on the front page is untrue; actually everyone can edit it. Even with semi or fully protected articles, the talk pages of those articles are never protected. Anonymous editors, not even logged in, can post requests on the talk page of an article for it to be edited, possibly using the {{Editprotected}} template for a fast response, or make requests elsewhere (like this Help Desk) requesting the edit. As for allowing "all articles to be written", you're absolutely right, Wikipedia doesn't. See the list of What Wikipedia is NOT. Wikipedia is not for original research, as stated above, and is not for originally published theories. If we allowed everyone to post stuff they made up, then Wikipedia would be useless as an encyclopedia, and would have no reliability at all. There are many other ways to publish original information; but Wikipedia isn't one of them. (Notice that we focus on the edit, and not the editor; anyone can edit, but the specific content they try to add is not always suitable for the encyclopedia.) • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 18:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

To save others the trouble of checking, this user has one contribution (to this page), and no deleted contributions. Bovlb (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition I want to point out a few non sequiturs in the original message. Quote: We are sorry for this, but we cannot let our students or population be misinformed by an incorrect dictionary. How is this conclusion drawn? (even if we assume that the prospective editors were treated by Wikipedia as described). To not be allowed to write an article about Idiocracy is one thing. What does that have to do with the rest of Wikipedia being incorrect? This kind of generalisation is not scientific. I would advise the editors to do some research on logic prior to drawing spurious conclusions. In addition Europe is not a monolith. I'm sure the fact that two editors did not get to write an article on the worthy subject of Idiocracy will not create an avalanche of wiki-phobia. Dr.K. (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

To be fair to the questioner, the slogan: "...that anyone can edit" is an obvious case of overselling. The slogan is not strictly true, because Wikipedia could not function if anyone could edit it. Wikipedia relies on a battallion-sized group of administrators to prevent some people from editing Wikipedia. While only a relative handful actually do get banned, the threat of bans and blocks is a vital component of Wikipedia's enforcement machinery. The "anyone can edit" claim is similar to calling the United States the "land of the free" even while the U.S. prison population is the world's largest. In the United States, as in any nation, citizens enjoy certain types of freedom, and it's not too hard to follow the rules and stay out of prison, but nobody enjoys complete freedom. Not even a dictator like Saddam Hussein enjoyed complete freedom, because there were limits to how much he could provoke George W. Bush. President Bush, in turn, had to stand for re-election, and has his freedom limited by the separation of powers of the U.S. government. Everyone who lives in society has to trade a little freedom for a little security (despite Ben Franklin's hyperbole that doing so is always a bad thing - we didn't see Ben giving up his comfortable upperclass society for an isolated cabin on the frontier). And furthermore, the questioner is yet another victim of one of Wikipedia's user-interface deficiencies: the fact that we do not make it perfectly clear to new users who create new articles that their new articles are at high risk of deletion. Wikipedia is sort of like a ski resort that lets anybody walk in and with no training or experience go straight down the double black diamond run. --Teratornis (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The thing to remember about "anyone can edit" is that it's implicit in that statement that "anyone ELSE can edit". If you type something in and someone else deletes it, that isn't a negation of the priciple: it's the principle in action. AndyJones (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The way I understand it, if I held a party and said "everyone's invited", that doesn't mean "everyone can come into my house, smash my furniture, re-paint my walls, and steal my music collection". If someone did that, I would feel within my rights to throw them out and/or call the police. Similarly, anyone can edit Wikipedia, but if they're not working towards improving the encyclopedia then they shouldn't be surprised if they get blocked. In this case, the poster probably thought that they were improving the encyclopedia, but failed to understand what an encyclopedia, and in particular Wikipedia, is not. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

There is Wikiversity, where one can upload original research. Johnny Au (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandilizing

When I was exploring Wikipedia, I noticed a padlock in the corner of the page. Interested, I clicked it. It talked about pages that were secured, and I was wondering which pages were blocked by the golden padlock, just out of curiosity. There were some pages saying Template:Test1, Template:Test2 and so on. I wanted to know what it was, so I clicked the link, and at the top a message said I had vandilized the page, and I was banned from editing temporarily. I didn't vandilize, so I decided to click back, and clicked a different Template:Test(#) page. At the top it said it was my last warning. I want to know if it was a glitch, and I'm not really banned, or if something happened and I was blamed. I did not vandilize the pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.100.95 (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Those templates are templates that are placed on user talk pages to warn them not to vandalise - it has nothing to do with you vandalising. The padlock indicates protected pages to prevent them from vandalism somewhat. x42bn6 Talk Mess 20:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If you had actually received a vandalism warning, you would have seen an orange box saying "You have new messages", and when you clicked it, the message would have been posted there on your talk page. So you weren't being warned - all you did was find the pages where the warning message templates are kept. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 20:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It's like when you go to the hardware store and see all the signs on display. Some of the signs say "No Trespassing," but that does not mean you are trespassing in the hardware store, while the store is open for business. Because of our social upbringing, we generally know how to recognize the difference between a sign which is for sale, and a sign that is directed at us. On Wikipedia, we have a whole new set of conventions, which nobody learned in real life. Instead you have to learn the new conventions here by reading the friendly manuals. Wikipedia is unlike anything which existed before; just ten years ago, for example, almost nobody would have believed the Wikipedia of today could exist and function as well as it does. Even the people who started Wikipedia had no idea whether it would work. So to make something which is really different than anything which came before, the Wikipedia user community had to evolve a whole new set of principles and procedures, and these are still evolving. Which means you can expect a lot of things to seem confusing here at first. The familiar rules of real life could not have built Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Foreclosure process

What is the foreclosure process and timeline in California? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.98.122 (talk) 20:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Please refer non-Wikipedia related questions to the reference desk. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 20:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Convert

I am having problem with the dual conversion feature of Template:Convert at Lucien Lagrange.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to make Template:Convert/acre sqm. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome.... _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

user contributions lists nothing after 30 nov 2007 - yet user left comment on my talk page today?

subject should be self-explanatory. i don't get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=jkaharper&namespace=&year=&month=-1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastrophe. (talk • contribs) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

They did it while not logged in: [4]. --barneca (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that even allowed? How would one tell the difference between a logged out user and an IP forging their signature? • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 21:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

By looking at the history, of course. Unfortunately, it is possible to do, although for obvious reasons it's highly discouraged. About the only other way, I think, is if SineBot is set up to check the page in question, since I *believe* that it will look for a link to the userpage of the person who added the text, and obviously in the case of a forged signature they won't match. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the replies. i should have looked more carefully at the history. duh. Anastrophe (talk) 22:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Moving an archive?

I was about to archive a WP Talk Page for 2007 when I noticed that the 2006 Archive was "Archive1" I would like to move it to "Archive 1" so it would work with {{archive-nav}}. Do I need a consensus? It's not a very active WP so no one would probably respond. Should I ask first or just move that page and fix the links (the only link there is from the original talk page). Thanks! Deflagro ^C/_T 21:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I would probably just leave a message to tell them what you have done on the discussion page, just so that you can ensure it wasn't formatted like that for a reason! Therefore, if there is a problem, you can say that you left a message on the discussion page. I wouldn't be entirely sure though, so you might want to wait for another helper to answer your query as well. I hope this helps! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 21:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Time Zone Differences

In Nubio I found this article:

121: When is the Main Page updated? Why do you have the wrong date in Selected anniversaries? Why is the Main Page not updating? As an international community, Wikipedia is organized along Coordinated Universal Time, which roughly corresponds to Western European Time.

If the Main Page is out of date for you, most probably your web browser has cached an older version of the page and is not checking to see if there is an update. Try purging the cache to force your browser to get an update. If that doesn't seem to work, find out more about browser caching.

My Question is: Whilst I understand the statement "organised along Coordinated Universal Time", the following statement about clearing the cache doesn't apply if you live in a Time Zone that is in advance of GMT. I can't get todays (22nd January) main page and it's 8:26 am here (East Coast Australia). And Wikipedia is still at 21st Jan. Is there settings that can be changed so the current page for that day can be displayed allowing for your local time zone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.70.131 (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Main Page cache statement relates to the templates, if they have just been changed and it isn't showing, say at midnight (UTC). I am afraid there is no way of having time zone specific updates except for Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow. DYK is the exception though as that is updated manually. Sorry I can't help more. Woody (talk) 21:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If you live in a particularly strange time zone or are thinking of doing any time travelling, there's also Wikipedia:Main Page/In two days. The news box, unfortunately, does not carry news of the future. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 21:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The /Tomorrow bit was new to me (and the /In 2 days), are these documented or linked somewhere for the average Joe to find?.. as such it is an adequate fix to my problem, so i'll bookmark it!...Thanks for the info! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.70.131 (talk) 06:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

There's a list at Wikipedia:Main Page alternatives but that's not easy to find unless you know where to look. There's one on that list I wasn't aware of that may prove useful: Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (tomorrow+today). • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 13:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Template

Is there a template or tool, which explains what the userpage & subpages is best viewed in i can't seem to find references. →Dust Rider→ 21:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about what you are asking when you say "viewed in". For information on userpages, see Wikipedia:Userpage. For subpages, see Wikipedia:Subpages. To find a particular user's subpages, go to the Special:Prefixindex and search under a user's name. I'm not sure I'm helping at all. If not, can you clarify your question?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

