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Let us work in the best reference and presentation of archaeological sites of Cambodia beyond Angkor like Sambor Prei Kuk, Angkor Borei (Takeo), etc.

Should disambiguate Republican Party for Democracy and Renewal and generally try to link up social conscience with right-wing values.

I'm looking for the best picture or any informations about the KAF's U-6 (Beaver). It seem that the KAF had 3 aircrafts. But in 1971, during the viet cong's sapper attack at the Pochentong Air Base,at least 1 Beaver was destroyed.In 1972 at leat 1 Beaver was refurbished with a new engine. http://www.khmerairforce.com/AAK-KAF/AVNK-AAK-KAF/Cambodia-Beaver-KAF.JPG

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Lieutenant Général Sosthène Fernandez : Officier de l'école militaire khmère (Cambodge), Ecole d'Application d'Infanterie de Coëtquidan en France, Ecole d'Etat-Major (France), Ecole Supérieure de Guerre (France).

Le général sosthène Fernandez en 1975 ,faisait parti des premiers ,à résister avec courage et détermination contre les khmers rouges.

journal le monde 1975

Est-ce parce que la population et les troupes de ces enclaves craignent d'être abandonnées que le général sosthène Fernandez, commandant en chef républicain a cru nécessaire, le 3 mars, de publier "un ordre du jour numéro 10" :" Pour moi et mes collaborateurs, j'affirme solennellement que nous ne vous abandonnerons pas. Nous restons avec vous." Il a dû démissionner car il ne voulait pas déposer les armes face aux khmers rouges.Il voulait lutter pour la paix au cambodge. Il existe en fait,trois centres de pouvoir de décision: la présidence, le premier ministre (M.Long Boret) et le chef de l'armée le général Fernandez. QUOTES : Le général sosthène Fernandez a lancé un appel à la population de Phnom Penh lui demandant de lutter.Il ajoutait :"je n'abandonnerai pas mes hommes.Je n'abandonnerai pas le combat". Le monde du 12 mars 1975. Le général Sosthène Fernandez est également catholique,le père Ponchaud prètre français en Indochine dans son ouvrage à indiqué que "le chef des armées sosthène Fernandez était présent à l'église" pour une cérémonie en faveur de l'unité et la paix du pays. From vanderbilt television,1973 Major General Sosthène Fernandez,top Cambodian soldier doesn't want Thailand or South Vietnam to help cambodia with bomb support. As commander in chief of the F.A.N.K, he wanted to fight the red khmers and to make peace to his citizens and freedom in Cambodia. BIOGRAPHY C'est par une référence historique remontant au XVIIe siècle que ce commandant en chef de l'armée Khmère de 1972 à 1975 se raconte. Il explique que ses ancêtres,des musiciens philippins,sont venus au Cambodge à la demande du souverain de cet Etat pour former une fanfare royale. Le pays leur plaisant;ils y sont restés.C'est la raison pour laquelle on retrouve des Lopez et des Fernandez au Cambodge aujourd'hui encore, ou tout au moins dans ce qui en reste après le génocide. Un génocide de 3 millions de morts. C 'est pourquoi un devoir de mémoire est nécessaire pour ceux et celles qui ont été tués par les khmers rouges et surtout pour ces soldats républicains qui sont tombés pour le peuple cambodgien. En défendant la patrie, ils méritent les plus grands éloges.Ceux ci sont des hommes d'honneur.

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I think this article needs more details and some citations to show this person's importance, etc.

== I don't think unless someone puts a whole lot more work into this article, its not justified.General Fernandez was a military official in Cambodia. Everything in the article is covered by multiple other articles. At best General Fernandez deserves a mention in the Cambodia history articles covering 1970-1975. I think if someone put this up for Afd, it would be a good thing. 168.127.0.51 18:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that this article needs a lot mroe content and citations, I do not think it needs to be deleted. The beauty of Wikipedia is that, thanks to the efforts of several people from around the world this article is likely to get progressively better. -- Thaths 15:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV about subject's importance

Can someone explain to me why the statement "General Sosthène Fernandez was undoubtedly the most popular figure of Cambodia's war agaisnt the red khmer" is not POV? I keep removing it and it keeps being added back again. I consider this statement to be POV because:

How is 'most popular' to be measured? What evidence exists that the subject of this article is, indeed, 'most popular'?
'Undoubtedly'? In whose opinion?
Obviously, the subject has some importance, though there are very few links to this article from other wikipedia pages. That is why subject has a wiki entry. To add overly elevating POV notions about the subject does not, in any way, add any substance to the article.

Thaths 18:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit wars over nationality

Having checked several of my own books - I can now provide sources to show Fernandez was of EITHER Khmer OR Vietnamese descent. So it looks as though the jury is out on his nationality unless someone can get hold of the book her supposedly wrote. So how about we discuss the issue here instead of editing wars and user page insults? Paxse 17:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:PONIEV is not willing to negotiate, despite me having sent a message to him, and he has ignored them all. And my citation is an article of TIME magazine, which passes the criteria for Wikipedia:Reliable sources. If Poniev is willing to discuss, all of us are willing to work it out. Mr Tan 07:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or otherwise, you might want to show these two sources, stating with a paragraph saying "some sources show that Fernandez is Khmer-Filipino while other sources stated that he is viet-filipino" or something like that with proper cited sources. If otherwise, edits like those of Poniev with no proper sources will not be tolerated. Mr Tan 07:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is the best solution. Wikipedia is running very slowly and with many errors in my part of the world this evening (it took 10 minutes and several attempts to load this window) So please be patient and I'll add a second ref and a revised nationality in the next 24 hours. Cheers, Paxse 16:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good. But what if it is reverted? You know that Poniev is not-talkable and he is capable of anything. We shall see, step by step...When I went to Wikipedia:Requests for protection (check its archive for this article's request) User:Alison, an admin suggests that Poniev's case can be made as a vandalism case...Mr Tan 10:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The recent attempt by Fanmuong seems to be another in a series of moves to erase not only important questions about the subject of this wikipedia article, but also the fact that there is an ongoing discussion about these questions. -- Thaths (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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	:::Good. But what if it is reverted? You know that Poniev is not-talkable and he is capable of anything. We shall see, step by step...When I went to [[Wikipedia:Requests for protection]] (check its archive for this article's request) [[User:Alison]], an admin suggests that Poniev's case can be made as a vandalism case...[[User:Mr Tan\|Mr Tan]] 10:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)		:::Good. But what if it is reverted? You know that Poniev is not-talkable and he is capable of anything. We shall see, step by step...When I went to [[Wikipedia:Requests for protection]] (check its archive for this article's request) [[User:Alison]], an admin suggests that Poniev's case can be made as a vandalism case...[[User:Mr Tan\|Mr Tan]] 10:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

	::::The recent attempt by [[User:Fanmuong\|Fanmuong]] seems to be another in a series of moves to erase not only important questions about the subject of this wikipedia article, but also the fact that there is an ongoing discussion about these questions.		::::The recent attempt by [[User:Fanmuong\|Fanmuong]] seems to be another in a series of moves to erase not only important questions about the subject of this wikipedia article, but also the fact that there is an ongoing discussion about these questions. -- [[User:Thaths\|Thaths]] ([[User talk:Thaths\|talk]]) 15:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)