Talk:Aladdin (1992 Disney film)

Similarities to the thief and the cobbler

Um, hello, but since there's no where else to put this, I wanted to note that aladdin was not ripped from the other examples on the actual page and here in discussion, but far more from the thief and the cobbler by richard williams. Since I am only an anonymous user, and the edits I made noting this were just removed, I make a motion for someone to note the high amount of similarities between these two films, with the scene in aladdin of abu stealing a ruby from a statue being copied from the thief and the cobbler EXACTLY, agrabah being based entirely on thief's depiction of baghdad as the golden city, and countless characters, such as jafar and genie being based on the vizier character Zig Zag in thief, abu and aladdin being based on the thief and cobbler characters respectively, jasmine being based on princess yum yum, and the sultan being a blatant rip off of king nod. Before anyone says these are unverified and biased claims, try actually finding out about this movie on the wikipedia page and how much disney wished to supress what it itself used as the basis for aladdin. ":Yes this is true, but Wikipedia is not your soapbox. I've taken the section down to one verifiable sentence- even if something is true, it must be neutral and verifiable (ie, all claims must be sourced through reliable sources). Also, EMPHASIZING words or using words like "blatant" is quite a skewed point of view- let the facts speak for themselves. --Wafulz 06:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, you didn't remove enough. It currently says that there is a controversy over the similarities, but the link provided gives no indication of such a controversy. Powers ^T 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello, same person from the first edit again. I apologize if my first edit seemed biased in my word use and all, but my examples are not; if you please, go to google video and download any [even disney's] version of the film for your own viewing. If you can, please try to edit as thorough as possible a comparison on the most similar of characters, designs, and scenes. Now, in a non-emphasized way, I'd like to point out a few:

1. I stand behind the abu stealing ruby from an idol/thief stealing ruby from an idol parallelism; the way abu greedily looks at the asian idol's ruby with a reflection in his eyes is almost identical to the thief greedily eying the buddha's ruby, and both robberies result in general disorder. 2. It is the most obvious and certifiable point with many disney animators that you wrote that zig-zag the grand vizier's design and character influenced jafar and the genie, but would it perhaps be elaborated upon? I'll leave that discretion to the registered users. 3. I apologize for any bias in this point, but why was the fact that disney acquisitioned the movie through miramax just to discredit it and make it seem like a rip-off of aladdin not included? I believe, if the miramax version is watched from google video, you can see how animation and dialoge was edited, hastily completed, and references to aladdin introduced in the story. 4. And, just a final point, could there please be an inclusion of how many animators who worked on thief and the cobbler left during the long production time and went to disney, and that the work print was shown repeatedly at the disney warner bros. and multiple other animation studios; I can not verify these events, but they seem highly likely, and would better explain how the disney animators were able to re-use the designs and animation. Thank you once again! Oh, and here is an actual link to all the google video links for the thief and the cobbler videos for verification of comparisons:http://www.ctufilms.com/cobbler/index.htm

Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Your theories and comparisons are not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia unless they are available from a reliable source. Powers ^T 02:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, excuse me, but I know many of the similarities aren't easily verified, but it must be considered what this movie has been through and the obscurity created by it's minimization. And I looked at the page, and wouldn't the movie itself be a verifiable source? You can look at Wikipedia's Thief and the Cobbler page for examples others found, and the link I provided to all the versions of the movie so it could be included for others to view at thier own discretion to notice the similarities. Would it help if I put a statement to generalize it, like "it can be ascertained" or such? The reason I do not have verifiable evidence is because, once again, I am not a registered user. All I am trying to accomplish is a fair and informative comparison to introduce the similarities between these two great films and to bring to light The Thief and the Cobbler, a film I can honestly and without bias say has been very maltreated by any involved, not just disney.

From the WP:V- the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth. Being a registered user has nothing to do with finding verifiable sources. However, I'm fairly confident more sources on the comparison are out there somewhere- it just might take a little bit of digging.

Within the article itself, you may not add your own conclusions- this amounts to original research, which is prohibited pretty strongly. Using phrases like "it can be ascertained" is called using weasel words (pardon the pejorativeness, it's just a name), which is basically the same as original research.