When i was browsing wikipedia, and went onto some of the user's userpage & subpages it had a message at the top saying "this userpage was created in Mozilla Browser and may not display correctly in other Browsers" as well in IE 7, but i don't know if it was an actual template or a user made template. →Dust Rider→ 21:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a usermade template. See userboxes. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 21:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I've copied one of the templates and modified it on my userpage & subpages, since is not on the list i think you're correct. →Dust Rider→ 22:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Users do different things. This search finds many who have inserted the text "best viewed in Mozilla Firefox" without using a template, or by transcluding one of their own user subpages. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing Article

There is a short article on "Lean Accounting" in Wikipedia. This evening I spent several hours expanding this article. I have tried to bring up the article and it is no where to be found. The old short one has returned - but my work seems to be lost. How can I retrieve it? Thanks BMaskell (talk) 22:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC) Brian Maskell

If you mean Lean accounting, unfortunately Ronz deleted quite a bit of it. See this diff for more info. In the future, you can check edits on one page with the history tab at the top of the page. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 22:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You haven't made any edits to Lean accounting per your contributions. However, Ideasintoaction (talk · contribs) has made a lot of edits that have been reverted. You can see the page history (ie those people who have edited a page) by clicking on history at the top of the relevant page. Lean accounting history. See Help:Page history. Are you sure that you correctly saved your edits, or are you the other user? Woody (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Forgot password, changed email address so I can't get the new password

I was trying to login to edit my Wikipedia entry (. It's been a while since I logged in and I was trying to login. I apparently don't remember the password I set up for this account. I have a number of email addresses and when I click on the 'forgot' password link, it tells me that the password change info was mailed. However, I think the email account used is long dead. I have a number of email addresses but no email from Wikipedia has been sent to them. I did have a hotmail account but that account is deactivated.

So, how can I log back into my account? Thanks.

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do. You can create a new account and place text on your userpage to the effect of "I used to be [username]". NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Creating a page

how do you make a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bopol (talk • contribs) 22:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

According to Sinebot, you are logged in. _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 22:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ball parks in Yuma

Ball Parks in Yuma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.61.240 (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a mind reader, could you please elaborate? Also, if your question isn't about Wikipedia, please ask it at the reference desk. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

We have a Yuma, Arizona article, but it mentions nothing about ball parks. Ball parks are typically easy to spot in Google Earth, since they are large and distinctive in aerial photos, if you are looking for a ball park in a particular area. You could also check the Yuma Parks and Recreation Department page. --Teratornis (talk) 07:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

January 22

NPOV and interests

Why does WP actually encourage people who have specific interests (and thus, possibly, POV) to edit the articles? I actually wonder why conventional encyclopedias are written by people who are experts in the subjects (and, again, a possible POV) too.
I mean, I know that this is standard (it's just a personal curiosity) but what's the difference between a CEO writing its company's article and a person with an interest in dinosaurs writing about them? Both like the subject. -- Mentifisto 00:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The biggest difference I can see between the CEO and the dinosaur fan is that the CEO presumably has a vested interest in promoting his/her company and may end up writing the article accordingly. The dinosaur buff (at least if they're anything like I was years ago) is probably more interested in reciting as much information about the animals as possible, rather than promoting any particular agenda. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's see: Experts who like a subject are POV suspects. Non experts who like the subject don't know what to write. Indifferent people about a subject don't care to write anything. Indifferent experts cannot exist because they wouldn't care enough about a subject to study it. Successful experts who became CEOs of their companies pursuing commercial avenues for their research products are going to be accused of promoting their product and have a conflict of interest. What a mess. Dr.K. (talk) 01:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

This should be like a sign on the main Wikipedia page "Read prior to entry" :o)--mrg3105mrg3105 01:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Experts who develop the subject they research are suspect for WP:OR :O)--mrg3105mrg3105 01:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a warning "If you find this article interesting, you must not edit it." That would prevent any COI. DuncanHill (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Plus we should employ a Wikipedia profiler (similar to an FBI profiler) who would only allow depressed or otherwise disillusioned experts who, lacking any enthusiasm, would be sufficiently detached to mechanically recite facts with minimum risk of POV. Dr.K. (talk) 02:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Well, critical thinking is a kind of mechanical approach to thought, which is to say any two critical thinkers should be able to reach the same conclusions from the same data; or, if they disagree, they understand exactly where one or both of them hold beliefs that go beyond the available data (i.e., where one or both arbitrarily choose to think uncritically). Conflict of interest is a guideline rather than a policy on Wikipedia. WP:COI merely tells people who have a potential conflict of interest what to watch out for. If they are able to discipline themselves enough to write to encyclopedic standards, for example refraining from peacock language, the diverse community of Wikipedia users may judge their work to be of featured article quality. The Microsoft article, for example, is that good, and if anyone seriously believes that article contains no input from any Microsoft employee or stockholder, then I have a bridge to sell you. The article almost certainly contains input from opponents or competitors of Microsoft as well. The beauty of the wiki model is that people who understand the basics of critical thinking can rise above their personal agendas to some extent and converge on a neutral description of a subject through many iterations of collaborative editing. We probably have an even greater potential problem in articles about religion, because at least a businessperson knows when he or she is lying. --Teratornis (talk) 07:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think this thread is about the different meanings of "interested" that can only be spotted by reference to their opposites:

1. Someone who is interested (as opposed to uninterested) can and should write articles, and is likely to write good ones; whereas
2. Someone who is interested (as opposed to disinterested) should not be writing articles because of the likelihood of bias. AndyJones (talk) 08:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Image

Thak you for this help desk. I've been scratching my head for a long time but have been unable to find a solution.

Question 1: Why can't I see the image on Brazilian_waxing page and why I have to click on the image to see it. Is it because of syntax error?

Question 2: Images [[5]] and [[6]]share the same name but are at different locations (wikipedia and wikimedia commons respectively). How do you display the appropriate image in the relevant article? The wikipedia extended image syntax will apparently display only wikipedia image and not wimedia commons image.

[[Image:Example.png|thumb|right|Example image caption]]

68.62.20.94 (talk) 00:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Answer 1: The specific image is on a "bad image list", which only allows it to be included on specific articles and not on any other pages. You can request an exemption here.

Answer 2: One of the images needs to be moved. You do this by downloading the image and uploading it under a new name. Also make sure all the accompanying text is moved to the new page and than mark the old image for deletion. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Note, images and categories cannot be "moved" (see here) the only way to give an image a new name is reupload it with the desired name. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 03:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Invalid tags on images

The images at Vijay Arora appear to be mistagged (a movie cap as self-made for example) and also lack fair-use rationale, but I am unfamiliar with image use policy and don't know the proper procedure to deal with such a situation. How should I proceed? Doctorfluffy (talk) 00:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I went with {{di-no source}} which I think is accurate for those images. You can see other templates at Wikipedia:Template messages/Image namespace or you could list them at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. Hope this helps. Woody (talk) 02:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

For future reference, you might want to look at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images as well. In this case, I think the source is known: the movie, so this board does not apply. Woody (talk) 03:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Quotation templates

I'm having trouble picking out the correct quotation template from Category:Quotation_templates. It's for the Degrassi: The Next Generation article, and I want to quote a chunk of text from the Official book. What is the preferred/best option to do this? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 02:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I like Cquote myself. To some extent it is up to you to decide which quote style you prefer. —Noah 05:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I like Cquote a lot too. Note however, that it's technically for pullquotes only, and there are a bunch of users who get very hot and bothered about enforcing that technical distinction.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Pages under construction

Is there a way to tag a page as being under construction? I was working on a page about the molecular geometry "seesaw", but it was tagged for speedy deletion. For the most part, I do not have the time to create an entire page in one sitting, nor the energy. I would like to notify people that although the page is currently in poor condition or incomplete that I am still working on it so that it is not tagged for deletion. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skiaholic (talk • contribs) 02:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See {{under construction}} and {{In-use}} more specifically. Just add {{under construction}} to the page and people should wait. You could also create it in a WP:SUBPAGE first such as User:Skiaholic/Subpage and edit the article until you think it is ready. Then you could copy it over into the main article space. Hope this helps. Woody (talk) 02:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Aren't all of Wikipedia's articles technically "under construction" anyway, as new information can always be added? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 02:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes but in the initial stages of an article, it can be tagged whilst it is still being expanded and information added that would negate the speedy tags. Woody (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

A similar situation is when a user wants to rewrite a page extensively, and needs several hours. Putting {{In-use}} on the page reduces the chances of an Edit conflict during that time. It's better for everybody else to wait until the page become reasonably stable again. It would be silly, for example, for someone to fix a typo in a sentence that they don't realize someone else is in the process of deleting. The MediaWiki software does not tell us when someone else is editing a page, so we have the {{In-use}} template as kind of a hack to let other people know someone is editing a page right now. Normally this is not necessary if one is only making small edits to one section, but if you want to rearrange the whole page, it's nice to let others know you're working on it. --Teratornis (talk) 06:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Marking articles

Id like to mark an article as needing attention, how would I do that. Specifically Authors of the Bible --Omnipotence407 (talk) 02:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. You probably want {{cleanup}} or something like that. There are lots of templates on the link here. Hope this helps. Woody (talk) 02:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, you may find a template of use here. Happy editing! --omtay38 02:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia for blind people

Is there any Wikiproject or something which exists to promote the accessibility of the Wikipedia for blind people? DuncanHill (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility is what you are thinking about. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 03:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thank you! DuncanHill (talk) 03:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any tours?

