User talk:Happy-melon

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Opera Project request

Hi. Just wondering whether you can give an estimate of when you might be able to get round to this. Alternatively, can you suggest another bot-owner who could be approached? What with the request having been archived and User:SatyrTN's housebuilding, we seem to have reached an impasse - and what is a WikiProject without an assessment process? (No need to answer that.) Best --GuillaumeTell 17:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Er... it's actually getting there! Depending on how this weekend goes, I might be able to finish it then. I'm afraid SatyrTN has pretty much cornered the market in terms of banner tagging - Betacommand does really massive runs from categories and their subcats, but not (AFAIK) autoassessment. Happy‑melon 20:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update and nice to know that we toilers in an obscure vineyard haven't been forgotten. --GuillaumeTell 21:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, which I couldn't reply to earlier as I've been away (at the opera, where else?). No problem about using {{WikiProject Opera}}. However, please could you give our articles "class=Start", not "class=B"! And could you ignore

• those already tagged FA, GA or FL
• those tagged "class=Stub" if and only if the article contains {{opera-stub}}. If "class=Stub" is there but there's no opera-stub tag in the article, then we'd like "class=Stub" to be replaced by "class=Start".

Hope that's clear. Do you want to do a short test run for me to have a look at? --GuillaumeTell 21:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, which I also couldn't reply to earlier as I've been away watching bears up in the mountains. Anyway as GT has said {{WikiProject Opera}} is fine. --Kleinzach (talk) 05:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

A few comments on your helpful description of the process (which I'll outdent):

• General: a lot of the banners have {{opera}} rather than "Opera" with a capital O - will this mess things up?

If the article uses a stub template, replace {{Opera}} with {{WikiProject Opera|class=Stub}}

• Fine, although many articles with a stub template will already have {{Opera | auto=yes |class=Stub}} (e.g. Talk:Matilde di Shabran) - is that a problem?

If the article appears in the FA list, replace {{Opera}} with {{WikiProject Opera|class=FA}}

• Fine, though we do have a couple of FLs (List of important operas, List of major opera composers) which presumably should have class=FL

*If the article appears in the GA list, replace {{Opera}} with {{WikiProject Opera|class=GA}}

• Fine

If there are other banners on the talk page, which agree on their rating, copy that rating to the new banner

• No thanks, we don't trust other Projects' ratings of operatic subjects, I'm afraid! Treat as below

Otherwise, leave unassessed (replace {{Opera}} with {{WikiProject Opera|class=}})

• Fine. I'll look forward to hearing from you about the initial trial run.
• --GuillaumeTell 16:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

A few things have arisen. First, when we get round to doing assessments we want to leave comments for future action. SatyrTN set up a system for our Wagner project articles in which, if we created a page called Talk:Articlename/Comments then the banner had a link which took you to that page. See, for example, Talk:Die Feen. If no comments page existed then there was no mention of comments within the banner. I believe I mentioned this in my original bot request a few weeks ago. To test this with an article that Melonbot has processed, I set up a dummy Comments page for a little-known opera librettist at Talk:Jules Verne/Comments, but no reference to this has appeared on the banner, not to my surprise. WPBannerMeta doesn't seem to quite cover this, or am I wrong? I notice, by the way that the comments page activation seems to work for {{WikiProject Yorkshire}} - see, for example, Talk:York Museum Gardens. Any thoughts on this?

Also, I see that Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Opera has picked up pages such as Telenor which incorporate Template:OperaBrowser. Is this a problem?

Once the present run has finished, I'm wondering whether it might be possible to go through all the articles in Category:Opera and subcats in order to pick up articles which haven't got the banner on their Talk pages. Any thoughts?

