Talk:Philadelphia Eagles

The Frankford Yellowjackets and the Philadelphia Eagles are in fact a continuation of the same franchise. One day after a 13-12 victory over the Chicago Bears at Wrigley Field on October 25, 1931 (which would prove to be the franchise's last road victory over the Bears until 1999), the team suspended operations to due Depression-driven financial difficulties. They did not play at all in 1932, but on July 9, 1933, co-owners Bert Bell and Lud Wray filed new corporation papers at Philadelphia City Hall (which can be viewed on microfilm today at either City Hall or the main branch of the Free Library of Philadelphia - not sure which location they're at now) legally changing the name of the corporate entity to the Philadelphia Eagles. Therefore the Yellowjackets and Eagles are the same team in everything but name.

Well actionally It's largely forgotten today but back in 1940 Art Rooney sold his Pittsburgh franchise to Alexis Thompson who wanted to move the team to Boston. Then Rooney bought a half interest in Bert Bell's Philadelphia Eagles. The league wouldn't let Thompson go to Massachsetts and Rooney didn't really want to leave Pittsburgh. So Bell-Rooney and Thompson switched franchised territories. Bert and Art brought the Eagles to Pittsburgh and renamed them the "Steelers." Meanwhile, Thompson took the Steelers to Philadelphia and renamed them "Eagles." Most of the former Philadelphia players wound up in Pittsburgh and visa-versa. As late as 1945 the Steelers were officially owned by the Philadelphia Football Club, Inc. Apparently there was some revision the next year when Bell left his partnership with Rooney to become the NFL Commissioner. To all intents and purposes, the Steelers' and Eagles' histories run continuously from 1933 when both teams entered the NFL. But technically it's Pittsburgh (1933-1940) to Philadelphia (1941-on) AND Philadelphia (1933-1940) to Pittsburgh (1941-on). Just about everybody ignores the technically correct descent, and it's probably best that they do. I mean, how convoluted do you want pro football history to be.

So to be constitent the yellowjackets are now the Steelers

The only connection was that Bert Bell and his partners had to pay off some of the Yellow Jackets' unpaid debts. The NFL wasn't going to try to put a team in Philadelphia and get sued for the debts the Yellow Jackets had run up.

I recived this information from the pro football researchers association. Neither the team ( Eagles ) or league considers the two teams the same.

Patriots/Protection Issue

First off, thank you for protecting the page; I did not foresee much good unless someone stepped in and did something.

With regards to the issue itself, most of my logic has already been stated in my edit summaries, which could constitute a pretty good paragraph here; the only replies I have received are "thats nice" [sic] and "rm the soapbox". It seems like a pretty straightforward issue to me, and probably to just about anyone but an Eagles fan. The article states how, to somewhat rephrase it, the Eagles' fans rule and the Patriots' fans drool, which is not even the part that I am actually concerned about. It then goes on to state, in the same thought, how the glorious Eagles have in turn rewarded their fans for the above-mentioned super duper faithfulness by just being so much more darn glorious than everyone else for them, without mentioning the slightly relevant fact that the Patriots, for their part, have in turn gone on to win three (out of the last four) Super Bowls. That is a pretty huge fricking hole. It is also something that no one on the planet but a partisan Eagles fan would take any offense to or be bothered by, and any NFL fan but an Eagles fan would almost certainly find that to be a highly relevant fact. Wikipedia is not the place to try to point out the good and nothing but the good about your favorite teams, and the bad and nothing but the bad about teams that you do not like; that is what fan sites are for, not encyclopedias. If someone wants to stick their fingers in their ears, scream "nah nah, I can't hear you" at the top of their lungs, and delete anything they do not want to hear, they are welcome to start their own website, but I do not believe that Wikipedia should serve as such people's pulpit.

I should mention that I am replacing some of my hardware tomorrow, so I might not be on here for a night or, at most, two. --66.158.232.40 07:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I think that entire paragraph has to go. I don't see how Jeffrey Lurie's motives of buying one team over the other is actually relevant to this section. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • The paragraph does seem out of place in a "Fans" section, and seems to try to covertly say 'look how glorious Eagles fans are compared to others.' Assuming the facts are actually true to start with, I think that an article on the owner himself and his purchases would be the appropriate place for it, if anywhere; this article is about the Eagles, not about their owner, his personal reason for choosing to buy that particular team, nor any previously considered purchases that he did not make. I also think that the beginning of the paragraph would be fine without the ending; the statements at the beginning, of what he bought and did not buy and the reasons and all that, can be seen as just factual stuff, but the latter part of the paragraph (where "latter part" means the last two sentences) just degenerates into blatant, I'm-not-gonna-even-attempt-to-cover-it-up fanboyism, which is what led me to temper it with the other half of the story. So I guess that gives us five options: flat out throw the paragraph away, move the first part to an article about the owner, move the entire paragraph to an article about the owner, leave the paragraph here and just remove the latter part, and leave the paragraph as it currently stands. What do you think? --66.158.232.40 23:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's been a couple days.. Let's give it a try unprotecting the article. Rhobite 23:13, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Improvement drive

National Football League is currently a candidate on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for it if you are interested in contributing.--Fenice 20:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)