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The result was keep as rewritten. --MCB (talk) 07:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Mckv (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Failure of WP:ORG, no WP:RS, (sidenote: talk in article) - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 05:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Whilst in it's original state it might have appeared to be non-notable and quite frankly not a very good article, It needed cleaning up and expanding and I have done that as much as I have been able to thus far, and it does seem to be notable. There are plenty of souces online which I am trawling through to use some. It is also affiliated to West Bengal University of Technology. I Have also moved it to the correct title, MCKV Institute of Engineering. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 06:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and close retargeted, rewritten article. It remains whether or not Mckv should be retained as a useful redirect, but the appropriate venue for that is WP:RfD instead of AfD. Clearly the all-uppercase MCKV should be used as a redirect or dab page. B.Wind (talk) 06:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 01:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Middle School Attached to Nanjing University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Contains no reliable sources or references. Does not appear to have potential to become notable, as internet searches reveal practically no reference to this institution. Noetic Sage 18:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. KTC (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. PeterSymonds | talk 20:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to High School Affiliated to Nanjing Normal University: I did a google search on the school's Chinese name. Since in Chinese, (in Chinese) 中學 (pronounced zhong xue) can mean junior high or senior high school, this article is basically reiterating the same information as High School Affiliated to Nanjing Normal University. This redirect article has minor notability (mainly from notable alumni), currently rated as a stub. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 03:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - thanks for this. The problem, that I see, is that the middle school was founded in 1896 and the high school in 1902 which indicates separate establishments. TerriersFan (talk) 16:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Ketsuekigata (talk) 02:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. John254 23:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- University of Georgia College of Environment & Design (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
There appears to be little information on this university college anywhere. It fails to satisfy notability guidelines because it provides no reliable sources that have significant coverage of the college itself (rather than simply ranking one program in the college). Even with the best architecture program in the country, the college itself is not notable. Noetic Sage 18:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. —Noetic Sage 18:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: (Disclaimer - I created this article) I believe this article meets notability guidelines. The third party sources quoted are reliable sources ("Material that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable"). Granted the undergrad/grad rankings are short in size, but they are non-trivial - this is a primary organization in that field and they put much work and thought into the rankings. The sources quoted show a continued presence in those rankings by the school. Also, the College's only undergraduate degree is a Bachelor of Landscape Architecture and the Master of Landscape Architecture is one of two graduate degrees, so the rankings are for the vast majority of college not just a program as mentioned above. It should be noted that the school changed it's name in 2001 so that can pose some difficulty when finding references to the school before that time. There are numerous articles about the school available (they obviously need to be put in the article itself). For example: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. George Hargreaves is a notable alumni. Finally, this article already contains more third-party citations than any other school in Category:Landscape architecture schools. --Roswell native (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep - This is one of many forks from University of Georgia, which would be a huge article if it included detailed content about all sixteen of its constituent schools and colleges. It would not make much sense to delete this one article, while keeping the other fifteen separate articles for individual schools and colleges within the university. --Orlady (talk) 20:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - If you look at any of the other featured university articles, none of them include detailed content about all of their constituent colleges. Furthermore, many of these schools do not have subarticles for these constituent colleges. I would argue that the University of Georgia article should not have this detailed information. Wikipedia is not a guide to education or all the different academic programs in each university. I also agree that it would not make much sense to delete this while keeping the other 15 articles, which is why they should be deleted as well.—Noetic Sage 20:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Well, if that's your perspective, please don't simply delete the articles. Instead, merge the content back into the parent article. When contributors heed the guidance at Wikipedia:Article size by splitting off article components that appear to them to have stand-alone notability, only to have the split-off articles deleted, articles like University of Georgia end up with content about peripheral topics like the history of individual campus buildings, but without content about the university's academic programs. --Orlady (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - If you look at any of the other featured university articles, none of them include detailed content about all of their constituent colleges. Furthermore, many of these schools do not have subarticles for these constituent colleges. I would argue that the University of Georgia article should not have this detailed information. Wikipedia is not a guide to education or all the different academic programs in each university. I also agree that it would not make much sense to delete this while keeping the other 15 articles, which is why they should be deleted as well.