There are many pages with lots of information about how things work and policy and whatnot. I easily get hyperlost in links. Is there a linear tour I can take? Are there tour guides? Thanks! Pi Pi in my face (talk) 05:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

How about the Introduction? —Noah 05:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

One way to avoid getting "hyperlost" is to edit your user page or a user sub-page with links to pages you are reading, to make your very own bookmark page. (I don't know how anybody can learn something as complicated as Wikipedia without keeping notes.) Another way to keep track of all the pages about policies, guidelines, and procedures is to familiarize yourself with the Editor's index to Wikipedia. There is also a book: Wikipedia: The Missing Manual written by our very own John Broughton. --Teratornis (talk) 06:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank You! Pi in my face (talk) 14:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

create page

How do I create a page or article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicVideoDepot (talk • contribs) 05:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Replied on user talk. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 05:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 05:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

For how to actually create the page, see my instructions at the "Create A new Page" section further down on this page. --Coppertwig (talk) 14:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

References on Straight ally

Hello, my user ID is Pjiman1. I edited the straight ally webpage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_ally) but could not get the references to work properly. could someone review and advise me on what changes I need to make to get the references correct? Thank you.

Pjiman1 (talk) 06:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Peter Ji

You came close, but not quite. Don't worry, it's easy to fix:

The reference section is generated automatically from the references embedded in the article's text. What you need to do with each one is place the references between the <ref></ref> tags after the statements they are references for. Take the statements you provided references for out from between the ref tags. (Everything between the tags shows up in the references section, with just little superscript numbers in the text leading to the corresponding references in the references section. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. The Transhumanist 09:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

industrial relations

causes of poor industrial relations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.214.24.105 (talk) 07:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Industrial relations. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that does not solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They will be glad to try and answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 08:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible to check on deleted articles?

After an article is deleted (Totally deleted, without leaving not even a redirect), is it totally impossible to check on the historial and previous versions of said article? Or is there a way? --Alexlayer (talk) 10:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Admins can access deleted articles. If there's a particular article you'd like to see, ask someone in Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles. Bencherlite^Talk 10:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, what Bencherlite said. And there is a deletion log (where anyone can see a dynamic list of recently deleted articles). Owing to the ability to view deleted versions, admins can often check on one another's deletion and make sure no one has stepped out of line. :) - PeaceNT (talk) 12:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Need the administrator's help

Hello. Please look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam#Introduction

I am very distressed about the situation. There are some editor refusing to back down and making us have "resistance movement" in the article about Tamil tigers. I have said many times that this is unfair as my friends were hurt in LTTE bombing and that if anyone tried to do this on article about Al Qaeda it would be reverted straight away if they said AQ was a "resistance movement". Just because fewer people are aware of the action of LTTE doesn't mean that this sympathising to terrorist attitude should be allowed on LTTE article just as it isn't on 9/11 and AQ. Please help Ismailmk (talk) 13:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that you take this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation which deals with this sort of disagreement. Woody (talk) 13:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

printable page wont print correctly

I tried to print the printable version of this page with Firefox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_musical_symbols and got black boxes for the symbols no matter what I tried. I opened it in IE and it printed fine. Same Printer Same Settings. This has me stumped and Ive never encountered this before. Any idea what caused this? I love Wikipedia and I know its not the fault of the page. 74.135.241.244 (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

If you google for "firefox bug printing png" you will see there have been a issues in Firefox printing ".png" images (the musical notes on that page are images in the ".png" format). If it is indeed a Firefox bug then your choices are to use IE or hope that an upgrade to Firefox fixes the problem. —Noah 17:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Create A new Page

How do i create a new page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexgreen00722 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. - PeaceNT (talk) 14:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Once you've decided to create a page, type the name of the page into the search box and click "go". It will tell you the page doesn't exist, and provide a red link "Create the page" to let you create it. Another way is to put a link to your new page somewhere, perhaps an appropriate link from another article, or just a link anywhere on your user page or your user talk page, for example. Create the link by just putting the name of the new page inside double square brackets, like this: [[Name of new page]]. <~-- without the nowiki tags, though --> Save the page you're editing, and the link you just created will appear as a red link. Click on the red link and you create the new page.

When creating an article, you might want to put {{inuse}} on it for the first while to show that you're in the middle of editing it, so that others won't delete it as being "too short" or something meanwhile.

For example, your user page currently doesn't exist. The link I just put to it, above, is a red link. If you click on that, you can create your user page, and maybe put a little information about yourself there. --Coppertwig (talk) 14:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Including image from French Wikipedia onto English

I'd like to include this image from French Wikipedia onto the English article Service des essences des armées. I'm sure this must be possible, but I don't know what markup to use to make it appear. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 15:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You cannot make it appear if it's only in another language Wikipedia. If the license allows it then you can copy it to the English Wikipedia or upload it to commons. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, he's talking about Wikimedia Commons, accessible here. If it's free as in freedom, you can upload it there. --Thinboy00 @242, i.e. 04:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hiding the Contents Box

How would you go about doing that? hiding the box at the top, that displays the contents of the page, by header section. (Xiaden, not logged in)

If you mean you want it not to display on a certain page, then this can be achieved with the magic word __NOTOC__. If you want to never see ToCs on any page, this option is in your preferences under misc. Algebraist 16:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

And if you want it to be hidden by default with a show link then you can use {{TOChidden}}. WP:TOC, Wikipedia:Template messages/Compact tables of contents and Category:TOC templates may also be of interest if you want to manipulate the table of contents. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello again, John

I am being unfairly watched by big brother... who will probably be reading this post. Anywho, after some verbal sparring yesterday, he blocked me. Now, he is editing my personal pages under the guise of 'attack heading'. Please note I have called my personal page 'Doucheblog' long before I had run-ins with this bozo. And the items I copied and pasted are also pasted with some of own work. I feel if I undo his revision, he will block me again... because he, well, I'll bite my tongue. Other then some verbal jabs given this past week, I have always been a constructive editor on Wikipedia. I realize I should approach this guy with this problem, but I don't want to deal with him, quite frankly. I just want him off my back. Please look at my side objectively, and not as an administrator. I just want the name of my blog restored without bozo (oops, let that slip) reverting or blocking me. --EndlessDan 16:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. The help desk is not suited for this. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

If you have a blog, it should probably be deleted. See WP:NOT#BLOG. --teb728 t c 18:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding a New Definition/Topic

Could someone provide a simple itemized list of the steps needed to make a new entry? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mojomstr (talk • contribs) 16:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article#How to create a page for one way to actually create the page. Some general advice:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela

I am sorry to tell you that I am feeling that Nelson Mandela page is hacked. When I have searched nothing was coming except word"funny".

Please do something.

-Hemant Bulsara —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.147.22 (talk) 17:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, someone vandalized the page. An automated bot has repaired it. —Noah 17:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

when I just visited the article it was fine, someone had sorted what ever problem there was. Edmund Patrick ( ^confer _work) 17:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you can click the "history" tab at top of Nelson Mandela to see what happened. The vandalism was reverted [7] the next minute. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Website Statistics for University Project

Dear Sir/Madam of Wikipedia,

I’m currently studying Multimedia Systems at a Degree level at Liverpool John Moores University. I’m contacting companies to help me gather research website data for my final year project, each company which helps me will receive a copy of my project findings at the conclusion of the project.

The aim of the report is to study why users return back to websites and what types of content people are most attracted to; the reason for this is that there are plenty of guides available which identify how to design an interface; however I couldn’t find any research books on what types of content makes a user come back to a site.

When one considers that corporate companies try to attract visitors to their sites to promote the brand, the use of the project comes into light.

17:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC) To complete the research project, I need website statistical data to compare with other websites from other companies, your companies privacy will be respected in the project and your company is not referred to at any point in the project, only as website 2, 3, 4 etc. 81.102.75.52 (talk) 17:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I would sincerely appreciate any help you may be able to offer.

