User talk:Benjiboi

I have been banned,Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive19#A day and a half later unjustly and without due process, IMHO, and will be generally unavailable for other work until I can clear my name. I look forward to returning once this ban has been lifted and will resume my work at that time. If you have any questions or queeries I will do my best to respond.

To avoid wikistress from what I see as homophobia and transphobia on wikipedia I often take breaks.

I will reply on this page unless you request otherwise
Please watch this page if you comment

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“ You are born naked, the rest is drag. ”

—RuPaul

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Contents

Formatting refs

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Note - access date format 2008-06-16

Living Memory LGBT History Timeline from Trans perspective

A possible resource. Transgender Aging Network has launched a project - Living Memory LGBT History Timeline to assist with aging LGBT folks "It is impossible to tell without asking someone precisely which public events shaped their lives, but knowing what was likely reported in newspapers and discussed at dinner parties during a person’s lifetime may help you understand how their worldview was shaped. To offer insight into the concerns, lifestyles, and belief sets of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people who are now 50 and older, the Transgender Aging Network has constructed the following timeline showing how old they would have been when there were critical events or changes in the lives of LGBT people." Starting with the 1920s the events list can be cross-referenced with current GLBT timelines and used as a possible stepping stone to aid Trans projects and awareness. The PDF version is here [3] Html via Google is here [4]

Feminists for Life potential material

LGBT Random Picture

Starting draft page

User:Benjiboi/LGBT image quest for current pile.

LGBT Random Picture for user pages

Use {{Portal:LGBT/Pics}} or alternatively <center>{{Portal:LGBT/Pics}}</center> if you want it centered on userspace.Benjiboi

Transgeneration source

8 page interview Benjiboi 2 other interviews linked on same page. Benjiboi

Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence operation Spanner link

refs date of benefit event Benjiboi

Kellan

Kellan event in 2007[5]Benjiboi

Build stub for Michael A. Gilbert per Transexual article edit request from 89.182.0.102

The term 'cross-dresser' is not exactly defined in the relevant literature. Michael A. Gilbert, professor at the Department of Philosophy, York University, Toronto, and an avowed cross-dresser himself, offers this definition Benjiboi

Sisters controversy section ideas

...because Catholicism and American politics has a vast influence on American culture or history of (discrimination, ?,?) or even the more unique and universal appearance of dress the Sisters ...

Need to find refs of criticism from within LGBT community. Benjiboi

verbiage

James Martin, S.J. the U.S. entertainment industry is of "two minds" about the Catholic Church. He argues that,

On the one hand, film and television producers seem to find Catholicism irresistible. There are a number of reasons for this. First, more than any other Christian denomination, the Catholic Church is supremely visual, and therefore attractive to producers and directors concerned with the visual image. Vestments, monstrances, statues, crucifixes - to say nothing of the symbols of the sacraments - are all things that more "word oriented" Christian denominations have foregone. The Catholic Church, therefore, lends itself perfectly to the visual media of film and television. You can be sure that any movie about the Second Coming or Satan or demonic possession or, for that matter, any sort of irruption of the transcendent into everyday life, will choose the Catholic Church as its venue.Benjiboi

Image:Fruit machine.jpg

Move from commons to WP as not considered free content but fair use. Benjiboi

William A. Donohue

review mass deletions by Mamaljulo (sp?) and restore as appropriate if no one else has. Benjiboi

Media Matters refs all have sources listed, source originals as well. Benjiboi

"Chicken and Bulls" Extortion Scam

See this. Seems worthy of an article but loads of research, possibly userfy and build. Benjiboi

User:Benjiboi/Dykes On Bikes

Compare to current and clean-off what is used already. Benjiboi

Bear (gay slang)

Maybe you can do something with this. I looked at it and tried to figure out how to incorporate it but it was too confusing for me. Of note is that the line is manufactured by American Apparel. ALLSTARecho

Gold mine! I'm digging through a bio right now but we'll deal with that soonly. Benjiboi

Gays and YouTube

• Coalition Building in Advocate.

“ The biggest breakthrough came when gay folks volunteered in droves to help organize and register people for the CNN/YouTube debate held last July at the Citadel in Charleston. "I bet 75% of the people who were manning (the registration) process were members of the community," says Warren Redman-Gress, the current executive director of AFFA. ”

Benjiboi

• Drama, intrigue, and fighting. Now this is reality TV.: Hillary, Mitt, Barack, and a unique cast of others battle it out on the campaign trail By Joanna Weiss, Boston Globe Staff / January 22, 2008.