—Noetic Sage 20:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Classic breakout article per WP:SIZE. Fairly well sourced all by itself though, enough for a weak keep. Hobit (talk) 02:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Up-Merge and Delete I sympathize with User:Roswell native and understand where User:Orlady's rebuttal on article size, but I've read through the article, and it really doesn't seem like there's enough notability. Name change's been noted, alumni noted, but this is almost (if not exactly) like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florida Institute of Technology/College of Engineering, which was deleted without redirect after I moved it into a new list of every single college at Florida Tech. I'm not saying that since my article was deleted this one should be too, just saying that the circumstances are similar enough to bring them into comparison. Advice about bickering the reason behind an editor nominating an article for deletion is to be proactive about the deletion process and seek a way to save/salvage the information yourself. If you really want this information to be merged, copy this article into your personal user sandbox, and if/when the article is deleted, merge it into the main university article yourself. It's really that simple. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 04:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand The major divisions of a university are notable, because enough important things can be said and sourced about them. It would be notable if free-standing, and it's no less notable though it is part of a larger unit. There is major potential for growth, and if a merge is proposed I will surely oppose it. It seems something was done inappropriately on another article, and that should be reconsidered, not used as a precedent. DGG (talk) 05:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand Schools and colleges that comprise major research universities, of which UGA is one, are generally notable considering the far reaching impact in scientific understanding within the school's particular scope, as well as the $10s to 100s of millions in annual budgets and economic impact they typically encompass. This is a stub level article, however, but there is plenty of precedent for its inclusion in wikipedia. cp101p (talk) 08:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or merge, this administrative division of the school is notable, because it has sources that say it is notable--number one in the US for landscape architecture, it seems. AnteaterZot (talk) 18:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep and expand This is a College within a Major Research University. Jccort (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Wizardman 02:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Savannah State University College of Business Administration (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Google searches reveal little coverage of this topic. It fails to satisfy notability guidelines because it provides no reliable sources that have significant coverage of the college itself (accreditation databases are not significant coverage). Noetic Sage 19:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep, but improve the article by giving it an appropriate lead, reference citations, etc. This is a fork off from Savannah State University, although the article fails to mention its parentage. Notability derives from the main article. It looks to me like it was split off without bringing along the reference citations or writing a lead. I would suggest merging it back into the parent article, but Savannah State University is long enough without including this content. --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: In fact, notability is not inherited from a parent article. Just because Savannah State University is notable does not mean that all of its constituent colleges are notable. Each subarticle still has to satisfy general notability guidelines on its own.—Noetic Sage 20:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is information that should be pared to fit into the parent article. Wikipedia is not a directory of every academic program within a school. The American definition of college is not sufficiently independent from the university to merit a separate article. --Dhartung | Talk 20:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - This article was created because the Savannah State University article was tagged as {{verylong}}. This article was created to retain the information in Wikipedia. As previously stated with the recommending editor I do not agree with deletion recommendation, however, I am the origianal editor. