Talk:Simeon II of Bulgaria

The official biography at http://www.government.bg/English/PrimeMinister/Biography/ has Simeon return to Bulgaria in 1996. --Palnatoke 18:39, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

He didn't return, he only came on a recognizance mision. Ditto in 1999. It was in 2001 that he came "for good"(?). --Vladko 16:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Debate

I want to ask the person who non-stop erases THE FACT that simeon has never taken part ina debate:why do you do it?IT'S TRUE. anonymous from bulgaria

TO THE GUY WHO ERASES THE THING ABOUT THE DEBATES: If you don't believe call every media in Bulgaria you want!They'll tell you!And why don't you answer when I ask you?Where are you from,North Korea???-Anonymous from BG

Hey,what are you some kind of Idiots?

Page location

I'm wondering - is the current page location appropriate. Two points: 1) generally naming standard is to use the highest title someone attained, even if they cease to hold it. Thus Juliana of the Netherlands was there during her life, not at Princess Juliana of the Netherlands. 2) My understanding was that in Bulgaria, he is normally called "King Simeon" or "the King" in everyday speech. I think this page ought to be at Simeon II of Bulgaria. john k 4 July 2005 15:44 (UTC)

First of all, Simeon is not a king. The title of Bulgarian and Russian monarchs is called "tsar". About the second issue-Simeon is a typical Bulgarian name. Do you know other monarchs from other countries carrying the same name?

Who has written the above anonymous comment?

Anyway, John, I have had nothing to do with this particuar naming decision, but I can understand it from the viewpoint that Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Simeon Sakskoburggotski) is how he recently has wanted to be known. And it is used of him - as a Prime Minister, etc. Very similar case as Michael Ancram. This is also basically because he is alive. (I have no doubt that after his death, he will go to the heading fitting to the kingship... - and possibly also if he himself decides to be known again as former monarch, not as politician, when living.) I am quite ready to give a living person's own wishes some weight.
Personally, I regard that surname as artificial and bad form. I think that as monarch, he should not have a surname, and as politician, he should have made a more elegant choice. But those are my thoughts, and they do not change how he is known, nor how he wants to be known.
Juliana in both roles had clearly been an easy case, as our readers do not generally know that the heading gives signals - a heading Juliana of The Netherlands is an easy place also for someone who wants to find a princess of that name
Actually, thinking of a reader's viewpoint, these conflicts about headings are a bit ridiculous, sort of bureaucratizing that fits to archchamberlain-etiquettemasters, but actually the rules of headings are intended basically to pre-empt conflicts between articles crowding into same place, and to help disambiguate
re anonymous commentator's points, Simeon is basically a biblical name, as usual in Bulgaria as in many other countries. The title difference Tsar - King has no bearing in the heading, as none of those will be written in the heading. Explanation of such belongs to the text of the article, where there is sufficient space to explain both titles. 217.140.193.123 4 July 2005 17:22 (UTC)

As long as he is prime minister the page should be here. Once he leaves office he should be referred to as King of Bulgaria as per standard naming conventions. FearÉIREANNFile:Ireland flag large.png\^(talk) 4 July 2005 21:20 (UTC)

Well, I bet this will happen next week since he is going to get his ass kicked directly to Madrid from where he came!-Bulgarian citizen 5 July 2005 11:13 EET

Actually I think he should be listed as Simeon Sakskoburggotski while he is active as a politician, then revert to Tsar Simeon II of Bulgaria after his death. Adam 05:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The right thing to refer to him is as 'Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha' since he is of German origin and he is not an active monarch. It would be closest to the truth. And it is true that he hasn't participated in debates. Why do you erase it?-Spartan,Bulgaria

Stupid anonymous party-political edits will be reverted. Adam 23:59, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely. We are debating what name to use for him. If you want to mount personalised rants against the former prime minister and king, join a political party or write to newspapers. Don't write them in encyclopædias. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 00:23, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I think I made it clear about the name. Why are you not talking about this then? And why do you think you're competent enough to say that the information is untrue? You can read, for example, an interview with politician Sergei Stanishev of May 18, 2005 in which he comments on the issue.-Spartan, Bulgaria

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Can someone clarify what is going in Bulgaria? Who, today, 1 August, is Prime Minister? Was Stanishev ever sworn in as PM? Has Sakskoburggotski resigned or is he still in office? Adam 07:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Stanishev was sworn as Prime Minister, but the proposed cabinet hadn't yet undergone a vote. The National Union Attack locked away three of their deputies who had voted in favour of Stanishev, and so the cabinet was voted 117 'in favour' and 119 'against'. So, now it's up to the second largest party-NMS II to create a cabinet. As far as Sakskoburggotski is concerned, he de facto remains Prime Minister until a new Cabinet is formed. Generally, that's all.-Spartan, Bulgaria 18:18, 3 August 2005

Can someone explain why Sakskoburggotski has not been a candidate for the National Assembly at either this election or the previous one? Can one be PM of Bulgaria without being elected to the legislature? Adam 12:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Dear Adam, I'm afraid everyone in Bulgaria is asking this question. However, no one has dared to answer it, and, very surprisingly, the media also haven't raised it. Sakskoburggotski also refused to participate in debates, although he was invited by several political leaders. When a journalists asks the members of the party over these issues, they just smile and say "Uh...The time will come" or sth. like that. As of your second question-yes, one can be Prime Minister without having been elected to the parliament. This in order to make it possible for people who are not related to any party to become members of the government. - Deyan from Bulgaria