“ November's CNN/YouTube Republican debate drew 4.5 million viewers, making it the top-rated debate in cable history. ”

• A One-Way Ticket to Disaster DAVE ITZKOFF, New York Times, December 30, 2007.

“ 'We live in a society where there are virtually no repercussions,' said Ms. Min of Us Weekly. The repeat offenders who most often populate our gossip, she said, know full well they can 'get arrested one day, walk a red carpet the next, and still have as many photographers shouting their names and wanting their pictures.'

Still, some celebrity journalists believe that while the explosion of instantaneous news media outlets has made these personalities more accountable for their transgressions, the offenses themselves haven’t necessarily grown more offensive over time.

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Benjiboi

• Internet Sensation From Kentucky WSAZ News Dec 29, 2007, Reporter: Amanda Barren. About Sledd. Benjiboi

James Kilfedder

Closeted homophobe or severely misunderstood?

See also: Peter Tatchell § OutRage.21

• Belfast Telegraph

• this one sums his homosexuality as open secret
• this editorial in ScotsGay - "Nevertheless, Outrage has been far too kind to those gay clerics and MPs like Kilfedder who have used their power to oppress us." (ties in age of consent campaign)

• Kilfedder gets letter etc. Benjiboi

Buttock augmentation

refs and EL's deleted; research and restore article in case of notability strike. Benjiboi

and again here. Benjiboi

Men_who_have_sex_with_men

[6] ref and restore these deletions. Benjiboi

ref help on Swish (slang)

convert Harvards into cite. Benjiboi

Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) new article

here Benjiboi

There's an interview on there somewhere as well. Benjiboi

New Crocker

article. Banjiboi

police raid

I though this existed already. build one. Banjiboi

find new flickr image

Per this. Banjiboi

Harvey Milk

If needed, explanation in shift of how Jones/Temple were seen before/after mardrs and suicide.[7] Banjeboi

Excellent book from a legal perspective covering Jones connection and plenty of trial details.[8] Banjeboi

Overview statements about San Francisco history.[9] Banjeboi

White night ref. [10] Banjeboi

Time 100 biography[11] Banjeboi

Leigh Bowery

Yikes, what a mess. Do a proper read and sort out sections. Banjeboi

• Early life
• Move to London
• Career
  • Club kids, three queens?
  • Fashion designer
  • Club promoter
  • Modeling
  • Minty
• Taboo musical

Also need section, maybe in London part, about lover/roomate. Banjeboi

Gay bathhouse needs refs - rush

needs refs - rush. Banjeboi

work up fair use for photo of Leigh & Trogan

former lovers, roomates, collaborators, etc Banjeboi

Glory hole

possible image here. Banjeboi

Possible ref for transgender history in the Polk

The original queer district: A brief history of the Polk's queer cred by J. PLASTER; August 29, 2007 Bay Guardian]. Banjeboi

Brandon Pereyda

start BLP? Banjeboi

GayNZ.com

format refs. Banjeboi

Massive wikilinking too. Banjeboi

Heteronormativity

convert bibliography to cites and then clean-up all the refs to cite format. Banjeboi

premature archiving of active discussions

Benjiboi, you have archived numerous discussions of the Jesse Helms article from its Talk page which had seen activity within the past few days. Please don't do that. The relevant help page indicates that old discussions should be archived when the talk page becomes too large. In this case, the talk page was not large, and many of the discussions were not old.

Thanks for listening. NCdave (talk) 13:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll admit not being an expert on Helms but I did a clean-up on the entire article - which still needs plenty of work - to sort out some of the larger problems. As I was doing so I used the talk page discussions as a guideline and if whatever subjects seemed to have been resolved then I archived them. The talk page actually was a bit huge, maybe not for you but certainly for others so we should try to clear off old items as needed and with Helms' recent death the article is getting a lot of activity so it doesn't seem to let up anytime soon. My suggestion would be to either be bold and simply fix something in the article if likely uncontroversial or reintroduce the subject of issue on the talk page and see what the current take on it is. Banjeboi 17:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT Project Newsletter highlight?