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Classic breakout article per WP:SIZE. This really should have been bundled.... Hobit (talk) 02:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand The major divisions of a university are notable, because enough important things can be said and sourced about them. It would be notable if free-standing, and it's no less notable though it is part of a larger unit. DGG (talk) 05:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Bundle Merge Savannah State University College of Business Administration, Savannah State University College of Sciences and Technology, and Savannah State University College of Liberal Arts and Social Sciences into Savannah State University Academics. Although I agree with Noetic Sage in citing WP:ITSA, merging all subsequent colleges into one article should definitely demonstrate proper notability (I mean it's the academics part of the university...:D). Note recent move I made from List of Florida Institute of Technology Colleges and Laboratories -> Florida Institute of Technology Academics. This has been done to other university articles as well and it's worked out quite well. (Off-topic Side-note: we might need to bundle merge subsequent colleges belonging to University of Florida.) - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 22:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, this administrative division of the school is not notable. Although it has many students, faculty and buildings, it really consists of little more than a few rules and a few bureaucrats that function in the background of the university's real functions. An example of a notable administrative subunit of a university is the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business, which might have a bit too many listed profs, but has oodles of sources for its top ten rankings; in BusinessWeek, The Economist, Financial Times, Forbes, USA Today, US News & World Report, and the Wall Street Journal. AnteaterZot (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - These 3 Savannah State University articles proposed for deletion are not about school administration. Rather, they comprise most of Wikipedia's content about this university's academic programs. --Orlady (talk) 02:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Wizardman 02:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Savannah State University College of Sciences and Technology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Google searches reveal little coverage of this topic. It fails to satisfy notability guidelines because it provides no reliable sources that have significant coverage of the college itself (accreditation databases are not significant coverage). It has little potential to become notable in the future. Noetic Sage 19:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. —Noetic Sage 19:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but improve the article by giving it an appropriate lead, reference citations, etc. This is a fork off from Savannah State University, although the article fails to mention its parentage. Notability derives from the main article. It looks to me like it was split off without bringing along the reference citations or writing a lead. I would suggest merging it back into the parent article, but Savannah State University is long enough without including this content. --Orlady (talk) 19:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: In fact, notability is not inherited from a parent article. Just because Savannah State University is notable does not mean that all of its constituent colleges are notable. Each subarticle still has to satisfy general notability guidelines on its own.—Noetic Sage 20:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is information that should be pared to fit into the parent article. Wikipedia is not a directory of every academic program within a school. The American definition of college is not sufficiently independent from the university to merit a separate article. --Dhartung | Talk 20:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - This article was created because the Savannah State University article was tagged as {{verylong}}. This article was created to retain the information in Wikipedia. As previously stated with the recommending editor I do not agree with deletion recommendation, however, I am the origianal editor. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Classic breakout article per WP:SIZE. These probably should have been bundled. Hobit (talk) 02:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The major divisions of a university are notable, because enough important things can be said and sourced about them. It would be notable if free-standing, and it's no less notable though it is part of a larger unit. DGG (talk) 05:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Bundle Merge Savannah State University College of Business Administration, Savannah State University College of Sciences and Technology, and Savannah State University College of Liberal Arts and Social Sciences into Savannah State University Academics. Although I agree with Noetic Sage in citing WP:ITSA, merging all subsequent colleges into one article should definitely demonstrate proper notability (I mean it's the academics part of the university...:D). Note recent move I made from List of Florida Institute of Technology Colleges and Laboratories -> Florida Institute of Technology Academics. This has been done to other university articles as well and it's worked out quite well. (Off-topic Side-note: we might need to bundle merge subsequent colleges belonging to University of Florida.) - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 00:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, this administrative division of the school is not notable. Although it has many students, faculty and buildings, it really consists of little more than a few rules and a few bureaucrats that function in the background of the university's real functions. An example of a notable administrative subunit of a university is the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business, which might have a bit too many listed profs, but has oodles of sources for its top ten rankings; in BusinessWeek, The Economist, Financial Times, Forbes, USA Today, US News & World Report, and the Wall Street Journal. AnteaterZot (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - These 3 Savannah State University articles proposed for deletion are not about school administration. Rather, they comprise most of Wikipedia's content about this university's academic programs. --Orlady (talk) 02:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Wizardman 02:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Savannah State University College of Liberal Arts and Social Sciences (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Google searches reveal little coverage of this topic. It fails to satisfy notability guidelines because