As for using the movie itself as a source- you cannot do this to reach new conclusions. These conclusions (which include comparisons) must have been made somewhere else by a reliable source (something with an editorial process). --Wafulz 03:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well said, Wafulz. I would also like to ask our correspondent to please sign his talk posts with four tildes (~~~~). Powers ^T 23:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Sorry everyone, I'm judt trying to put out some info. I'll try not to do that again. :)65.9.68.67 01:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if you provide sources, you can add it in again. I'm not trying to discourage contribution- I'm trying to encourage proper citations. --Wafulz 04:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

oh; then could i add back in that miramax's release specifically made thief look like a copy of aladdin?74.225.17.62 02:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Beginning edited for home release?

I've been under the impresssion since it came out that the beginning of the move was slightly altered from the movie (I saw it in the theatre) - While I'll admit it's been a while, the movie began with Aladin swiping the bread. The VHS begins after he's already stolen it. A difference like two seconds, but it stuck out to me. xC0000005

Unfortunatly, there was also a movie called Aladdin in 1986, and there are IMDB listings for movies called Aladdin in 1923, 1936, and 1953 (although it classes all of these as shorts). While the last 3 have no claim to the namespace Aladdin (movie) being both very old with sketchy details available and shorts, the 1986 italian film does. i'm just noting this, and may come back and throw down a page for the italian release (imdb entry [here]), at which point i'll move thise page and disambiguate as needed. Crackshoe 23:14, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Upon his escape, he hands Jafar the lamp and Jafar decides to give him his "eternal reward" by sealing him inside the cave.

I always thought that Jafar was planing to kill Aladdin and that was only a lucky accident he only got sealed in the cave instead.

Death would be the normal logical result of being sealed in a cave; Abu snaring the lamp was the lucky incident that allowed Aladdin to escape alive. Autiger 03:32, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Jafar was preparing to strike Aladdin with a knife or dagger, when Abu bit his arm. That caused him to lose his grip on Aladdin. Jafar's intent was to kill Aladdin outright, it was only Abu's biting that allowed Aladdin to survive long enough to fall into the cave. MrItty 14:51, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article title.

This article should be at Aladdin (1992 movie), not Disney's Aladdin. Disney's Aladdin is not the name of this film. --FuriousFreddy 11:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Delete the year, "1992" in the article title.

Male chauvinism in a Disney movie

• Jafar says to Jasmine that silence is a "fine quality in a wife" when speaking to her after the song "A Whole New World". He later calls her "my dear" (an appelative) but is about to punch her in the face seconds later. This is a example of implied male chauvinism in a Disney movie.

• Villains have to be villainous. --Kufat 20:54, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

"Wishing Lines" Trivia Entry

The "Wishing Lines" entry in the Trivia section makes very little sense to me. Can someone clean it up?

Disney Renaissance Era?

I'm sorry, but the line: "It was released at the peak strech of the Disney renaissance era beginning with The Little Mermaid and ending with The Lion King," seems a bit opinionated to me, and anyway, this period certainly must stretch over a much longer period, through all of Disney/Alan Menkin collaborations, and perhaps even until Tarzan? Perhaps this line would be too opinion-based no matter how worded and should be eliminated... thing

Controversy

I heard the audio file and it clearly but quickly says "Good Teenagers, take off your clothes" --66.218.17.117 03:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I just saw the film again and Aladdin himself wears a turban as the prince, so the line about only bald people wearing turbans is wrong. I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean anyway -- --194.97.161.97 16:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

To tell the truth, Abu does NOT say the word, "shit" at all. This is NOT a teenage film, it's a family feature film. --PJ Pete

See "take off your clothes" section at the bottom of this talk page.