Kindest Regards,

Craig Hands

BSc Multimedia Systems (Hons) Liverpool John Moores University Bryom Street Liverpool United Kingdom L3 3AF

Note that Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and not a company. It is operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit charitable organization. Wikipedia is written by a huge number of volunteers and anybody can reply to help desk questions. Special:Statistics has statistics for some things. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You might see the article about Jakob Nielsen (usability consultant) and visit his site, useit.com. He has a lot of documents about his research into Web site usability, which presumably relates to repeat visits (users are unlikely to return to a site they find difficult to use). Also read the Google AdSense article, and follow the external links to pages about how to increase AdSense revenue. Lots of people have written about methods they have use to increase traffic to their site, and click-throughs to AdSense ads. (You could probably impress your instructors at school by creating your own site that generates AdSense revenue exceeding their combined salaries, before you graduate.) Of course a substantial fraction of Wikipedia's 48,474,782 registered users probably consider online advertising to be lame if not immoral. You are, after all, posting your question on a site which embodies ideals from the Open Source movement. --Teratornis (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Guys, this looks like it'll be a huge help. I had a brief look at Nielsens books, but must have missed something along the way. The main aim is to look at why people come back to sites and what particular content people find addictive. It's true, that without a good interface, the user will not return to the website, but without that extra special idea to make the interface appealing, the user won't return to the website. It's interesting that wikipedia has become so popular, if you look around some of the Computing Labs, its uncommon not to see someone on this site, YouTube or Facebook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.75.52 (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Avoiding template categorization

{{you}} uses the {{inappropriate person}} template and therefore gets wrongly categorized into Category:Wikipedia articles needing style editing. Is there any way to avoid this, without using <noinclude> (as in this revision, which doesn't look too pretty)? -- Ddxc (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. {{wikify}} seems to accomplish this by doing a switch command on NAMESPACE. I don't fully understand it; I don't know what "ns:0" means (I'm guessing ns is namespace and 0 is mainspace) or how that bit works, but it looks to me that it puts one category if it's a talk page, another choice of two categories (with or without date) if it's an article page (I guess), and no category otherwise. (So the template, in the template space, would not be put in the category.) I might play around with this later and try to figure out how to fix it. --Coppertwig (talk) 18:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

{{inappropriate person}} could add an optional parameter to suppress categorization as described at User:Willscrlt/UBX/categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

For information about {{ns:}}, see: Help:Magic words#Namespaces and URLs. --Teratornis (talk) 21:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

How To

i Need to Know How To —Preceding unsigned comment added by XxRewindlabsxX (talk • contribs) 18:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand the question, what do you need help with. →Dust Rider→ 18:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe this could help you? --Thinboy00 @239, i.e. 04:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Why foreign language

At the foot of the article on e.g. Leo, Sayer his name is repeated in several foreign languages. Why? MrsBucket (talk) 18:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Those are links to articles in Wikipedias in other languages. Try one! NawlinWiki (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• See Help:Interlanguage links. When the page is rendered it produces links in the languages box to the left of Leo Sayer. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Creating a page

Resolved

 – user required to change user name to something less promotional. Bencherlite^Talk 21:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi: I have a user page: keepcanadaslim that I intended to be posted as an article - entry - posting - whatever. How do I turn the user page into a searchable listing? When I search 'Keep Canada Slim' it shows no listing. Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keepcanadaslim (talk • contribs) 19:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. —Travis^talk 19:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that the topic of your article probably doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. To be notable, the topic would have to have been extensively discussed in third-party sources -- that is, not only books written by the proponents of the system, but publications by other people talking about the pros and cons of the system.

However, here's the answer to your question -- if you think your topic meets the notability criteria. (Maybe you can find some third-party sources about it.) You can click "edit this page" at the top of your user page, and then copy the contents of the edit box with your mouse. Then, in the search box at the left, type in the name you want the page to have. Click "go". It will tell you there is no such page, and it will give you a red link "Create this page". Click on that link, then paste in the contents you copied from your user page. --Coppertwig (talk) 19:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

My guess is it would probably be speedily deleted for any number of reasons: advertising, lack of notability, and zero references. But that's just my guess. Try it if you want. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 20:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Citation

I want to ask what to do if an editor has misinterpreted the statement written at the cited source? Should i correct the citation and add {{uw-error1}} template at the editor's talk page]]. --SMS ^Talk 20:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

What exactally do you mean? Has the editor misused a template? Introduced factual errors? Could you give us a link? Depending on the edit the user has made, there are a whole slew of templates that could be used. Alternatively, you could simply fix it and forgo the warning of the user. If you need any more help, please don't hesitate to ask! --omtay38 20:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

See below (as you already have) I misread. --omtay38 21:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think what you're talking about is a content dispute. I wouldn't use any templates. You have several options. One is to put a message on the talk page of the article, explaining the problem. Wait a while (e.g. maybe a couple of days). If people reply, discuss it with them. If nobody replies, then go ahead and edit the article to fix it. If anyone objects to your edit, you can then discuss it with them on the article talk page. Another option is to just boldly edit the article now, without discussing or waiting first. If you know who put in the misinterpreted statement, another option is to put a message on that user's talk page, discussing it. --Coppertwig (talk) 20:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I am talking of article Bahria University. There is a para in this article named Pakistan Engineering Council Recognition and the statement written in the para and the cited source aren't matching completely! So thats why i was thinking what to do. Thanks for the help! --SMS ^Talk 20:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I haven't examined your case but tagging with {{Failed verification}} sounds like a possibility. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

While I agree with the users above regarding discussion being often more fruitful and appropriate than templating, if you are going to use a template, please see {{citecheck}}, {{dubious}}, and {{failed verification}}.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I looked at the paragraph and reference and correct me if I’m mistaken, but it appears that the paragraph simply needs a bit of editing. The information for the Islamabad campus appears correct, but the date is incorrect for the Karachi campus. If that is the case, you can simply make the appropriate corrections. —Travis^talk 22:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok! Thanks! --SMS ^Talk 12:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"of" or "in" in categories

In categories, sometime I see "of" used & sometimes "in" used, such as "Category:Parks in the United States" or "Category:Lakes of the United States". I know this is splitting hairs, but is there official guidance for which one to use? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there is – Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). Enjoy. Bencherlite^Talk 21:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with hairsplitting on Wikipedia. Only by reaching consensus on the tiniest details of our technology and procedures can we keep 48,474,782 registered users working coherently. What would seem unnecessarily meticulous in much of real life becomes more important as the number of people involved increases. By the time things get up to the size of an army (which is what we have on Wikipedia), everything must be "by the book." I.e., the process of building our encyclopedia must grow increasingly algorithmic, so we leave less and less up to the variability of personal opinion. --Teratornis (talk) 21:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I do hope that was sarcasm. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 12:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Category talk bizarreness help!

I just added {{CornwallWikiproject|class=Cat}} to Category talk:Truro and it is now displaying utterly bizarrely. Can someone take a look please? DuncanHill (talk) 22:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. What in particular is the problem on your screen? Bencherlite^Talk 22:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Same here, using Firefox 2.0.0.11. Which browser are you using? NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

(ec) ::It looks ok now to me too. It was displaying with no tabs at the top of the page (article, discussion, edit etc), no navbar and toolbox or logo down the left hand side, and multiple corrupted versions of the Cornwall Wikiproject template on the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by DuncanHill (talk • contribs) 22:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Safari on WinXP. DuncanHill (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot? Anyway, I think your stylesheet has somehow not loaded; clear your cache, purge the page for good luck and refresh the page. x42bn6 Talk Mess 22:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't think to take a screenshot - as I say, it seems to be OK now. DuncanHill (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

heath ledger

Resolved

 – another admin has blocked the user in question and fully protected the template in question. Bencherlite^Talk 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Some sicko has hacked the (newly deceased) page of Heath Ledger on Wiki and superimposed a large penis in apparent reference to brokeback mountain.

please see to it that it is removed as the man has only just died today and doesn't need to be ridiculed and disrespected.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.106.100 (talk) 22:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Page has been protected fully. Peace. x42bn6 Talk Mess 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Report Abuse

Resolved

All I want to do is let someone know that when I went to Heath Ledger's page today, there was a giant picture of a man's genetalia on it.

Please remove it.

Already done, see above. Bencherlite^Talk 22:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Heath Ledger Article

Resolved

 – Article has been protected; also see above.

This is not a question, but you'd better check the Health Ledger article. There is an extremely pornographic image at the top. Not sure how something like that happens, but I'm sure you will want to remove it.24.173.10.190 (talk) 22:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. It's already fixed. See above. --Coppertwig (talk) 22:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Heath Ledger

Resolved

 – Article has been protected; also see above.

Upon the recent news of Heath Ledger's death, I searched his page in Wikipedia. Saddly, I found that someone currupted the page so that a picture of an erect penis floats over the page. This is highly upsetting and should be removed immediatly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.242.115.104 (talk) 22:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been. Viridae^Talk 22:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent Deaths

Resolved

Someone has put an obscene image on the Recent Deaths page. Please someone remove it. Thank you. Polarbear97 (talk) 22:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Reverted, warned. Thanks for bringing this up. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Previewing references

I'm looking for a userscript which allows you to see the results of <references/> automatically when previewing a section of a page containing <ref> ... </ref> links. I'm sure I saw discussion of this at the Village pump or here within the last few weeks, but I've searched archives and not found it. Maybe it was longer ago. --Coppertwig (talk) 22:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You can temporarily insert a {{reflist}} or <references /> inside the section in question, preview, then remove it. This is now incorporated into Wikipedia:Footnotes#Previewing. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) Well, maybe someone will be along with some type of monobook fixamagig, but here's my solution. First, if you click edit this page, you can always preview references because <references/>, {{Reflist}} etc. will always be contained on the whole page (you probably already know that); but if you're stuck with a section edit, just temporarily place the reference section markup at the bottom of the section, preview will allow you to see the references propagate, then remove the markup before saving.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I guess that works reasonably well. --Coppertwig (talk) 02:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Separating notes & references