Would you mind or like to be featured in the newsletter? I had an idea to discuss the wiki-careers of some of the more veteran members of the project. If you agree, please answer the following questions, and only the ones you feel comfortable answering:

1. How long have you been an editor at Wikipedia?
2. What tasks or projects in LGBT do you focus on the most?
3. In what very general area (state or country) are you located?
4. In what decade are you age-wise? 20s, 30s, teens?
5. Do you have a particular triumph here at Wikipedia?
6. Do you have a particular low moment?
7. Why do you spend time at Wikipedia working for the LGBT studies project?
8. What would you like to see it become?

You can answer here or on my talk page. If you're not comfortable answering, that's ok. Just let me know. I'm going to ask Becksguy the same questions, and two more next month and on... --Moni3 (talk) 16:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I want to hold off at the moment since I seem to have so many "admirers". Instead can I suggest we add a bonus tidbit "These are a few of my favorite links ..."? Banjeboi 18:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm an ANI page stalker, thinking the majority of what goes on there is too reminiscent of my mediating arguments over who stole who's pencil in an elementary classroom. However, sometimes I see some freaky stuff, and you present some of it. Reply what you will. I'll try to introduce you as "Benjiboi, who spends most of (gender specific pronoun here) time as a wiki-gnome and vandal fighter in LGBT articles". Would that be accurate? --Moni3 (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Freaky, yes, that about covers it. What's your deadline and how many words/what length works best for you? I was thinking maybe just three of my favorite links but could do more if needed. Banjeboi 18:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

You can see the draft here. I'd like to put you in a topic space and Becksguy in another. I'd like it to be sent out Friday. Is that enough time? Can you state why they are your favorite links? Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My Apologies!

Please realize User: Sir Crimson did not mean to intentionally [[[vandalize]] the article Jesse Helms! From reading his achievements, User:Sir Crimson just assumed the man viewed himself as a Nazi. However, I was wrong, and I thank you kindly for correcting me! Keep fighting for facts! ----- User:Sir Crimson —Preceding comment was added at 22:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, assuming in this case probably wasn't the best idea. Banjeboi 22:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A one-man battle: James Hormel

It looks like you have been fighting a one-man battle to prevent POV-pushing and/or censorship on the James Hormel article. Kudos to you, sir! To save you some work, I went ahead and semi-protected the article. Thanks again for your hard work! --Kralizec! (talk) 01:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Lol. Yes, it's been quite special, hopefully the banned user will move on and regular editing can resume. For what it's worth every article has, in some way or another, improved because of their attention so I'm used to just having to find sourcing to keep valid content preserved. Thank you again! Banjeboi 01:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Am I missing something?

Am I missing something? Was an edit oversighted, or was your blatant vandalism warning for Mrfreakyinastar given because he tried to prod the article? There may have been several things wrong with trying to prod the article at this point, but I don't think it quite worth that level of a warning. --Onorem♠Dil 16:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My apologies but I'm unsure of what warning would have been better. At the time it looked like a sneaky adding of a prod at the end of a long article which has already, and recently, passed AfD. It sure seemed disruptive and blatant at the time and a vandalism warning seemed better than no warning. It also crossed my mind that it may have been a shared account of some sort as this seemed to be a departure from their recent subject areas. Banjeboi 16:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT template

per your comments i reverted the template back into Gay, but tightened up the template some to reduce the space it takes up when transcluded. Pls take a look if you think it needs any adjustments... Template:LGBT Thx, -- User0529 (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I formatted a bit to put the longest/shortest together to further lessen the impact. I don't see a problem with both templates as they are now vastly different. Thank you for your work on this. Banjeboi 00:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:LGBT

add archive and clean. Banjeboi 00:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Banjeboi 12:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you

... for this. Tired now, need sleep, discuss later perhaps. We have a long way to go. Whistling42 (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. We all can do more to be just a bit nicer to each other and non-gender-inferring manners are a step in the right direction. Banjeboi 09:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Arthur C. Clarke

Please be aware that there has been a long campaign by a perma-banned user and his socks to "out" Clarke (when he himself ever openly discussed his sexuality). There's probably a good case for LGBT project interest, but the tags need to be added by someone who is clearly not a sock. Whilst there were allegations of paedophilia, they were discredited, so it's probably best not to go down that route. David Underdown (talk) 10:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. There does seem to be something to it all but as there are dedicated editors there I'm happy to leave them to it. As the article with the interview of him involving paedophilia was printed was there a retraction or lawsuit? It may be good to button that loose end to satisfy future editors' concerns. Banjeboi 10:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Category Revert

