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Question

Question: I am the author of an upcoming webcomic (the title of which is on my blog), and was wondering if I could put that on my userpage. Would that go against policy? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 19:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

As you are an established editor, there has historically been a fair degree of permisiveness / freedom in what is acceptable on a user page. A single link to a blog or other site you have an interest in would seem in keeping with this. Pedro :  Chat  19:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

NO WAY. Well, okay. Tan | 39 19:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. RC-0722 ^247.5/1 00:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Municipal districts and cadastral areas of Prague

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Municipal districts and cadastral areas of Prague. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Mwalcoff (talk) 21:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. I see now the page was moved. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

This was a G7 - I'm not clear how there can be any DRV - the author can just re-create. Pedro :  Chat  21:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm very confused, because I know I wrote that template. Well, it's OK, because it's just been renamed, not deleted. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 06:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Already done sir - a potentially useful list, my thanks! Pedro :  Chat  08:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your valuable contribution in moving the Mayfield Park, Southampton problem forward. Too many people were shrugging their shoulders, not rectifying their mistakes, indicating that it wasn't their problem, that they weren't interested or that I should follow such and such a procedure. I never have much patience with that sort of attitude. So I'm pleased you popped up and took some responsibility to help get what was a really quite a simple issue sorted out. That's good customer service and good administration. Thanks again.

I hope the bigger issue of over-zealous deleting of new pages can be looked at and resolved, it is mightily frustrating and very de-motivating.

Yes I am from Hampshire. I was amazed that there was nothing about the Woolston ferry on Wikipedia, so I started that page and inevitably all sorts of other things dropped out of it. I've discovered quite a lot in the process, so its been rewarding from that point of view too. I certainly didn't expect to find myself looking at the page on cannibalism when I started writing about the Woolston ferry.

I hope to get some photo's on the pages I've been working on soon, when the weather is nice enough to get out and about to take them.

I am also hoping that some of the local history societies in this area will get involved in further extending some of the pages that I've started. Now that I've created them, I hope they will find them on Wikipedia and will want to add to them. I'll try to draw it to their attention. Hethurs (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Replied on user talk. Pedro :  Chat  08:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yo

User_talk:Kakofonous#Yo - thoughts on my rant?

Also, loved that link you showed me...seems I'm popular! :D dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh - nice reply at that link - I honestly first read it as MFD nit RFB - :)!! Anyhow, good rant. Good candidate as well, got my support Pedro :  Chat  08:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

So can I MFD you? :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Another question

What is your opinion of this? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 05:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

A potentially excellent list, however very high maintenance. If bots can generate significant parts of it, and if editors implicitly select to be on it (due to privacy issues), then I can see benefits. I personally note my active editing times on mt userpage, but I imagine few people look there. Pedro :  Chat  08:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

So you dont think that it'll conflict with the help desk? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 14:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It's really no different than WP:EA, except more organized with greater facilitation. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 15:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. WP:HELPDESK is a 24/7 thing for general questions, often asked by very, very new editors. I see this as a complement to the helpdesk, when newer editors seek advice from some with, perhaps, a greater degree of direct interaction. I can see faults with this list, but I also see no reason not to try it out. Pedro :  Chat  16:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the help! RC-0722 ^247.5/1 19:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Thanks for granting me rollback! I also heard you do admin coaching. Do you have any openings for that? - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 13:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi DT - I'm about to go off-line, but will respond Monday / Tuesday. Apologies I can't be quicker. Pedro :  Chat  13:08, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Hello Pedro, I was recommended to you by User:RyRy5. Would you perhaps like to be my admin coach? Editorofthewiki^{review my edits here!} 00:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll respond later today or tommorow - apologies for my time constraints at this moment. Pedro :  Chat  11:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible support

A helpful user has asked me to support him/her in the desire to get a bot going that will chop down super-long file names for images. I think [1] will give you the idea. Do you think this is a good idea? I've occasionally run across this problem and it makes the edit summaries hellish to manipulate. I did think this is a good idea, unless you can think of a reason against it? Accounting4Taste:talk 00:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I can my friend. Pedro :  Chat  11:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks for your comments! I'll happily accept your nominations. Admin coaching was just because I wasn't sure about running really, in case it was snowball-closed or just in case anyone had an issue with anything I've participated in. But, aah, looking forward to a good Bank Holiday all the same! Thanks! PeterSymonds | talk 03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words! PeterSymonds | talk 11:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I, PeterSymonds, hereby present Pedro with the honorary latest nominator v. support position prize, hereby excluding all nominators who henceforth join the said discussion. :) PeterSymonds | talk 20:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Pure class! Pedro :  Chat  22:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Walt Disney

What do you make of this? [2] Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to review the context for you. Leave it with me. Pedro :  Chat  11:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