I have a question of my own about references. It pertains to Atlantis SquarePantis. There are several explanatory notes intermixed with the references. Is there a way I can split up the notes and references into two sections? NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh.... not really. The <references /> tag is going to display all <ref></ref>'s, regardless of their content, and there is no way to split them. I suppose it would be possible to use superscripted symbols, make them all links to a "Notes" section within the article (SpongeBob's Atlantis Squarepantis#Notes), and people would just match up the symbols on their own, but that isn't the most elegant solution, and does rather limit you somewhat. However, that is the only workaround I see possible. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Please help nominate Julius Gius for deletion correctly

Ive tried to nominate it but have done something wrong. cant fix it, must sleep. thanx Willy turner (talk) 23:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done Transcluded onto Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 January 23.NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProjects

I would like to start a wikiproject but i don't know how to get approval before i make the page. What do i do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LoneTemplar (talk • contribs) 23:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Council is in charge of project proposals. NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

January 23

say thank u to wikipedia

1st wanna say thank u 4 information...it's difficult to gather data for articles but you did it:)by the way do u have a complete list of php command?syntax?..& java? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammettslash (talk • contribs) 00:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Millions of editors sure make the job of collecting all that information easier. To answer your question, you can either look at the relevant articles or ask your question at the reference desk. For your convenience, here's some links to those pages: PHP, Java (programming language), and Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Also, you might want to take a look at some books on the topic on our sister project, Wikibooks: wikibooks:Programming:PHP and wikibooks:Java Programming. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 00:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Sections of pages in categories

I seem to remember a while back seeing categories which had links to sections within pages, and not just the pages themselves. Links to sections were italicized as opposed to links to full pages. I have not found anything in any of the category-related help pages which answer this question about how to get specific sections into categories. Does anyone here know what I am talking about and how to do this? --iTocapa ^iChat 00:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirects are italicized in categories. See for example Category:Redirects. And a redirect can be a section link. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

For a good example of this (used where individual entries do not require individual articles, but are likely to be searched for in a category) see Category:Disused railway stations in Cornwall. DuncanHill (talk) 00:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thank you for your help. --iTocapa ^iChat 03:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

See the following section for a just created example. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I Edit a "Category" page?

I was going to add "Pluto Planet Day" to the list of March holidays, on "category:March observances", but whenever I click on "Edit This Page" it brings up a blank slate with the category names at the top. what do I do? The Umbrella Corporation (talk) 00:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

In order for a subject to be added to a category, there must first exist an article on the subject. The category is then added by placing code in the article itself, which adds the article to the category. For example, if there was an article on Pluto Planet Day, you would add at the bottom [[Category:March observances]]. For an example, go to Winston Churchill which currently has more categories than any other article on Wikipedia (66!). Click edit this page and scroll near the bootom to see them. For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Combining this and the preceding section, I have created a redirect on Pluto Planet Day to Pluto#IAU decision to reclassify Pluto where it's briefly mentioned, and placed the redirect in Category:March observances. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Grandfather and father of Ann Davenport

Is there any possibility of anyone out there would know the grandfather and father of Ann Davenport? She would have been a transportee listed in 1658, likely an indentured servant who was associated with land that ajoined Richard Davis Gentleman, in Norths New Kent which is now King and Queen? unsigned

The Help Desk is for questions on how to use Wikipedia. A much better place for this type of question would be here. —Noah 01:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Email setup on my talk page

How do I setup the Wikipedia "E-mail this user" function on my talk page???--Sikh scholar (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences and scroll down to the E-mail section. Check the "Enable E-mail from other users" option. —Noah 01:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, if your email provider or email program has a whitelist you should probably add "wiki@wikimedia.org" so that the messages from Wikipedia don't get marked as spam. —Noah 01:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The normal "E-mail this user" is in the toolbox to the left and I see you currently have it. If you want a link on the talk page itself then you can make it with [[Special:Emailuser/Sikh scholar|E-mail this user]] (or another optional text instead of "E-mail this user") You can also look for something fancier in a search like [8] or by clicking the "edit this page" tab on a page where you see something you like. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

creating a page

how do we begin? we don't know how to get a title and how to get adopted. please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HauteLook (talk • contribs) 01:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

And for adoption see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User. --Silver Edge (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition to the above, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "adoption", but please see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User. I note in your post you say "we". I don't know if you mean that literally but please also see m:Role account.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And if your username is associated with HauteLook.com, I would also suggest that you read WP:COI. —Travis^talk 02:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Business' FAQ. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If you still need help creating a page, see my instructions in the section "Creating a page" further up on this page (where someone else asked the same question). --Coppertwig (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Cannot find history in article

There was paragraph for Heath Ledger concerning his death that I cannot find and I need to find it again as it is no longer there. How do I search the history to find this previous paragraph ?

I know the words but there is no search function

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_ledger —Preceding unsigned comment added by Towley (talk • contribs) 02:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Because his death happened so recently, the article is changing very quickly. The paragraph you're looking for can be found at Heath Ledger#Death, and all previous versions of the article are located at http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Heath_Ledger&action=history, available from the history tab at the top of the page. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 02:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

question for homework

who is the author of wikpedia? and who sposors wikpedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.27.225 (talk) 04:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question, since Wikipedia can be edited by anbody, there is no "real" author. Anybody who has added info to Wikipedia including you can be considered an "author". As for who sponsers Wikipedia, Wikipedia is owned by the Wikimedia Foundation which manages and pays for Wikipedia. --Hdt83 ^Chat 04:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Since this is for homework, you may be after Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The answer to your first question is at Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia. The answer to your second question can be found at Wikipedia:Overview FAQ, where it says Who owns Wikipedia?. More general information is at Wikipedia:About. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 13:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Help creating user pages

I have seen user pages (but not the user page or talk page) that have been created to store information (e.g. working versions of documents) but don't know how to create them. Could someone tell me what is involved? I want a page where I can put a fairly long discussion that I don't want to gum up someone's Talk page with.

Thank you, Jgui (talk) 05:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User page and Wikipedia:Subpages. You can for example create User:Jgui/Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Subpage - thats what I want. Thank you!!!! Jgui (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I can not Log In

I am a user with the Id "Dagoflores", suddendly my password was not recognized. I have requested a NEW PASSWORD, to be sent to [ email removed ], but I have not received anything. I wonder I am banned?. MEXICO: AGS. --189.166.14.226 (talk) 06:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No if you were banned you'd be able to log in but wouldn't be able to edit. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 06:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Dagoflores only has 2 edits 3 years ago. If it's you and Help:Logging in doesn't help then you can just create a new account. If you have an account in another Wikipedia language or any other wiki then it doesn't work here. Google found a more active user at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Dagoflores. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Global Trust Bank Scandal

I need more information on GTB Scandal as what happened? what went wrong? How it was controlled? Who were the people behind it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.145.55 (talk) 06:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! This is the Wikipedia Help Desk, a place where editors can come with questions concerning the use and editing of wikipedia. Your question may be better suited over at the Reference desk Best regards! --omtay38 06:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You can also try a Google search on GTB collapse. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

How can I delete my contribution

Dear Sir/Madam

I would like to delete my contribution file to Wikipedia and would be grateful if you could help me delete it.

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Umut —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukiyak (talk • contribs) 08:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've done it for you.Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[Show] and [Hide] in templates

Is there anywhere in Special:Preferences where I can make all the templates with a [Show] or [Hide] tag automatically be set so they are automatically/permanently showing? I've tried looking in the prefs, but didn't notice it.. If not, is there a code to add to the monobook.js that will allow it? Thanks!! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 08:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

price enquiry

Dear Sir,

I am tin moe Myint from myanmar. Would to like to ask my question that is the price of magnesite(MgCo3)? I will very please to know your information.

Thanks & regards, Tin Moe Myint(Mrs) General manager International Best Service Co., Ltd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.161.139 (talk) 08:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Err, sorry this is an online encyclopedia. Why not try a Google search [9] for help on current prices? Pedro :  Chat  12:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

How can i add a link and new searchengine keyword.

Hi,

This is Sandeep. I would like to know how can i add a link for the text that is in code base it looks like this <a href="http://www.wikipedia.org">Wikipedia</a>. When i go to edit page option also the code is not excuting and showing the same what i write there inside the textbox.

and the next one is if i would like to add a new keywords means where can i add. For example in search box we will type something naa like that.

Please let me know the ansers as soon as possible.

Thanks & Regards, Sandeep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gvsandeep (talk • contribs) 08:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I think you're trying to insert a URL into an article. You don't need to use html coding. If you put the link inside square brackets like this [http://www.example.org] then it will work like this [10]. Please remember that external links are generally best at the end of an article unless they are in-line citations. Thanks! Pedro :  Chat  09:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Also see the Wikipedia reference and guidelines for adding external links for more information and to be certain that the link is appropriate for inclusion. Thanks —Travis^talk 12:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"Old references"

I've been adding references back into an article I'm working on, on a few occasions, but one user insists on taking them out. Usually she gives no reason why in the edit history, but the most recent time I called her up on it. She went and removed them again, saying "Do not need old references - old references = old news. Save the references for future release dates." The references are regarding release dates for DVDs of a TV show.

