Talk:Bleeding Love

iTunes

Number two in the iTunes chart tonight. Notable? — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 00:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Charts table

I just want to explain my last edit to the charts table, as my edit summary wouldn't fit! I removed Croatia as the reference only says she's number 1 in the UK. D-z chart had no source and I have no idea what it is or if it's important (it was removed by another user as I was editing and caused an edit conflict). The wrong Eurochart was listed, it should be the Billboard one. I linked the Polish chart ref to an archive page showing the song at its peak, as it was linked to before (making it easier for verification after it's left the chart). The Turkish chart listed is one radio station's chart so not official. The UK and Ireland download charts are not component charts, and the UK R&B chart isn't needed. ^anemone│_projectors 19:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

anemone - I've changed the Hungarian peak position back to number 1. It entered at 1 on 8/12, dropped to 5 on 15/12 then back up to 2 on 22/12. Leipzigger98 (talk) 02:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I've changed the link to an archive showing it at number 1. ^anemone│_projectors 13:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

On Sweden, Denmark and Norway: was on Billboard.com last night and did a search on Bleeding Love and it came up with these three peak positions respectively #1 (Swe Dec 15 AND Jan 12), #2 (Den Dec 15) and #4 (Nor Dec 15). There's also Finland #10 (Jan 5th). Worth investigating? Leipzigger98 (talk) 14:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I've just had a quick look and can see what you found. Billboard obviously use different charts to aCharts. I think Billboard make their own whereas aCharts uses official charts. I could be wrong, but if I'm right, we should keep it how it is. Probably something to bring up on WT:CHARTS. ^anemone│_projectors 14:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I had changed Sweden last night then thought like you it was best keeping it as it is now, so changed it back. I wonder if Billboard is using digital only charts in those countries, or as you say just their own internal charts which may include airplay? Leipzigger98 (talk) 15:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

US Charts

The article has changed release dated for the single in the USA over two occasions, however both of these dates are in the past, and there seems to be no sign of how bleeidng love has charted in the States, is this a mistake, or has the single simply not charted at all in the country?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.161.122 (talk) 12:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Germany

Is the German CD release date correct? It's entered the chart with the issue date 1 February, so it seems unlikely that it was released on 11 January. ^anemone│_projectors 20:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed by a source I just found. ^anemone│_projectors 16:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Spain

I requested some info re: the Spanish charts.

Q: Can someone clear up a question for me? What is the official Spain singles chart? Such that when someone says Rihanna hit #1 in the USA, UK, Germany and Spain with Umbrella, which Spanish chart do they refer to?

I've found what seem to be three main charts:

a) Promusicae Top 20 Singles y Maxis b) Promusicae Listas De Descargas De Canciones (Downloads) c) Los 40 Principales Lista 40

Any help appreciated.

A: Both Promusicae are official, one is for the physical sales and the other is only for downloads. The most important is the downloads chart since the physical single market is dead. The most popular chart in Spain is "Los 40 Principales", though it is not what it used to be anymore. It is based on votes of users.

As such I think we should concentrate on the Promusicae download chart. Unfortunately they only publish a top 10 on their site and on Los40.com. Top 20s are published elsewhere such as on the forums at ukmix.org. Leipzigger98 (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we can list one chart until it enters the more official one. ^anemone│_projectors 20:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. We'll stick with the Los 40. Leipzigger98 (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

South Africa

I've enquired re: South African charts and received this reply:

"SA only has an official albums chart which can be viewed here: http://www.rsg.co.za/musiek_top20.asp

Because physical singles usually aren't sold here anymore and digital sales are still relatively small, there is no official singles chart. An airplay chart is used by the music industry in SA but it is usually not published publically."

Thus I have deleted the SA Airplay entry for now unless we get a definitive source for the airplay information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rushian77 (talk • contribs)

Netherlands

"we should use the official chart - (as they are doing on Dutch Wikipedia http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Love)"

The chart we were already using, the GfK Top 100 is one of the three official charts in the Netherlands.

