Talk:Zahi Hawass

Criticism

Seems to be a POV issue here with a slant towards pro-Hawass thinking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Settersr (talk • contribs)

The information needs to be factual and accurate in accordance with WP:V and WP:NOR. Feel free to include other sourced information. Otherwise, I'm removeing the NPOV tag. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · t 19:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be of service if the issues in question would be pointed out, instead of a generic "uh, you guys just agree with im". I don't see anything particularly biased in the article. I happen to think mr Hawass is an all-in-all cool guy, and I have tremendous respect for his expertise. I can, however, smell bias a mile away. This article is squeaky clean. In my book. --Tirolion 22:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article provides simple fact -- here's who Zahi is. I fail to understand the need to insert criticism. In my view it's like posting an article on Ovaltine, and then offering criticism of it. There's a point where a definition needs to be left alone. That said, for those who insist on seeking out and providing criticism of Dr. Hawass, here's a Chronicle article discusing some criticism of him. Missing from the prior criticism edits was source material. I'm not adding a criticism section back in myself, as frankly, I don't see the point. FeralDruid 21:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

This article has a quote from Dr. Hawass that Egyptians are not Arab, are not Black, but does not give additional information about Mr. Hawass's actual position of the ethnicity of Egyptians. What is his stance? Are Egyptians European? Asian? Where else can the man go? This kind of legalism is not needed in science.

To the comment above: Well, aren't 'Arab' and 'Black' categories which are somewhat arbitrary anyway? Some dozens of peoples are now labeled 'Arab' in modern racial discourse, and the same goes for the term 'Black.' I think Dr.Hawass' point is that neither of these terms is useful. My father is from the Levant, and to most Europeans, he is Black. To some peoples from Asia, he is an Arab. In reality, he is a combination of more than 4 discrete ethnic groups. Political agendas determine who falls into which categories. 172.169.228.87 (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

"Notoriety"

"Notoriety"? Who thinks him notorious, and why? Bastie 06:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

He is considered notorious by a lot of ppl because he appears several times on several programs of the History Channel and sometimes appears in the news when something happens in the Valley of the Kings, etc. Flamarande 18:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoever wrote it probably meant notability. It is a fairly common usage error.--66.153.117.118 23:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The man is a total disaster, looking only to publicise himself. Look at the BBC News short on the discovery of a "new" tomb in the Valley of the Kings (Feb 2006). Who has to have his face in the piece? None other than the useless Hawass, talking complete drivel as usual. Look at him when he is filmed looking at any uncovered mummy. No sterile clothing, nothing to stop the mummy being contaminated by him. His one aim in life is to get on TV to publicise how wonderful he is. A lengend in his own fantasy. --Mysterfyde 12:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Of course, and Howard Carter is a great British hero. Give me a break. His team cut up the mummy of Tutankhamun into various pieces: the arms and legs were detached, the torso cut in half and the head was severed. Hot knives were used to remove it from the golden mask to which it was cemented by resin. A destructive vandal and a common plunderer by modern standards.

I don´t agree with all of the views of Hawas (in particular his view that all ancient Egyptian artifacts should be returned, because the Egyptian people could not live without them - a fact denied by the nearly 200 years they were not in Egypt) and I certainly think that he promotes himself. But you also must look at him and realize that he is also a "political figure" and that he HAS to promote himself to defend his institute and the artifacts. He simply has to appear in such events. At least as far as I know (And I grant that I don´t know very much about him), he doesn´t sell the national artifacts nor takes any bribes to close his eyes to any plunder. Flamarande 15:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I, too, find the man a bit annoying when he appears on Discovery or History Channel. As for his claim regarding the return of artifacts, what does he base it on? I mean, just how "Egyptian" are the modern inhabitants of the country? RJCraig 09:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

They are more Egyptian than any other ppl and live in on the correct location. Flamarande 17:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

"Hot knives were used to remove it from the golden mask to which it was cemented by resin."
That's what the egyptians authorities said and is very unlikely. Carter has waited two years before opening the sarcophagus. Why waiting so long and wasting his work after that ? I think they made the mistake and don't want to admit it. And honestly, Hawas is so arrogant ! The guy think he's Indiana Jones (look at his website...) Parokka 22:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources People!

