Talk:Miley Cyrus

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Previous discussions:

• Archive 1 April 2006 to December 2006
• Archive 2 January 2007 to March 2007
• Archive 3 April 2007 to October 2007 --NrDg 01:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• Archive 4 November 2007 to mid-February 2008--WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 20:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirect and article

Now, she has changed her name and it's "Miley Ray Cyrus" but when you hit the "Go" button when you search on "Miley Ray Cyrus" you get redirected to "Miley Cyrus" article, shouldn't it be moved to "Miley Ray Cyrus" and let the "Miley Cyrus" page be the redirect to "Miley Ray Cyrus"? Thanks for reading, leave your comments. --Kanonkas, Take Contact (talk) 09:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure yet. See [1]: there may not be all it's cracked up to be in this name change. It might just be a middle name. The Evil Spartan (talk) 09:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Everything needs to stay the way it is now. Most people have middle names that are mentioned in their article ledes but not in the article title. Articles are named after what the person is most commonly known as, what people are most likely to search on. Redirects are placed on the lesser known alternatives. All her credits are still "Miley Cyrus" and unless and until she starts getting better known by her full name, we need to keep using her stage name. --NrDg 14:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Signature?

Is it necessary that we have to add her signature on the page? She's not all to important, currently not a President.--Cinnamonroll (talk) 03:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It is illustrative of the person just like the picture. It is a free image from commons. It is not necessary to remove it. Importance is not a criteria for inclusion in wiki - notability is and the subject meets that hurdle. I think it is nice that the autograph of a celebrity is in the article. --NrDg 14:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

She did live in Toronto with her dad, Billy RayAlan’s 1st Sweetheart (talk) 21:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Verify this or revert this...

What? When did she ever live in Toronto? It seems like we have a jealous "I know she did because I want her to" user. --AOL Alex (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The information is well referenced in the article. No need for additional verification. --NrDg 19:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Check out this article from the Toronto Star, which contains this line: "She performed the latter half of the 90-minute set as Miley – brunette topped and slightly more mature in style for tunes from her debut album, such as "G.N.O. (Girls Night Out)" and "East Northumberland High," which she explained was named for the Toronto school she attended while living here when her dad, country singing star Billy Ray Cyrus, was filming a TV show." I believe the TV show in question is Doc (TV series). Tabercil (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course East Northumberland Secondary School is in Brighton, ON not Toronto... (http://esip.edu.gov.on.ca/english/profiles/school_info.asp?ID=B66079&schoolid=906719) - so... either she lived somewhere closer to school (read: not in Toronto), or she had quite the commute every day... (almost 2 hours according to Google Maps) --Kmenzel (talk) 03:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Probably being loose with city names in the interview - Toronto is an internationally well known city, not many cities close to Toronto are so use Toronto to get people aware of the general location. We go by what we can reference and she said what she said. The error is with her, not us. We don't know where the actual filming of the show was either and there would be no problem if the family lived in Brighton and Billy Ray was the one to commute. We don't know, it is speculation and we have a reference we can use.--NrDg 03:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Controversy: the ticket lawsuit

As long as this article has a "Controversy" section, shouldn't there be a mention of the lawsuit against the Miley Cyrus Fan Club over the distribution of concert tickets? (See ABC News for example.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It is well covered in the article about the concert. See Best of Both Worlds Tour#Tickets controversy and, since it really has nothing to do with Miley Cyrus, belongs in that article only. --NrDg 16:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with Metro's first comment....I think there should at least be a brief mention of the concert ticket distribution fiasco and lawsuit. Further detail can be left to the article on the BoBW Tour, but at least the existence of the controversy should be mentioned. Readers who then want to know more can go to that page for further info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.66.193 (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Again this has absolutely nothing to do with Cyrus other than she was the headliner on a popular tour that had ticket allocation problems. The issue is adequately covered in the tour article. The most that could be said in this article is that because of her popularity tickets were quickly sold out and hard to come by - if that is backed up with WP:RS analysis. That is not controversial. --NrDg 15:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Country Pop?

I don't know about including Miley in this genre listing. I think that better describes her dad. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 17:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I've always wondered about how we do the genre categorization. For everything else we need a reference - for this type of info it seems the wiki culture to let people do their own evaluation and put in what they determine, thus the continuous changes. Is there some WP:RS type commentary or evaluation of a respected music critic that we can reference. I would just remove any genre that is disputed that can't be backed up if it were solely my decision. --NrDg 19:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with NrDg on this....even i have never figured out how people manage to add just about any genre to the list.....but then if the infobox has a "genre" field, then we have to add it....i guess then we have to go by the general consensus. Esp. the genres "Hard rock", "Heavy metal" ,"pop", "bubblegum pop" are used interchangingly. guess consensus is the only way out....Gprince007 (talk) 12:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Archive time

63 KB...I think it may be time to archive the page. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 19:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

{{sofixit}} The Evil Spartan (talk) 06:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Official MySpace

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Math-A-Thon host

I just found out that Miley's this year's Math-A-Thon co-host. Should it be mentioned somewhere that she's doing charity work?Look here for the source![2] Abcw12 (talk) 00:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Saw it. Looks like all systems are go as far as I'm concerned. Just emphasize the connection for this Mathathon to St. Jude's Children's Hospital. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 20:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Miley Ray Cyrus vs. Destiny Hope Cyrus

See http://www.tmz.com/2008/03/17/a-cyrus-by-any-other-name/. Her name is still Destiny Hope Cyrus - we jumped the gun as the papers to change her name were filed with the court on Mar 14.--NrDg 21:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's official now. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

That source agrees with TMZ ... she filed the papers. The judge hasn't ruled yet.Kww (talk) 18:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Court has to rule and a public notice still needs to be made to make the change valid. Right now the change is in progress but not done yet. The TMZ source has the primary sourced court filing documents. All other references root to TMZ. --NrDg 18:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

WAVY 10 Fan, what is the big rush anyway? Everyone knows about it, there is no point to rush it into the article prematurely. Wait for the legalities to get out of the way, then the change can be made. This article isn't going anywhere, and likely neither are you. ;) Patience is a virtue. --Charitwo ^talk 19:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know the decision had not become finalized yet until after I posted that. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 20:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

YouTube

Do you think it is relavent to put Miley's YouTube account? It says on the editing page that all suggestions for links should be posted here first. Mouseinthehouse (talk) 17:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Almost certainly not, youtube requires proprietary browser plugins to use. Also, do you have evidence that this is indeed her official page? Even if so, we would normally only need to link to one official site, which would then itself have links to other official sites. --Yamla (talk) 17:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[ec] I don't think so. What is it used for (ie: what gets posted?), and how do we know it's official? EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It is provably her YouTube account as it is videos of her posted by her. The browser plugins are standard plugins so I don't see that as an issue - it works with Firefox, no need to log in to see the videos either. However, it currently has no encyclopedic content. She is planning on some Q&As though and that might give a WP:RS primary source of info to include in the article. I'd suggest waiting until something usable is actually there. --NrDg 19:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed; the reliability is a much more significant factor than a "it uses Flash video" argument. Even then, I don't see a need to link to the profile itself; if she's posting material that can be used as sources, than we use those individual files as citations. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

A slightly orthogonal point is that the fact she has a YouTube channel is WP:N notable by WP:RS reliable sources such as People Magazine. It is impacting her and if this information is included in the article a link to the YouTube channel would be valid as there is background information written by Cyrus herself as to her motivation. --NrDg 20:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)