Talk:Pink Floyd

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FAQ

• "Active or split up?" (2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
• "Album naming?"
• "Album sales?" (2)
• "Architectural Abdabs?"
• "Former members?" (Klose, Waters)
• "Goth?"
• "In popular culture?" (2)
• "Singular/plural, PF is/are?" (2, 3)
• "Spelling?"
• "Syncs/Wizard of Oz?"
• "The Pink Floyd?"
• "Trivia article?"

Worldwide Sales

The lead said they have sold over 250 million albums worldwide but the cite for that claim says 200 million. I changed the number to correspond with the citation used. I also changed the hyperlink linking the phrase "most successful and influential" to the list of Best Selling Music Artists to be only the words "most successful," since record sales have little to do with influence, as evidenced by comparing the record sales of, say, Matchbox 20 and the Velvet Underground, among a host of other examples. 74.77.208.52 17:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

DO NOT REVERT. The cite says 200 million, not 250 million. 74.77.208.52 21:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

My edit is continuously being reverted for no good reason and with no commentary to provide a rationale. This is completely inappropriate. There is zero justification for claiming 250 million albums sold when the cite used to back it up claims 200 million. Stop reverting. 74.77.208.52 21:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Changed this back to 200 million as the citation still shows this figure and not 250m Deckchair 14:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

300 million has now been claimed, with a single citation (last.fm) - do we accept this? They in turn do not justify it[1] --C Hawke 19:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

No, we don't accept it. It's circular linking. Stick with what is verifiable, which is USA sales. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 07:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added verified UK sales figures from the BPI site - it is a frames based site so I can't link to the actual figure, you need to do a search for them, and it is based on their awards of Platinum, Gold and Silver. I think this adds weight to the dubious nature of the 250/300 Million figure, as they would have to gain another 200 million worldwide outside what is probably their biggest two markets (US and UK)--C Hawke (talk) 13:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Bit of a shame that this British band is quoted for its sales "in the US alone." Who cares about the US?!--218.223.193.144 (talk) 03:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Find an RIAA equivalent for other nations. We did that for the UK and it was deleted. Probably because it was "only" six million or so which pointed up how laughable these inflated "250 million" worldwide figures are. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Pink Floyd

Is there anybody out there interested in re-launching the whole project? Doktor Who 02:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah im interested what would that involve though? and do we need to relaunch it? Ummagumma23 04:02 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I am also interested. Finally I actually have time to do it. Coq Rouge 23:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Ummagumma23 and Coq Rouge. Most of Pink Floyd-related articles have been written without, or just with little, involvment of the Wikiproject, nevertheless further goals can be reached. Soon I'm going to post some short msgs, and, within some days, new proposals at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pink Floyd. Any question posted at my talk page would be very welcome.Doktor Who 00:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we can get a lead that doesn't look like it was written by Roger Waters. 74.77.208.52 03:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is wrong with the lead? Zazaban 05:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the lead is fine although id like to see the other members of the band prehaps recognised in the lead but i understand that most people feel that Waters is the leader and so should have priority.Ummagumma23 08:54 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I can agree that to a certain degree, the lead is to focused on Waters. But, as Waters was the leader of the band in their most influencal period, it is also wrong not to have focus on him. As long as the rest of the article is balanced, there is nothing wrong with the lead focusing slightly more on Waters than the rest. The final line of the lead could probably be changed slightly to balance it. The classical lineup played together for the first time in 24 years on 2005-07-02 at the London Live 8 concert, playing to Pink Floyd's biggest audience ever. might be better than the one currently there. Coq Rouge 13:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Millenium?

Forgive my ignorance, but I recently saw someone with a Pink Floyd "Millenium" t-shirt. I had heard something about it before, but I don't know what "Millenium" is. It's not listed under Wikipedia's PF discography or live shows... could someone tell me what it is? And to help out ignorant people like me, possibly stick in some information in Wikipedia? Thanks- Gerafin 02:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Is it this t-shirt your talking about? My guesses would go to either a cover band, unlicensed stuff, official merchendice either in connection with a tour or other, or just fan stuff. There are bunches of stuff out there. I have never heard of any PF album named Millenium, or refered to as such, so it's not that. Might be some commercial stuff with a millenium re-release. Not worthy of mentioning in the article anyhow. Coq Rouge 06:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Missing images/audio?