DO NOT add to the Criticisms section unless you have a source. Angrynight 08:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I should clarify. If the criticism is your own, there are two reasons not to post it. One, it is likely you are not notable enough (See Wikipedia:Notability) that your opinion counts on this encyclopedia. Unless you can warrant your own article, then your criticisms do not count. You may cite criticisms from experts in the field and other relevant people of note. Two, if your are notable enough warrant your own entry in the 'pedia, then it is poor form and disrespectful to edit with a deliberate agenda, while not strictly against wikipedia policies. Angrynight 21:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I have added a criticism

And i will return if it is deleted, you cannot delete valid work just because you like this man. It doesnt violate him it is a statement about his work., and many dont much care for his Hollywood academics.--Halaqah 21:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid your addition doesn't meet Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. I couldn't find any reliable source that connects Mark Christian with Zahi Hawass. The website you cited is your own. The information also constitutes the opinion of a political group. It's poorly written and doesn't add any encyclopedic content to Hawass's biography. Neither does a link to the "racial" controversy article. Read the policy on biography of living persons at the top. I'm deleting it. You may take it to the controversy page, although the sources still have to be reliable. Please, don't edit war over it. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 23:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The site isnt my own, how did you arrive at that. I guess you are here to prevent all critisim of this man. I will have to put a tag on this article. NOV. there has been no discussion. Mark Christian doesnt have to know him, he made a valid argument, your opinion is it is poorly written, just like this entire article is poorly written. it is badly format and lacking in information. it doesnt discuss him in any detail, but you say Marks article is poorly written. p.s if you knew anything about the Arabic language you would know halaqah is like saying school, and i guess you speak arabic so how silly does this look.--Halaqah 00:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It not an opinion of a political group it is a critic of his position as a Agent of Europeanized history, which he actually is. By his own words, and his own actions. it even says so in this article Egypt was built by Arabs thats what he says in every tv episode. so i guess no one on earth is allowed to disagree. this default attack to label views you dont understand or agree with as "political" or whatever is the backbone of racism and against plurality. Hawas is a clearly political person, a Arab cultural nationalist.--Halaqah 00:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

As above. And try to be more civil. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 01:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of whether it is you website or not, using that website does not count as a ligit academic source. Just citing a website does not make any point valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.111.93 (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I do not believe the Afrocentric arguement deserves to be in the criticism section. It seems politically biased due to the fact there is absolutley no evidence for it. Do people really believe race is based on what continent your are in? As if it follows man made political boundries? That is like saying the Rocky mountains cease at Canada's border. If there was more critisism than it might be okay but it is too obscure to add here and seems to politically motivated.

Dr. Dr. Dr.

Citing from WP:NAMES:

Academic and professional titles (such as "Doctor" or "Professor") should not be used before the name in the initial sentence or in other uses of the person's name.

Please do without all these "Dr." --Ben ^T/_C 18:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

A reasonable request, I agree. Perhaps you could just go ahead and remove them? Thanks. — Zerida 01:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Corruption

"he doesn´t sell the national artifacts nor takes any bribes" (above). Is that for sure? There are many rumours to the contrary. Only rumours, however. One thing is sure. Returning artifacts disappear mysteriously, with NO INVESTIGATION!--Connection 18:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

You'd better have a good reference for this comment. Markh 16:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Currently, I have no document referece. Yet, according to reliable witnesses, he receives bribes for land-use permits, that is, for the Council of Antiquities Clearance.--Connection (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

What "evidence" did he provide to show that Egyptians and NOT slaves built the Pyramids ? ? ?

If he provided evidence, then it should be listed in the article, however it's not.

The passage is vague and should be removed if it cannot be proved! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.81.13 (talk) 00:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

He wants to copyright pyramids

I think this should be added, no ? link : http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=798166 It shows how much this guy is running after royalties. Parroka 22:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

To add the the previous person's "comment" about slaves building the pyramids, There are known worker's villiages with burial grounds within the area of the Giza Plateau, if the Pharoahs were planning to spend eternity within their respective tombs, why would they want to be within the porximity of mere slaves, It would have been seen as an honor to be buried so near to the final home of the pharoahs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.30.73.239 (talk) 19:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)