it provides no reliable sources that have significant coverage of the college itself (accreditation databases are not significant coverage). It has little potential to become notable in the future. Noetic Sage 19:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. —Noetic Sage 19:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but improve the article by giving it an appropriate lead, reference citations, etc. This is a fork off from Savannah State University, although the article fails to mention its parentage. Notability derives from the main article. It looks to me like it was split off without bringing along the reference citations or writing a lead. I would suggest merging it back into the parent article, but Savannah State University is long enough without including this content. --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: In fact, notability is not inherited from a parent article. Just because Savannah State University is notable does not mean that all of its constituent colleges are notable. Each subarticle still has to satisfy general notability guidelines on its own.—Noetic Sage 20:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the important sections are:
- "In addition, notability of a parent entity or topic (of a parent-child "tree") does not always imply the notability of the subordinate entities." And
- "Often, a separate article is created for formatting and display purposes. However, this does not imply an "inherited notability" per se"
- I think the important sections are:
- Comment: In fact, notability is not inherited from a parent article. Just because Savannah State University is notable does not mean that all of its constituent colleges are notable. Each subarticle still has to satisfy general notability guidelines on its own.—Noetic Sage 20:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is information that should be pared to fit into the parent article. Wikipedia is not a directory of every academic program within a school. The American definition of college is not sufficiently independent from the university to merit a separate article. --Dhartung | Talk 20:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but, wiki should have some policy on schools - clearly, every accredited Ph.D. granting institution, all landgrant colleges etc are worthy, but is there a line ? many local schools have a wiki aritcle, so I don't see why a whole college can't have one.Cinnamon colbert (talk) 23:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - This article was created because the Savannah State University article was tagged as {{verylong}}. This article was created to retain the information in Wikipedia. As previously stated with the recommending editor I do not agree with deletion recommendation, however, I am the origianal editor. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Classic breakout article per WP:SIZE. Hobit (talk) 01:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The major divisions of a university are notable, because enough important things can be said and sourced about them. It would be notable if free-standing, and it's no less notable though it is part of a larger unit. DGG (talk) 05:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Bundle Merge Savannah State University College of Business Administration, Savannah State University College of Sciences and Technology, and Savannah State University College of Liberal Arts and Social Sciences into Savannah State University Academics. Although I agree with Noetic Sage in citing WP:ITSA, merging all subsequent colleges into one article should definitely demonstrate proper notability (I mean it's the academics part of the university...:D). Note recent move I made from List of Florida Institute of Technology Colleges and Laboratories -> Florida Institute of Technology Academics. This has been done to other university articles as well and it's worked out quite well. (Off-topic Side-note: we might need to bundle merge subsequent colleges belonging to University of Florida.) - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 00:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, this administrative division of the school is not notable. Although it has many students, faculty and buildings, it really consists of little more than a few rules and a few bureaucrats that function in the background of the university's real functions. An example of a notable administrative subunit of a university is the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business, which might have a bit too many listed profs, but has oodles of sources for its top ten rankings; in BusinessWeek, The Economist, Financial Times, Forbes, USA Today, US News & World Report, and the Wall Street Journal. AnteaterZot (talk) 17:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - These 3 Savannah State University articles proposed for deletion are not about school administration. Rather, they comprise most of Wikipedia's content about this university's academic programs. --Orlady (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Monash University Gippsland Student Union (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable organization by WP:ORG. It is the student union for a particular subcampus of a university. Paddy Simcox (talk) 13:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I would otherwise suggest it be merged into the subcampus' article, but since it already is word for word, and it's not notable... WilliamH (talk) 15:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Perfectly notable institution, and the nominator is running around the project hitting student union articles at random. Rebecca (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Even if I was "hitting them at random" that doesn't make this organization notable. Please assume good faith (that is, I am nominating this article because I believe it is on a not-notable topic) and prove notability rather than arbitrarily claiming that it is notable. Paddy Simcox (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You're also singling out a whole ton of random student union articles from all over the world. You