I saw your change directly after reading a well thought out comment stating that the Red Sox are homosexual. When I saw that the only change in the article was the addition of the word "queer", it flipped a switch that read it as vandalism. I apologize. --tj9991 (talk) 12:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Please revert yourself then and use a note like "mistook for vandalism" or "ooops" so other editors know what's up. Banjeboi 12:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

no

No - feel free to remove it, if it offends you. --Allemandtando (talk) 12:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks, taken care of. Banjeboi 12:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Gender neutral pronouns

Whistling requested that the discussion be centralized on Whistling's talk page, but since you didn't post there at all, I figured I would reply to you here to make sure you see my reply.

I am sorry, but I must respectfully disagree that standard English includes gender-neutral pronouns for living beings. I know that a large number of compromises have been suggested (Whistling's favorite being "ze/hir"), however, none of these is part of standard English, and I personally find most of them to sound forced, artificial, and in a lot of cases just confusing or hard to say. (For instance, "hir" is a terrible idea because of it's phonetic similarity to "her")

As you may have noticed in my conversation with Whistling, there may come a day when a mainstream publication such as the New York Times chooses to adopt one of these neologisms. If that were to happen, it could enter standard English rather rapidly. However, until something like that happens, it is unreasonable to expect that all Wikipedians will suddenly reject their native language and start using a non-standard extension to it.

I have personally agreed to abide by Whistling's request in that I will not use pronouns at all to refer to Whistling. However, I simply don't think we can expect all Wikipedians to abide by that. My wording in closing the Wikiquette Alert was actually modified from my initial closing, since I felt a little bad for Whistling -- I know Whistling is very hurt by this. I initially basically said that the Alert was crap and people should just ignore it. I then decided that it would be better to say that people should be aware this is what Whistling prefers -- but I don't think anybody can be forced to abide by this. It is not a civility issue. It is a special request, and some editors may choose to abide by it, and some may not.

I really don't feel like I'm the intolerant/close-minded bad guy here. As I said, I have made a personal choice to respect Whistling's wishes. Whistling's gender indentification (or lack thereof) is actually a new experience for me -- I've known people with a very fluid gender identification, and can understand that pretty well, but I've never known anyone with no gender identification. I can't say I entirely understand it, but I can respect it, and I do dearly sympathize with this flaw in the English language, and the isolation that Whistling feels as a result. That is why I will do what I feel that I reasonably can do to abide by Whistling's preference. But I can't force other people to do it, nor, in my opinion, should I. --Jaysweet (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I think your statements are a bit faulty but appreciate you giving consideration to these issues. Although the user probably could have handled this better ... and they may have to adjust their expectations for dealing with perceived gender binary bias ... they do have quite a valid point and this is unlikely the first time the issues have been brought up. Nor is it likely the last. I still encourage you to modify your resolved statement as there were two issues that I felt should be addressed:

1. There are gender-neutral pronouns for living people within the English language, our language adds new words all the time so it is of little surspise that these exist.

2. Whistling42's concerns are basically spot-on. We are careful not to assume someone's religion or sexuality and likewise should develop sensitivity in gender arenas as well. Simply stating something like "editors are encouraged to use gender-neutral language and user names if unsure of a user's gender identity", I think, may benefit all concerned.

Having stated all this I'm happy to remind Whistling42 that it's unlikely these issues will be resolved quickly or universally, on Wikipedia or elsewhere. I find "his or her" a less-than-ideal phrase for exactly the reasons stated - it implies one is either one or the other and no others exist. However that is the current academic phrasing and his been put into use for over two decades. I also don't think it's healthy to expect other editors to learn what your chosen gender identity is and then only use that when referencing oneself. It's a bit tilting at windmills, at least for the moment. [User_talk:Benjiboi|Banjeboi]] 21:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

There are not gender-neutral pronouns in standard English. Just because somebody made them up and some handful of people use them does not mean they are part of the English language. Absolutely our language adds new words all the time, but they are added by entering into frequent usage within published copy-edited texts -- not by somebody just deciding they might be useful. In my experience, dictionaries are more likely to include the clunky and undesirable "irregardless" (a neologism without purpose or meaning, but unfortunately part of the English lexicon since the early 20th century) than they are to contain "ze".