The top of the page proudly announces the fact that "This article includes inline links to audio files". How many are there now? One. I noticed on one of the archives that the uploader had neglected to include fair use rationales.

But I can live without sample audio. The thing which confuses me now is that there are now no album covers. The main body of text now looks profoundly dull. Is there any reason, other than the fact that we'd need to go through and add a second (very similar) fair use rationale to each image, why we shouldn't re-add the images to the article? Una Laguna^Talk 10:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyrighted images cannot be used for decoration, even in (for instance) discographies. There is even some controversy about whether album covers can be used on album pages if the cover art itself is not a subject discussed in the article (cf. Sgt. Pepper). Relevant linkage:

• Discussion: Album covers in band articles, again
• Discussion: Album covers in band articles, yet again
• Wikipedia:Non-free content#Acceptable_images
• Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria

We'd probably have better luck with audio samples. All that was needed were good fair-use rationales. / edg ☺ ★ 10:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Quick response! That makes sense, thanks. Una Laguna^Talk 10:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Haven't checked this article in a while. When I last did it, I'm sure there were lots more pictures. The article looks dull and boring without anything nice to look at. What happened to them all?

Given the beauty of their art work, I agree some more should be included--Jacobwilliamson 17:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure, as soon as someone convinces the owners of Pink Floyd art to license it for GFDL-compatible free use. Until then, we have to work within fair use restrictions. / edg ☺ ★ 18:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Zabriskae point

Why is this missing from the lsit of Albums (albeit perhaps caveated by someone who knows more than I about the band)?

See http://www.pinkfloyd.net/albums/?album=50 where it's clearly a Pink Floyd album as I recalled —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonMWatts (talk • contribs) 15:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a discography on the bottom of the page that includes Zabriskie Point (album) under "soundtracks", along with Obscured by Clouds and Music from the Film More. Zabriskie Point is a multi-artist soundtrack/collection, and is as much a Jerry Garcia album as a Pink Floyd album. / edg ☺ ★ 16:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. It's not entirely a PF album, as over half of it is by other artists. Doc Strange 18:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Animals bass

I heard from an unreliable source that David Gilmour played all the bass parts on Animals. If this is true it should be included in both articles. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 02:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia by Vernon Fitch says Gilmour played bass on "Sheep" and "Pigs (Three Different Ones)", but Waters provided bass on "Dogs". --Bongwarrior 02:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Haven't checked this article in a while. When I last did it, I'm sure there were lots more pictures. The article looks dull and boring without anything nice to look at. What happened to them all?

Given the beauty of their art work, I agree some more should be included--Jacobwilliamson 17:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I beat you to the asking of the question. Una Laguna^Talk 18:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Pink Floyd's year of formation

There are a few sites on the web that state that Pink Floyd was formed in 1964, but most sites I have read state 1965. I put a weblink for All Music Guide, which states Floyd formed in 1965. To my knowledge, the band was known as Sigma 6/Screaming Abdabs, etc in 1964 and did not become Pink Floyd (The Pink Floyd sound, etc.) until 1965. Does anyone have proof (Nick Mason's book, perhaps) that states the year the group was formed? I would love to know so that we can keep this article as accurate as possible. Tkd73 22:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right. The band itself formed in '64 or so as Sigma 6, then Screaming Abdads and became Tea Set in early '65. When the band discovered that another band had it (and they were OPENING for them), they changed their name to The Pink Floyd Sound after two obscure bluesman in 1965. Doc Strange 18:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

one Q. pink floyd wernt techniqly pink floyd as such untill after bob klose left, am i far off. i am not disputting the fact that bob klose may have been in a band with the other members of pink floyd. but that band and the one we knoe to day. was not the same. why then is he included in pink floyd band members then??? shouldnt it be band members in tea set, but then no include him in pink floyd sound. i have read nick mason's book "inside out" and it did not directly mention that bob was a member of said pink floyd sound. i am awear that this has been a continueing issue, but i would like to see some resolution otgher then a white wash by one person who canot accept otherwise that they could be wrong.????? blehhhh i had to say that hahaha :) Echoes000 (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I was able to find a source from Nick Mason's book, stating that Pink Floyd formed in 1965. Tkd73 14:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment

This featured article needs images, and the references do not contain access dates. – Ilse@ 18:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

There used to be a ton of images, but they were all deleted. We really need to loosen up on image regulations. Zazaban (talk) 19:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Main Picture

The main picture is a pig now? Whose idea was this? --86.143.153.13 (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Mine. The original picture was deleted for some unknown reason, so I used the best picture I could find in commons. I would upload something myself, but it would probably get deleted. For now, the pig is the best we have. I'm not happy with it either. Zazaban (talk) 04:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I tried looking for a free image with no luck, but I'm not particularly adept at finding them. If someone else wants to have a look, it would be appreciated. A picture from the Live 8 show, with the four of them holding hands at the end, would be a nice choice. But, if no free images can be found, they might possibly be considered inactive enough as a band for something to qualify under fair use. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is a pretty good picture. I personally liked the one we had though, because it showed all five members. Zazaban (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

That's an excellent choice also, and because it's one of the few pictures to feature all five members, the historical aspect may strengthen any fair use claim. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Influenced

Pink Floyd has influenced rock music artists of the 1970s such as David Bowie[6], Genesis and Yes[7];

This page is quoted as the source:

http://classicrock.about.com/od/bandsandartists/p/pink_floyd.htm

while it is most likely that these bands would have heard pink floyd, to say that they were directly influenced by them is innacurate and misleading. i dont think that the About.com article is very informative, and unless a better source (such as direct quotes from the artists) can be found, this sentence should be removed, or at least edited.

david bowie was a fan of syd barrett era floyd, having covered 'see emily play', but it is too general to say he was influenced by a large body of floyds work. Vivisquallcloud (talk) 08:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Fairly certain Yes and Genesis weren't influenced by Floyd. Citing about.com is about as verifiable as citing wiki.Breadfap (talk) 09:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Also regarding influence in first section of article: "Pink Floyd have influenced ... various modern artists such as ... Radiohead ... ."

The source cited for Radiohead is [2]. This is just a customer comment on Amazon. Blibbka (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

To Present?

Why does it still list the band as being together? Gilmoure has said himself that there are no plans of touring or recording?Hoponpop69 (talk) 01:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

See previous discussion:

• Talk:Pink Floyd/Archive 5#Can_we_really_say_Pink_Floyd_is_still_active.3F
• Talk:Pink Floyd/Archive 5#Years_Active
• Talk:Pink Floyd/Archive 2#Current_Status_of_Pink_Floyd
• Talk:Pink Floyd/Archive 1#PINK_FLOYD_SPLIT_IN_1995.21.21.21.21.21.21.21
• Talk:Pink Floyd/Archive 1#Membership_dates
• Talk:Pink Floyd/Archive 1#Pink_Floyd_Reunion_of_the_4_members_.3F

/ edg ☺ ☭ 01:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Reading over all that I didn't see much consensus that towards listing 1964-present.Hoponpop69 (talk) 05:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Interstellar Overdrive.ogg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the "250 million album sale" claime?

just google 'pink floyd 250 million' and you'll get pages of results, you have one week to include this in or I will. Radiohumor (talk) 03:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice threat. Now find a reliable source for the statement. FYI, it's been discussed before - see [3]. --Alvestrand (talk) 04:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Those "pages of results" got the figure from Wikipedia itself. It's called circular linking. We're supposed to document history here, not change it. See WP:RS. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 05:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

References in intro

The references relating to the "artists Pink Floyd has influenced" are all very iffy-they link to fan reviews, amazon user-created content, secondhand ticket sellers, and individual Geocities pages. I'm not saying that the assertions in and of themselves are incorrect, but these references do need to be removed from an otherwise well-cited article. Atlantik (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The references in that section are embarrassing, except for the Nine Inch Nails one. I recommend deleting the whole thing. 74.77.222.188 (talk) 08:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

A list every single notable artist influenced by Pink Floyd would take up most of the article. Zazaban (talk) 06:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)