have absolutely no idea whether this is notable or not. Rebecca (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How does somebody single something out by nominating articles from all over the world? Those things are the opposite of each other. An organization is made notable by sources, which this one doesn't have. Paddy Simcox (talk) 06:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The point I'm getting at is that this article is superfluous on a word for word basis to the subcampus article itself. There is nothing which it elaborates or provides greater detail on. WilliamH (talk) 13:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How does somebody single something out by nominating articles from all over the world? Those things are the opposite of each other. An organization is made notable by sources, which this one doesn't have. Paddy Simcox (talk) 06:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You're also singling out a whole ton of random student union articles from all over the world. You have absolutely no idea whether this is notable or not. Rebecca (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Even if I was "hitting them at random" that doesn't make this organization notable. Please assume good faith (that is, I am nominating this article because I believe it is on a not-notable topic) and prove notability rather than arbitrarily claiming that it is notable. Paddy Simcox (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This organization's sister Monash University Student Union Caulfield was nominated for deletion in November, with the result being "Merge/redirect". Paddy Simcox (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Bduke (talk) 00:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Student Unions aren't inherently notable, and there no evidence that this particular union is notable, so delete under WP:ORG. (Unless evidence of notability pops up. But for now, 0 hits on google news. -- Bfigura (talk) 03:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Would only merit an article if there was something distinctive to set it apart from other student unions, apart from its location. An uphill battle, methinks. Murtoa (talk) 04:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to general article on Monash Student Unions - why is there no general article on all student unions at Monash instead articles that aren't worth keeping on each campus? Can someone please write this article? JRG (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, Monash student unions in general seem to have plenty of notability and secondary coverage ([11], [12], [13]). Perhaps the solution is to write a general article on all of the Monash student unions, because they definitely have collective notability. With that said, there seems to be enough written about the actions of this organisation and people within it to just move it across the notability line. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- Perhaps the solution is to include those news reports in the Monash University articles where they belong. They do not demonstrate the notability of the union, but are about typical funding/political conflicts that involve the University for which the opinion of students was mentioned. Paddy Simcox (talk) 14:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. —Noetic Sage 22:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Monach University student unions. Twenty Years 13:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete, mainly due to the lack of secondary sources and a total lack of useful information (Students are elected to positions each year? And they deal with a range of student issues? Fancy that!). Could be ok as a stub if secondary sources are introduced.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 14:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Week keep An article on the student union should not be too difficult to source should someone be interested. If a merge is the outcome, the merge should be with Monash University Gippsland and not the main Monash Student Union article. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- La Trobe University Student Representative Council (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable organization. Has a few editors who won't even allow a notability tag to remain on the article. No sources, and has been tagged for them since December 2006. Fails WP:ORG. Paddy Simcox (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - all such student union bodies must have the secondary sources needed to meet WP:ORG. It hasn't, and doesn't. TerriersFan (talk) 22:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- And what steps have you taken to find them that you can make such a sweeping statement? -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as above XCharltonTilliDieX (talk) 23:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- Bduke (talk) 00:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment My suspicion is there is sufficient rich history of this organisation throughout the 1970s in particular that could make this entry notable. Verifiable secondary sources may end up being offline which would make the effort greater, but could well be worthwhile. Murtoa (talk) 04:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral More work could make this article meet WP:ORG. --Sharkface217 02:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. —Noetic Sage 22:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but cull - The organisation is probably notable (despite a total lack of sources), but just about everything is uncited and/or unencyclopaedic. So my vote would be to reduce the article to a stub until one of the regular editors can be bothered expanding the page in a helpful way. However if, as has been said above, the editors just keep reverting changes, a delete might be more appropriate. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep A significant student union involved in many political campaigns both inside and outside the university itself. A visit to the library would certainly find adequate sources for this article. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merged into Nipissing University. ➨ REDVEЯS paints a vulgar picture 20:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nipissing University Student Union (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
