Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword (2nd nomination)

E-Sword (2nd nomination)

This has been AfDed and closed as delete twice (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword (second nomination) in 2006, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword in 2004 (although never deleted)) and has been deleted thrice). It was also bundled as a part of a larger AfD that was closed as "Keep as bundled. I would recommend that individual articles are nominated by themselves, as some may have slipped through the cracks."

The current article is nothing but an ad/how to/feature guide which would not be a problem if it could be improved but there appear to be a lack of non-trivial sources. There are vague claims to notability made at AfD but the article remains sourced almost wholly from its own website. There is no evidence from its history and RS coverage that this article has the potential to be anything encyclopedic. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)}}

• Keep, weakly. A relatively minor case for notability is made out in this article, which cites independent reviews, including one in Publisher's Weekly. Yes, there is a lot of how-to stuff and promotional crowing in the article; that's a case for editing, not deletion. This particular package meets the "heard of it before seeing a Wikipedia article" test, even though I still prefer my old Online Bible for DOS. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Man. It keeps on looking like it will establish notability through independent sources, but keeps on not quite making it. The reference from publisher's weekly only mentions the product in passing as inspiration for another product. All the pocketpc magazine references are merely nominations/finalist, not winners. Remaining sources are self-published, or reviews from organizations that are so specific that reviewing a product merely establishes it's realm, not it's notability. If appropriate sources are uncovered I'll happily change my vote. -Verdatum (talk) 17:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• Keep More copies of this program have been distributed, than have been distributed/sold by any other Bible Study Program. (The number of downloads per year is almost equal to the total number of units sold/distributed by any single competitor, in the entire history of the competitor.) The e-Sword license prohibits distribution within a commercial context, and further mandates that all distribution be gratis. One consequence is that market research reports in the industry omit this program. (Marketshare is measured as a percentage of revenue. If revenue is zero, then market share is zero, regardless of the number of copies distributed/used.) [BTW, this is the third AfD for e-Sword, excluding the two AfDs where it was bundled with other articles.]jonathon (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment I know it's the third, as I said in the nom, This has been AfDed and closed as delete twice (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword (second nomination) in 2006, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword in 2004 (although never deleted)) and has been deleted thrice).. Re your comment: One consequence is that market research reports in the industry omit this program. unfortunately notability needs RS coverage. Number downloaded and or otherwise distributed doesn't necessarily show that. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment/clarification: This article has previously been submitted for AfD on five separate occasions. Three times as an individual article, and twice as part of a bundle. This is the sixth time for it to go down the AfD track.jonathon (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

where's the second bundle? I must have missed that one. I only see one where the outcome was keep, it's been deleted three times as well. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

• Keep"The current article is nothing but an ad/how to/feature guide " I disagree, it does not read like an ad to me at all. This is a significant piece of software with millions of downloads. I don't see the entry as all that substantially different from entries for other significant software (I looked at the 'Microsoft word' entry for example). I don't see a good reason to delete the entry, edit it if you want...