BIG FAT NOTICE

"Admin Coaching", Mentorship & Collaborative Working.
Dear all. I've been having some thoughts on admin coaching, and it's role within Wikipedia. I've always assumed that it was more a "mentorship" process - and certainly not a "how to" guide to pass RfA. That would be disrespectful to the project we love. Given the recent level of requests I am receiving I am thinking now of creating a "mentor" page. A single page for all editors who believe they can benefit the project further with admin tools. By having a single page I believe we can all work collaboratively to help each other learn what needs to be learned. And when I say that, I explicitly mean "learn how to be a good admin" - and not - "how to become an admin". I think it is wrong of me to "admin coach" a number of people individually in what is a collaborative work. It is against the very nature of a wiki. When I have time, hopefully tomorrow (UTC), I would seek to merge all requests to one page where we can all discuss and review the actions of each other. More like a WP:AN but after the fact; e.g. - "I've done this, was it right" or "what do you guys think of this" etc etc. I would explicitly intend that this is not a dilution of proper venues - e.g. talk pages of articles or WP:AIV WP:RFPP WP:ANI et. al. . This would be a forum for those who sincerely believe they can help Wikipedia further with admin tools to discuss, and to mentor each other, hopefully with the input of a number of admins, and editors who do not wish adminship as well. I also feel this may well discourage those who edit only for the end goal of adminship - something that I am firmly against. As stated, this is a work in progress - merely a floating of an idea at the moment, which I hope to begin soon. However other input before we begin is particularly welcome.

Excellent thoughts Pedro. Plonk-free I presume :-). I would be honored to be an "admin mentor" under this system. Let me know if/when you have a system running that could further enhance admin coaching/adoption, et al. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting proposal. I'm not sure if I'll submit myself for mentorship, given that you already are my admin mentor, and..well..the coaching hurt my last RfA. I'll surely offer helpful comments though. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed Wisdom. I believe "caoching" has a pejorative effect at RfA in the current climate - something I'm keen to move away from. To spend effort working with a candidate only to see it come to nothing because of issues with the process (or indeed just the name of the process) means it's time to change that process. The end goal is still the same - cpabale candidates requesting admin tools and receiving them. Pedro :  Chat  21:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Having received the benefit of your -- well, let's call it "oversight" -- in what I perceive to be the fashion outlined above, where I was not taught how to be an admin but how to be a GOOD admin -- if there's something I can do to help, let me know. I'm not saying I'm a good admin, but I'm better than I would have been without your oversight, and I'm betting others would be too. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice idea. I've found that, as someone currently being coached by you, I rarely have enough to talk about on a regular basis, you may have noticed ;) so in that sense I think it's a better idea to have a place where I could regularly go for feedback, not just from one person but from many, perhaps. Regards, CycloneNimrod^Talk? 21:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Well done for grasping the nettle and addressing the issue that many, including me, have been critical of in the past; coaching to pass RfA vs. coaching to be a good admin. I hope it goes well. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I still feel strongly that a lot of the disdain stems from the name itself, which is misleading. It more or less reads "Coaching for Requests for Administrator". Mentoring is just a tempering of what many consider to be a misnomer, a misnomer that has given candidates a heap of trouble lately. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 07:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I'm also particularly keen, as noted for example by Malleus, to move well away from "coaching for RfA" as opposed to the actuall task of being an administrator. I need to do some work on how this works with Wikipedia:Admin coaching, WP:ER and WP:ADOPT. My initial thoughts are - adoption is for much newer editors, and unrelated. Editor Review is a one-off hit - I really don't want the proposed page to be a one off review - more an ongoing thing. And Admin coaching as it stands seems to be okay for those who want it - there are no doubt editors who prefer one-on-one coaching, and no doubt editors/admins who prefer to coach in that environment. I was thinking about making this quite clear at the top of the page e.g;

• "If you're here for one-on-one coaching please see Wikipedia:Admin coaching"
• "If you are here for a review of your edits please see WP:ER"
• "If you have no intention or desire to become an administrator please feel free to assist others on this page if you can. However please do not list yourself as requiring mentoring. If you have a query or concern that you need input on from another editor see the box at the top of WP:HELPDESK. If you require specific administrative action please see the box at the the top of WP:ANI" althought that's crap phrasing, but I hope you see where I'm going
• "Please note this is a mentoring process for established editors to help prepare them for the duties and expectations of an administrator role. It is explicitly not a coaching programme to pass RfA"

I've also got some concerns that I don't want this to become a clique. And I've got some thoughts on how many participants at one time (e.g. 20 odd editors receiving mentoring is going to become unweildy - however I do not want a load of bureaucracy surrounding this process) I think editors asking for mentorship must be made aware participation is no guarantee whatsoever of a nomination or even a support at RFA. Initial ideas, but I've slept on this and I believe it will work (not for everybody, but that's fine - we don't do one size fits all). Pedro :  Chat  07:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Kudos. Did you ever ready my essay on coaching? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you give me the link? Pedro :  Chat  10:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Dihydrogen Monoxide/On admin coaching. Started an uber discussion at WT:RFA about a week back. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with both Pedro and DHMO. If it's suggested to all admin hopefuls, and then they are punished at the end for all of the effort, what's the point? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Feedback on the essay, Pedro? (If you have time. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully I can work on creating the page today - apologies that it's not been sooner but RL issues have prevented me from being active over the last couple of days. Pedro :  Chat  06:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• First Draft at User:Pedro/Mentoring. Please discuss on that pages talk page. I'm struggling to convey my above thoughts - that anyone trying to use it to gain adminship for it's own sake are, basically and bluntly, in the wrong place. Please feel free to tinker. Pedro :  Chat  08:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