The entire text of the article: The Nipissing University Student Union represents undergraduate students at Nipissing University in North Bay, Ontario & Muskoka, Ontario, Canada. They are members of the Canadian Federation of Students. I redirected this non-notable organization to its university, and was reversed by an editor who strongly believes in the notability of all student unions. I anticipate that the debate on this will be characterized by a variety of off-topic comments, let's hope I am wrong. This organization fails WP:N and WP:ORG. Paddy Simcox (talk) 10:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Inherently notable. Bad-faith nomination as the nominator has done this to several SU articles. GreenJoe 11:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Where is it written that student unions are inherently notable? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 13:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia has no deadline. Where is it written that they're not inherently notable? SU's do a lot of stuff that is notable, and has coverage, but may not be immediately available to find on the web. It may require a visit to a library for example. GreenJoe 14:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "This is an essay; it contains the advice and/or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. It is not a policy or guideline, and editors are not obliged to follow it.". This user does not see like he's acting against WP:AGF, simply group AfDing student union articles in which the editor feels nn (and has very good reason to believe so), but did not feel like a bundle AfD is appropriate. I don't see a problem with this nominator. However, I do see random attacks at those who nominate AfDs and vote for deletion has gotten non-excuse excuses. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 03:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC) (including, but not limited to mentioning of bad faith, even so much as to Wikistalking. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 03:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Student unions are not inherently notable, and this article doesn't even attempt to assert notability. Resolute 14:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I agree that Student Unions are not notable per se. One must demonstrate that the union meets Wikipedia's criteria of notability for inclusion in the encyclopedia like any other subject and this article does not even indicate the significance or importance of its subject. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—While I disagree with the notion that student unions have inherent notability, I do think that GreenJoe makes an important point about attempting to search for sources prior to declaring an article's subject non-notable. I checked the North Bay Nugget and found nothing. When I checked a library database of newspaper articles from larger Canadian newspapers, I found four articles.
- One is a 2006 Globe and Mail article about the comfortable atmosphere that the university president helped create at NU, and the student union president is one of the students quoted.
- There's a 2003 Calgary Herald article about a different NU president and again, a student union president is one of the people quoted in the article.
- A 2002 Canadian Press article discusses some controversy about a sign outside a student pub; "student union officials" said the university president had requested the sign's removal.
- Finally, there is a 1999 Sudbury Star article quoting the student union president about students' attempts to have the Mike Harris government freeze tuition.
- Since all these articles are about some other subject and not primarily about the NU student union, I am doubtful that this is enough to establish WP:N notability. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, and if one looks at the appalling shape of the Nipissing University article, one should come to the conclusion that the push for separate articles for student unions is dilatory. Paddy Simcox (talk) 18:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- you have to check the google caches: North Bay Nugget as canoe.ca, like every other Sun Media/Quebecor media news source, deletes its articles after a while. nat.utoronto 06:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since all these articles are about some other subject and not primarily about the NU student union, I am doubtful that this is enough to establish WP:N notability. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I know Other Crap Exists is not an argument, but there has, since 2004, been a template for Canadian university student unions Template:Csa which has far as I can tell has never even been nominated for deletion. There seems to me to be four years of precendence here establishing notability for all university student associations.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: With practically zero reliable sources or potential for sources (as Paul Erik notes above), this article will never be able to establish notability outside the local scope of its operations.—Noetic Sage 18:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of university deletions. —Noetic Sage 18:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no non-trivial coverage.--Michael WhiteT·C 21:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. There are, as one might expect, many articles in the North Bay Nugget archive, including the following:
- Student union legal squabble settled at Nipissing University
- Sudbury Star (ON) - 02-17-2007 - 259 words
- Ken Sitter - They may not have kissed, but they have made up. Nipissing University Student Union president Sean Feretycki, former president Kyle Marsh and student union general manager Todd Fearnley announced a settlement
- Students angry as tuition rises: Nipissing University board approv...