Like I say, maybe this will change in the future. But in 2008, "ze" is not a word in English. People may choose to use it if they wish, and if enough people do it may enter the language in the future. But it hasn't yet. --Jaysweet (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Your resolved statement was that they don't exit, I'm glad you are now at least modifying and qualifying your view. And like every word in the English language they start with a few people using them and go from there. Are they widely recognized? Not yet. Are they a part of the English language, of course. I'm hardly a linguistical or semantics authority so I won't pretend to know what is the test that determines if a word has or hasn't moved up in status but my point was that the words do exist, are a part of the English language and certainly can be used by and for living people. I think the rest we mostly agree on. Banjeboi 17:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

twink

PU from here.

and now from here.

and now from here Banjeboi 23:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Also:

• Google scholar
• Previous AfD may also have some items

Fantastic Easter Special

About 12-15 refs needed to address OR concerns. Banjeboi

GLAAD 2008

File:Comic-GlaadAwards copy.jpg

Odd Days by Aubrey Miranda featuring main character Ace and supporting character Skyler at the 2008 GLAAD Media Awards

As President of Mt. San Antonio College LAMBDA Student Association, I was lucky enough to receive free tickets to the 2008 GLAAD Media Awards. Our VP, Comic artist Aubrey Miranda was also in attendance. Here's what would have happened had I decided to take the plunge. Hope you find it amusing. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol! Yes, I can see Ms. Jackson-if-you're-nasty as being a very dangerous force for the sheer magnetism alone. Perhaps an anti-gravity belt would help? Banjeboi 14:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I startled a few people when I screamed her name. :) The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 10:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol. You must be careful - you could spill a drink thus wasting valuable alcohol! Banjeboi 10:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Woodhull Freedom Foundation & Federation

Please leave the article issues tags in place until the issues have been dealt with. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukexpat (talk • contribs)

Your rather WP:POINTy tag is bordering on violating our policies on civility, IMHO, with six clean-up issues. I respectfully suggest you pick the top two (with a suggestion that referencing be one of them), and leave the rest of the issues until those are resolved. If you are unable or unwilling I will be happy to do so for you. The editors there have made a good-faith effort to address your concerns and I'm not quite seeing the problem in the same light as you are. Banjeboi 03:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

You are not the only one making constructive edits - I have been doing my bit too. The tags are there to alert editors to issues, no more, no less and I have raised valid issues. – ukexpat (talk) 03:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean to suggest you weren't making valid edits. To be more clear, although your concerns may be valid they don't help create a collaborative atmosphere of working with one another. We could all add such a tag to the vast majority of articles because almost all do need improving. But we don't because it makes the article look clunky and our readers don't need a laundry list of issues to read through first. I'm sure there's a policy or guideline but I'd rather you consider what your goal there is? I again suggest picking the top 1 or 2 concerns that will make the biggest beneficial change for the article. Leave a note on the talk page stating "these are the current tags but these are some other issues that do need to be addressed". The article is being worked on and we want to get those who are putting in problem stuff to learn, not be intimidated away. Banjeboi 03:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

OK I guess I don't see the same problem with the tags that you do, but in any event I have reduced them to three. I will start a discussion on the talk page soon. – ukexpat (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that! Banjeboi 10:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Benjiboi - I, as the person who wrote the article, am lost and could seriously use some help (and would welcome such assistance as you would be willing to offer). You're right - it was intimidating and frustrating and, as someone new to doing anything on wiki other than using it as a reference, I was about ready to consider it hopeless. The article may be a conflict of interest, since I am one of the founders and the executive director, but I did try to write it in a way that was honest and "third-partyish". This whole thing began because someone saw our entry, written by someone NOT in Woodhull, and pointed out that there was a serious mis-communication presented on the page.

Anyway, I've added third-party sources, I've third-person'd the article and I hope I've brought it more into the framework of what's needed for a wikipedia article. I had based much of my content on a page that was acceptable here on wikipedia, by the way, that was certainly more of an advertisement and written in the first person than anything I put up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Sexual_Freedom).

So, anyway, any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated! RicciJoy (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)