Who is right on this issue? If the season DVDs have been released, is it necessary to reference the release date for each region they're released in (in this case 1, 2 and 4). I thought that anything factual that can be referenced, should be. In fact, her comment, "Save the references for future release dates" seems a bit strange considering how future events have not occurred and therefore cannot be completely verified. Even if the publisher releases the information, it can still change until it actually happens. Any clarification appreciated. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 09:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It's always harder to analyze a situation in the hypothetical (a diff would be great). I searched in the edit history of Degrassi: The Next Generation as a guess at the relevant article for the material you quoted but didn't find it. In any event, there may be a good basis for removal of information on future releases under for example WP:CRYSTAL, and its source as well, as part and parcel of that information removal, but it's difficult to imagine any circumstance where a reference to a reliable source should be removed when the information it verifies remains.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

School admission

Regading admission of your school, what we do, please advise us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.4.107.10 (talk) 09:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that the web site you are at now is Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia.

Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. For something like school admissions though you should contact the school directly. Best of luck. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 13:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

protection

we are the originators of the Peristaltic pump page but our links (linking to our website) keep getting changed by others? Is there anyway we can protect this from happening? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristaltic_pump#Applications —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.180.66 (talk) 10:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an advertising space, external links that are irrelevant and add nothing to the article are removed.--Kerotan^{Leave Me a Message} Have a nice day :) 10:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, please see WP:OWN - this is a wiki and as such articles can be edited mercilessly by anyone! Thanks! Pedro :  Chat  10:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for bringing our attention to the spam on the articles peristaltic pump and pump. It's now been removed from both articles. Have a nice day! • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 13:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

My article is an orphened article, how can it be my own.

Respected Sir/Madam!
I gave an article on wiki about my villege Basirpur so that people can easily know about it. But the article is said to ba An Orphened Article always. Kindly guide me to make it registered with me/wiki.
Thankyou,
waqas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awais.waqas (talk • contribs) 12:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't Panic! The article is "orphaned" because few other pages in Wikipedia link to it. This will hopefully improve over time. It does not mean the article will be deleted or anything. The notice is there so that hopefully editors will find other articles where it would be sensible to to link them (via a blue link) to the Basirpur article. Pedro :  Chat  12:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried to find other pages that could link to Basirpur. I typed "Basirpur" into the search box and clicked "search". I found three pages that have the word "Basirpur" in them. I was going to put double square brackets around them like this [[Basirpur]] , but I saw that they already had the brackets: they were already links. So, there were three articles linking to the page Basirpur. I think maybe three is not too small a number, so I deleted the orphaned tag from the Basirpur article.

If you can think of other pages that should talk about Basirpur a little bit, you can go to those pages and put in the word Basirpur in a sentence somewhere, and put the square brackets so that it will link to the Basirpur page. Then the article won't be orphaned. It would be good to have more than three other pages linking to it, but only if saying Basirpur on those pages makes those pages better somehow. --Coppertwig (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

How do i create an article on a person whos name is being used on another artical for another person?

i really need help! im wanting to create an article on a famous soccer player named David Moffat but there is a journalist by the same name, how do i create an article on the soccer player? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bresciano2323 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Easy, call it David Moffat (footballer)! Mjroots (talk) 13:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed as per Henry White (footballer). Also check out WP:SOCCER for templates (in the manual of style section). Pedro :  Chat  13:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and you may wish to use a disambig template at the top of David Moffat - e.g. {{otheruses}} or similar. Pedro :  Chat  13:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Hatnote and Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Does he satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people)? I couldn't find a famous soccer player in some quick Google searches. Who has he played for? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Zoo Template

You only posted a headline. Maybe you are looking for {{Infobox zoo}}? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Question copied here from Help Desk talk page:

I noticed when Template:Future zoo exhibit is placed an an article, it also places the Category:Zoo on the article. Is there a way to use this template without having that category also appear on the article? Also, like to maintain having the template itself appear in the Zoo category. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Currently, it cannot be used without adding the category. Template:Future zoo exhibit could be edited to add an optional parameter to suppress categorization as described at User:Willscrlt/UBX/categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, i'll check it out. FieldMarine (talk) 16:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Religion?politics.

Why would a blond haired and blue eyed Jesus try hiding in Egypt until he was seven years old? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.106.146 (talk) 13:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I doubt the answer involves Wikipedia. Sorry to be dull but this help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia and not for jokes, especially if they may be offensive to some people. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If your point is "Wouldn't it be great if we had an intelligent, informed, and unbiased discussion about the race of Jesus?" then please click here; when done reading join in on the article's talk page. —Noah 14:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Using JavaScript for things that HTML does is very stupid.

Computers do a lot of work -- a lot of work that doesn't need doing. --Michael Litwyn

If you assume that my subject is correct, then which of the following preference checkboxes is also very stupid?

Enable section editing via [edit] links
Enable section editing by right-clicking on section title(JavaScript)

A style recommendation says that headings should not be links. I disagree with the style recommendation, because it justifies itself by saying that some browsers might not know how to interpret this (I hav yet to find one. I've tried four.), and here I see some moron making browsers fail to interpret linked headings sensibly. The first choice should be the default. The second shouldn't be. I suppose that left-click to follow a link and a right-click to edit a section is understandable, but, to quote someone I've never met, "If it is not necessary to do it, then it is necessary to not do it". That rule has more eksepshunz in Arts than in Enjineering. BrewJay (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi BrewJay. Yeah, you have a point there. However, this is the Wikipedia Help Desk not the Mediawiki development suggestions list. I agree with you that the software sucks... all software sucks, but since it is open source hopefully energetic and clue-ful people like yourself will work to make it suck less. In that vein: log a bug. Lastly, there are cases where people turn the headings (or part of the headings) into links so in that case it is useful to have a editing shortcut mechanism. Cheers, —Noah 14:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a problem. The first one is the default. The second one isn't. The second option doesn't turn it into a link in the HTML sense either, it's just some javascript to detect a right-click. I'm sure somebody finds it useful. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 14:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

He is making a point about design decisions in the Mediawiki software. The (probably correct) presumption is that Javascript is inherently more complicated and error prone than HTML rendering and therefore we should eschew needless Javacript Featuritis. The options he called out suggest that Javascript actions are associated with Headers to the detriment of using good ol' simple HTML in the Headers. But, I should shut up now since I already pointed out that this is not the Mediawiki development forum. —Noah 15:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Block other people editing my content

Hi,

IS there a way to prevtn my edit being further edited?

Siobhan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siobhan 13 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No; no editor "owns" an article. · AndonicO ^Hail! 14:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Recommend stating the merits of why an article should read a certain way in the discussion page. However, in the end, anyone can edit the article. FieldMarine (talk) 14:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And if you're asking about the article All Eyes On Glaucoma, that was deleted as a violation of copyright. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

citeweb failure

Refs 36 and 37 Westboro_Baptist_Church#Activities_and_statements are over-long. I tried to resolve it using citeweb. I failed. MrsBucket (talk) 14:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

They seem fine to me (I think at this moment they are no longer 36/37 but 38/39). They wrap around in the ref list, is that what you mean by over long? I don't see that as a problem since it doesn't affect the readability of the article. —Noah 15:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you offer advice on where I might improve this article?

Can you offer advice on where I might improve the Collusion Syndicate article?

Thanks! - Operknockity (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ask at the reference desk, someone will know! _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{play it cool.} 19:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I see that the article is currently up for deletion. One concern I have with it is the quality of the sources. As relates to the most recent version:

1. is a link to the main page of the organisation's website, and therefore is not an independent, reliable source
2. a glowing review of the site in a 2000 newspaper readers' poll. Independent, specific. Unfortunately, it is quite brief
3. a portal site. The org is not mentioned on the page linked to, and from what I saw of the site, would likely only be a short listing on another page
4. an article by someone on the organisation's website. No reliable, as noted above, and I'm not sure how it relates to the site's significance
5. see above
6. see above
7. see below
8. Two identical links, both to the homepage of a local news/tv station (?). Org not mentioned on front page or in a site search
9. Link to the front page of a local newspaper. Org not mentioned on front page or in site search
10. see below
11. Two more links to the tv station mentioned above, identical.
12. The technology pages of the New York Times

At the moment, none of your sources add up. If the organisation is mentioned on the New York Times site (preferably in detail), the link needs to be to the exact page where it is mentioned. (The fact that someone who once wrote articles for the New York Times has them archived on this organisation's website does not make it inherently notable, unfortunately.)

A search on Google for "collusion syndicate" excluding the organisation's website and Wikipedia, produces fewer than 40 results, many of them not related - the Bowl Collusion Syndicate? A similar search on Google news produces 2 results, neither related. (Of course, the Google test is not authoritative; many subjects on Wikipedia have sources which pre-date the Internet. However, I would expect to see more results where something is primarily based on-line).

