User talk:Prima Facist

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Prima Facist (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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I believe Gwen's block was premature as the discussion on AN/I was leaning more towards a rename and a temporary/permanent ban from RfAs. I still intend to do a lot of article work from this account and believe that Gwen acted out of place with her block.

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Editing

Figuring out where to edit depends, really, on what you like to do. I would recommend taking a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and navigating to a WikiProject about a topic you enjoy. For example, I'm a member of several WikiProjects, such as Nintendo WikiProject, National Football League WikiProject, Pokémon WikiProject, and WikiProject Disney, among others. Each of the WikiProjects have lists of articles that fall within their scope. That way you could edit articles that interest you. If you have trouble finding a suitable WikiProject, just let me know some topics that you find interesting and I'll provide the links to the correlating projects. Useight (talk) 16:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

ANI thread

There has been an ANI thread started regarding you, found here. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Other account

Could you please name your other account? Gwen Gale (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather not, if it's all the same to you. Prima Facist 15:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The policy on multiple accounts rather strongly deprecates having additional accounts, more so when they aren't disclosed (linked between each other). Why don't you want to disclose your other account? Gwen Gale (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

"A sock puppet is an alternative account used deceptively. Some examples that clearly violate this policy would be using two usernames to vote more than once in a poll, or to circumvent other Wikipedia policies." I am not using this account decptively, merely as a legitimate alternate account. For my own reasons, I do not wish to link the accounts and that's what it comes down to. Make of that what you will. Prima Facist 15:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you can both decline to link the accounts and decline to disclose the reason. The policy clearly says you should disclose your primary account: Alternative accounts have legitimate uses. For example, prominent users might create a new account to experience how the community functions for new users. Tag alternative accounts with {{Alternative account}} Gwen Gale (talk) 15:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Creating a new account with the express and admitted intent of harassing and mocking another individual is pretty deceptive. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 15:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, "prominent users might create a new account to experience how the community functions for new users" - how would that work with a great whiacking "I'm not new" template on their user page? I expect that in the future things will be made clear wrt to the owner of this account. Martinp23 15:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't see how such an account would wind up being talked about on ANI the way this one has, but either way, the policy clearly says, tag the alternate account. There are surely lots of undisclosed, IAR, helpful sockpuppet accounts lurking about, but I'd think any kind of disruption would cause a need for disclosure (or quiet block) according to policy. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

What Martin said. Also, Gwen, I can choose not to disclose the reasons for a seperate account if I so wish. At least I let you know it was an alternate account, instead of pretending it wasn't and trying to decieve you. Prima Facist 15:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that's what the policy says, but I also think AGF can skirt a by-the-letter take on that. However, if a consensus emerges that this account has been used to make disruptive edits, I'd say there's no way to get by either disclosing the account or not using it at all. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You've been here 3 years eh?

THWACK. Creating this account was dumb. It was created solely to protect your other account, which is probably a good account, and you are probably a good editor if not an admin. I strongly recommend that you "retire" this account, go back to your other, and on your merry way like this never happened. If you want a secondary account, fine. don't tell anyone, and don't create one with the purpose of harassing another user. This was a really stupid idea, it's disruptive whether you say it is or not, and you need to understand that anything that comes from this account will not be taken seriously. If you've been here 3 years, you already know that though. Ask yourself why you created this. It was simply to avoid scrutiny/tarnishing your main account. It didn't work. It's being scrutinized. Strongly recommend you retire it. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I love the way you're telling me why I created this account. Are you me? Should I post to AN/I to let them know that you appear to be my alternate, since you clrealy know my motives behind everything? Prima Facist 16:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You told everyone why you created it. All I said is that it was a stupid idea. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Please point me to the diff where I said "It was created solely to protect your other account". Prima Facist 17:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Diff schmiff. I'm not an idiot and neither are you. At ANI you said it was created to negate Kmweber's !votes at RfA. You named the account as a play on prima facie and fascist. You've stated that you'll use the account for other things. Whatever. Can you honestly say that the purpose of starting this account wasn't so that you could vote at RfA without drawing attention to your longstanding account? As my Brit friends say, bollox. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Communism

I like what Frank Zappa once said: "Communism doesn't work, because people like to own stuff." Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 17:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

I have indef blocked this account from editing for straying from the policy on multiple user accounts. The more I've heard about this, the more worries it has brought to mind. Voting in RfAs with an alternate account skirts responsibility and trust. Moreover, without disclosure of your main account, there is no way to know if you have been using this one to get by any past blocks, bans, topical bans or other sanctions. If you do have a helpful reason to IAR and open another alternate account, please learn from this experience: Don't use it to vote in RfAs on editors with which your other account has been involved and don't do anything which might stir up scrutiny on ANI. I strongly suggest amnesty (and anonymity) for your main account, since you've been fairly honest about all this. You can appeal this and I will unblock if there is a shred of consensus to do so. All the best to you. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

My other account has not been involved in any disputes or arguments with Kurt. nI simply don't like his personal attacks in RfAs. I am quite happy to disclose my account to you for the purpose of proving I have not used this account to "get by any past blocks, bans, topical bans or other sanctions." on the condition that you don not pass on the username to anyone else. Is this agreeable? Prima Facist 18:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)