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 05-05-2006 - 368 words
- Jennifer Hamilton-McCharles - Nipissing University students voiced opposition against a four per cent tuition hike approved by the university's board of governors Thursday. The tuition increase will mean first year arts and science
- Students protest pricey education
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 02-15-2007 - 571 words
- bryn weese - Students at Nipissing University are running out of money, and they have the debts to prove it. Many took the opportunity Wednesday to write down the amount of money they owe
- Tests, homework . . . and legal fees
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 01-20-2007 - 891 words
- BRYN WEESE - in their wildest dreams, or worst nightmares, did Kyle Marsh and Kyra Knapp think their university experience would include being sued for $425,000. The two history students, along with the
- Students protest after being shut out of NUSU meeting
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 01-20-2007 - 284 words
- Gord Young - About 15 students protested outside a closed-door meeting at the Education Centre Friday, claiming Nipissing University Student Union has flouted the principles of openness and transparency. The students, frustrated at
- Students voice frustration over high cost of tuition: Small group ...
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 03-04-2006 - 397 words
- Jennifer Hamilton-McCharles - if the province decides to lift a tuition freeze. The 18-year-old first-year Nipissing University student was one of six protesters outside Nipissing MPP Monique Smith's office Friday
- Nipissing University unfairly judged by Maclean's
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 11-14-2005 - 404 words
- Tom Condotta - 's ranking of Canadian universities released a week ago Sunday. I am a fourth-year student at Nipissing and confused by the rankings. Why did I leave Brampton to study in
- Nipissing University opens new facility
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 09-11-2000 - 219 words
- Nipissing University athletes finally have their own facility to call home. The $3.5-million Nipissing University Student Athletic Centre, which was funded primarily through student fees, will officially be opened
- Shinerama raises $13,000
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 09-10-2007 - 431 words
- BY BRANDI CRAMER - North Bay glittered Saturday as more than 300 Nipissing University and Canadore College students took to the streets for the 43rd annual Shinerama. Shoe shines, car washes, barbecues, even odd jobs
- Students face 4.5% tuition hike: Universities brace for hit to fin...
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 03-09-2006 - 551 words
- Maria Calabrese - put them deeper in debt to pay for a tuition increase this fall, says a Nipissing University Student Union executive. "Even if you make it so students can take out more
- Pub limits underage students: The Wall's liquor licence threatened
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 01-31-2006 - 488 words
- Tara Bowie - Underage students at Nipissing University and Canadore College have been banned from their school pub after 6 p.m. Student councils which oversee the operation of The Wall made the decision
- Campus eatery's controversial sign relegated to the garbage bin
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 08-30-2002 - 600 words
- Phil Novak - A jackass has been kicked off The Wall at the Nipissing University-Canadore College on-campus pub. The oversized donkey's posterior and its grinning four-legged owner are prominently featured
- NUSU GM sends cease, desist letter to students
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 12-20-2006 - 376 words
- bryn weese - Nipissing University Student Union's general manager, Todd Fearnley, has hired a lawyer to challenge statements by students he claims are defamatory. A letter dated Nov. 29 was sent to Kyra
- Statements challenged
- Kirkland Lake Northern News (ON) - 12-22-2006 - 348 words
- BrynWeese - Nipissing University Student Union's general manager, Todd Fearnley, has hired a lawyer to challenge statements by students he claims are defamatory.A letter dated Nov. 29 was sent to Kyra
- International flavours focus of annual food fair
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 02-09-2007 - 546 words
- Ken Sitter - to taste their efforts and the efforts of others, said organizer Melissa Toupin Laforge of Nipissing University, and raise money to support the World University Service of Canada (WUSC) Student Refugee
- Students complete successful food drive
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 09-11-2006 - 485 words
- Brandi Cramer The Nugget - North Bay's pavement Sunday to ensure their comrades in need won't go hungry. Nipissing University and Canadore College student leaders gathered participating freshmen and went door to door in
- Food bank's shelves emptying: Canadore, Nipissing students put out...