Genie Voice

Who voices the Genie? In the voice cast section it has dan castellaneta or something but earlier it says robin williams.Randomkeys 03:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It's Robin Williams; I'm not sure why people (mostly without accounts) have been changing it to Dan Castellaneta (who voiced the Genie in the second movie) Schnauf 04:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

While I haven't seen the whole movie, I carefully studied the portion containing the "Friend Like Me" song, and no one but Robin Williams could have voiced the exact inflections used. Jon 00:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Robin Williams lawsuit

Wasn't there some sort of controversy about Robin Williams suing Disney for using his voice without permission? I don't remember very well but I think that should be mentioned.216.90.56.122 19:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Some quick provisos...

When the Genie tells Aladdin there are limits to his wishes, he turns into a grey-haired man (and again when Jafar wishes for Jasmine to fall in love with him). Is this supposed to be anyone in particular? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.209.6.41 (talk • contribs) .

William F. Buckley PacificBoy 17:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Robin Williams dispute

More info on the RW dispute somewhere would be interesting. Perhaps the Genie article? The Aladdin 3 article mentions it has something to do with Disney using his likeness to promote this movie but other then that there is little info on wikipedia. Of course, there may not be that much clear info on what it was about anyway Nil Einne 04:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Broadway musical

Does anyone know if Aladdin will be made into a Broadway musical at some point?--Stardust6000 00:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

If there are any plans at the moment, they haven't been announced. The current Disney Theatrical line-up only has Mary Poppins and The Little Mermaid.--Annie D 05:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply. I think that I may have found some info on the subject. According to this link, though I don't know if it is a reliable source, the DCA Aladdin show will be closing, and they are now revamping the show and moving it to Broadway. Regardless of whether or not the source is reliable we'll find out eventually when the Aladdin Broadway musical will become a reality. Here is the source.[1]--Stardust6000 21:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposal to create page for "Friend Like Me"

IMHO, Songs in movies & musicals, even those that are original to that movie (like in this case), have the own live and therefore belong in their articles. (As to why I'm mentioning it here, that pharse currently redirects to this page.) Thanks. Jon 00:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Titles in different languages

Is this section really necessary? I don't really see it adding any value to the article other than a list of trivial information. --Wafulz 22:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright if nobody gives any reason for keeping the section I'll probably just remove it. --Wafulz 22:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd check with Wikipedia:WikiProject Films; they might have a guideline on film titles in other languages. Powers ^T 15:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Goofs and Fair Use

I removed all of the goofs because they are not important. They are simply too trivial to be mentioned. On a separate note, all of the images need fair use rationales. They do have licensing info, but they lack the detailed, necessary rationales. In the licensing box it states, "To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Image description page, as well as the source of the work and copyright information." Please see Wikipedia:Fair use for more information. Check out these examples of fair use for screenshots: here, here, and here.--Supernumerary 02:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Carebears

Watch carebares adventures in wonderland! Aladdin riped it off! villain and all. HarveyDanger 06:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I've had that movie on video since I was a kid. Have to say I don't agree with you, Aladdin has never pretended to have more than a generic storyline. -- Annie D 09:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Story wise it didn’t rip it off. Visually and musically that’s another story. Watch it again, you will see. HarveyDanger 05:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

dragon trivia

"During "You Ain't Never Had a Friend Like Me," the dragon that Genie turns into is similar to Puff The Magic Dragon."

Puff the Magic Dragon is not a previous Disney character. Perhaps the writer means Disney's Reluctant Dragon? Otherwise this item doesn't fit in a section about references to previous Disney productions. Or possibly Elliot the dragon from Pete's Dragon.

Rajah Voice actor

According to the Aladdin: Special Edition DVD, when I watched the movie where Aladdin and Abu are at the "Ends of the earth", the facts, which were included while watching the movie, said that Frank Welker voiced the Tiger God, Abu and Rajah. So, Rajah's voice was not Russi Taylor. Sjones23 01:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Jafar voice actor

Kathy Zelinski was not a voice actor for Jafar in snake or old beggar form. She was the animator.