The Dutch Top 40 is airplay and sales and chart rules.
The Mega Top 50 is airplay and sales.
The Mega Single Top 100 is official sales only.

The Nederlandse Top 40 (Dutch Top 40) has some extremely arcane chart rules, but is broadcast by Radio 538 and used by TMF. The GfK Top 100 (formerly the Mega Single Top 100) is the music industry chart and the one used by the Dutch version of Top Of The Pops.

I say we go with the latter because of its sales only format, and its recognition by the music industry.

Whether the person who wrote the Bleeding Love page on the Netherlands wiki agrees is irrelvant. Leipzigger98 (talk) 18:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I apologise, I got the impression you changed the chart because it was sales only, not because it was official, but I was wrong. If you haven't already, feel free to change it back. ^anemone│_projectors 18:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

acharts.us

Out of interest why are all the charts being referenced to this source? Surely it would be better to reference the official chart sites in each case, many of which update faster than acharts? It's just a fan site from what I can tell, and thus their choice of chart (for example in the Netherlands, Spain, Italy etc) is arbitary. Leipzigger98 (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter if we don't reference the official sites as aCharts uses them itself. Also, many official sites don't have archives, which are helpful for verification. aCharts has trajectories, so you can easily verify lots of information from just one page. aCharts is used to reference a lots of Wikipedia articles, including featured articles, so if you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up at WP:SONGS or somewhere like that. ^anemone│_projectors 21:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

To illustrate my point is today's update of the Italian chart to an acharts reference. acharts doesn't state which chart they're using, but it is definitely the Musica & Dischi chart where Bleeding Love is number 1 for a second week. This isn't the official FIMI chart which we previously referenced where Leona was number 4 last week and is number 3 this (not updated yet on the FIMI site). Leipzigger98 (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you about Italy and have reverted the change. But in most cases, we know aCharts uses the official chart and it's handy for the trajectories etc. ^anemone│_projectors 16:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree entirely with that, but always worth keeping an eye on which chart they're using in case they sneek in an unofficial one. In the two competing Netherlands charts Leona is #3 this week which helps ;-) Leipzigger98 (talk) 02:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

There's a list of charts they use at the side of their website, so they're unlikely to sneak in any new ones. ^anemone│_projectors 10:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

It's just a list of countries in most cases - they're not specific as to which chart they're using in each country hence the Italian confusion where they use the alternative Musica E Dischi chart. They don't specify as they need permission from each of the publishers to post the charts. Leipzigger98 (talk) 14:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

But we should be able to work out which charts they're using so we'll know where we can use aCharts as a reference and when we can't. ^anemone│_projectors 15:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Mexico

Does the Mexican Hot 100 even exist? The México Top 100 (here) doesn't mention Leona in its chart. I can't find a chart on the website listed on Mexican Hot 100, although I don't speak Spanish so I don't know where to look. Anyone know? ^anemone│_projectors 21:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to post the same having spent half an hour looking for it - all the links on the wikipedia page are bogus. Should have checked here first! I recommend we delete it. Leipzigger98 (talk) 12:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

We should remove it from here, I'll tag the articles as possible hoaxes. ^anemone│_projectors 13:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mexican Hot 100 for the deletion discussion. --Stormie (talk) 04:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Italy

Are we using a digital download chart for Italy? Do they have a singles chart that includes physical sales? ^anemone│_projectors 10:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The FIMI Top Digital Download Chart replaced the abolished FIMI Mix E Singoli chart at the start of 2008 as Italy's Official Singles Chart due to the decrease in sales of physical single CDs and vast increase in downloads:

http://www.fimi.it/classifiche.asp?idtipo_classifica=3

There's an article in Billboard confirming it:

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003696014

There is an alternative chart which is considered important and combines airplay and sales. It is compiled by:

http://www.musicaedischi.it/

Leipzigger98 (talk) 12:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought that might be the case. ^anemone│_projectors 13:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