  As someone whose done ACing because its the only game in town, I like this idea as a positive development. MBisanz ^talk 08:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to congratulate you on your initiative here in starting this off. It deserves serious attention and support (because I think it could become very successful and useful for wikipedia as a whole.) I'd like to contribute as much as I am able.  DDStretch  (talk) 08:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Hopefully it'll work. In my mind I can see lots of good - I can also see some pitfalls so we'll need to work hard to avoid them. Pedro :  Chat  09:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback help

I asked for Rollback because I thought I could roll back all recent edits by a particular user across multiple pages. For example, if UPUser 1.2.3.4 vandalized 5 different articles, once I'd verified all his edits were simple vandalism I could revert them in one fell swoop. I've tried with my own user page and user talk page and can't figure out how to do it: The best I can do is one rollback per article per user. That's great if the user made 5 consecutive edits to an article but much easier than UNDO if he made 1 edit each to 5 different articles. Am I missing something or do I really need to click "rollback" once per article? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. Perhaps a future version will allow admins to "undo all undoable edits by a particular editor between time X and time Y" or "... since time X." I'm not sure I'd trust anyone who couldn't pass an RfA with that kind of power though. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Input (again)

Your input is requested here once more. RC-0722 ^247.5/1 01:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

RC, I'm going to give my input here this time. I've given my "opinion" on that section heading, and I feel that wading in again may just inflame a situation with "here comes the big bad admin" rather than positive debate. There seems to be enough issues with borderline breaches of WP:CIVIL as it is. I still have the page watchlisted. In terms of your input there I am particularly impressed. You're making sound arguments based on procedure and policy, and keeping WP:COOL when others aren't. All power to you for that. As noted, it's watchlisted and if I have to intervene with the janitor cap on I will, but at present I just don't believe I can add real value to the debate beyond my comments a couple of weeks ago. Pedro :  Chat  07:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I've found this article, and it states what I was trying to prove in the first place. BTW, thanks for the input. RC-0722 ^247.5/1 16:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Filll keeps avoiding my request for his sources. Any suggestions? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 00:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be obvious that he's not going to reply with his sources. Is it OK if I go ahead and chage the header? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 20:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Lady Aleena's future

Pedro...Several people have expressed an interest in my next probable nomination for adminship. Messaging people when it happens would look a lot like canvassing, so I would prefer not doing that. If you are interested in it, you could add this to your watchlist. If it is created, you will know, maybe even before I do depending on how often you check your watchlist. If you wish to gush prior to it being officially up, have fun, but only when it happens please. I am in no particular rush. Have a very nice day! :) - LA @ 09:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

The admin that decided that he would remove it didnt give me a chance to explain he just said dont revert articles that have been reverted by admins. I supposedly removed the "citation needed" or fact tag added from pages. Which I wasn't aware of. I think that it is totally unfair that he removed it just for 2 wrong reverts. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I will reply in a moment. RL issues!! Pedro :  Chat  19:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok then Pedro will do. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No I fully understand and don't want to get on the wrong side of the admins. So I take your advice and will re-apply for it in a months time. Can you tell me a bit more about AWB because I am really confused as to what it actually does. No one that I have asked seems to be able to tell me about it. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback

I'm doing my best to absorb it all, e.g. I've tagged my userpage essays. Thank you for taking the time to evaluate my contributions. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 21:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Pedro :  Chat  22:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Here it is

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		I, hereby, award Pedro for his diligent effort on Wikipedia talk:Requests for rollback#Header changes, where proper recommendation of using rollback feature has been addressed. Keep up the good work. NAHID 12:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Now people should be more aware of using this feature.--NAHID 12:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Help me

Hi Pedro sorry to bother you but I have responded to User:Neutral777 request for help. his/her userpage doesnt exist but they have a discussion page. I was wondering as you are an admin if you could take a look at it for me as he is complaining about his username block and the admin's and how they got involved in it when they shouldnt have. It is a complete mess and have given him/her the link to the complaints page but was wondering if you could explain to him from your point of view as an admin. Christopher140691 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Real Quick Question

Should I take this to the Requests for mediation, Requests for comment, or Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? Or all three? RC-0722 ^247.5/1 00:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't take it to a number of places at once - that's fourm shopping and fround upon, as well as diluting input. If you've got problems with a specific editor try Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Otherwise you might need a RFC, but of course if it's overall still content related then the talk page is allways best. Pedro :  Chat  06:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

For the rollback! :) Porterjoh (talk) 10:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You're Welcome. Pedro :  Chat  10:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

AWB Approval

Hi Pedro there is a backlog of requests at the AWB approval page can you take a look at it for me. Im also on the page but the backlog needs clearing. Christopher140691 (talk) 11:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)