--GuillaumeTell 18:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply - a trawl through the cats would definitely be a good follow-up. On Comments, I'm really not happy with the all-or-nothing option with, in the absence of comments, the banner displaying a note asking editors to add their own comments (which I think is what's been implemented in the Yorkshire Project). Editors can comment on Talk pages; the Comments sub-page is for Assessors to justify their ranking and suggest improvements. It would be great if you could code something up and hang it on |BOTTOM_TEXT= or (definitely better) add it to {{WPBannerMeta}} itself. Thanks for all your help. And, by the way, I'm out of here for two days from about 2pm tomorrow (Sat), so feel free to contact Kleinzach if anything arises between then and c230pm Mon. He's on Japanese time, though! --GuillaumeTell 21:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Any chance of an update on what's happening? The 50-article trial went OK (subject to the correspondence above) and I was sort of expecting that the rest would follow, but the Bot seems to have been spending its time on Discworld, football, etc. --GuillaumeTell 17:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the delay; I've been fairly busy (read "snowed under") with off-wiki things this week, and I've barely had time to get on-wiki at all (not that you'd guess from my contribs :D). Essentially the issue is that I can't really plough on with your tagging until I have full bot approval, and I won't get that until I do the Discworld trial, for which I need a couple of solid hours where I can run the script and just sit and watch what's running across my screen and make sure it's not doing something stupid. I will try (and this is, unfortunately, the same sort of "try" as I said last time, so read "will eventually get round to") and do the Discworld run this weekend, from which we can press forward. Again, I'm really sorry for keeping you hanging around: the bot-operating community hasn't exactly earnt five stars for service on this particular request! But I'm sure you'll understand, we all do (regrettably :D) have things to do in the Real World :-(... Happy‑melon 21:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

To something useful for you with the ten minutes I've got now, I've added a note to {{WikiProject Opera}} to display a link to a comments subpage if one exists. As you can see, it's fairly simple and basic - do change the wording if you think it could be improved. Happy‑melon 21:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Hello, you might remember me as I asked you to help me with a template back at Christmas. Could you be so kind as to help me again and do a bit of copyedit on Highlander: The Series (season 1) ? This list is currently a FLC and Scorpion0422 said the episode summaries need polishing. I did my best on them, but I'm not a native English speaker and I'd be really grateful if you cared to have a look. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Help me!

Hello, User:Koalorka is talking very rudely to me and he is insulting Turkishness. Please help me because he hates Turks and he always behaves hateful to me. Please look [1] his message. Thanks! Izmir lee (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

{{SharedIPEDU}}

Hi Happy-melon. I recently noticed that you make some changes to the SharedIPEDU template. It seems these changes removed the RSS feed link, which is present within the other SharedIP/ISP templates. Is it possible you could restore that link, as I'm sure it is quite helpful for the administrators managing those educational IPs. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 23:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the template. ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

a shiny

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For this (which I liked so much I plagiarized it on my main userpage) and this edit summary, which I'm still laughing about. J.delanoygabsadds 02:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Templates WikiProject Dance

I saw the tidying you did at Template:WP Australia and wondered if you could help with Template:WikiProject Dance, it works fairly well but there are some things not working properly such as List does not show up on the banner (see Talk:List of dances). Thanks. Paul foord (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Updating {{WikiProject Dance}} cross posted from User talk:Paul foord - I use |Ballet=yes together with |nested=yes extensively to avoid having to put two seperate templates, {{WikiProject Dance}} and {{WikiProject Ballet}}. Doing so saves screen space and produces a banner giving both WikiProjects' names. — Robert Greer 19:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

not cross posted - There are only a few dozen Wikipedians writing seriously about dance, scarcely two dozen about ballet; for my part I've been kept fully occupied trying not to fall too far behind New York City Ballet to worry about anything else. As you mention |class= is important (I use it often, in place of |nested= with re-direct, disambiguation, list and category pages.) Of the rest, |portal= looks interesting; there is a well-developed Portal:Dance, and Paul foord and I have begun Portal:Ballet, but it's nowhere near ready to announce. When that time comes, we may need seperate |Dance-portal= and |Ballet-portal= tags (the {{WikiProject Dance}} template is purely Paul foord's bailiwick.) — Robert Greer (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Than you for your response. (I have noted this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance. The following would be useful:

• General parameters
  • class
  • importance
  • portal
  • attention (where Ballet=yes can this categorise to category:Ballet articles needing attention or does it need Ballet-attention=yes?)
  • needs-infobox
  • needs-image
  • nested
  • small
  • auto:
• Wikiproject specific parameters
  • Ballet
    • Ballet-importance
    • Ballet-attention (see attention=yes))

Comments are used occasionally

Not in use are (plus any others not above):

• orphan
• maindykdate (last updated in 2006)
• peer-review

-- Paul foord (talk) 02:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I use the shortcut {{WP Dance}} quite regularly. The discussion should probably be continued at Template talk:WikiProject Dance Paul foord (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Betacommand thread

