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Gay Porn found?

I'd like to work this info in at some point: Many of his victims (all males) were found buried with gay pornography. (I believe there was some evidence of sexual assault as well, but more research is needed.) And the local community, which was feeling the empowerment of the Chicano Movement, began a large public relations and legal defense campaign that was eventually embarrased by their defense of a mass murderer. At 25 kills, Corona is a serial killer with one of the highest personal death tolls.--Rockero 22:18, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mexicans have uncontrollable sex drives and will simply have sex with anyone or anything. Bringing up the "gay thing" to me sounds like a pretty cheap shot at homos. Even I would pull out the gay card on that one. Male serial killers don't all have to be gay. That much gay porn eh? I find it hard to believe that homosexuality ran that rampant in 1971. I'm thinking someone is a conservative douche bag.-- Jloeblein 00:57, 1 December 2006

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 :Mexicans have uncontrollable sex drives and will simply have sex with anyone or anything.  Bringing up the "gay thing" to me sounds like a pretty cheap shot at homos.  Even I would pull out the gay card on that one.  Male serial killers don't all have to be gay.   That much gay porn eh?  I find it hard to believe that homosexuality ran that rampant in 1971.  I'm thinking someone is a conservative douche bag.-- [[User:Jloeblein|Jloeblein ]] 00:57, 1 December 2006
-== Really guilty ? ==
-I was intrigued about the complete lack of any serious evidence to connect the alleged killer to the crimes so I went to look for more on the net. Here's the link I found with an extensive description of the case:
-http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/juan_corona/index.html
-I have to admit it's only one source, maybe it's the best, maybe not, I don't know.
-What I learned from there ?
-The police investigation was a disaster, they mixed up evidences, switched victims' identities, neglectfully handled evidences, came forward with experts saying one thing then other experts saying the opposite.
-There was not even a single clear evidence to link Corona to any of the murders.
-THE PROSECUTION'S STRONGEST POINTS
-The prosecution's strongest evidence was a ledger found in Corona's posession with the names of 34 people. Six of them were among the victims. Well, I can't find anything unusual about the fact that a labor contractor has ledgers with the names of his workers. If it would be a complete list of the 25 victims, it would be an undeniable evidence, but only 6 of the 34 people were among the victims.
-The prosecution found blood stains in his cars, initially stated being animal blood later stated to belong to three different people, none of them among the victims.
-About the blood stains we should consider the nature of the work on a farm. People working on the farms are unskilled, not very smart, otherwise they wouldn't end up working there. Frequently they receive sharp tools to do the work. They cannot gain experience working with them because the work is seasonal, it changes quickly, after a few days they must move forward to do something else.
-Sharp tools in the hands of an unexperienced and not wery smart worker, that's the best recipe for frequent accidents. It's normal for a labor contractor who moves workers with his car to have such stains there.
-I repeat, none of the stains belonged to any of the victims.
-Two receipts from shopping belonging to Corona were found in one of the graves.
-If you move workers with your cars, such receipts may end up stucked to their clothes or shoes.
-It's also possible to give something to a worker (maybe work equipment, tools, documents) and have it baged it in one of the bags he had from shopping.
-There are lots of possible explanations, other than being the murderer. That proves nothing.
-Corona wasn't an idiot, his IQ was 130, it's hard to believe he would have made such a suicidal mistake to throw in a grave a receipt with his signature.
-Probably the best proof of guilt is the declaration of the Mexican consul (Corona had no American citizenship but had the Mexican one). He quoted Corona saying: "Yes, I did it, but I am a sick man and a sick man cannot be judged by the same standards as other men."
-I see some problems here.
-First of all the consul wasn't an impartial witness. He was supposed to take care of the citizens of his country. To make an incriminating assertion about Corona's guilt was the best deffense for his own inactivity. Suppose him a honest person ? Let me have my doubts about the politicians' honesty.
-Even if it was true, there's one more problem.  Years of enprisonment can break down somebody beyond recognizable. Corona was a schizophrenic with delusional episodes. It was possible for him to end up believing what everybody told him all the time: "you did it, you did it, you did it".
-COSMETIZED EVIDENCE
-Evidences clearly proving the inocence of the defendant, return later in a cosmetized version to proof, in the best case scenatio, nothing.
-Some examples:
-Tire traces found at the crime scene are clearly ruled out to belong to any of the defendant's cars. Police scores -1. That should normally completely rule out the defendant as beeing the murderer.
-Later the experts return saying that evidences were mixed up, now they have the right ones (sure?) and it cannot be ruled out that they belong to the defendant's cars. That still doesn't make them to belong to Corona. Police scores 0. (Score "embellished", yet proving nothing.)
-A cigarette but found in one of the graves is rulled out to belong to the defendant or the victim laying there, based on the analysis of the blod type. Police scores -1. That's another evidence clearly and completely rulling out the defendant as the killer.
-Later the tests performed on the cigarette but are declared inconclusive (it looks like somebody successfully persuaded the experts for an "improved" testimony). Police scores 0. (For them, better nothing than simply allowing an innocent person walk away.)
-OTHER FACTORS
-The killer was homosexual. Corona was a religious person, never missed the Church, the Catholic church repudiates homesexualism. He was happily married father of four girls. I know that's not enough to rule out homosexuality, but no evidence about his homosexuality was ever found. The prosecution never tried to bring forward such evidences, not even cosmetized ones.
-Corona was Mexican, his workers were mostly Mexicans, he appeared to have a preference for his conationals. Yet when those scenes of sex and death occured, the killer showed a complete lack of interrest for them, none of the victims were Mexican.
-When somebody commits a large number of murders, lots of clearly incriminating evidences are found. Check the history of serial killers, no matter how dumb or smart they were, the police was able to find in all cases many clearly incriminating evidences. No such evidence was found in this case.
-IF NOT CORONA, THEN WHO ?
-That's the worst possible question, it assumes that we necessarily know the killer and will find Corona not guilty only if we have a better replacement. But Corona's guilt or inocence should not depend on what we know about others, it should depend solely on what he did. The killer can be a completely unknown person. The fact that we know nothing about him doesn't grant us the right to take as a replacement somebody we know.
-POSSIBLE OTHER SCENARIOS
-. The killer can be one of the coworkers of the victims. Most farm workers have no fixed address, it's difficult to find them, they have no belongings to be searched. Most convenient for the police is to pick somebody they know.
-. Can be one of the farmers who employed the workers.
-. Can be somebody who roamed the area and picked up hitchhikers. Many farm workers have no cars, hitchhiking is a good ooportunity to save on bus tickets.
-A FINAL STATEMENT
-So, actually was he guilty or not ?
-Frankly, I don't know. But I do know that a person was sent to jail for life without any clear evidence. And he's not the only one.
-Did you hear about a conviction ? Ask if they had any clear evidence. The fact that the police does on a regular basis a poor job and cannot produce any clear evidence should not be an excuse to convict innocents.
-We asume that the jury and the judge never make mistakes. If everybody else does, why are they excepted ?
-In the end, I'll tell you a short story... A murdered body was found by the police. Where ? Doesn't matter. Who was ? Doesn't matter. Bodies are found all the time, just pick one for our case. Did YOU kill him ? Obviously not. Can you spend the rest of your life in prison or be sentenced to death because of that ? As long as people can be convicted without any clear evidence the answer is definitely YES, it's possible.
-You are inocent. You can be the next Corona. Or me. Or any other inocent person.
-Fight against that. Do it today while you have credibility. Tomorrow, as a defendant, nobody will trust you anymore.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Srelu|Srelu]] ([[User talk:Srelu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Srelu|contribs]]) 20:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->