Talk:Danilo Türk

Pronounciation

How is his name pronounced in Slovenian? I think the spelling is German, and then the ü letter must be pronounced [y], but since this sound doesn't exist in Slovenian, how the Slovenes eventually pronounce it? Švitrigaila 11:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I answer to myself: I found an audio link in [1] (under the title Izjave podpornikov in the right colomn). Different persons say his name. The radio speaker pronounces perfectly [tyrk], while the other contributors say either [tyrk], [tʊrk] or even [tɪrk]. Švitrigaila 12:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Turk

Any relation to Turkey? Soulviver 21:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

he is turkish--88.233.121.52 04:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

He is of turkish origin, as are the slovenian people and the hungarians. If you look in his face closely, you will see mongolian traits77.248.185.43 07:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

We Slovenians have nothing with Turkey nor Hungarians, we are Slavic people, Slovani, Slavic peoples are traditionally divided along linguistic lines into West Slavic (including Czechs, Poles and Slovaks), East Slavic (including Belarusians, Russians, and Ukrainians), and South Slavic (including Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs and Slovenians). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.192.63.188 (talk) 08:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

That doesnt explain why he has Türk as a last name. Also Bulgarians are Turkic tribes, not Slavic. They are also from Middle Asia. And Macedonians are also not Slavic. They are assimilated.

There are lots of theories about that era of history. When Atilla The Hun invaded from centeral asia to europe, his movement effected all tribes on his way. So there may be turkish orıgined people in europe. And until 17th century, most of the east europe was under Ottoman Turk's rule. In Turkey, the teachers claim that most of the tribes that moved asia to europe, and even huns were Turkic. This is an ideological explanation of course. All nations teach their children that their nation was the gratest. But actually, nobody knows the truth. --88.234.185.3 09:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Lets not argue of who slovenians or hungarians are. This is a page of danilo türk and he is one of the 3% minority tatar turks in slovenia. And by the way, the invasion of the mongole hordes and the westers huns made eastern europe have a mix of turkish blood. Under ottoman rule even more. Why do you think germans and eastern populations of europe have more black hair? But like i said, this is a page about Danilo Turk and not about who slovenians realy are. 77.248.185.43 09:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Türks name comes more from German language then from Turkey, as Germans where strong in Slovenia as we where part of the Habsburg Monarchy, second Atila the Hun has seeked protection under Slavic people when he was attacked by franks and germans, so there is no question about hungarians, turkeys... but does it all this mater, We are all one world. No Borders, no Nations!!!

Actually, Turks themselves write and pronunce their name Türk, Türkey, the same as the president Türk does. In Slovenia there are numerous places that have a reminder of Turkish invasions in their names (Turški vrh, Turjak, Turjanci, etc.), and the family names Turk, Turkalj, Turek, Türk, etc. are quite common, as decendants of Turks are many all accross Balkans, of course not only in Slovenia.

he may be a turkish origin, but not all slovenians. today we only know hungarians and bulgarians has a turkish origin. not all inner europe. and geneti searchs also show many finnish people has a same origin with turks.--88.233.121.52 15:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Does the English surname 'Scott' necessarily suggest that the person in question has Scottish origin...? Guys... having a specific surname does not usually convey much about one's ethnicity. Definitely not so in Danilo Türk's case. For some onomastic candy, the surnames 'Turk/Türk' and 'Rus', both quite common in Slovenia, were given (when surnames first started appearing in the 16th century... I think) to locals who had at least some experience with Turkish and Russian lands, respectively - who did trade there, who fought wars there, etc. It had nothing to do with ethnicity. Therefore I suggest that the reference to 'Turkish ancestry' in the main article be deleted, or else explained that having such a surname tells nothing about one's ethnic afilliation (see above).129.215.76.49 19:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, his Slavic/Slovenian family moved to Styria from Prekmurje or another part of Hungary at the time when it was ruled by Ottomans. Zocky | picture popups 23:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it Türk or Tuerk?

Danilo Türk or Tuerk uses Türk for his personal website... http://www.daniloturk.si/

News organizations that use Türk amongst others: The AFP (1, link to article), Al Jazeera (2), Financial Times (3), RIA Novosti (4), Reuters (5) .

News organizations that use Tuerk amongst others: The BBC (1) International Herald Tribune (2), Times of India(3), Xinhua (4) .