Sonni-chan 13:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Sonni-chan

major plot hole

I know that this is an animated cartoon for kids, and it should be forgiven for plotholes, but there was one that had me scratching my head even even when I first saw it when I was nine: Jasmine was clearly convinced that Aladdin was dead (she ran away crying when Jafar told her he had been beheaded for kidnapping her) but later, after "A whole new world" when she figures out that Prince Ali and "the boy from the market" are one and the same, she is unsuprised to see him alive and well. This is not a trivial inconsistency, THIS IS A MAJOR PLOT HOLE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.231.70 (talk) 23:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Good article comment

With a quick glance over the article, none of the images have fair use rationales. Look to other film GA/FAs for examples of what to include. If they are not added, someone may quick-fail the article. Also, inline citations go directly after punctuation, there should be no spaces in between or something like: .[1]. Make sure to fix these and I don't think there shouldn't be too many problems with getting the GA to pass. --Nehrams2020 20:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Agrabah

In some tellings of the Aladdin story, the city is Baghdad. however, given the close proximity of the release to the First Gulf War, it might have been deliberately changed to Agrabah (kind of similar), a fictional name, so as to be less controversial. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.117.162.35 (talk) 16:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I already thought of that, and since User:Thedemonhog mentioned in the WP:FILM peer review... Aladdin (film) redirects to this page, and the only other movie called Aladdin is that Golden Films one, that was also released in 1992, isn't very known and is already cited with an Otheruses in this article. So, I support moving Aladdin (1992 film) to Aladdin (film_igordebraga ≠ 16:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

There are, however, many different films about Aladdin, dating back to the silents. As long as we must dab, include the date: it's five characters with the space, harmless, and avoids confusion. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

IMDb only lists one feature film called Aladdin - and that's this one. All the others are either TV movies, short films, direct to video, etc. Using the date to disambiguate in this case doesn't avoid confusion, it creates it; as igordebraga has already explained, the other Aladdin was also released in 1992, so Aladdin (1992 film) could refer to either. They're both animated, and they're both US productions too, those those can't be added to disambiguate them. Crazysuit 00:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is Aladdin (disambiguation) confusing? Also, why are the older films not listed? Vegaswikian 22:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The older films do not have articles, and thus we cannot link to them, so there is little point in mentioning them. --thedemonhog talk contributions 03:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Aladdin (1992 film) to Aladdin (film) as the result of a move request.. As noted above, adding 1992 does not serve as useful disambiguation, since the other film of the same name was also released in 1992. This ic clearly the most well known of all films called Aladdin and, as long as Aladdin (film) is not a disambiguation page (which is not needed because there are only two article so far), this article should be there. --Stemonitis 17:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

1001 nights

Shouldn't some sort of reference be made to where the original material comes from and how much the Disney version differs from the original? For example the actual Aladdin is supposed to be set in a Muslim Chinese city. Nokhodi 03:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Aladdin, the genie and the lamp are from the original Aladdin story. Less well known is that the magic carpet and, arguably, the Sultan, the Cave of Wonders and Jafar (Shabbar the Jinn) are from PRINCE AHMAD AND THE FAIRY PERI-BANU, the 644th-677th night of THE BOOK OF ONE THOUSAND AND ONE NIGHTS. [2] Could this be added to CULTURAL REFERENCES? Not sure where else to put it. Martin Blythe 00:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

1991 Video Re-release of Aladdin

My mom and dad recorded 1991 VHS Re-Release of Aladdin. First, they did recorded Red FBI Screens/1986 WDHV logo/Disney Classics logo bumper without music/Jungle Book preview/1991 FP logo/1989 Walt Disney Classics logo with Mickey/1990 Walt Disney Pictures logo. And Finally, they did recorded a whole thing of 1992 Disney movie.

Fair-Use images in characters table

I've removed all of the fair-use images from the table in the characters section. As per the fair-use criteria and Non-free content criteria, copyrighted material can't be in lists, tables, or galleries. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page, or discuss the matter further at the WP:FUC talk page. Also, now that the images are gone, someone may want to turn the section into bullet points rather than a table with only one column. Drewcifer 23:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Film and original tale differences

The section about the differences between the film and the original tale is completely wrong in some cases. For example, it refers to the evil magician as Jafar and the princess as Jasmine, while these characters were called that only in the film. - Don golgi 21:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The Thief of Bagdad