Hello Happy-melon. I reverted your edits to the subpage because it's just too serious to move to there. It needs to be easily available to everyone. I hope you understand. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, it is big, but I think we need to keep discussion here, at least for another 12 hours to give everyone time to comment. We can move it over after a big longer. Sound ok? Ryan Postlethwaite 22:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Pp-meta family templates

Hi, I just undid a few of your edits. Specifically, I undid your edit to {{pp-template}} which simplified its icon-text and undid two consecutive edits to {{pp-meta}} which changed its tooltip text setup. I did this for two reasons: one, I believe that your changes to {{pp-meta}} broke its tooltip functionality as you moved the icon-text setup from the tooltip section of the ImageMap (from the part after the pipe within the page link) to the alt-text section of the imagemap (the part where one would normally place an image caption). This broke the tooltip functionality as I could see it in Safari 3.1.1 for Mac OS 10.4.11; it displayed "Wikipedia:Protection policy#Permanent protection" instead for {{pp-template}}. Secondly, I personally believe that the tooltip text should be as descriptive as possible, even at the expense of being short. This is specifically why I reverted your edit to {{pp-template}}, which turned a very descriptive summary into a mere label. I then made one further edit to that template to improve the descriptiveness by including an additional word, "indefinitely".

I want to emphasize that I don't have any problem with you; this is not an attack on you or your edits and I don't want it to be a dispute but, to be frank, I don't think that those edits improved the templates. I'm open to discussion – it is certainly possible that I'm missing something. Cheers, Nihiltres^{t.l} 19:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I don't bite :D! I was responding to this legitimate criticism of the system, which is that the template with |small=yes is difficult to differentiate for users with colour blindness. My edits added tooltips to the small padlocks to allow differentiation, which do not display in IE7 under the current code. I'm not entirely sure where you say you see the 'broken' tooltip in Safari.

I'm not tremendously fussed how comprehensive the tooltip is; but I think that the current contents of {{icon-text}} for {{pp-template}} (which does not currently display any tooltip at all over the small padlock in IE7) is too long. Given that the padlock links directly to the relevant section of WP:PPOL, why is it necessary to include anything more than "This template is fully protected"?? (I realise that this is more than my version contained; I'm just pointing out the redundancy in the full text). Whatever text is used, however, I would appreciate it if you would restore whichever parts of my edits were responsible for displaying the tooltips over the small padlocks in IE7, which are currently lacking. Happy‑melon 19:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I've re-added the part of your code that added text to the "alt text" or "caption" part of the ImageMap. It provides your text unless overridden by {{{icon-text}}}. That should, I hope, solve the IE7 issue. I'm still skeptical of short wording, but we can always start a larger discussion to see what people think. Nihiltres^{t.l} 20:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :D Happy‑melon 21:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Archiving old FACs

Happy-m, Gimmetrow suggested I ask you about an archiving bot job, because he's say it's similar to what you did with PR. I'm a bit confused on this score, since most of the code is already part of GimmeBot. When you have a chance, can you peek in on the work we're doing at Template talk:ArticleHistory/work#Unarchived FACs in articlehistory? When we first set up articlehistory, we went back and built AH for all WP:FAs and WP:FFAs, but we left a lot {{facfailed}} templates on talk pages (there were thousands, and cleaning up those talk pages would have involved sorting out a lot of GA and PR errors that we just didn't have time to do). Subsequently, other editors have built {{articlehistory}} templates without correctly archiving the FACs, which causes a problem on the pre-load of {{fac}} when editors re-nominate an article (they encounter an old fac, and then mess up the moving and archiving). So, we have to go back and archive failedfacs from articles that already have articlehistory built without having archived the FAC. Then, GimmeBot can continue building articlehistory on the ~ 400 remaining {{facfailed}} templates that are on pages without an ah. Gimmetrow thought you could do the archiving portion. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting

Hi! I'm a major contributor to the article Civil Air Patrol, at FAC now at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Civil_Air_Patrol. I noticed you were listed as an active member on the League of Copyeditors, and there have been some concerns raised over the tone and prose of the article. I'm too close to the text to be able to see the issues in language presented. I wondered if you could help make some major copyedits to the article so that it can be made into Featured Article quality. —  scetoaux (T|C) 19:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your work so far! You're not stopping, I hope! :) —  scetoaux (T|C) 22:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to sleep sometime you know :D Happy‑melon 22:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, time zones and all that. It's dinner (supper?) time here. —  scetoaux (T|C) 22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage and User:Betacommand