--Tocino 05:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it Türk, but it can be spelled Tuerk. In other languages that do not have the letter as part of the regular alphabet or in limited character sets such as ASCII, U-umlaut is frequently replaced with the two-letter combination "ue". --AndrejJ 09:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ü can be replaced by ue in German only. Not in other languages, never in Turkish or Hungarian for instance. But ü is not a Slovenian letter. I suppose it's a German name with a German spelling. Švitrigaila 17:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Türk is not a German surname, but a Slovenian surname from the Prekmurje region, where a traditional, Hungarian-influenced alphabet was in use in the time when the region was part of the Kingdom of Hungary; it fell in disuse in the 1920's, when it was replaced by the standard Slovenian alphabet (gajica), but it is still used in the writing of certain family names. Thus, I believe it's not possible to use "ue" as a substitute for "ü". And another thing: although the original pronounciation is [tyrk] (the people from Prekmurje would pronounce it that way), the standard Slovenian pronounciation is [tirk] (see Izgovorjava priimka novega slovenskega predsednika (Delo)). -- Viator slovenicus (talk) 17:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no doubt that hungarians and finnish people are related to Turks. The grammatical spelling in finnish is the same as in Turkish, and Hungarians use differential tone to express themselfs in language. Both of which are in the Turkish language. From history's point of view, i know that slovenians are one part hungarian so it does not supprise me that a man named Türk surfaces up in slovenia. Coming into contact with Turks and naming yourself Turk is a world apart. This suggests Danillo has Turkish origin and one of his ancestors used the name Türk to associate with his descent. I hate to break it to the germans, but they have mixed turkish blood, as the mongolian hordes and the huns settled in central and eastern europe as far as the border with the Netherlands. Genetic research would prove a link between Turks in asia and Germans. And also it is quite noticable that most Germans have black hair, while the Germanic Tribes have Blond hair of origin. Names like Atilla, Timur, Kubilay, Cengiz are turkish names and have an ancient meaning. Just the same with Tengri meaning God in modern times, which was once used to describe the one god (= skygod in turkish history). It is clear Turks have left their marks and offspring in Europe. -- 77.248.185.43 (talk) 18:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow, IP user, you really sport some fascinatingly delirious ideas. Read this series of articles: Hungarian Language, Finno-Ugric languages, Proto-Finno-Ugric language, Ugric languages, Yugra for an idea regarding where Hungarian comes from, according to widely accepted academic theories. Then continue on to History of Hungary and History of Slovenia to see just how much different the histories of Hungary and Slovenia are - you seem to have this hazy notion that they're pretty much an indestinguishable blob of former Ottoman colonies, peopled with descendants of the Ottoman, which they aren't. Also, reread the replies already given above regarding how surnames in Slovenia were usually acquired - occupation, association to an occupation, trade or frequent travel to certain territories played a major role, hence the already mentioned multitude of non-Russians with the surname "Rus" in Slovenia. Another example is the fairly common surname "Škof" and the slightly less common "Papež" - meaning "Bishop" and "Pope", respectively. Do you really think people with these surnames are descendants of bishops and popes? How about "Jazbec" (Badger), "Medved" (Bear), "Volk" (Wolf) or "Kunc" (Hare)? Are these the descendants of some zoofilic progenitor?

Hey, here's a bone for you to chew - according to some researchers, there is a multitude of similarities between modern Turkish and modern Japanese - I bet the Japanese are nothing more than Turks in denial. TomorrowTime 19:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Although I do agree with TomorrowTime mostly, I do have to point out certain interesting details; our IP user mentioned Turkic migrations, not Ottoman Europe, as you have said. And Turkish and Japanese are actually widely regarded to be in the same language group, the Indo-Altaic. So the Japanese are not Turks in denial, but they're pretty close. As for the origin of our President's last name, Hungarians and Bulgarians are Turkic peoples, and it is likely for a Hungarian to move into Slovenia and adopt this last name (besides, in the 900s, Vikings called Hungarians "Turks"; check out the Leif Ericson page). It's also just as common for our President's great-great-...-grandfather to be hanging out and doing business with the Ottomans. But regardless, the last name does not have a German origin, and thus, I believe that there should be no umlaut. Scapegoat123456 (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Scapegoat, where again do you get the presumption that "umlaut" is only German? Germans are actually being the first to abandon it. Its purely Turkish umlaut in this example, period! : ) -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.229.210.165 (talk) 08:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh my God, I didn't realize the last sentence I wrote. Thank you. That should read, "I believe that it should not written as 'ue'." What I meant was, regardless of the real origin of the name, it is definitely not German, thus it cannot be written as ue. but must retain the umlaut. Thanks again for pointing it out. Scapegoat123456 (talk) 00:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.193.197 (talk)

I know that he is a Slovenian president, but does he have any Turkish genes in him?