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Well stated Todd. I certainly agree with you that wikipedia (and most of the people who contribute to it) do a commendable job. I was a bit "put off" by the Swayze article as I have had several family battle cancer, ranging from astrocytoma (brain cancer) to colon and lung cancer. Sometimes I get jaded by the "race" to get the info on wikipedia. It seems more like a "contest" than actually being interested in writing relevant information. 24.189.35.249 (talk) 15:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice work

Nice work on the Central Coast stuff.

As you've probably noticed, I reverted the lower res image back to the higher res images, and adjusted the Bateau Bay page to suit. Feel free to play with the size and placement of the images (I only copied that size from another page), I just wanted to get it fixed up for now. It is common practise to try and keep all images roughly the same size on the page if possible.

Wiki now takes care of the resizing and the higher res image is available for people if they ever need it :) Cheers --darkliight^[πalk] 12:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

If I come accross any other Central Coast related pages that haven't been tagged as a Central Coast category I'll be sure to add it. If you manage to dig up any decent aboriginal history of the coast, especially specific areas they used to hang out that would be great. There is a little bit on the Gosford page (or maybe it was the Central Coast page) and I've been keeping my eye out for it, but haven't had a chance to have a good look for it.

One other issue I've been having regarding suburb established dates ... as you've seen, according to geographical names board, Kanwal and Bateau Bay were established in 1991. That just doesn't seem right, I'm sure I remember Bateau Bay and Kanwal from before then, but then again, maybe I don't. If you do come accross any information that says otherwise though, I'd like to hear about it.

Regarding the Bateau Bay page, it's customary to cite potentially non-NPOV comments, for example, Bateau Bay is a popular destination for tourists because of its facilities and proximity to tourist attractions and tourist icons. According to who? Compared to what? etc. Ofcourse, not being able to find a cite is no reason not to include content, just if you happen to come accross something that says something is true, cite it, because then others can a) check you're correct and b) possibly use that same information on another page (like you have from the Kanwal page). Also, it is customary to only bold the subject of the page once, in this case Bateau Bay, usually in the first paragraph.

If I get time next week, I'll try and give the page a good copyedit for you. Cheers, --darkliight^[πalk] 04:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

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re:The Entrance Bridge

The Entrance Bridge's only reference is "History of Wyong Shire: 1947-1997". Do you think you could try and give it a full citation, with author, publisher, ISBN etc.? See also template:cite book. Circeus 23:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• • It will be there soon...hopefully.

same for The Tuggerah Lakes. Circeus 23:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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well done mate on locality stubs! keep it up James Janderson 11:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

New South Wales stubs

Hi! Good work with making all those geography stubs about New South Wales... but they should all have been marked with {{ NewSouthWales-geo-stub}} not {{Australia-geo-stub}} (which is only for stubs relating to the whole of Oz!). Any chance of helping me change some of them over? :) BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 04:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Yepo, I realised halfway through and the new ones I have been doing have the NSW stubs. I will go back very soon and change them. Todd661 04:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

cheersa. ive done quite a few of them too, so theyre nearly all changed over now. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

A-League

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Australian Politician Stubs

In response to this, that was left on several users talk pages. I am very concerned about the recent deletion of around 50 stubs on Australian politicians. These articles lay the foundation for what Wikipedia will one day be..."a multilingual free encyclopedia of the highest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language" (Jimmy Wales). This however will not happen overnight. I draw parallels to my own project on Central Coast, New South Wales articles. 90% of the suburbs are stubs. But these stubs encourage anyone to edit. Even trivial information has a place on Wikipedia. It should not worry YOU if the articles contained very little information, but you should be happy that the articles had information. In many cases these articles only needed an infobox and they would have been reasonably adequate. In closing I ask anyone who has supported their deletion, that you reconsider your vote by visiting this page: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 30#Albert Piddington (Australian politician)

Please don't spam other people's talk pages with the same message. It gets awfully irritating, and doesn't serve anybody any good. People are actually more likely to harden against you in what they see as a protest against your spam messages. Let me assure you that my !vote was well-conceived, and I did some thinking before making my opinion known. Thanks, and Welcome to Wikipedia, — Werdna talk criticism 10:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I spammed your talk page. But when I came across these deletions I got pretty worked up. I am sure you have considered you vote, but the large majority supporting the deletions wanted me to make sure an alternative opion was presented. Todd661 10:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I never spammed people pressuring them to vote one way or the other. I wrote mostly individual thankyou notes to people who participated. It's slightly different. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry calling the 60 very similar messages you sent in a little over 90 minutes spam. But I think you, saying I was pressuring people into changing their vote is a low blow, considing my exact words were "I ask anyone who has supported their deletion, that you reconsider your vote". The worst i did was probably bold the message.Todd661 11:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm really not interested. As Werdna pointed out, if anything, all you'll achieve is causing people to harden against you. Please stop posting on my talk page. I'm seriously not interested in your views on RfA thankyou notes and whatnot. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I ask anyone who has supported their deletion, that you reconsider your vote.

