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i came to know that Maktaba tul Madinah has published some VCDs.......so i added up this information. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Madinah madinah|Madinah madinah]] ([[User talk:Madinah madinah|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madinah madinah|contribs]]) 12:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
i came to know that Maktaba tul Madinah has published some VCDs.......so i added up this information. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Madinah madinah|Madinah madinah]] ([[User talk:Madinah madinah|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Madinah madinah|contribs]]) 12:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:First, you did not provide an adequate source to site this. Simply putting up this organizations official site is not helpful to the reader and may count as a commercial link. Second, Dawat e Islami has a number of activities it undertakes, you haven't explained why this one in particular would be more notable than any others. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] ([[User talk:MezzoMezzo|talk]]) 14:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC) |
:First, you did not provide an adequate source to site this. Simply putting up this organizations official site is not helpful to the reader and may count as a commercial link. Second, Dawat e Islami has a number of activities it undertakes, you haven't explained why this one in particular would be more notable than any others. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] ([[User talk:MezzoMezzo|talk]]) 14:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC) |
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i think u people are just AGAINST DAWATEISLAMI, thats y removing each and every content without confirming whether it is correct or not........!!! |
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i added the discription about new VCDs just because it is a great achievment of Dawateislami and these VCDs increased the propagation of Qur'aan and sunnah more than before...!!--[[User:Madinah madinah|Madinah madinah]] ([[User talk:Madinah madinah|talk]]) 18:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC) |
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i can see that this topic has seem to cause quite a bit of controversy, i have done alot of research over the last couple of weeks and found that dawat e islami wouldnt really need advertising as they have spread across 63 countries so far without wikipidea. from the research i have done i felt that dawat e islami is a very peaceful movement. I will hopefully edit this article over the next couple of weeks, and you will be able to see for yourselves the amount of work dawat e islami has done. not only have they spread knowledge and educated people they have also done great amounts of charity work in earthquake struck areas. once i have finished editing this article i hope everyones views will become positive, and i hope that all will learn something from it. thank you for reading my comment masalaama take care. servantofallah786 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.252.74 (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont understand why Wikipedia is serving as a mouthpiece of a certain organisation.I live in a muslim dominated area and myself have been a practising Muslim but Iam sorry to say that I have never heard of this organisation. The point of view expressed in the article is biased.
I differ from the opinion what MezzoMezzo said, the article may not suite him, but i think that it is perfectly OK for an encyclopedia. I agree that it may seem as an advertisement but it has most comprehensive description and introduction of Dawateislami.
Muhammad Asad Attari
According to latest news (dec. 2006) Dawateislami now has orgnizational structure in 55 countries around the world. Its last annual meeting (in year 2006)in multan had the gathering of about 1 million according to The news (pakistani newspaper) website. The rapid expansion of this relegious group is really amazing.
Laique Ahmed from Kuwait
- While I respect your opinion, I would highly recommend you review the official policy about using articles to advertise, as the article looks as though it was almost lifted directly out of a Da'wat-e-Islami advertising pamphlet. In addition - and this is my main concern - the article is a poorly formatted mess with little to no structure and is overly long. In the case of this article Wikipedia's Manual of Style is absolutely essential, as this article needs a tune-up badly whether the current version is acceptable or not. MezzoMezzo 09:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Actually I just checked some of the external links, and much of this article appears to be copied and pasted directly from some of the Da'wat-e-Islami official sites. This is one of them, and in addition I was actually correct about my passing remakr about advertising pamphlet; here is an image of one. I'm not sure if this is necessarily a copyright violation but in the near future we need to go through other official material from the group as the rest of the article reads like an advertisement and considering my suspicions were correct about the portions we can find in the above links, it's not a stretch to say that the rest of the article could be directly copy-pasted as well. MezzoMezzo 09:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Objectivity
Man, this article isn't anywhere close to objective. On top of that, it's overly long, contains dtails not necesarily relevant or appropriat to an encyclopedia, and is horribly formatted. Normally I would try to help myself but given the poor nature of this article, it's quite a daunting task and will most likely need to be a community effort. I'm going to tag it for now, for anyone else reading this, please see what you can do to fix it. MezzoMezzo 19:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
No Objectivity
We don't Create Pages for Wahabis . If it Suits WIKI policy then it is Ok Msoamu 17:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- I am not sure who "We" is, nor am I sure whom you are calling a "Wahhabi". Be very careful and please review the official Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility policies. Also, just because one editor happens to like an article as is doesn't justify removing cleanup and/or dispute tags if the content is indeed disputed. MezzoMezzo 19:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Informative Article
This article provides sound information about a good organizatonal work carried out in many countries across the world. This organization is also active in my country and i have found many people inhibiting better way of life after coming in contact with this organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhm61192 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is written as a blatant advertisement for an organization. It is a candidate for removal via the db-spam tag. Please do not revert candidature for deletion unless you have good reason to and clean up the article appropriately —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.104.226 (talk) 06:29, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Blatant advertisement
Please do not revert tags until discussion or clean up happens —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atheniandemocracy (talk • contribs) 18:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- As the reviewing admin, I have removed the speedy tag. The article is still unbalanced, but it is not incapable of improvement, so the tag is not appropriate. The bulk of the public-relations style talk has now been removed, and what is needed in the article is some sourced criticism. Good work so far. DGG (talk) 19:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Petty vandalism
As of late, an anonymous user has been inserting grammatically incorrect sentences into the Critics section. You have been warned on your talk page repeatedly. I am asking you here to stop as well. Please review the official Wikipedia:Vandalism policy. MezzoMezzo (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
- Whist another has been removing the section completely and threatening us. I've semiprotected the article for a week to give the regular wikipedians a chance to write the section correctly. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 20:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Improving this Article
Hi, it is clear that this article is way below par in terms of quality and some of the claims being made (the critics section appears to be little more than legitimised vandalism whearas some of the other claims are clearly unencylopedic fawning), and needs a real clean up. I would be prepared to undertake a large part of this work but would appreciate some feedback on the following points:
- when information is known to be common knowledge within a particular field (sub-continental Sunni Muslims in this case), or when the information on a matter will largely be in foreign languages (mainly Urdu in this case), how does one cite sources?
