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Weasel words

Some of this article's authors are doubtless the same online realtors who go to such length to avoid explicit description of the coffee's production process. The beans don't just magically appear outside the animal's body as if beamed with a Star Trek transporter. The coffee is, literally, poo. Delicious poo, I'm sure, but also proof that you can get so-called connoisseurs to buy anything just by charging enough for it. By the way, look for my new line of Pre-Digested Corn Kernel Snacks at your local gourmet grocer's in 2007! Happy New Year!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.43.106 (talk • contribs)

Do other animals add their own enzymes to coffee beans? has anyone tried this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.101.9 (talk • contribs) .

If I could get my hands on some of those berries... I would try it. I guess that would mean I'd have to take a dump in the back yard. Maybe I should put up a fence first... to keep the neighbor's dog out... so he wouldn't eat it... and I wouldn't go picking through the wrong ones. Maybe I should try gorging on cherries first... pits and all... just to see how it feels going down. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.173.85.221 (talk • contribs) .

Cruelty

I have read that (but do not have a handy source) kopi luwak is intensively "farmed", with civets being force-fed beans, much like geese are to make foie gras. Does anyone have a source for this? Seems like it would be a relevant addition. adamrice 23:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard that as well, but the only "source" I have is a friend who like coffee. Doctorfluffy 20:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Source for price, commercial links

Hmm, coffeebreakgourmet.com is definitely a verifiable source that someone is selling the stuff at that price (they are), but on the other hand we can't really link to it in good conscience, because they'll get more traffic from Wikipedia readers and it isn't fair to the other companies selling Kopi Luwak. It seems like we're endorsing them. What should we do? —Keenan Pepper 01:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've bought a 50g jar of Cafe Alamid (at Bo's Coffee house) here in Manila and it set me back 550P or just over USD10. How one could pay $50 for a cup is beyond me!

Found some kopi luwak for sale at Alun-Alun in the Grand Indonesia mall in Jakarta today. Rp 200,000 (~US$20) for Balinese, Rp 250.000 for Sumatran. Not sure about the gram count, but it was preground and supposed to be enough for one pot. Jpatokal (talk) 12:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Safe to Drink?

Is it actually safe to drink this stuff? It's basically feces. Do they clean o sterilize it somehow?--Richy 12:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know it is quite safe. The beans are undigested, although slightly changed by the process, so it isn't feces. I think you have some research to do to edit the article to answer your question better. *grins* - UtherSRG (talk) 21:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Partially digested/Undigested?

I changed part of the first paragraph to reflect the fact that while the bean passes through the animal's digestive system, it is undigested when it comes out the other end (the berry is digested). This matches my understanding of the topic and is also in line with later sentences in the article. Does anyone disagree? The original sentence read "The animals gorge on the ripe berries, and excrete the partially-digested beans, which are then harvested for sale." I replaced with "The civets eat the berries but the beans inside pass through their system undigested." Katwin 20:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History

How the heck did anyone think about making coffee of those beans? Is it known? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.12.106.109 (talk) 10:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Ig Nobel" prize

This is trivia. It's information about the prize, not about the coffee. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Artificial enzymes?

"A hypothesis to justify this coffee's reputation proposes that the beans are of superior quality before they are even ingested; though this is not to say that the digestive enzymes play no role."

Personally, I find the superior coffee "hypothesis" to be more believable than the digestive enzyme "hypothesis". The wild civets are apparently choosy about the berries they ingest. Observation of this behavior would also help explain why the coffee came into existence in the first place-- Some people must have observed that the civet passes only high quality, ripe beans (the civets' sense of smell might be important here?) Though the beans may be "lightly" roasted-- they are still washed and exposed to high temperatures. To me there is a suspicious slant towards accepting this simulated process as legitimate in this article. The company applying the artificial digestive process has a lot at stake. More citations would be helpful Cuvtixo (talk) 03:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

University of Guelph experiments--not very good?

from Univ. of Guelph web reference "But the big question was whether passing through the GI tract of the Luwak really makes Kopi Luwak coffee beans different from regular beans. So, Marcone and other members of his department completed a series of tests on the Kopi Luwak beans and compared them with Columbian beans, which were used as a control." That's not good- they need to be compared to beans from the same area. At the very least, compared to other Indonesian beans, not beans from an entirely different continent. Cuvtixo (talk) 04:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kopi Muncak

Where is the citation for Kopi Mucak, where it comes from a barking deer?

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 from Univ. of Guelph web reference "But the big question was whether passing through the GI tract of the Luwak really makes Kopi Luwak coffee beans different from regular beans. So, Marcone and other members of his department completed a series of tests on the Kopi Luwak beans and compared them with '''''Columbian beans''''', which were used as a control."   That's not good- they need to be compared to beans from the same area.  At the very least, compared to other Indonesian beans, not beans from an entirely different continent.  [[User:Cuvtixo|Cuvtixo]] ([[User talk:Cuvtixo|talk]]) 04:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
+== Kopi Muncak ==
+Where is the citation for Kopi Mucak, where it comes from a barking deer?