No.

If you're too lazy to write actual articles -- even minimal articles -- don't expect to get credit for them. If you're too lazy to make a specific case to deal with specific objections but have to resort to annoying spam, don't bother. --Calton | Talk 13:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I hope that this incident doesn't dissuade you from editing Wikipedia, or participating with fellow Wikipedians. It is appropriate to voice concerns when something upsets you, but perhaps the manner in which this is done could be improved? Given time all the pages will reappear as they are indeed relevant, so there is nothing to fuss about in the long term.

You've added and expanded a considerable number of Central Coast articles—I'm impressed! Keep at it. :) michael ^talk 14:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I am extremely concerned that you have chosen to cut-and-paste the same message (in bold type, no less) on several talk pages. Please do not do this. It is considered spamming, and if anything is more likely to irritate potential voters than make them change their minds. If you wish to discuss someone's vote on a one-to-one basis, by all means do so, but do not cut-and-paste the same message to numerous editors. Thank you. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Being creative works better than fighting. If a lot of stubs on subject X get deleted, one solution is to create an article on subject X and put the data that was in the stubs in article X. List of political people in Oz or whatever. Another solution is to create articles that are not teeny tiny stubs - if what was deleted was a one paragraph stub; create a three paragraph stub and if it gets deleted create a five paragraph stub, etc. Respond by doing something different and maybe better rather than fighting for exactly what was deleted. The right attitude is "Well, OK then; how about this?" WAS 4.250 17:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Establishment Dates

1991 is incorrect for the Entrance (and Budgewoi). This is because of inaccuracies in the records of the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales. It seems all dates are set at 1991.

Even the board states on their own site:

On 15 Dec 1910, a receiving office for the Post Office was opened under the name `Karagi` an Aboriginal word for `the entrance`, `the door` or `the way in`. It was applied to the point on the south bank of the channel at the ocean. It was not popular. On 15 Nov 1911 `The Entrance` was adopted. (Pratt E, `Place Names of the Central Coast`)

© Geographical Names Board of New South Wales

Drawing dates by a bot (or whatever it is called causes these problems on all the Central Coast Dates.

With this in mind, I respectively suggest that the establishment names be deleted on all of the Central Coast suburb pages until a more accurate reference can be found.

Osakadan 11:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I say leave it for the time being. I have already had a brief discussion on the issue of dates. See above message left by darkliight (who is another Central Coastie). ^^^ Todd661 11:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Toukley, Gorokan, Buff Point, Kanwal, Long Jetty, Ourimbah, Doyalson and even Wyong are all listed as having the same Assignment date of 17 May 1991. This is either a glitch in their programme or possibly a change in designation from town to village or some such thing. I stand by my assertion that the establishment dates should be deleted.

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name/search Osakadan 11:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Todd, I left a bit of a note regarding this on Osakadan's talk page if you want to have a look. Cheers, darkliight^[πalk] 13:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Unblock IP

This IP address is a computer at the University of Newcastle, from which I make many contributions. Todd661 06:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Contributions made by this IP can be viewed here. I will attempt to review all of them. Todd661 06:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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You're doing a good job

Random Acts of Kindness

Hi Todd, you don't know me, but I saw you out doing good work welcoming other users, and I wanted to stop by and tell you how important that is to Wikipedia and what a good job you're doing. I see from your userpage and some of the comments above that you're a bit down right now, perhaps feeling discouraged, and I just want to let you know that the work you do is being noticed, and is appreciated, regardless of what anyone else says. Have a great day, and keep up the good work! Essjay (Talk) 07:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Shopping malls

Sure thing. I actually don't normally spend this much time on malls -- my normal hangout is Special:Uncategorizedpages, where I've been seeing a steady stream of mall articles show up in that list recently. Anyway, the citation information you want is probably at Wikipedia:Verifiability and Reliable sources. Basically, you want to avoid primary sources (corporate websites) and stick with secondary or tertiary sources (like newspapers or other large reference works). Hope that helps, and if you need anything else, please let me know.  :) --Elonka 08:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's quite simple - your first batch of edits made the article worse. Your latest edits, however, seem okay, and so are intact. Rebecca 09:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

This had nothing to do with assuming bad faith. Rather, you made poor edits, they were reverted, you made decent edits, they were not. Simple. Rebecca 10:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Shopping Centres

Hi You might be interested (maybe?) in my failed attempt to get a stack of Westfields merged.