- the critics section appears to be a personal dig, little more than vandalism. If the sentence read coherently then I could understand it being tagged awaiting citation, but is this really justified in this case?
- what controls exist with regards Wikipedia being used as a platform for petty slandering? Awaiting sources to be cited is one matter, allowing untruthful content to remain accessible to the entire English speaking world indefinitely is altogether irresponsible?
I hope that the immature individuals who have been previously involved in the editing of this article can be held accountable and prevented from doing any further damage, and that experienced Wikipedia users can work together with people like myself - who possess a long association with the field and the issues and facts surrounding it - to produce a high quality ENCYLOPEDIC reference.
Dawat e Islami is not in need of publicity material, our literature is translated into 20 different languages and distributing in 66 countries worldwide through a non-profit making, volunatary workforce, what we are interested in doing here is to produce a well-referenced, factual article - and to protect this resource from vandalism - from all sides.
Thanking you in advance of your support. MuhammadYusufAttari (talk) 18:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Mention of Tablighi jamat
- Here tablighi jamat's mention has been repeatedly Inserted though this article has nothing to do with the tablighi jamat .this is a dirty attempt to show article its founder and organization in bad light .It is well Known fact that Tablighi jamat has associations with Terrorism world Over so to make this Peaceful and Moderate Organization of Barelwis associated with it mention of tablighi jamat has been added .Shabiha (t 05:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The comparison has been made here because both are Sunni Muslim missionary movements originating from South Asia. Seeing as how Tablighi Jamat is a little more well known, the comparison is not only apt but inevitable. Also, if I am not mistaken, Ilyas Attar Qadri was himself a member of Tabligh Jamat, I could be wrong but I believe I have read that before. MezzoMezzo (talk) 14:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
What a disgusting claim "MezzoMezzo" - produce your proof that AMEER E AHLE SUNNAT was a member of Tablighi Jamaat (Allah forbid) or keep your dirty comments to yourself, and out of this ENCYLOPEDIC resource.MuhammadYusufAttari (talk) 09:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- DO NOT engage in personal insults and attacks, as you have violated the official Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility policies here. You will not be warned again. Please behave in a polite manner if you want your edits taken seriously. MezzoMezzo (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Mezzo bring some proofs to substantiate Your Claims Stick to the Point.I request yusuf to calm down and write a NON Copied Complete Article/some Important Headings with Sources Specially its Presence in Europe and Africa.
Shabiha (t 20:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- Proofs for what? That both are Sunni Muslim missionary movements originating from South Asia? This is common knowledge, the leads to both articles establish that already. MezzoMezzo (talk) 02:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the Islamism box and tags as Dawat e Islami is far from a Islamist organisation and this is further proof of the vandalism of this page. Please DO NOT replace this box without discussing your proofs and motives on this talk page first. MuhammadYusufAttari (talk) 09:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why that was added, but please don't accuse others of vandalism without actually reading the policies first. Vandalism is the intentional disruption of Wikipedia, not simply having a different POV from you. MezzoMezzo (talk) 12:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Unsourced criticism removed
There is nothing wrong with criticism when we know were it comes from, but I have removed a section of criticism without any indication of its origin at all.[1] The key phrases - "are thought to be" and "what the critics believe". If someone can produce a source to make this section verifiable and fit with Wikipedia's core content policies, feel free to put it back. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Added some New Information
i came to know that Maktaba tul Madinah has published some VCDs.......so i added up this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madinah madinah (talk • contribs) 12:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- First, you did not provide an adequate source to site this. Simply putting up this organizations official site is not helpful to the reader and may count as a commercial link. Second, Dawat e Islami has a number of activities it undertakes, you haven't explained why this one in particular would be more notable than any others. MezzoMezzo (talk) 14:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
i think u people are just AGAINST DAWATEISLAMI, thats y removing each and every content without confirming whether it is correct or not........!!!
i added the discription about new VCDs just because it is a great achievment of Dawateislami and these VCDs increased the propagation of Qur'aan and sunnah more than before...!!--Madinah madinah (talk) 18:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)