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I removed "That said, it is likely that members of the family continue to feel an obligation to help their relative." because I felt that it was speculation and pointing out the obvious in way that is not appropriate for an encycolpedia article. If the person who is so committed to it was prepared to discuss it we might get further. Just calling it "silly" and restoring it isn't especially productive, I feel. The reason I think it should go is that it's obvious to a fault, and indeed you could add this sentence to any article about more or less any person, like saying it is likely that they eat meals or use the telephone. It is not interesting, has no basis in facts offered in the article, and adds nothing to it. Now suppose you added it back in and said "That said, it is likely that members of the family continue to feel an obligation to help their relative. This article from [name of journal] contains an interview with his brother who said how difficult it is now he can't send money to help, and the family is in crisis becase blah blah etc", yes, that would be interesting. But as it is, I just don't see what it is doing there. It has no cause, effect, or evidence: as it stands, it is just a guess. Make it more than that, make it interesting and useful, and I won't remove it again. [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] (dated November 15, 2002) |
I removed "That said, it is likely that members of the family continue to feel an obligation to help their relative." because I felt that it was speculation and pointing out the obvious in way that is not appropriate for an encycolpedia article. If the person who is so committed to it was prepared to discuss it we might get further. Just calling it "silly" and restoring it isn't especially productive, I feel. The reason I think it should go is that it's obvious to a fault, and indeed you could add this sentence to any article about more or less any person, like saying it is likely that they eat meals or use the telephone. It is not interesting, has no basis in facts offered in the article, and adds nothing to it. Now suppose you added it back in and said "That said, it is likely that members of the family continue to feel an obligation to help their relative. This article from [name of journal] contains an interview with his brother who said how difficult it is now he can't send money to help, and the family is in crisis becase blah blah etc", yes, that would be interesting. But as it is, I just don't see what it is doing there. It has no cause, effect, or evidence: as it stands, it is just a guess. Make it more than that, make it interesting and useful, and I won't remove it again. [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] (dated November 15, 2002) |
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==Removed part about origin of Al Qaeda in first para== |
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I removed the part about the origin of Al-Queda in the first paragraph for several reasons. First not all American supported Afghan guerillas became part of al-Queda - most are part of those lovely private warlord's armies and many members of al-Queda have no connection to the Afghan war or American support. Also Carter was not the only American president who supported them and $40 billion was probably much less than was spent there; and al-Queda was not formed until long after the Afghan war was over. I am not convinced my new wording is the best though. --rmhermen |
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Dated December 7, 2002 by [[User:Rmerhmen]] |
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Removed comment about members of family
I removed "That said, it is likely that members of the family continue to feel an obligation to help their relative." because I felt that it was speculation and pointing out the obvious in way that is not appropriate for an encycolpedia article. If the person who is so committed to it was prepared to discuss it we might get further. Just calling it "silly" and restoring it isn't especially productive, I feel. The reason I think it should go is that it's obvious to a fault, and indeed you could add this sentence to any article about more or less any person, like saying it is likely that they eat meals or use the telephone. It is not interesting, has no basis in facts offered in the article, and adds nothing to it. Now suppose you added it back in and said "That said, it is likely that members of the family continue to feel an obligation to help their relative. This article from [name of journal] contains an interview with his brother who said how difficult it is now he can't send money to help, and the family is in crisis becase blah blah etc", yes, that would be interesting. But as it is, I just don't see what it is doing there. It has no cause, effect, or evidence: as it stands, it is just a guess. Make it more than that, make it interesting and useful, and I won't remove it again. Nevilley (dated November 15, 2002)
Removed part about origin of Al Qaeda in first para
I removed the part about the origin of Al-Queda in the first paragraph for several reasons. First not all American supported Afghan guerillas became part of al-Queda - most are part of those lovely private warlord's armies and many members of al-Queda have no connection to the Afghan war or American support. Also Carter was not the only American president who supported them and $40 billion was probably much less than was spent there; and al-Queda was not formed until long after the Afghan war was over. I am not convinced my new wording is the best though. --rmhermen
Dated December 7, 2002 by User:Rmerhmen