I see your main problem here as being a lack of verifiable sources. If you know of sources which aren't in the article, you could add them to the article, which may well address editors' concerns regarding notability. The deletion discussion process is 5 days long, and anyone can work on the article during that time. The decision on whether to delete or not will be made by an administrator, based on adherence to Wikipedia policy and persuasive arguments made by editors during the process. --Kateshortforbob 19:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Heath Ledger

Is that late actor's daughter's name spelled "Matilda" or "Mathilda"? I ask because the name can be spelled four ways that I know of: Mathilda, Matilda, Mathilde, and Matilde. My late mother and my daughter, her namesake, is named Mathilda.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.25.246 (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's "Matilda". I get a lot more Google hits with '"Heath Ledger" Matilda' than with the other spellings. Wikipedia doesn't rely on Google searches, though. Here's a source (a newspaper article) spelling it "Matilda": [11]. Next time, this kind of question should go to the reference desk. --Coppertwig (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Help desk's fine, since it could be info for the article. • Anakin ^{(contribs • complaints)} 20:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding an article

How do i add an article to Wikipedia, i have crated an account and now want to add an article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammyn24 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. -- The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 20:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

can you help me

how do i create a page about a dj/music producer thats list his date of birth his muiscal accomplishments and awards just like how dj clue has one set up can you help me

thanks simbabugzy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simbabugzy (talk • contribs) 20:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. —Travis^talk 20:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

To make the infobox just like on the DJ Clue page, you can go to that page and click "edit this page" at the top. Then use your mouse to copy everything from "{{Infobox" up to and including the line with just "}}" on it. Be careful not to click "save page", because you don't want to change that page. Then, type the name of the new page you want to make into the search box and click "go". It will tell you the page doesn't exit and give you a red link "Create this page". Click on that to create the page. Paste in the infobox you copied. Change the information in it, then click "save page". See also Template:Infobox. You should also put some paragraphs etc. into the page. --Coppertwig (talk) 20:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Writing A Page

I know that you can edit other people's pages. But how do you write a page of your own? --Gaangel95 (talk) 20:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Technically, it's not other people's pages as once you save your edit you are giving others permission to mercilessly hack away at your work.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

editing help for templates

hi, i was searching for a help pages that explains how to make similiar things in tables for templates. How does this work with "if...then do..."? I saw this for example:

! style="background-color:#FC6;" | Type
| {{ #if: {{{questitem|}}}|{{{type|[[Quest item]]}}}
| {{ #if: {{{uses|}}}|{{{type|[[Kit]]}}}|{{{type|Not specified}}}
}}}}

or

{{pipe}}- valign="top" 
{{ #ifeq: {{{type|}}} | [[Rune]] | 
! style="background-color:#FC6;" {{pipe}} [[Armor bonus|Bonus]]
{{pipe}} {{{bonus|Not specified}}}

now, i wanted to create a infobox template for a wiki which can change the words used in similiar colums or the default image names, or even the border color, background color or style of the entire box, that you could use it like that:

{{"infobox name"
| border color = red
| name type = 3
}}

something like that. could anyone help, maybe with a useful link that explains this wikicoding? i'd be happy about an answer. 87.177.248.11 (talk) 17:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Responded/ing on user talk page. --omtay38 21:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Not finding page in search

I recently added a page on Austin A. Frye and when I do a search, I can't find it. Am I doing something wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JAR4853 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You seem to have created a page named User:JAR4853, containing information about Austin A. Frye. You can create a page with a title like Austin Frye (click on that link to create that page) and copy the information into it, to make it part of the encyclopedia, if you think it meets Wikipedia's notability criteria and other policies. --Coppertwig (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Working Man’s Barnstar

Resolved

Is it possible to change the Working Man’s Barnstar to just Worker’s Barnstar? I want to give that award to an editor. Not that I’m overly PC, I just honestly don’t know their gender. Just a thought. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, if you put {{subst:The Working Man's Barnstar|message ~~~~|n}} then the following will be produced:

		The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
		message The Helpful One (Talk) (Contribs) (Review) 21:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hope this helps! The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contribs) (Review)} 21:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Naming Convention Question

I noticed two categories called “Category:Defunct museums of the United Kingdom” and “Category:Defunct museums of the United States”. In accordance with naming conventions, should these be “in” instead of “of”? There are relatively few listings in each & I can fix them easily if this is a mistake. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone's been reading up on WP:NCCAT, haven't they?! WP:CFD would love to help, I'm sure - it even sounds like a speediable matter, and then the magic CFD-bots will do the hard work for you. (Incidentally, if you put a colon in the wikilinked category name, i.e. '''Category:Defunct museums of the United Kingdom, you get a clickable Category:Defunct museums of the United Kingdom, which makes it easier to follow the examples that you give). Bencherlite^Talk 22:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Question about blocking

Hello, I'm writing a paper for school and was wondering if it was possible for a company to request that its IP addresses be blocked to keep their employees from writing about other companies? For example, could the US government request their ip addresses to be blocked to keep employees from editing their own and other groups' profiles? Please reply to my email address if possible.

Thanks in advance, smcampbe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smcampbe (talk • contribs) 22:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't find the link, but there was a related thread recently on one of the mailing lists. As I recall, the conclusion was that we take the position that if they want to block Wikipedia, they can do it on their end. We are not responsible for enforcing their policies. Bovlb (talk) 22:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[Show] and [Hide] in templates

Is there anywhere in Special:Preferences where I can make all the templates with a [Show] or [Hide] tag automatically be set so they are automatically/permanently showing? I've tried looking in the prefs, but didn't notice it.. If not, is there a code to add to the monobook.js that will allow it? Thanks!! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 23:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not aware of currently existing solutions to do that atm, and it's quite a complicated piece of code, so its not really easy to do either. I suggest you contact the creator of this code User_talk:Ruud_Koot. Perhaps he might have a solution. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

can't get password

I'm Ed Stephan. I'm fairly certain I signed up years ago. I've forgotten my password.

Trouble is, my email address has changed a few years back. So it's possible my request to 'email password' is going off into entropy heaven. My current email address is <e-mail removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.140.122 (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do - you'll have to create an account and place links between the userpages of both accounts. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Ed Stephan has no edits so I see no need to connect it to a new account but if you badly want to keep the account name then you could try explaining the situation at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations and ask for usurpation (which may be rejected). You would only get the account name and not the actual account so things associated with the account like watchlist and preferences would be gone. If the account name is not important to you then it's recommended to just create a new account with another name. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

What font does Wikipedia use?

I am using IE & Maxthon browser on XP and all the fonts on Wikipedia are not the same as before and kind of hard to read. I tryed veiwing the html but, it doesn't tell me which font you use for my platform. I belive I have a corupt font & would like to reinstall it. Can you please help me on this matter. Thank you, Troy Date —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.255.219 (talk) 23:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses whatever the browser default font is, I believe; check around in the preferences and hopefully you'll find a font option; make sure it's set to a readable font and you're all set. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Article text is Times New Roman; header text (such as that for Wikipedia:Help Desk) is Arial Unicode MS. Those are defaults, though; you can usually set your browser to use a font of your preference. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 23:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

January 24

How do you make pages about someone in the WIKIPEDIA?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.214.131 (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 00:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Using “*” or space after a category

To list items in top left of category, I noticed sometimes a “*” after a category such as in “Category:Museums in the United States|*Curators” & sometime a space is used such as in “Category:Museums in the United States| Defunct”. When should a “*” be used as compared to just a space when listing categories? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 00:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you provide a couple of examples? —Travis^talk 00:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Please see Category:Museums in the United States, upper left; some are below a "*" & some are below. The Ones below have a "|*" included in the category & the ones above have a "|(space)". FieldMarine (talk) 02:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

(Ah, thanks. I see that you put that in your original question and I missed it.) I haven’t a clue about the space or asterisk and a quick skim of WP:CAT doesn’t provide an obvious answer. It seems to me that a space should be ignored but I’ll have to dig a bit deeper, unless someone else has an answer. —Travis^talk 02:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The space is probably a mistake, but the asterisk is used to force an article to the top of the category listing - usually the main article and/or a list of examples (for instance, I went to Special:Random/Category, which gave me Category:Godchildren of members of the British Royal Family, which has listed under * the article List of godchildren of members of the British Royal Family). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 03:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categorization#Priority sort keys and Help:Category#Sort order. There is no fixed rule about using space or *. Some categories have articles with both and then space comes first, for example in Category:Suspension bridges. It's possible to use additional characters for more groupings, for example + and -. They are displayed in ASCII order as shown at Help:Category#Sort order where many special characters come before digits and letters. If an article happens to start with a special character and doesn't change its own category sort order then it's listed normally under that character, for example *-algebra in Category:Abstract algebra. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong

I just wanted to say that i saw the ADD definition and part of it is wrong. It is not a genetic disease and also you can get ADD without being exposed to anything toxic or bad for you and also you can get it without damaging your head by falling or something. I have ADD and i am up set because i didn't get it by any of the reasons that were listed. I just got it, nothing happened to me, i never was exposed to anything, i never have/ had fallen on my head or damaged it, and neither of my parents have it. I would like for you to change that because it will not let me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.122.215 (talk) 02:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Neither Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, ADD, or ADHD predominantly inattentive are semi-protected or protected, so you should be able to edit them. Your ability to post a question here shows that you are not blocked. You may want to bring this discussion to the talk page of the relevant article, as I'm not sure which article you're referring to, and ADHD appears to have a full range of citations throughout the "Causes" section. Sorry I can't be of more help. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I notice you have already attempted to correct the Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder article. Please note such claims need to be backed up by citing references from reliable sources - without this, your change is likely to be reverted quite quickly. If that happens, it would probably be best to take your concerns to the article's talk page, rather than simply re-adding your information. Also note it is not necessary to leave your signature in the article itself (I have removed it for you), but if you leave a message on a talk page, then please do use the signature.