I added the reference to The Thief of Bagdad, as Aladdin borrows heavily (and I mean heavily) from that particular movie. Wedineinheck 09:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

"Teenagers, take off your clothes!" ...Again

Some years ago my sister heard a rumor that there's a scene in Aladdin where someone says "Take off your clothes." or words to that effect, so we cued up a VHS copy to the balcony scene and listened carefully. We both clearly heard "Teenagers, take off your clothes!" (The "Good" part sounded like separate audio said to the Tiger.) and imagined it was voiced by Robin Williams, though I couldn't be positive it was him. After reading mixed opinions about the scene on the usenet, I decided to give it another listen a week or two later, this time at my sister's apartment on her 13" monaural TV. We both had a hard time hearing it that time and realized that the choice of TV and sound system was crucial to hearing. The first time was on a 27" TV hooked up to large amplified speakers and so it's no wonder the audio was more definable. There are clips of the scene on-line (YouTube and MySpace Video), but exactly what's being said is still not entirely clear from them and Google searches turn up opinions one way or another.

So what I'm wondering is this: Has there ever been any definitive analysis of the sound in question to resolve once and for all what was actually said? I'm talking a thorough analysis of an original Aladdin Laserdisc's audio, done with high end audio software? Something that breaks down the clip, separates and isolates the audio, perhaps slows it down and proves what it or isn't said? Audio analysis has been done with much more prominent sound clips such as recordings of the Kennedy assassination, Neil Armstrong's "giant leap" statement, and the Nixon tapes. Given the excruciating work done by fans to restore things like the original theatrical cut of the Star Wars trilogy, is it all that outrageous to ask if an audio engineer who is also a Disney fan do the same with this clip? 15 years after the film was released, I'd like to know for certain what was said and various on-line VHS captured audio clips and fan speculation have yet to provide me with an answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.113.170 (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The best online resource I know is Snope's article which includes sound clips, but it seems to have mistakes (differences between their own audio and transcript) and the clip origin is unclear (presumably VHS).

My analysis is on a post on IMDB boards too big to copy/paste here, but essentially careful listening on PC with headphones indicates "Come on good tiger, take off and go", with:

• "tiger" possibly confused as "...girl"(with something before) or "ten'ger"("a" being skipped).
• "and" unsure and possibly being "scat,", but not "their" or "your" (sounds too different).
• "go" possibly being "clo..."(cut).

Director's comment track says it is "Come on good tiger, take off, scat, go". I will let others read, listen and decide what to put in Wikipedia. It is all highly subjective, beware of mondegreen.--Musaran (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Abu = Sabu

I had already put that information, but it had apparently been deleted : Abu the monkey is based on Abu the thief, the hero's sidekick, played by Sabu in the 1940 Thief of Bagdad. This is blindingly obvious if you compare the two pictures : besides the names, the two characters share many traits and play basically the same part in the story. Substituting a monkey for a teenage indian boy might be considered as a racial stereotype, but I tend to think that the change was based more on Sabu's (over)acting and character than on his ethnicity. Wedineinheck (talk) 12:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but that's original research.-Wafulz (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Just see the pictures. Anyway, as I don't want to bicker over stupid wikipedia rationales, I found an external reference for that. Wedineinheck (talk) 18:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Robin Williams dispute

I'm thinking the lengthy section about William's dispute with Disney, while relevant, should be shortened down quite a bit. The information is definetly worth moving onto say, the Robin Williams page or the Disney page. Any for this idea? Kokiri kid (talk) 08:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Take off your clothes

Let me find the confirmation, but it says "take off and go". The problem with determining exactly what it says is the power of suggestion though- saying it says one thing and then hearing it changes how you hear it. user: fadethebutcher —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.155.49 (talk) 07:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

He's being stalked by a tiger - a large FELINE. I don't get why everyone hears this "take off your clothes" - everytime I've EVER heard it, I clearly hear "Look, a mouse!". Which makes obvious sense, hoping to distract the cat with it's natural prey, the humor being that Rajah's a bit LARGER than your typical cat. People are so stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.195.252.194 (talk) 14:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)