I considered that individually, Westfield Mount Druitt is a crap article with not much scope. But combined in a reasonable merger there is plenty of scope for something which transcends directory-cruft.

• Westfields in Australia
• User talk:GarrieIrons/Westfields in Australia Talk page for -^

Similar approach was considered for Wagga Wagga Marketplace with a few other Marketplace locations (some of which do have articles, most don't due no doubt to {{local}} and smaaaaaaall communities out that way) Garrie 04:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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Westfield Bondi Junction

Thanks very much for your efforts on the page.  :) My concerns have been addressed, so I have withdrawn my AfD nomination and closed the discussion. Thanks again, --Elonka 23:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stockland Bay Village

Looking at the archived discussion - there was a consensus reached of Merge and redirect. I guess that's not an allowed outcome from an AfD - but if you run the same thing past Talk:Stockland Bay Village then nobody would argue with the article becoming a section on Bateau Bay. Just a thought...Garrie 04:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Use of See also section

Hi I noticed you removed a link from the see also section on Westfield Bondi Junction.

I assumed it was a reasonable practice to put all the most pertinant links in the See also section - by your edit I understand you see it as only for articles which aren't already linked to in the text? I find sometimes these links don't stand out immediately and I thought that was the purpose of a See also section.

I don't want to do similar things if they are going to be reverted... but I'm a bit confused by this.Garrie 00:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

ps - trying to add sections to your talk page it seems it would be helpful if you archived some content....Garrie 00:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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dab'ing Central Coast (British Columbia)

Hi; I saw your changes disambig'ing "Central Coast" to Central Coast Regional District, British Columbia, but that's not quite right, as the CCRD's boundaries don't include all of the "traditional" Central Coast, whose boundaries are rather vague anyway; I was intending on writing separate subregion articles but for now the parallel would be how Central Interior/Central Interior (British Columbia)/[[British Columbia Interior Central Interior of British Columbia]] - whichever of those exist - resolve/redirect to British Columbia Interior, where there is a subsection on the Central Interior as a term. So here the idea is that "Central Coast" should go to the British Columbia Coast article, although I haven't yet fleshed out the same descriptive/usage details as I did in the case of the British Columbia Interior article. The RDs are bureacratic/administrative/semi-municipal entities, and have mutable boundaries; the older regions may have vaguer boundaries, but are least their meanings are constant, and not re-nameable. Sorry for the tangent; it's part of a longer discussion on subdivisions of BC to be used for various contexts in Wiki; just wanted to give you a heads-up on a better target for the redirect, and any similar like it (if there's North Coast (British Columbia) more than whatever else is on the North Coast disambig, I'm not sure; likwise South Coast and, although not in use enough to warrant an article, as covered by any others, would be "Outer Coast" and "Inner Coast").Skookum1 08:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Westfield Template

Hey Todd, IT certainly looks quite an acceptable template to me. I would also like some sort of vertical infobox for each centre, I think some of them (internationally at least) have such a beast (like the cityrail railway stations template).

Sorry to say, my home pc got fried in a storm the other day so I'm not contributing too much content at the moment.Garrie 02:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Mariners FAC

I believe I have addressed all of your concerns (with the "notable players" section currently at two out of five complete as of 06:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC), but you can get the gist of what the other three will be like). I'd be very appreciative if you could re-assess your stance, and if required clarify any of your continued objections (or, you could always support now :)). Cheers, Daniel Bryant 06:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

PS: I joined the CC Wikiproject in your userspace; hopefully I can help you in the assessment. Maybe a collaboration to make the main CC article featured between us two once the CCM FAC is concluded?

