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Pictures

This article is screming out for some pictures, also it really does need more sources citing in the body... follow the format I started a few weeks ago. Regards. Escaper7 07:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion and references

Have worked this up quite a bit see Metropolitan Police for why I think the LFB article needs expanding. I've also manged to accidentally get the list of references to repeat itself -any help tidying this up would be appreciated as I'm out of time. Escaper7 16:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC) ps: this is a bug in Wikipedia on many pages so should be fixed in due course.[reply]

Notable incidents

Can anyone help fill in the dates and flesh out details in this section? Also any additional Wikilinks would be useful. Escaper7 07:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion of Role Structure section

I reverted this section because it was only half re-written. The paragraph above the list of new roles had not been re-written and still had the refs to the old ranks. It should be rewritten but old ranks (as opposed to roles) should be kept in, as they are still in use by other FRS in the UK, and they should be kept in for historical purposes. Escaper7 10:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Number of fire stations

I've checked this in the light of recent edits changing the number. There are 112 including Lambeth and Lambeth River, which are each counted as individual stations. 111 fire stations and one river station if you like. I thought the confusion may have arisen from the closure of Manchester Square in 2006, in checking it's prompted me to add a section on the Draft Safety Plan which dealt with the closure of M.Sq and a redeployment of pumping appliances to outer London stations. Escaper7 14:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Historical organisation

This should be moved into the 'History' section of the article, I think it's useful, but in the wrong place in the article. Escaper2007 09:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect title for Ken Knight

Sir Ken Knight is known as the Commissioner or Chief Fire Officer not Brigade Manager and this reference should therefore be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.115.180.10 (talk) 14:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox you changed is standard across Wikipedia. The term Brigade Manager is used in many FRS these days, and will eventually become universal. Yes London is unique, but his insignia is tha same as a BM, CFO or Chief Firemaster so I've reverted your edit as otherwise there's a rogue piece of code in the page. It's also important to have a Wikilink to his own article high up. Regards Escaper27 14:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know of only a handful of fire briagdes where cheif officers are calling themselves brigade manager. Ken knight's title is not Brigade Manager and must be changed to reflect true accuracy, not your personal opinion. I am recommending this be formally changed with a wiki admin. The title of brigade manager has met with resistance and it has not been formally accepted by CFOA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.115.180.10 (talk) 10:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, you are missing the point. The infobox is a standard box, it can't be changed from one Wiki article to the next so whoever designed the box, and it wasn't me, adopted the generic new term of brigade manager. If you try to edit the box you will introduce odd characters to the article or rogue code. While I'm here PLEASE start signing your entries on Wikipedia, your reluctance to observe Wikipedia conventions just wastes editors time in changing things. Have you read the article I started on Sir Ken? And another thing, the tone of your edits and comments is particularly irritating. "I know of a handful" etc, but WE don't know who you are - all you have to do is set up an account... or perhaps you have one?? And be very careful about making "recommendations to Wikipedia admins", again in a threatening tone. Me? I'm a former firefighter with the London Fire Brigade. Regards Escaper27 10:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the mind-bogglingly simple fix I've applied to resolve this issue - without the need for admin intervention. Escaper27 10:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was not a personal attack on you escaper just a general observation - it was aimed at wikipedia admin so that it could be changed. Please dont get so uptight, you do good work here and we're not getting at you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.245.202 (talk) 13:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scope

The article is unclear as to the scope of the fire brigade. After the Metropolitan Fire Brigade Act 1865, did it cover the same area as the Metropolitan Board of Works? MRSC • Talk 16:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 I've checked this in the light of recent edits changing the number.  There are '''112''' including Lambeth and Lambeth River, which are each counted as individual stations.  111 fire stations and one river station if you like.  I thought the confusion may have arisen from the closure of Manchester Square in 2006, in checking it's prompted me to add a section on the Draft Safety Plan which dealt with the closure of M.Sq and a redeployment of pumping appliances to outer London stations. [[User:Escaper7|Escaper7]] 14:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
-There are 111 fire stations. 110 land stations plus the river station. One of the documents on the LFB website mentions 112 which is a typo. Unfortunately as its on the official site people believe it. Please visit http://www.lfbsite.com/stations/stations.html and count, or check the London Fire Brigade yahoo group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/london_fire_brigade.
-:This constant arguing, editing and reverting of the number of fire stations has to stop now.
-*The various unregistered IPs that are linked to an '''unofficial''' website: [http://www.lfbsite.com/stations/stations.html]
-*Note how this site rather naively includes appliance and station call signs.
-*If there IS a typo on the LFB website, what is it and why hasn't it been changed?
-*And why can't the '''''unsigned editor''''' above actually say what it is?
-*Also, this comment was placed in one edit summary:  ''Changed to 111 stations. There are now 111 stations following the closure of Manchester Square in 2005. Contact tom.jefferson@lfbsite.com if you need to'' This is '''not an official''' LFB e-mail address.
-* Every LFB document and press release refers to 112 stations - after the closure of Manchester Square and allowing for the fact that Lambeth River is a station distinct from Lambeth.
-Is it me, or is this just an attempt to draw attention and traffic to the unofficial site? [[User:Escaper7|Escaper7]] 06:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
-:: I have visited the unofficial site, I have counted the number of stations... guess what?  Even the unofficial site shows:  '''112 stations''' [[User:Escaper7|Escaper7]] 07:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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