Talk:Characters of the Metal Gear series

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SPOILERS!!

Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning on this article, I see some big ones in here.... I just got spoiled as a matter of fact, lol.

Way too many spoilers in here for MGS4. Thankfully I was able to detect them and avoided spoiling myself. Somebody has to either reverse the changes or give notification of spoilers for MGS4. I added a spoiler warning and some fool removed it one minute later. Check the page history.Maxtro (talk) 19:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I only removed the spoiler tag as Wikipedia does not use them. [1]. There is a general content disclaimer here [2]. If you don't want to know the spoilers then I suggest you don't read the pages about the game.

Tresiden (talk) 20:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

There needs to be some notification. I could suspect there to be spoilers on the main MGS4 article, but character bios? Seriously, it has some MAJOR spoilers in it.

24.117.156.235 (talk) 07:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The Patriots

The section on The Patriots is a little bit unclear. In Snake Eater, it's revealed that The Philosophers (from which The Patriots broke away) were formed to rebuild Europe after the war. The article had previously said that the group formed "for unknown reasons" or something like that, but I've updated it a bit. Since The Philosophers don't have a section in the article it's important to be clear in the one spot they're mentioned. Maybe it would be a good idea to mention the fact that The Patriots broke away to steal the treasure pooled by The Philosophers? GameTrailers.com has a great series of videos explaining the plot recently put up that would be a good citation for this confusing (and barely mentioned) backstory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.241.133 (talk) 05:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It might be best to wait for the impending release of Metal Gear Solid 4. The Philosphers and the Patriots are intended to be something of a mystery, and though the groups are mentioned in MGS3, MPO, and MGS2, there is never a complete explanation of exactly what they're all about, and of course, MGS2 ends with a big twist/cliff hanger regarding the Patriots. MGS4 should finally settle all matters regarding the Patriots. In the mean time, very little concrete information is available that I'm aware of, and it would be best to avoid devling into speculation. WtW-Suzaku (talk) 06:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed the bits about what was claimed to be Major Zero, Ocelot, Big Boss, Para-Medic, Sigint and EVA being the patriots. Don't worry about this being a spoiler either, as those are all purely speculative and plus it was wrong when it said Para-Medic was Dr. Clark as Dr. Clark was a dude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.166.43 (talk) 02:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not speculative. Its real spoilers according to the official strategy guide by Piggyback. Dr. Clark's gender was never specified in the JPN version of MGS1 (the translator simply assumed the character was male) Jonny2x4 (talk) 03:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Just want to clear this up but the six founders of the Patriots (Zero, Ocelot, Big Boss, etc.) are not the same people as the twelve members of the Wisemen's Committee. The Wisemen's Committee was the founding group of the Philosophers (as clarified in MGS3) and they were all dead by the time Metal Gear Solid 2 takes place. In fact the only major retcon is the fact the Wisemen's Committee was changed from the leaders of the Patriots (as stated in MGS2) to the founders of the Philosophers (as stated in MGS3). (69.236.72.169 (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC))

Les Enfants Terrible (SPOILERS!)

I just read in the Metal Gear Wiki article on EVA/Big Mama that she was the surrogate mother for Solid Snake, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake during the Les Enfants Terrible Project. Should that be added to this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Najhoant (talk • contribs) 22:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Addition of characters

So now that MGS4 is out, it's time to start adding characters to this list. I'm thinking:

• Psycho Mantis
• DARPA Chief/Sigint
• Solidus Snake
• Major Zero
• Para-Medic

I'd add them all myself, but I'll check what others think. Morgan695 (talk) 05:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

My two cents

Psycho Mantis' appearance in MGS4 was merely a glorified cameo, not unlike the Vulcan Raven toy in MGS2. He's even identified in the game as "Psycho Mantis from MGS1" (its a tribute to his deceased Japanese voice actor, which is why he has very few new lines, since the original Japanese lines are recycled recordings). He's not a major character in MGS4.

Solidus only plays a major role in MGS2 and he's just a corpse/plot device in MGS4. There's no reason to add him and he should remain in the MGS2 list. Likewise for Liquid in MGS1.

I could agree with Zero, but not Sigint and Para-Medic. The DARPA Chief and Sigint were originally portrayed as separate characters (despite popular speculation) and no concrete character connection was made until MGS4. "Dr. Clark" doesn't actually appear in any of the games at all, while Para-Medic only appears in MGS3/MPO.

In summary

• Psycho Mantis - No
• Solidus Snake - No
• Sigint - A weak No
• Para-Medic - A weak No
• Zero - A weak Yes

That's my take on it.Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

New organization

I looked at the Japanese character article and I like their current approach better. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

• Codename Snakes
  • Solid Snake (Old Snake)
  • Big Boss (Naked Snake)
  • Liquid Snake
  • Solidus Snake

• Major characters
  • Hal Emmerich (Otacon)
  • Gray Fox (Frank Jaeger, Null)
  • Raiden (Jack)
  • D.P. Madnar
  • Johnny Sasaki (Akiba)
  • Vamp
  • Psycho Mantis (turns out they used a new guy after all)

• FOXHOUND
  • Roy Campbell
  • McDonnell Miller
  • Meryl Silverburgh
  • Naomi Hunter
  • Mei Ling
  • Nastasha Romanenko
  • Rosemary

• The Patriots
  • Zero
  • EVA
  • Ocelot
  • Sigint/Anderson
  • Para-Medic/Clark

• MG
• MG2
• MGS
• MGS2
• MGS3
• MPO
• MGS4

I would change a couple things here and there, but otherwise I like it. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:20, 15 June 2008 (UTC)