Whilst, the article's factual accuracy is disputed, it suggests that genetics plays a role in around 75% of cases, whilst injury/toxins play a role in around 20% of cases. That leaves around 5% of cases with possibly unexplained causes (though I have not read all of the article).

Astronaut (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

WANT TO BUY COTTON SEED

HI MY NAME IS AND IM FROM FIJI AND IS REALLY INTERESTING TO BUY THIS PRODUCT[COTTON SEED OIL]

SO IF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT IN FINDING THAT OUT.

CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHERE I CAN GET IT? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.151.26.133 (talk) 02:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 02:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet reporting

Did I do this right? Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kyleain

The same comments cam in from multiple accounts. Warnings have been met with hostility. User talk:Novangelis#Stop trolling Novangelis (talk) 02:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that was filled out correctly. Good jorb. Soxred93 | talk count bot 03:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is it taking so long to POST MY PAGE to the public?

I have created my contributions and I have been asking and waiting to have it posted for some months now. Please advise or post the page for me. Schmoovy Schmoov is my name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmoovy Schmoov (talk • contribs) 03:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid we can't do that. First of all, since Wikipedia is a wiki, you can post articles on your own - you do not have to request that it be done for you. Secondly, your article appears to be an autobiography, which are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. Writing an article about yourself means that you have a conflict of interest, which will affect the neutrality of the article and may make it difficult to determine if you are in fact notable enough to be included. Thirdly, your article contains no references or citations to reliable sources to help verify the information you have included. You are welcome to include information about yourself on your userpage as you have done, however in an actual article, we'd prefer you not. If you believe you are notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, you may request an article be created by an experienced editor. I'd recommend you take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article for more information about how to get started here. I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. - Just so you know, anyone can look at your userpage, however a search for "Schmoovy Schmoov" will not go directly to your userpage. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Since you wrote the autobiography you have not posted outside the user page and user talk page for your account before today. Wikipedia has 48,474,782 registered accounts and it's likely nobody has seen your contributions before now. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

YouTube videos on Wikipedia

Other wikis (such as Uncylopedia or Encyclopedia Dramatica) are able to paste Youtube videos directly into their articles. Is there a way that can be done on Wikipedia? --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

No, for several reasons. It is possible to embed malicious code into a video, causing security issues. Doing so would greatly increase article size and cause accessibility issues. However, the main reason is that YouTube videos are generally not considered to be reliable sources, and so aren't usable as citations. Because of this, there is no reason to embed them in the first place. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, WP:COPYRIGHTS problems often go along with videos from other sources like Youtube or Google video. - PeaceNT (talk) 05:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

what about for user pages? If you want a video not for an actual article, but to add to yuor user or talk page? --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 05:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You can't embed them, and you can't link to them if they're copyright violations, which most youtube links are. Corvus cornix_talk 05:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Bummer. Thanks anyway. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 05:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

create account and upload image

How do I...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.141.178 (talk) 04:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! See WP:ACCOUNT for the benefits of creating an account, and instructions on how to do so. As for images, please see WP:UPLOAD; make sure you read the full copyright information, though. And lastly, remember to sign your edits using the four tildes, like this; ~~~~. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Water park template

On template:Infobox Water park, how do I change the template so that if “location3” is filled out on the template, the information displays on a second line when the article is viewed. See Adventure River for example with “United States” showing on two lines. I think it does not look good that way. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 04:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

It's normal line wrap when the whole text doesn't fit on one line. You can avoid risk of line wrap between two words by replacing space with &nbsp; (see nbsp). In Adventure River it's in a wikilink so you have to pipe it: Replace location3 = [[United States]] with location3 = [[United States|United States]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, i'll do that. Is there a way to change the template so it automatically does that if location3 is filled out? That may be a good permenant fix. Thanks again! FieldMarine (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't recommend trying to automatically avoid line wrap for unknown names. There might be long names where line wraps are natural and line lengths would become too varying without it. (And I wouldn't personally bother with &nbsp; for United States or most other multi-word names). PrimeHunter (talk) 05:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

How to see Featured Articles

How to see Featured Articals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.140.142.85 (talk) 06:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

If you're looking for a list of Featured Articles, go to Wikipedia:Featured articles. If you want to know if a certain article is featured, look for a small bronze star () in the upper right hand corner. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 06:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

confirmation of depositea sum of GBPS 820,000

Please confirm FUND DEPOSITE (...) NATIONAL LOTTERY (...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.182.250 (talk) 06:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

This must be a lottery scam. I'm not sure whether you are a scammer or somebody is trying to scam you but I removed most of your post and strongly urge you and everybody else to ignore messages like this. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair

It's fair that registered users who are registered under blocked shared IP addresses cannot do things that only registered users can do, such as create pages, move pages, upload images, and edit semi-protected pages. If the user cannot edit anonymously, it's fair that if they can edit under an account, they cannot do "accountive" purposes. 58.168.213.239 (talk) 07:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Image licence

I uploaded Image:Bernhardt Skull.JPG, which is just a crop, into landscape, of Image:Sarah-Bernhardt (Hamlet).jpg, which is a commons image.

However, I've got a problem with the licence. The commons image is licenced death of creator+70 years, whereas that's not an option at special:upload on wikipedia (which has an option for death of creator+100). Looking at the DoD I'd say this difference is actually an issue. I've put a licence on there pro tem so that I can bring the question here to the help desk, but how should this be dealt with? Should I upload to commons not to wikipedia? Or is there an appropriate licence I'm missing? AndyJones (talk) 08:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Another image licence question

Completely unrelated to my preceding question, I see from my watchlist that a bot is trying to delete Image:Richardthird.jpg. However the book in question was clearly printed 1597 and is therefore in the public domain, and the image shouldn't have been given a fair use licence in the first place. I've no idea how to dispute this &/or to fix this myself. Can someone oblige &/or tell me what I should do? AndyJones (talk) 08:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Changed to {{PD-old}}. NF24^{(radio me!)} 11:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for your help. AndyJones (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Is there a chance if i could create a seperate vandalism unit, simular to the counter-vandalism unit but totally different which performs strict rules, and follow's the rules of the wikimedia foundation, i've noticed a few user's are creating their own departments for the wikipedia project but i was wondering if anyone had objection's. →Dust Rider→ 12:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind i won't bother. →Dust Rider→ 13:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Age of articles, please.

How can I find out when a particular article was first posted on its Wikipedia site?

I have looked at the history, but I don't know if any of it has been archived, or if I am seeing the entire history.

How do I tell the age of the page?

Thank you,

Suttonplacesouth (talk) 13:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Click history at the top of a page. Then click earliest and you will be at the first ever edit to a page. Page history is not archived as for GFDL copyright reasons, we need to preserve the authors. See Help:Page history for more information. Woody (talk) 13:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

End of article not showing up, but text is still there

I edited the Anderson County, South Carolina article. I added a Reference section an external links section. After I saved it, nothing after this last reference is showing up. But, if I go back to "edit this page", the all of the text is still there (Meaning I didn't accidently blank the last part of the article) What is up with this? Thanks, Rocketmaniac (talk) 13:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You need to close the ref tags with </ref> after the reference has finished. So <ref>[wikipedia.org]</ref>. More information can be found at Wikipedia:References. I have fixed it for you now. Woody (talk) 13:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That was a big duh on my part. Rocketmaniac (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You would be surprised at how often it happens! ;) Woody (talk) 13:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Another question. How many references does an article need so you can remove the Unreferenced tag? Rocketmaniac (talk) 13:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

One. After that, if necessary, you can always add a {{refimprove}} tag. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)In theory, 1. After that use {{refimprove}}. It is more of a common sense issue, when all really challengable stuff is referenced, then remove the {{refimprove}} tag. Woody (talk) 14:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

kerrigan labrooy sri lankan burgher

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My name is Kerrigan La-Brooy - I'm a singer/songwriter/entertainer/actor etc etc....my webpage is www.kerriganlabrooy.com

My email is kerriganlabrooy@bigpond.com

I was wondering, indeed hoping, my name could be included on your Sri Lankan Burgher name list."

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Cheers,

Kerrigan La-Brooy Melbourne, AustraliaKezlab000 (talk) 14:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)kezlab000

Layout of wikipedia suddenly looks strange

I'm not sure what I did, but en.wikipedia looks very strange. There are no tabs at the top of the page. It's like the css isn't being applied at all! Other websites look fine in my browser (Firefox 2), and even other parts of wikipedia look fine, like fr.wikipedia. When I view source and compare en.wikipedia's header to fr.wikipedia's header, they look the same.

Did I somehow change a setting? How do I fix it?

128.2.213.43 (talk) 14:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Ciera

Clearing your browser cache may fix it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

No, that didn't fix it. 128.2.213.43 (talk) 15:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Ciera

Template help

How do you make a table-like template (such as an infobox) align itself on the right side of the page? King Zeal (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

When will our site be up and can we get it linked to another wikipedia page?

I just created a site about muscoot farms. there is a page about somers new york that has muscoot on it but i was wondering if we could get it linked to the muscoot page... The somers page has muscoot in black.