United States

I am pretty certain that the song has been released in the Unites States, but I cannot see Bleeding Love listed in any of the charts, has it not been made fully available for purchase yet, is it climbing the charts (like the Canadian Hot 100), or has it not managed to chart at all. I have seen many reviews by profesionals and the public in the USA, all positive, so if it is getting such rave reviews, then why has it not managed the Top 100, can someone please clear this up User:Stevvvv4444 (talk) 21:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

It was released to download in December 2007, and had a major radio launch about a week or so ago. Someone keeps adding that it's number 111 in the Billboard Hot 100 but really they mean 11 in the Hot 100 Bubbling Under Chart or whatever it's called. But I can only see the top 10 of that chart so can't verify it. ^anemone│_projectors 21:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Recording quality of this single

Is there currently any reference on quality of the samples used in this song? The vocals are very good, but seriously someone must have commented before on the clipped baseline? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.84.249.129 (talk) 00:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Turkish/Hong Kong Airplay charts

As we appear to have no way of updating these chart placings (the reference is to Leona Lewis's official site and hasn't been updated in a number of weeks) I recommend we remove both charts. Leipzigger98 (talk) 17:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea to me. ^anemone│_projectors 18:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Now removed. Leipzigger98 (talk) 02:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Dutch Top 40

I understand that you are using the Mega Singles Top 100 for the Netherlands chart position but why do you removed the category "Number-one singles in the Netherlands", because that category is clearly applied for the songs that reached the top of the Dutch Top 40. Frcm1988 (talk) 05:36, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. The Dutch Top 40 is definitely the main singles chart in the Netherlands, while the Mega Single Top 100 is only a component chart, and component charts should be avoided unless the song failed to chart on the main chart. Using the Mega Single Top 100 instead of the Dutch Top 40 is the same thing as using the Hot 100 Singles Sales instead of the Billboard Hot 100. Funk Junkie (talk) 19:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Dodgy 'German Special Edition single'

Someone has added a 'German special edition single' with a supposed B-side 'You Bring Me Down', but there is NO CATALOG number to justify it exists, and the deceptive citation takes you to a German Amazon page which has NO TRACKLIST information. Who else is in favor of its removal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reqluce (talk • contribs) 11:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Me. I already removed it. ^anemone│_projectors 13:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, "You Bring Me Down" is the B-side to "Better in Time". ^anemone│_projectors 14:00, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Billboard Hot 100 Airplay

Does anyone know how the song is doing in the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay chart? ^anemone│_projectors 13:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

"Bleeding Love" hasn't charted there as yet,[1] but as it has already charted on the Billboard Hot 100, the Hot 100 Airplay should not be added. Funk Junkie (talk) 19:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was sure to have charted there as it's position in the Hot 100 is based purely on airplay at the moment, is it not? I don't want to put it on the chart list, I know it's a component chart, but I wanted to mention it in the airplay section. I've checked that link many times before but I just noticed the list of charts it's been in at the side of the page - very handy, thank you. ^anemone│_projectors 21:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh wait, I forgot it's already available to download :) ^anemone│_projectors 21:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What is available for download? The song? Funk Junkie (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, "Bleeding Love" was released to U.S. iTunes in December. ^anemone│_projectors 18:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hungary

We're currently using the VIVA chart for Hungary, but this is a TV station. The official Hungarian charts are compiled by Mahasz and searching their archive shows "Bleeding Love" peaking at number 26 in their radio chart, but nothing for the singles chart. I suggest changing it in the article. ^anemone│_projectors 18:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Single Chronology, etc

Why is there 'Leone Lewis single Chronology', 'Leona Lewis unofficial single chronology', and 'Spirit track listing'? So redundant, and what's the point of it? Also having track listing order is sooooooo useless, I wonder who invented it, cos it appears on so many wikipedia pages.