Beta requested it ages ago to do something – honestly, I have no idea what that was now. Seeing that he could already edit via his bot account, it really is / was no big deal to add his main account. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I was a bit brief here before as I was running out the door as I was responding. There were several reasons that I added the name, namely, (A) he already had access to AWB, (B) from what I've been told, it's trivial to override the list locally anyway, (C) all it allows for is removing the annoying 'ad,' a bit faster edit rate, and automated edits (which, again he had through the bot account, and I, personally, used to use an automated clicker when I used AWB), (D) it wasn't as though it was marking his edits as 'bot' in RecentChanges or the watchlists, and (E) other accounts on that list are not bots. I hope that clarifies a bit. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

ANI

I think you would be interested in this discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Re: Peter zhou's_Socks, China, and Names of China. Cheers, nat.utoronto 01:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace

huh? -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 15:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason you deleted the talk page associated with Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace? With over 2500 edits to it, we use it quite a bit. --Kralizec! (talk) 15:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

<trout> Yes that was me going far too fast with closing a bulk TfD - I expect that I deleted a template, went to the talk page to G8 it, and went straight to the delete tab without realising it was a redirect... </trout> Happy‑melon 15:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought I was deleting Template talk:3RR5-multi :D Happy‑melon 15:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I know what happened now. All the warning template talk pages redirect here so that we could have centralized discussion. --Kralizec! (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice one :) I was wondering why the deletion log suddenly appeared in my watchlist for some reason. Oh well all's well in the end. ^Khukri 22:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Copy-edit

Hey Happy-melon, I saw you have yourself listed as a copy editor at Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors. Natalee Holloway is up for WP:FA and Karanacs (talk · contribs) asked us to get an independent copy edit before she can support. If you have the time, I'd appreciate any copy editing you can provide. Thanks, - auburnpilot talk 20:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

BAG process

These prior "BAG-coms" Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Approvals_group/Archive_5#BAG_as_.27arbcom_for_bots.27 and Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Approvals_group/Archive_3#Betacommand may be of interest. MBisanz ^talk 21:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I linked to the latter of those threads earlier in the discussion - that's exactly what I want to do - have a sensible, evidence-based discussion and come to a sane conclusion; but (as usual) apathy seems to be taking hold... How do you think it best to proceed? Happy‑melon 21:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I have recused myself from any Betacommand related BAG matters, but I would suggest either contacting another current BAG member and asking them to file the matter, or jointly filing it with another non-BAGer (for credibility purposes), closer to the form of the most recent BAGcom than of the earlier meandering discussion thread. MBisanz ^talk 04:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_classical_composer

With only two options, it's sure hard to strike a good compromise. Looks like you succeeded, though! Thanks for the thoughtful close. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 22:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to second that. I tried the "usual" close on it the last time it was up for TfD and it didn't go so well. Good job! --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I was the nominator here. I wonder if you could clarify your decision on this? Have you left the box open for immediate recreation or have you blocked it to some degree? As the last closing admin wrote at the foot of the TFd: "To the closing admin - Whatever you decide, please try to make this a final decision somehow. 4 TfD votes is enough." --Kleinzach 02:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the idea is discuss first, then possibly recreate (or better yet, just restore) if the discussion supports it. It's not salted, but if one were to recreate it without prior discussion that would be strong grounds for prompt deletion. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 05:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It only takes three minutes to recreate an infobox. To delete it takes 15 people, 8 days, and two and a half thousand words of discussion. I don't think I would be prepared to go through that again. The whole thing could just go on ad infinitum. --Kleinzach 07:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

XDanielx sums it up extremely well: as long as you're happy to have a fresh (and hopefully better organised :D) discussion about whether or not it would be a net benefit to the articles to add an appropriate infobox, then any recreations that aren't a result of that discussion are elegible for deletion under WP:CSD#G4 as recreation of appropriately deleted material. Whatever result comes out of that new discussion should overrule any previous consensus, and anyone in that discussion who attempts an argument along the lines of "X many people said Y last time therefore..." should be troutslapped immediately :D. Happy‑melon 09:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo

Please be quick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.102.27 (talk) 18:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't like to repeat myself.