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 02-04-2003 - 625 words
- Brandi Cramer - Nipissing University president Dave Marshall is not surprised students may need to rely on the food bank to get through the academic year. "The best they are going to earn (at
- Students shine in annual fundraiser: Largest-ever effort meets goa...
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - Final - 09-09-2002 - 488 words
- Jennifer Hamilton-McCharles - With help from 450 Canadore College and Nipissing University students, the local effort was able to meet the $16,000 goal. "We raised more than $14,000 Saturday and we have
- Marshall returns to hand out awards
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 03-22-2007 - 265 words
- BRYN WEESE - For the fourth time in as many years, former Nipissing University president Dave Marshall returned to his old stomping grounds to help recognize the leadership abilities of nearly 30 students. The
- Money worries hit students hard
- North Bay Nugget (ON) - 10-06-2006 - 304 words
- Jennifer Hamilton-McCharles - The needs of Nipissing University students are different than five years ago, says the executive director of student affairs. Al Carfagnini made a presentation to Nipissing's board of governors, Thursday
On that basis, I say keep. --Eastmain (talk) 22:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- All those sources are extremely local; therefore they fail WP:ORG (please read it). Paddy Simcox (talk) 23:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree, The North Bay Nugget and the Sudbury Star are not "extremely local" as you call it, rural-ish maybe, are they are part of one of Canad's Media Empires, Quebecor. As well, the Sudbury Star is the largest newpaper in circulation in North-Eastern Ontario (Ontario is Canada's most populous province and its capital, Toronto, is Canada's economic Capital). nat.utoronto 19:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Eastmain. nat.utoronto 22:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - student bodies have to meet WP:ORG. This requires significant secondary sources. This page hasn't them and thus clearly fails notability standards. TerriersFan (talk) 22:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and merge I cannot discount the sources mentioned above to be completely useless, but it is local in scope, which directly violates WP:ORG. This article should be trimmed and merged into the main university's article in "Student life" and include those sources back into the main article for the trimmed version. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 01:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
KeepVery weak keep -- changed on the basis that the actual material there is not encyclopedic. There probably would be possible content, but it isnt that obvious that there's enough there to be worth keeping.I was about to vote delete on this one, but to my surprise it seems there are sufficient sources, though not all the evnts relatedare important.But the content of an article doesn't each sentence of it have to be notable, DGG (talk) 23:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Keep The NUSU is notable in a Canadian context due to the legal matters that have occurred there over the years. The sources may be local, but the NUSU has been extensively covered across Canada due to the legal battles. It also noteworthy due to the close association and overlap with the college student union. 74.210.37.60 FullSmash26 (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the numerous sources listed above. Oren0 (talk) 18:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Local sources. Anything interesting can be covered in the (very short) Nipissing University article. Paddy Simcox (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I assure you that the sources such as The Eyeopener and the Sudbury Star are not "local" at Nipissing. Sudbury, Ontario is at a 30-45 min drive from North Bay, Ontario (where Nipissing U is located), and Toronto (where The Eyeopeneris based) is a 3+ hours drive from North Bay, Ontario. and as I've started before: The North Bay Nugget and the Sudbury Star are not "extremely local" as you call it, rural-ish maybe, and they are part of one of Canada's Media Empires, Quebecor. As well, the Sudbury Star is the largest newpaper in circulation in North-Eastern Ontario (Ontario is Canada's most populous province and its capital, Toronto, is Canada's economic Capital). nat.utoronto 21:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Local sources. Anything interesting can be covered in the (very short) Nipissing University article. Paddy Simcox (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge for now to school page. Hobit (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to the university's article, as independent notability has not been shown but within the context of the school it is quite relevant. Biruitorul (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge As per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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