Hey Todd, just wanted to drop by to thank you for your comments in the FAC of the article. You may be interested to know it achieved featured article status today. Thanks for your insightful suggestions and for helping in assisting the article's promotion. Cheers! Daniel Bryant 00:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: Gorokan High School

Hey Todd,

I'll expand it a bit this weekend, and then again as I get time over the holidays. I've also been meaning to ask if you think it might be a good idea to start a wikiproject. I don't think it will be hugely active, but it will be a decent place to organise materials, article work lists and maybe even get a few other people contributing. Cheers, Ben.

Nice! Any objections to me playing around with the pages as I get time? darkliight^[πalk] 11:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Newcastle Wikipedia meetup?

There's only a few of us. Do we want to get together sometime? Please reply at my talk page --One Salient Oversight 08:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Newcastle Meetup

Opposition Leaders FLC

I've updated to a support after checking some other FLCs that are around at present. That article is a lot better than the others, so I'm happy to support it despite my preference for an intro that's slightly longer. If you're after another one to finish you can try List of Justices of the High Court of Australia - I'm happy to help out with that - there's no way you can get photos though for this article, so don't bother about them. JRG 13:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

• How exactly is moving List of Australian Opposition leaders to List of Australian Leaders of the Opposition more accurate? - Mgm|^(talk) 08:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Those names makes it look like "The Opposition" is one entity with leaders from different countries while that's not the case. It should be "Leaders of the Canadian Opposition" and "Leaders of the Australian Opposition". - Mgm|^(talk) 09:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I cannot pass this list; it currently fails criterian 3; none of the images have alt text included; I'll add this to the FLC page.--十八 09:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on it being promoted. Daniel 03:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking at this diff and similar in List of Australian Leaders of the Opposition, I notice that you have used American dating format in an explicitly Australian article. While registered editors may set date preferences, allowing wikidates to be transformed into their preferred format, the vast bulk of our readers are not editors and hence see wikidates in their raw format.

As per WP:DATE may I ask you to change the date format used in this article to that used in Australia, namely International Dating? --Pete 17:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that you look at WP:DATE and follow the links for lists of the formats used in various nations, which are the standard formats used by Wikipedia. Our own personal preferences are irrelevant. Again, I ask you to convert the dates in this article to the correct format, in the interest of improving the overall quality of Wikipedia, which is, after all, an international project. --Pete 18:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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Members of the House of Representatives

There is no need for an individual reference for the existence of each member of parliament - it's just pointless work. This would be far better served by a combined reference, perhaps to the parliamentary website, and would be far less ugly than having a footnote next to the name of every single MP. Moreover, some of the edits - such as removing mention of prior service in the House to footnotes - made the lists less, not more, readable than they previously were. I don't like to revert people's work, but it would be really nice in future if you could discuss this sort of thing beforehand, so it can be pointed out at that stage that it was a really bad idea. Rebecca 09:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

One of those lists has a strong purpose: there actually needs to be proof that the person is gay before putting them on that list. This is not the case here. You're simply linking to 150 seperate parliamentary pages, and creating 150 ugly pages, when putting one single reference would do the exact same thing with both far less effort and far less ugliness. This isn't about assuming good faith or "not letting you finish" - this is simply a bad idea, and I'd rather you stop it now rather than have it reverted when you've gone through and wasted time doing the other 130 MPs. Rebecca 10:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

As I said before, the edits being made are simply unnecessary. There is no point adding one hundred and fifty citations to the same collection of pages on the same website when it has a perfectly good index page that could be being cited. This is all the more pertinent considering the clutter being added to the page. I'm still not sure why you're so insistent on making these edits. Rebecca 12:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Re your template 3RR warning - There's also a generally held view that templating the regulars is a bad thing. Speaking entirely for myself, but I'm sure many would agree, Rebecca is a very highly respected member of the Australian Wikipedia community as well as the wider Wikipedia community, having served it well over the years in many roles. Also, some of your comments on the talk page are starting to sound a little like WP:OWN - once you put it out there, it may be "edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others", according to the bottom of this edit window. Orderinchaos 14:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal

You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. Right now debate seems to be among support for the current selective democratic/consensus based proposal, a selective dictatorial approach like that used at WP:TFA or a non-selective first in line/calendar approach like that used at WP:POTD. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

rearrange layout

Can you help me use your format to put the two bottom sections side by side here?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

LOTD proposal

You either voted on the original list of the day proposal or the revised version. A more modest experimental proposal is now at issue at WP:LOTDP. Feel free to voice your opinion.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 15:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

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